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Boggles · 06-10-2019 8:24pm

Discodog wrote: »

Met Eirann told the truth. The Weather forum here told the truth.

RTE took the truth & added a big lump of drama.

If RTE can't tell the future then they shouldn't be bigging up the drama.

So the quote below is your evidence that they added "a big lump of drama"?

Storm Lorenzo will bring high winds and heavy rainfall likely to cause flooding, power outages, fallen trees and damage to property when it arrives in Ireland

That was from Met Eireann and it happened.

Moaning for the sake of moaning??

Discodog · 06-10-2019 9:01pm

Boggles wrote: »

So the quote below is your evidence that they added "a big lump of drama"?

Storm Lorenzo will bring high winds and heavy rainfall likely to cause flooding, power outages, fallen trees and damage to property when it arrives in Ireland

That was from Met Eireann and it happened.

Moaning for the sake of moaning??

Here is lots of real evidence

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058018456/33/#post111443047

elperello · 06-10-2019 9:20pm

All you RTE complainers can add Lorenzo to the national broadcasters rap sheet if you really insist.

As for me I battened down the hatches secured everything as best I could and went to bed and slept like a baby. When I awoke and saw that things were ok I was delighted.

The next time there are warnings I'll do the same and I don't care if a few TV presenters get a bit OTT.

Weather forecasting is a difficult business and until they get it down to an exact science I'm prepared to make the best of it and take precautions.

Boggles · 07-10-2019 12:35pm

Discodog wrote: »

Here is lots of real evidence

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058018456/33/#post111443047

No it isn't.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 12:53pm

If ever there was a case of fake news, Lorenzo was it.

RTE must have spent a fortune covering what was essentially a non event. Then they have no money to cover the athletic world championships which was always a stable on RTE, or the 6 Nations, and need to stick repeats on their main channels.

Badly, badly run operation. They completely overhype some events and ignore others which deserve hype.

Extra money will be wasted as before, largely on wages to contractors and presenters.

Boggles · 07-10-2019 1:01pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Then they have no money to cover the athletic world championships which was always a stable on RTE

Yeah over 20 years ago. 1997 was the last time they covered it in full AFAIK.

It's rubbish, no one wants to watch it, not even where it is on.

Discodog · 07-10-2019 1:22pm

Boggles wrote: »

No it isn't.

If you read the last couple of pages, on that thread, you will see a reasoned, expert assessment of RTE's coverage.

Boggles · 07-10-2019 1:39pm

Discodog wrote: »

If you read the last couple of pages, on that thread, you will see a reasoned, expert assessment of RTE's coverage.

Expert after the storm?

Again, if you will, could you back up your statement that RTE were not truthful about the storm?

In your own time.

end of the road · 07-10-2019 1:46pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If ever there was a case of fake news, Lorenzo was it.

nope.
fake news is news that is not accurate and can be proven so.
news reported on the basis of (at the time) accurate information which was provided in good faith, which doesn't turn out to happen exactly as originally reported, is not fake news.
rte, and other media, on the basis of information that was at the time accurate, reported that an event was expected to happen.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

RTE must have spent a fortune covering what was essentially a non event. Then they have no money to cover the athletic world championships which was always a stable on RTE, or the 6 Nations, and need to stick repeats on their main channels.

no . the people covering it would have been covering the weather anyway.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Badly, badly run operation. They completely overhype some events and ignore others which deserve hype.

Extra money will be wasted as before, largely on wages to contractors and presenters.

so, they aren't over-hyping the events you want to be over-hyped? perhapse those events you want over-hyped, are actually the ones that don't deserve to be, rather then the ones you believe don't deserve to be?

Elmo · 07-10-2019 2:08pm

end of the road wrote: »

nope.
fake news is news that is not accurate and can be proven so.
news reported on the basis of (at the time) accurate information which was provided in good faith, which doesn't turn out to happen exactly as originally reported, is not fake news.
rte, and other media, on the basis of information that was at the time accurate, reported that an event was expected to happen.

No real issue with RTÉ reporting the news and information to hand. But what about after the storm? Questions put to Met Éireann.

James Brown · 07-10-2019 2:12pm

There is rarely ever any 'fake news' in mainstream journalism. They might get something wrong or genuinely predict the weather wrong, (it's the weather c'mon) and anytime any respected organisation does get a story wrong they apologise and retract.
I fuppin' hate that americanised 'fake news' crap.

Boggles · 07-10-2019 2:15pm

Elmo wrote: »

No real issue with RTÉ reporting the news and information to hand. But what about after the storm? Questions put to Met Éireann.

The storm met all the criteria for an Orange Weather warning.

What questions have they to answer?

Elmo · 07-10-2019 2:21pm

Boggles wrote: »

The storm met all the criteria for an Orange Weather warning.

What questions have they to answer?

Usually there is an update on the storm, why was it so bad, why was it worse than reported, what effective measures were put in place, what worked what didn't work etc.

None of these questions have to judge Met Éireann, but you can imagine if the Storm had been worse then reported there would have been lots of questions to answer.

In many ways news reporting becomes storm watch rather than news. We are taking a very Americanized view of storm/weather reporting.

Either way this has little or nothing to do with RTÉ's funding and its use of funds.

end of the road · 07-10-2019 2:28pm

Elmo wrote: »

No real issue with RTÉ reporting the news and information to hand. But what about after the storm? Questions put to Met Éireann.

there are no questions to put to met eireann, met eireann reported the information they had. weather can change at the drop of a hat, and weather can switch course also at the drop of a hat.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 3:53pm

end of the road wrote: »

nope.
fake news is news that is not accurate and can be proven so.
news reported on the basis of (at the time) accurate information which was provided in good faith, which doesn't turn out to happen exactly as originally reported, is not fake news.
rte, and other media, on the basis of information that was at the time accurate, reported that an event was expected to happen.

no . the people covering it would have been covering the weather anyway.

so, they aren't over-hyping the events you want to be over-hyped? perhapse those events you want over-hyped, are actually the ones that don't deserve to be, rather then the ones you believe don't deserve to be?

With global warming, storms of this nature will be more frequent, ie happening a couple times a year.

Are RTE going to a massive effort everytime there is a rumoured storm coming.

All they have to do is bring Jean Byrne on 6-1 news and other main news programs to tell people to be vigilant, and describe the risks, etc.

Instead RTE went into full St Patricks Day mode with a reporter and crew in every location to report on the Big Storm, a storm that completely missed most of the country. They treat every storm like its the storm of the century, when they are nothing of the sort.

Weather forecaster interviewed on the news is more than enough, that's all people are interested in. Not George Lee, etc telling us the end is nigh.

They waste resources and money like nobody's business in RTE.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 3:56pm

Elmo wrote: »

Usually there is an update on the storm, why was it so bad, why was it worse than reported, what effective measures were put in place, what worked what didn't work etc.

None of these questions have to judge Met Éireann, but you can imagine if the Storm had been worse then reported there would have been lots of questions to answer.

In many ways news reporting becomes storm watch rather than news. We are taking a very Americanized view of storm/weather reporting.

Either way this has little or nothing to do with RTÉ's funding and its use of funds.

Maybe not but its symptomatic of bad decision making and use of resources.

A broadcaster that is supposed to be broke, spending fortunes on sending out reporters to report on what was predictably a flop/non event.

tallaghtfornia · 07-10-2019 4:05pm

In my mothers house yesterday and she was flicking though the stations noticed RTE 1 where screening Keeping Up Appearances from the 1990s!!!

I cant believe I have to contribute my hard earned money toward the bottomless pit.

Only for my kids I would not even have a TV.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 4:11pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

There is rarely ever any 'fake news' in mainstream journalism. They might get something wrong or genuinely predict the weather wrong, (it's the weather c'mon) and anytime any respected organisation does get a story wrong they apologise and retract.
I fuppin' hate that americanised 'fake news' crap.

We can call it made up news or exaggerated news. Its all the same.
Its sensationalising something and going OTT.

God help us if we ever get proper storms like they get in the Caribbean.

end of the road · 07-10-2019 4:19pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

With global warming, storms of this nature will be more frequent, ie happening a couple times a year.

Are RTE going to a massive effort everytime there is a rumoured storm coming.

All they have to do is bring Jean Byrne on 6-1 news and other main news programs to tell people to be vigilant, and describe the risks, etc.

Instead RTE went into full St Patricks Day mode with a reporter and crew in every location to report on the Big Storm, a storm that completely missed most of the country.

yes because people expect the state broadcaster to go that bit further when reporting on an issue. they expect extra details such as how parts of the country are dealing with the expected event.
it is not their fault if the event doesn't happen as expected, they can only report on the information given, and those giving the information can only report what their information gathering tells them.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They treat every storm like its the storm of the century, when they nothing of the sort.

no they don't.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Weather forecaster interviewed on the news is more than enough, that's all people are interested in. Not George Lee, etc telling us the end is nigh.

in your opinion only i'm afraid.
unless the whole of the people of the country are asked, then it is reasonable to assume that people do expect that bit more detail from the state broadcaster, hence it is provided.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They waste resources and money like nobody's business in RTE.

someone else's waste is someone else's correct spend.

Discodog · 07-10-2019 4:21pm

Boggles wrote: »

Expert after the storm?

Again, if you will, could you back up your statement that RTE were not truthful about the storm?

In your own time.

If you actually bother to read it you will see that experts predicted exactly what would happen to the storm. Despite George Lee's hysterics it was never going to be a Hurricane.

I have already done so & I have no intention of trying to answer the deaf.

Discodog · 07-10-2019 4:36pm

end of the road wrote: »

yes because people expect the state broadcaster to go that bit further when reporting on an issue. they expect extra details such as how parts of the country are dealing with the expected event.
it is not their fault if the event doesn't happen as expected, they can only report on the information given, and those giving the information can only report what their information gathering tells them.

no they don't.

in your opinion only i'm afraid.
unless the whole of the people of the country are asked, then it is reasonable to assume that people do expect that bit more detail from the state broadcaster, hence it is provided.

someone else's waste is someone else's correct spend.

They didn't report on the information given. They reported on the situation many hours in advance & ignored the changing situation. They failed to provide detail. It was obvious several hours before that this storm wasn't going to be a problem or abnormal.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 4:41pm

end of the road wrote: »

yes because people expect the state broadcaster to go that bit further when reporting on an issue. they expect extra details such as how parts of the country are dealing with the expected event.
it is not their fault if the event doesn't happen as expected, they can only report on the information given, and those giving the information can only report what their information gathering tells them.

no they don't.

in your opinion only i'm afraid.
unless the whole of the people of the country are asked, then it is reasonable to assume that people do expect that bit more detail from the state broadcaster, hence it is provided.

someone else's waste is someone else's correct spend.

Nonsense. Most people only care about what the PROFESSIONAL weather forecaster has to say.

Not a single RTE reporter is a professional weather forecaster.

More detail? FFS, all they are doing is repeating the words of the professional forecasters.

The problem with this OTT coverage is you risk fatigue and cynicism among the public. Ie people no longer believe the news reporter and presenters and unfortunately by extension, weather forecasters.

The "storm" coverage was symtomatic of RTE's mistakes in the recent past.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 4:46pm

Discodog wrote: »

They didn't report on the information given. They reported on the situation many hours in advance & ignored the changing situation. They failed to provide detail. It was obvious several hours before that this storm wasn't going to be a problem or abnormal.

Yep the weather forecasters said it would lose most of its strength by the time it reached Ireland, would run parallel to the coast and come inland in Mayo.

So 90% of the country would not be affected badly and the 10% that was would experience some strong gusts.

Just a normal winter storm in other words and not the end of the world that RTE tried to make out. So yes they ignored the weather forecasters advice.

Boggles · 07-10-2019 4:57pm

Discodog wrote: »

Despite George Lee's hysterics it was never going to be a Hurricane.

Again have you link to the "hysterics"?

It's up to you to prove your claim lad, no one else.

ToBeFrank123 · 07-10-2019 5:06pm

Boggles wrote: »

Again have you link to the "hysterics"?

It's up to you to prove your claim lad, no one else.

Ah the old bog 'em down by seeking links tactic where you want them to go watching endless hours of news just to find a George Lee report.

I think we all know George has a talent for spreading doom, whether its valid or not.

Every RTE reporter wants to be the new Theresa Mannion, the one who reported the storm from the front line. Except this time they were caught out, and there was no storm.

But don't except a Liveline program about how RTE got it wrong.

Discodog · 07-10-2019 5:16pm

Boggles wrote: »

Again have you link to the "hysterics"?

It's up to you to prove your claim lad, no one else.

Says more than I could ever say.

Discodog · 07-10-2019 5:18pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Ah the old bog 'em down by seeking links tactic where you want them to go watching endless hours of news just to find a George Lee report.

I think we all know George has a talent for spreading doom, whether its valid or not.

Every RTE reporter wants to be the new Theresa Mannion, the one who reported the storm from the front line. Except this time they were caught out, and there was no storm.

But don't except a Liveline program about how RTE got it wrong.

I actually posted the twitter link to the video where George Lee is spouting doom.

end of the road · 07-10-2019 5:27pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Nonsense. Most people only care about what the PROFESSIONAL weather forecaster has to say.

Not a single RTE reporter is a professional weather forecaster.

More detail? FFS, all they are doing is repeating the words of the professional forecasters.

The problem with this OTT coverage is you risk fatigue and cynicism among the public. Ie people no longer believe the news reporter and presenters and unfortunately by extension, weather forecasters.

The "storm" coverage was symtomatic of RTE's mistakes in the recent past.

if there ends up being fatigue and cynicism among the public, if they do not believe news and weather forecasters who are providing information on good faith, then that is the public's own fault, as there is no attempt to decieve them, but simply provide information.
weather warnings should always be heeded, and if the weather ends up not being bad, then one should just be glad that things didn't happen as expected.

Boggles · 07-10-2019 7:19pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Ah the old bog 'em down by seeking links tactic

You mean the old back up what you claim?

Minimum requirement and just good manners.

The Late Late Show · 08-10-2019 4:41am

This time last week this 'storm' Lorenzo kept RTE in material. Let's look at the 2 sides to it: the weather forecasters and the likes of George Lee. First off, Lorenzo was NEVER noted to be a Red Alert, it was at worst Orange and only for a few counties and was Yellow for the rest. There were much worse storms and if the Met office considered it to be one of the worst, they'd have issued a Red. They didn't.

As things turned out, what happened was no storm to a normal storm situation depending on where one lived. But to hear George Lee, you'd ASSUMED a Red Alert was on the way and it was Ophelia and her cousins Christmas Eve 1997, Stephen's Day 1998 and Darwin all over again. Interestingly, only Ophelia was reported as a Red Alert or equivalent national emergency of all these severe almost hurricane like events. The other 3 were not forecast to be as severe and the hyper types in the newsroom were not as tuned into weather then (it was either scandals or economics that floated their boats then!).

Boggles · 08-10-2019 8:08am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Lorenzo was NEVER noted to be a Red Alert, it was at worst Orange

Storm Ali was Orange last year, it killed 2 people on this island.

Elmo · 08-10-2019 10:31am

RTÉ need massive reform and quickly.

Seems to me that RTÉ pushed money into areas they shouldn't have in the last 5 years.

In cutting areas of Public service broadcast they saved about €15million per year but then that Saving was completely elimated by ringfencing costs in their cost in non-public service activities such as 2FM (given €5million per year from the licence fee), Corp HQ (given €5million per year from the licence fee) and the increase in funding to Imported programming by €5million.

RTÉ should have cut funding to 2FM by €5m, Corp HQ cost should have been examined and imported programming reduced by €10million, not increased by €5million.

Discodog · 08-10-2019 12:02pm

Boggles wrote: »

Storm Ali was Orange last year, it killed 2 people on this island.

Any weather can kill people. You don't base warnings on the possibility that a branch or tree might fall.

ToBeFrank123 · 08-10-2019 12:29pm

If RTE cover every storm like they did Lorenzo, they won't be long burning through the budget.

They are acting like they are the BBC but with one tenth the budget and one fifteenth the population of the UK. Cut your cloth, convey the bare essentials necessary to people. Don't make out every storm is the storm of the century, because we've have had 5 of those in the last 3 years alone.

Elmo · 08-10-2019 12:42pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If RTE cover every storm like they did Lorenzo, they won't be long burning through the budget.

Only as long as storms don't occur in August, if anything major happens in August RTÉ are on holidays.

ToBeFrank123 · 08-10-2019 12:56pm

Most of the presenters in RTE are not highly skilled at anything. They are only good for filling airtime with inanities. You can find people like this at every street corner for a fraction of the cost.

Excessive salaries for mediocre broadcasters is the number 1 issue at RTE.

Boggles · 08-10-2019 1:22pm

Discodog wrote: »

Any weather can kill people.

Really? 15 degrees, completely calm and overcast have killed how many in Ireland?

Anyway storms or adverse weather conditions are more likely to cause injury or be deadly, That's why we have warnings.

To say it was "only an orange warning" is naive and completely misses the point.

Discodog wrote: »

You don't base warnings on the possibility that a branch or tree might fall.

Of course they do FFS.

ORANGE WARNING – Be Prepared

An ORANGE level warning is issued by Met Éireann for wind speeds with the capacity to produce dangerous, stormy conditions which may constitute a risk to life and property.

Stay away from exposed coastal areas for the period of the ORANGE warning.
Drive to anticipate strong cross winds and other hazards such as falling/fallen trees. High sided vehicles and motorcyclists are particularly vulnerable to strong winds – slow down and give extra space to pedestrians and cyclists.
Be aware of local conditions in your area; wind strengths can vary significantly from place to place (depending on direction and local topography).

If gusts get high enough to fell trees that pushes it into a different warning category.

This isn't very hard understand TBF.

end of the road · 08-10-2019 1:27pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Most of the presenters in RTE are not highly skilled at anything. They are only good for filling airtime with inanities.

their job is to fill airtime and provide content. that is what they do, and most of them are absolutely skilled at doing it.
sure, some in my personal opinion aren't that good, but if they are doing what they are employed to do successfully, then ultimately i will just have to either put up, or find something else while they are on air.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You can find people like this at every street corner for a fraction of the cost.

i'm sure you can, but it has no relevance to the broadcast industry where listener figures and advertising rates are important.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Excessive salaries for mediocre broadcasters is the number 1 issue at RTE.

sure, but if they are bringing in the listener figures and advertisers, then really they aren't that mediocre, apart from in our own opinion depending on the broadcaster.

ToBeFrank123 · 08-10-2019 1:52pm

end of the road wrote: »

their job is to fill airtime and provide content. that is what they do, and most of them are absolutely skilled at doing it.
sure, some in my personal opinion aren't that good, but if they are doing what they are employed to do successfully, then ultimately i will just have to either put up, or find something else while they are on air.

i'm sure you can, but it has no relevance to the broadcast industry where listener figures and advertising rates are important.

sure, but if they are bringing in the listener figures and advertisers, then really they aren't that mediocre, apart from in our own opinion depending on the broadcaster.

Here's an example of highly skilled broadcasters.
Liveline:
Joe: "Good afternoon caller, can I have your point please?"

Repeated ad nausiam - paid 300k a year for this?

Marian:
"Well what do you think will happen with Brexit?"

And similar.

A 5 year old could present most of these shows, particularly with a team of producers, editors and researchers feeding questions in their ear as happens with RTE.

Highly paid mediocre broadcasters. Cut these salaries substantially and then see what you are left with. We know from experience the more money you give RTE, the more it is wasted on higher salaries for mediocre broadcasters.

SJW Lover · 08-10-2019 1:52pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

There is rarely ever any 'fake news' in mainstream journalism.

:pac::pac:

ShamNNspace · 08-10-2019 2:11pm

SJW Lover wrote: »

Matt Barrett wrote: »

There is rarely ever any 'fake news' in mainstream journalism.

:pac::pac:

CARSTON!! Fetch the smelling salts at once

SJW Lover · 08-10-2019 2:15pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

CARSTON!! Fetch the smelling salts at once

Said with a straight face and the usual condescending tone. You'd just have to feel pity.

James Brown · 08-10-2019 2:50pm

SJW Lover wrote: »

:pac::pac:

Yep you go to some alt-right youtuber for your 'facts'

“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,” Trump said.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell, 1984

Aren't you clued in... :rolleyes:

Discodog · 08-10-2019 4:51pm

Boggles wrote: »

Really? 15 degrees, completely calm and overcast have killed how many in Ireland?

Anyway storms or adverse weather conditions are more likely to cause injury or be deadly, That's why we have warnings.

To say it was "only an orange warning" is naive and completely misses the point.

Of course they do FFS.

If gusts get high enough to fell trees that pushes it into a different warning category.

This isn't very hard understand TBF.

A tree fell today, someone could of been killed - no warning. You had better get an RTE news crew on the scene right away. Oh & it rained which made the roads wet & slippery. Warnings are for exceptional risk.

But the point isn't ME's warnings. It's RTE's sensationalising of them.

Discodog · 08-10-2019 4:52pm

Elmo wrote: »

Only as long as storms don't occur in August, if anything major happens in August RTare on holidays.

The Boxing Day Tsunami was a classic example.

Elmo · 08-10-2019 5:00pm

Discodog wrote: »

The Boxing Day Tsunami was a classic example.

Stephen's Day

Atlantic Dawn · 08-10-2019 5:02pm

Forbes should be seconded to TG4 for 6 months to see how that is run on a fraction of the cost.

SJW Lover · 08-10-2019 5:22pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yep you go to some alt-right youtuber for your 'facts'

Why do you people always have to put words in other people's mouths? It really devalues anything you are trying to say. You made the sweeping statement (and i am directly quoting you here) - There is rarely ever any 'fake news' in mainstream journalism." That is complete rubbish and, if you think that, you're at best incredibly naive. You poor boy.

James Brown · 08-10-2019 5:27pm

SJW Lover wrote: »

Why do you people always have to put words in other people's mouths? It really devalues anything you are trying to say. You made the sweeping statement (and i am directly quoting you here) - There is rarely ever any 'fake news' in mainstream journalism." That is complete rubbish and, if you think that, you're at best incredibly naive. You poor boy.

'you people'

So does spinning yarns and being condescending.

I bet you can't point out any 'fake news' specifically on RTE.
Are we agreed 'fake news' is purposefully broadcasting lies or faked content?

Just because the truth hurts, doesn't make it fake. Sometimes inaccurate and open to correction, for sure. Try watching less American conservative outlets.

Boggles · 08-10-2019 7:23pm

'Fake news' really is the war cry of the clinical moron!

It use to mean simply false news or lies, now it means any news that the clinical morons don't agree with or don't find favorable to whatever cock eyed narrative they are trying to peddle.

The lot of them should be fired into the sun.

Absolute cretins.

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