Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

thomond2006 · 11-12-2019 4:53pm

3 weeks seems fair enough. Annoying time to lose him as he would likely start against Connacht and possibly Leinster.

Riskymove · 11-12-2019 5:00pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Anyone know the story with the MRSC lottery? Has it been and gone ah this stage? Don't seem to see option of lottery when I log into my account

just got email about the lottery

phog · 11-12-2019 5:01pm

Riskymove wrote: »

just got email about the lottery

I got one too - successful

Riskymove · 11-12-2019 5:19pm

phog wrote: »

I got one too - successful

timely anyway ahead of IRFU sale

Eod100 · 11-12-2019 5:22pm

Riskymove wrote: »

just got email about the lottery

Ah cheers. Must have missed the boat

phog · 12-12-2019 1:46pm

Munster A games

Munster face Leinster at Donnybrook on Friday, December 13 (7.30pm) and face the Ireland U20s on Sunday, December 29 at Irish Independent Park (1pm).

thomond2006 · 12-12-2019 2:46pm

A mixture of senior, Academy and club players have been selected with Academy hooker Diarmuid Barron captaining the side.

Senior players Alex Wootton, Neil Cronin, Darren O’Shea, Seán O’Connor, Gavin Coombes, Conor Oliver and Craig Casey are all named in the squad.

12 Greencore Munster Rugby Academy players are included – Alan Tynan, Alex McHenry, Ben Healy, Josh Wycherley, Barron, Keynan Knox, Jack O’Sullivan, Eoghan Clarke, James French, Thomas Ahern, John Hodnett and Liam Coombes.

Garryowen trio Jack Delaney, Corrie Barrett, and Cian Hurley and UCC’s Harry O’Riordan are also named in the matchday 23.

Munster A:
Alan Tynan; Liam Coombes, Alex McHenry, Jack Delaney, Alex Wootton; Ben Healy, Neil Cronin;
Josh Wycherley, Diarmuid Barron (C), Keynan Knox; Darren O’Shea, Seán O’Connor; Gavin Coombes, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Sullivan.

Replacements: Eoghan Clarke, James French, Corrie Barrett, Thomas Ahern, Cian Hurley, John Hodnett, Craig Casey, Harry O’Riordan.

In another article, Peter Malone mentioned that Sean French was unavailable for this game due to exams. Good to see John Hodnett involved, it would be great if he could push for a senior appearance during the Six Nations.

kingofthekong · 12-12-2019 2:58pm

Cronin ahead of casey, what exactly is the point of playing Cronin over Casey, is Stafford injured?

budhabob · 12-12-2019 6:01pm

Any recommendations for a pub in Toulouse that might show the game?

errlloyd · 12-12-2019 6:13pm

budhabob wrote: »

Any recommendations for a pub in Toulouse that might show the game?

Toulouse is rugby mad, won't be hard to find one. The melting pot was the Leinster base there last year, there were plenty of Munster flags on the wall. Decent boozer.

Sabre0001 · 13-12-2019 11:55am

Craig Casey picks up a nomination for RTE Sport's Young Sportsperson of the year. Hoping we see more of him in a Munster shirt in the coming months. Plenty of energy and bosses players around the place.

https://twitter.com/Shannon_RFC/status/1205432632928088065

aloooof · 13-12-2019 1:01pm

Team named:

Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray; James Cronin, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Billy Holland; Tadhg Beirne, Peter O’Mahony (C), CJ Stander.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Liam O’Connor, Stephen Archer, Fineen Wycherley, Jack O’Donoghue, Nick McCarthy, Dan Goggin, Tommy O’Donnell.

John Ryan in for Archer, otherwise the 15 is unchanged. 6/2 split again, TOD taking Botha's bench spot and Goggin in for Arnold.

jr86 · 13-12-2019 1:04pm

Whoops thought Sarries were apparently throwing Europe this year!

As if!!

Vunipola x2, farrell, george, daly all starting

aloooof · 13-12-2019 1:04pm

Saracens team:

15 Max Malins
14 Sean Maitland
13 Alex Lozowski
12 Nick Tompkins
11 Elliot Daly
10 Owen Farrell (c)
9 Richard Wigglesworth
1 Mako Vunipola
2 Jamie George
3 Vincent Koch
4 Joel Kpoku
5 George Kruis
6 Nick Isiekwe
7 Ben Earl
8 Billy Vunipola

Replacements

16 Tom Woolstencroft
17 Richard Barrington
18 Josh Ibuanokpe
19 Calum Clark
20 Jackson Wray
21 Ben Spencer
22 Manu Vunipola
23 Duncan Taylor

Eod100 · 13-12-2019 1:11pm

Always going to be strong tram at home and with Bristol at home next week too

Cookiemunster · 13-12-2019 2:11pm

jr86 wrote: »

Whoops thought Sarries were apparently throwing Europe this year!

As if!!

Vunipola x2, farrell, george, daly all starting

Who told you that? Everyone knew they'd go strong at home. Still not their strongest though

Brief_Lives · 13-12-2019 2:31pm

I see that prick Calum Clark is on their bench....

Riskymove · 13-12-2019 2:33pm

jr86 wrote: »

Vunipola x2, farrell, george, daly all starting

No team can have their first choice 15 not playing for three or four weeks at a time

They were all going to get some game time, likely at home

Having said that I don't think only playing a less than full first team in the make or break fixture says they are committed to Europe this season

Dubinusa · 13-12-2019 3:59pm

Callum Clark is good for a penalty or card. Tough ask here for Munster. The only saving grace is no Itoje!

tommycahir · 13-12-2019 10:41pm

Some great deals to be had on lifestyle for Munster gear at the minute, 50% off alot of gear and then running buy 1 get 1 half price ..

https://www.lifestylesports.com/ie/munster-rugby/

Got a polo and a training t shirt for €39 with free delivery to parcel motel..

Felix Jones is God. · 13-12-2019 10:53pm

tommycahir wrote: »

Some great deals to be had on lifestyle for Munster gear at the minute, 50% off alot of gear and then running buy 1 get 1 half price ..

https://www.lifestylesports.com/ie/munster-rugby/

Got a polo and a training t shirt for €39 with free delivery to parcel motel..

Seems to be all buy 1 get 1 half price

yerrahbah · 13-12-2019 11:25pm

https://twitter.com/MRSCDublin/status/1205613774658506789

Boscoirl · 14-12-2019 5:18pm

tommycahir wrote: »

Some great deals to be had on lifestyle for Munster gear at the minute, 50% off alot of gear and then running buy 1 get 1 half price ..

https://www.lifestylesports.com/ie/munster-rugby/

Got a polo and a training t shirt for €39 with free delivery to parcel motel..

Ordered a T-shirt and polo last night at 21:55 for 33€
Just got it delivered right now. That is some service

yerrahbah · 15-12-2019 12:47am

Backrow could be stretched over the interpros

Botha suspended for another 2 games
Beirne injury looked quite serious
POM could miss few weeks

Stander and JOD will probably need their minutes managed

Will need the likes of Cloete and Tommy O'Donnell to play quite a bit.

An opportunity for Conor Oliver too

Could play Holland or Whycherly at blindside

Might see Gavin Coombes or Jack O'Sulliavn make an appearance or two

Depending on John Ryans injury TH could be an issue too, with Parker also injured we are down to Archer and Knox

Might see Ben Healy make a few appearances too. with him being our only fit outhalf apart from JJ

Banner2theend · 15-12-2019 10:28am

While rugby would not be one of my favorite sports, I would be very interested in what fellow Munster posters think about whether Johann Van Graan, will get the sack as Munster head coach, at the end of the season. While I don't get to watch too many Munster matches these days, it appears there is great disappointment over the continued "direct" style of rugby, that Munster are employing again this season. That's in spite of the arrival of Stephen Larkham as backs and skills coach.

If Munster fail to qualify for the quarter-finals of the Champions Cup, surely that is the end game for JVG? Many were surprised (this poster included) that he got the head coach role in the first place. From the bits I have seen Munster since he took over, I don't think that the southern province have expanded their game, during the South African's tenure as head coach.

I will be interested in what other posters think, about the direction Munster are heading under JVG. Another thing that I noticed is the difference in physique between Munster and Leinster. Some of the Munster players look bulky, a bit big. While Leinster look fitter, trimmer, leaner and more sharper as evident in their two performances against Northampton. Any thoughts on that will be most greatly appreciated by this poster!

bennyl10 · 15-12-2019 10:44am

Banner2theend wrote: »

While rugby would not be one of my favorite sports, I would be very interested in what fellow Munster posters think about whether Johann Van Graan, will get the sack as Munster head coach, at the end of the season. While I don't get to watch too many Munster matches these days, it appears there is great disappointment over the continued "direct" style of rugby, that Munster are employing again this season. That's in spite of the arrival of Stephen Larkham as backs and skills coach.

If Munster fail to qualify for the quarter-finals of the Champions Cup, surely that is the end game for JVG? Many were surprised (this poster included) that he got the head coach role in the first place. From the bits I have seen Munster since he took over, I don't think that the southern province have expanded their game, during the South African's tenure as head coach.

I will be interested in what other posters think, about the direction Munster are heading under JVG. Another thing that I noticed is the difference in physique between Munster and Leinster. Some of the Munster players look bulky, a bit big. While Leinster look fitter, trimmer, leaner and more sharper as evident in their two performances against Northampton. Any thoughts on that will be most greatly appreciated by this poster!

Not a hope in hell.

If Munster had Leinsters group we’d be topping it also. You can’t compare a game against Sarries, whixh was also going to eh attritional, to a game against Northampton who play much more expansive play.

We have just started a new coaching set up, and already there is signs of a much better and fluid attacking system.
Combined with what already was, and has continued to be, one of the best defences out there.

2European and league semi finals, losing to Leinster Sarries and Racing. Not that far behind at all and very close to where we need to be.

15-12-2019 10:59am

Is there any word on Beirne? Hopefully not as bad as it looked.

Caranica · 15-12-2019 11:31am

Banner2theend wrote: »

While rugby would not be one of my favorite sports, I would be very interested in what fellow Munster posters think about whether Johann Van Graan, will get the sack as Munster head coach, at the end of the season. While I don't get to watch too many Munster matches these days, it appears there is great disappointment over the continued "direct" style of rugby, that Munster are employing again this season. That's in spite of the arrival of Stephen Larkham as backs and skills coach.

Are you serious??????????

We're not even three months into the season and Munster are a team that is evolving and improving all the time. Compare yesterday to the semi final in Coventry, we have improved significantly, even after massive injury issues.

It takes time for all the pieces to fit together but we have possibly the best coaching team in Munster's history and I'm excited. I've sat in rooms where JvG has talked about his vision, his plans and I have every faith in him.

Comparing us to Leinster gets us nowhere. We don't have the playing population, the rugby schools or the money. We have to play the hand we're dealt.

Buer · 15-12-2019 1:13pm

I think Munster have almost certainly taken a step forward from where they were. The belief and organisation in the side is at another level to what it was and that was evident yesterday.

With that said, I'm not sure how much can be read into the Saracens double header. The first match was dirge ruined by the weather and the second was a game of kick tennis for the most part. Neither team were at full strength. Munster lost a couple of guys during the game and Saracens were possibly undercooked with the big names who played having one match in 6 weeks.

I'd expect both teams to improve in the coming months but I reckon Saracens will improve a lot more. Itoje, Barrit, Williams, Goode, Skelton etc. will transform that team when they're all fit and have some games together.

Shefwedfan · 15-12-2019 1:21pm

Really you can't expect huge changes this season with a whole new coaching team. One of them who only joined the team recently. Also the majority of senior squad not available for preseason and the start of season.

So not sure why anyone would anyone would look for his head....

I do think if it was the same coaching ticket as last year then maybe some questions might be raised.

I do find it strange to talk about the best coaching ticket in Munster history?? bit of an insult to the previous coach's who have won major trophies for Munster.

Caranica · 15-12-2019 1:27pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I do find it strange to talk about the best coaching ticket in Munster history?? bit of an insult to the previous coach's who have won major trophies for Munster.

I did say possibly and I mean in terms of calibre and time and place. The coaches who delivered silverware in times past are heroes. Munster said they got their first choice coaches this season, from an international search. My point was that we've never been in that position before.

mystic86 · 15-12-2019 1:43pm

So a win in Paris and a BP win in Thomond against Ospreys, and hope that either Ospreys or Racing can stop Saracens from getting 5 points. Not seeing it, Racing are in great form.

15-12-2019 1:46pm

mystic86 wrote: »

So a win in Paris and a BP win in Thomond against Ospreys, and hope that either Ospreys or Racing can stop Saracens from getting 5 points. Not seeing it, Racing are in great form.

They aren't in great form, they are doing really badly in the T14.

shootermacg · 15-12-2019 1:50pm

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

They aren't in great form, they are doing really badly in the T14.

If we beat Racing and Sarries beat Racing, where does that leave us? That bonus point would have been really handy..

troyzer · 15-12-2019 1:52pm

shootermacg wrote: »

If we beat Racing and Sarries beat Racing, where does that leave us? That bonus point would have been really handy..

Racing would still be top.

15-12-2019 1:52pm

shootermacg wrote: »

If we beat Racing and Sarries beat Racing, where does that leave us? That bonus point would have been really handy..

Munster have a point more than Saracens in the pool so matching Saracens will leave Munster ahead and 10 points would guarantee Munster finish ahead of Saracens.

Buer · 15-12-2019 2:04pm

Munster are well capable of beating Racing in Paris. Racing are not a great team. They're capable of great rugby and moments but they are vulnerable. They've won 3 games this season in the T14 including losing at home.

Win in Paris and Munster will top the pool. There's a solid chance.

mystic86 · 15-12-2019 2:41pm

troyzer wrote: »

Racing would still be top.

I'm talking about the race to finish 2nd in the group.

mystic86 · 15-12-2019 2:42pm

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

Munster have a point more than Saracens in the pool so matching Saracens will leave Munster ahead and 10 points would guarantee Munster finish ahead of Saracens.

Indeed. Nothing I said contradicts that?

Saracens are at home for that Racing game.

shootermacg · 15-12-2019 2:48pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Indeed. Nothing I said contradicts that?

Saracens are at home for that Racing game.

Are you guys saying, we win away to Racing and we go through? That's good enough for me, there was some serious steel in Munster yesterday, if we bring that to Racing, I think we have a good chance.

mystic86 · 15-12-2019 2:51pm

Buer wrote: »

Munster are well capable of beating Racing in Paris. Racing are not a great team. They're capable of great rugby and moments but they are vulnerable. They've won 3 games this season in the T14 including losing at home.

Win in Paris and Munster will top the pool. There's a solid chance.

As long as Racing prevent Saracens from getting a BP win.

I didn't think of that, I was only looking at the race for 2nd. Interesting.

mystic86 · 15-12-2019 2:54pm

troyzer wrote: »

Racing would still be top.

How? If they lose both they stay on 17 points, or even with 2 LBP they would be on 19, we would be on 20 if we win in Paris and get BP win at home to Ospreys..?

shootermacg · 15-12-2019 2:58pm

WE'RE NOT OUT OF IT YET LADS!

:D:D

Bridge93 · 15-12-2019 3:01pm

if Munster and saracens get 5 against the Ospreys that leaves it at:

Racing 17 played 4
Munster 16 played 5
Saracens 15 played 5

One win and Racing top the group in all likelihood ( Munster in theory could still catch them if they win 5-0 in Paris and racing only get 4 in London.)

Munster match sarries they come second at worst. Probably need 18 points minimum to get through as ulster and Leinster group both look like hitting at least 18

Dubinusa · 15-12-2019 4:55pm

Munster are evolving their playing style. Larkham is making a mark. They're going in the right direction.

aloooof · 15-12-2019 11:44pm

On the coaching ticket thing for me, realistically JVG will be given until the end of next season I would imagine.

On paper, Rowntree and Larkham look like an upgrade on Fla and Felix (as much as I liked them). Especially in attack, our style has clearly been evolving and that’s going to take some time.

Add in Snyman and De Allende arriving next year, it all points to JVG being given some time.

As an aside, those 2 signings haven’t been made official yet tho, right?

Cookiemunster · 16-12-2019 12:05am

aloooof wrote: »

On the coaching ticket thing for me, realistically JVG will be given until the end of next season I would imagine.

On paper, Rowntree and Larkham look like an upgrade on Fla and Felix (as much as I liked them). Especially in attack, our style has clearly been evolving and that’s going to take some time.

Add in Snyman and De Allende arriving next year, it all points to JVG being given some time.

As an aside, those 2 signings haven’t been made official yet tho, right?

All the coaching staff are signed up until June 2022, so JVG won't be going anywhere until at least then unless he decides to leave himself.

And JVG himself picked Larkham and Rountree so he is most definitely not 'being given some time'

Eod100 · 16-12-2019 12:09am

aloooof wrote: »

On the coaching ticket thing for me, realistically JVG will be given until the end of next season I would imagine.

On paper, Rowntree and Larkham look like an upgrade on Fla and Felix (as much as I liked them). Especially in attack, our style has clearly been evolving and that’s going to take some time.

Add in Snyman and De Allende arriving next year, it all points to JVG being given some time.

As an aside, those 2 signings haven’t been made official yet tho, right?

Nope, just speculation in media and confirmation from Munster that there was discussion but nothing finalized.

aloooof · 16-12-2019 12:10am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

All the coaching staff are signed up until June 2022, so JVG won't be going anywhere until at least then unless he decides to leave himself.

And JVG himself picked Larkham and Rountree so he is most definitely not 'being given some time'

I think we agree (my clunky wording notwithstanding; it’s been a long weekend).

Former Former · 16-12-2019 12:27am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

All the coaching staff are signed up until June 2022, so JVG won't be going anywhere until at least then unless he decides to leave himself.

Or if IRFU decide to fire him.

So he's going nowhere unless either side decides that he is in fact going somewhere.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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