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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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    #572
    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Pique wrote: »
    Sued for what?
    <speculation>
    Allowing weirdos to hang around in the car park. If there's no public WiFi they have no business there, and can be asked to leave.
    i.e. It's a child safety issue.


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    #573
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    I'm not sure why the BCPs are a thing in the first place, it's mostly for show for the heads of IT at local authorities to pat themselves on the back about how they're promoting entrepreneurship and innovation.


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    #574
    Orebro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Well there does exist a considerable amount of families where they have to drive their kids to the local shopping centre or coffee shop to get internet connectivity for school work - I can see how these hubs if run properly would be a far better proposition for them.


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    #575
    fergus1001
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    Orebro wrote:
    Well there does exist a considerable amount of families where they have to drive their kids to the local shopping centre or coffee shop to get internet connectivity for school work - I can see how these hubs if run properly would be a far better proposition for them.


    I load stuff onto my phone and drive into town to upload right beside the cell tower, it's not uncommon


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    #576
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,820 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    I load stuff onto my phone and drive into town to upload right beside the cell tower, it's not uncommon

    I'd say it's very uncommon tbh.


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    #577
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    listermint wrote: »
    I'd say it's very uncommon tbh.

    I know a fellow who doesn't drink, he would go to the local pub which has 50 mbps wifi with his laptop and buy a cup of coffee and a pint for one or two of the regular alcos just to upload and do is online work. He would be in the pub 3-4 days a week for an hour or two. The pub is the closest place to him to access usable intenret. He has a wisp but it is a waste of time. It is not common but there is examples like this all over the country. The uploading is where you get caught for bandwidth the most.


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    #578
    mp3guy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    theguzman wrote: »
    I know a fellow who doesn't drink, he would go to the local pub which has 50 mbps wifi with his laptop and buy a cup of coffee and a pint for one or two of the regular alcos just to upload and do is online work. He would be in the pub 3-4 days a week for an hour or two. The pub is the closest place to him to access usable intenret. He has a wisp but it is a waste of time. It is not common but there is examples like this all over the country. The uploading is where you get caught for bandwidth the most.

    I'd find the opposite on mobile broadband. No one is using the upload.


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    #579
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,820 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    theguzman wrote: »
    I know a fellow who doesn't drink, he would go to the local pub which has 50 mbps wifi with his laptop and buy a cup of coffee and a pint for one or two of the regular alcos just to upload and do is online work. He would be in the pub 3-4 days a week for an hour or two. The pub is the closest place to him to access usable intenret. He has a wisp but it is a waste of time. It is not common but there is examples like this all over the country. The uploading is where you get caught for bandwidth the most.

    That fella is going to the pub to socialise not for the WiFi. Let's be honest. You don't need to drink to want to chat to regulars.


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    #580
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    listermint wrote: »
    That fella is going to the pub to socialise not for the WiFi. Let's be honest. You don't need to drink to want to chat to regulars.


    If he doesn't otherwise have a proper Internet connection, what should he do?


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    #581
    Orebro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Case in point

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/We-are-not-up-the-side-of-a-mountain-Cork-professionals-forced-to-work-from-church-car-park-blast-poor-internet-provision-2ed3791a-07fc-4477-ac2e-479e11370a5c-ds

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Students-flock-to-church-car-park-in-county-Cork-to-use-wifi-06125b1a-d904-4926-ba75-1f386ac1f868-ds


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    #582
    fergus1001
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    Orebro wrote:
    Case in point


    it was on the virgin media news this evening

    safe to say it is NOT uncommon


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    #583
    mp3guy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    it was on the virgin media news this evening

    safe to say it is NOT uncommon

    Depends how you count it. What percentage of the population? 1 in 50,000?


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    #584
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    mp3guy wrote: »
    Depends how you count it. What percentage of the population? 1 in 50,000?


    That would be only 100 people in the 26 counties. Sure there was a large proportion of that number in Bandon alone.


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    #585
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,820 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    If he doesn't otherwise have a proper Internet connection, what should he do?

    Use his phone like most people in the garden or out the gate...


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    #586
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,820 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    it was on the virgin media news this evening

    safe to say it is NOT uncommon

    I watched the piece. The fella was working from home said he has internet but the capacity with the kids was so so.


    Translated to he wanted to get out of the house time to himself away from the kids he's had around him. Read between the lines.


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    #587
    Orebro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Orebro


    listermint wrote: »
    I watched the piece. The fella was working from home said he has internet but the capacity with the kids was so so.


    Translated to he wanted to get out of the house time to himself away from the kids he's had around him. Read between the lines.

    LOL


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    #588
    fergus1001
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    listermint wrote:
    Translated to he wanted to get out of the house time to himself away from the kids he's had around him. Read between the lines.


    so your saying thank god for ****ty internet so fathers have an excuse to get out of the house ?

    LOL


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    #589
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,820 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    so your saying thank god for ****ty internet so fathers have an excuse to get out of the house ?

    LOL

    Im saying i could see it in the mans eyes :D


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    #590
    heavydawson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Nokia wins big NBI contract:
    https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/06/23/nokia-announced-as-key-supplier-to-irelands-national-broadband-plan-nbp/
    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/06/23/2051738/0/en/Nokia-announced-as-key-supplier-to-Ireland-s-National-Broadband-Plan-NBP.html
    https://telecoms.com/505125/nokia-lands-a-few-much-needed-wins/
    https://www.mobileeurope.co.uk/press-wire/14890-nokia-announces-new-contracts-and-products


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    #591
    The Cush
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    heavydawson wrote: »
    Nokia wins big NBI contract:
    https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/06/23/nokia-announced-as-key-supplier-to-irelands-national-broadband-plan-nbp/
    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/06/23/2051738/0/en/Nokia-announced-as-key-supplier-to-Ireland-s-National-Broadband-Plan-NBP.html
    https://telecoms.com/505125/nokia-lands-a-few-much-needed-wins/
    https://www.mobileeurope.co.uk/press-wire/14890-nokia-announces-new-contracts-and-products

    Not surprising considering that they're part of the NBI consortium.


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    #592
    Victor McDade
    Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Victor McDade


    https://twitter.com/NatBroadbandIrl/status/1275852874598232065


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    #593
    The Cush
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    The Cush wrote: »
    Article in the SBP today on the withdrawal of 78 schools as BCPs by the catholic church over fears it could be sued. They will still be provided with broadband for their own use but not available to the community.

    Also a further 46 host sites have been removed or withdrawn from the scheme. That means a total of 124 sites or 40% have been withdrawn from the original plan. In most cases according to the Dept the removed sites were where the owners decided they no longer wished to participate.

    35 replacement sites have been identified.

    No BCPs are operational yet but the first sites should be up and running within the next 4-6 weeks, most sites should be completed by the end of 2020 with the final sites completed by early 2021.

    Dáil PQ on Broadband Connection Points that the above article in last Sunday's SBP referred to.
    784. Deputy Catherine Murphy asked the Minister for Rural and Community Development if a consolidated list will be provided of the original broadband connection points, BCPs; the sites that have either declined or withdrawn from the plan to roll out BCPs in tabular form; the reason cited for the withdrawal of the premises from the plan; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

    Seán Canney: Minister of State at the Department of Rural and Community Development: The Broadband Connection Point (BCP) initiative is a collaborative effort involving my Department, the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment and the Local Authorities.

    BCPs will be among the first sites connected under the National Broadband Plan (NBP) and will be provided with a wireless high-speed broadband connection which will be available to the public onsite and free of charge. They will be located in rural and isolated areas, including islands off the coasts of Cork, Donegal, Galway, Kerry and Mayo.

    The BCP sites are typically community-owned and managed premises, such as community resource centres. Participation in the initiative is entirely voluntary and each site was initially identified by Local Authority Broadband Officers.

    The identification of sites and engagement with their owners has been an ongoing, iterative process over the last number of years, while awaiting the successful completion of the National Broadband Plan procurement process.

    At the time of the award of the National Broadband Plan contract (November 2019) there were approximately 300 identified sites that had agreed in principle to host public access broadband. However, no contracts or other formal agreements were entered into with the site owners at that stage.

    In the intervening 7 months, a number of sites withdrew from the programme for a variety of reasons, including the permanent closure of premises, the provision of a commercial broadband service to the premises, or the site owner’s decision to no longer participate. In such cases, the BCPs have been, or are being, substituted with alternative sites.

    The majority of BCPs are expected to be connected before the end of 2020, with the rest connected in early 2021. Further information on the BCPs, including a locator map, can be found at https://nbi.ie/broadband-connection-points/.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2020-06-23/784/


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    #594
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    The BCPs are akin to putting some Wi-Fi into the middle of a field and asking people to drive there to be able to connect to usable broadband. How they are a thing that government are allowed to spend money on I will never understand.


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    #595
    Jofspring
    Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    I can kind of see why they would do them but if you had a list of priorities I think they should be way down the list.


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    #596
    ussjtrunks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    What would actually make more sense is to connect the towers feeding imagine, nova , 3 etc with actual fibre to make rural broadband faster. Instead of serving a few people with the bcps you could serve thousands.


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    #597
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    The BCP's are something that should have been done way back in 2013 at the beginning of the process and what use are they now if you will be getting fibre a year later into your house.


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    #598
    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    How they are a thing that government are allowed to spend money on I will never understand.

    They aren't the only thing.
    Not sure if there's a budget for this one, or a contractor, or a build schedule.
    https://twitter.com/DeptRCD/status/1276185390999896064

    from DRCD doc
    The initiative will look to use the existing high-speed broadband connection in five public libraries across five counties (Carlow, Donegal, Kilkenny, Mayo and Waterford), to deploy Microsoft’s cutting-edge Rural Airband technology to enable broadband to be delivered to up to 200 households – roughly 40 per county – which do not have good internet access.
    The initiative will make available connectivity of up to 10Mbps to these households free of charge for a period of up to 24 months, using the existing high-speed connection of five public libraries in five counties.

    Teagasc are running another whitespace project in Ballyhaise but details of the performance are hard to find.


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    #599
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,517 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Department of Rural and Community Development BCP CPE contract awarded to Vodafone

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/06223-ministers-ring-and-canney-award-contract-for-broadband-connection-points-to-vodafone-ireland/
    It is expected that the majority of BCP sites will be connected in 2020, with the potential for additional sites to be connected in early 2021.

    BCPs will each have their own character and focus. Some will support remote working, others will facilitate study and digital skills training and many will act as community access hubs with indoors and outdoors wifi.

    BCPs will be provided with a temporary wireless high-speed broadband connection (150mbps/30mbps) which they will keep for three years, or until they are provided with a permanent high-speed broadband connection under the NBP.

    National Broadband Ireland (NBI) will act as the Wholesale Service Provider (WSP), while Vodafone Ireland will act as the Retail Service Provider (RSP).
    Vodafone Ireland has been awarded the contract to provide services to the broadband hubs being established in rural areas of the country.
    ...

    As part of the newly-awarded contract, Vodafone will install and manage the equipment that the public will connect to.

    Under the plan the hubs will provide wireless broadband connections of up to 150mbps for three years, or until a permanent connection is made available in the area by National Broadband Ireland.

    "Vodafone will work alongside National Broadband Ireland, the Local Authority Broadband Officers and site owners to bring early connectivity to rural areas as soon as possible, having regard to public health guidelines," said Minister for Rural and Community Development Michael Ring.

    "I commend all of the site owners, volunteers and community groups that have come on board to allow this initiative to happen. Many people will benefit as a result of the community spirit shown by all concerned."

    Vodafone Ireland CEO Anne O'Leary said the company was "delighted" to be awarded the conract.

    "The Broadband Connection Points will allow Ireland to continue to build towards a digital society of the future," she said.

    "As we look ahead to a post Covid-19 era, broadband connectivity will ensure that rural Ireland plays a key role in our economic recovery".

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0626/1149885-broadband-hub-vodafone/

    https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/06/26/vodafone-win-broadband-contract-connecting-10-mayo-sites/


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    #600
    westyIrl
    Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    Same story from RTE
    Vodafone to connect public to national broadband hub network

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0626/1149885-broadband-hub-vodafone/

    Jim


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    #601
    mp3guy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    Sounds like Vodafone will be serving up 150mbps of congested bandwidth amongst however many users. That's not going to go far if there's any serious uptake at these centers.


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