Do you feel guilty that your drug use is fueling gangland crime?

freshpopcorn · 26-09-2019 04:22PM #1

I was watching a program on Virgin Media One about gangland crime in Ireland and a senior a Garda said something along the lines of that the average/social drug user contributes a lot to this?
(This would include cocaine,weed,etc or prescription drugs that you may purchase illegally).

I can see where the Gardai was coming from but I don't think most people would care. I wouldn't feel to guilty to be honest especially if I was in my late teens,etc.
However I wouldn't bother with anything now.

Do you feel guilty that your drug use is fueling gangland crime?

riemann · 26-09-2019 04:25PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I was watching a program on Virgin Media One about gangland crime in Ireland and a senior a Garda said something along the lines of that the average/social drug user contributes a lot to this?
(This would include cocaine,weed,etc or prescription drugs that you may purchase illegally).

I can see where the Gardai was coming from but I don't think most people would care. I wouldn't feel to guilty to be honest especially if I was in my late teens,etc.
However I wouldn't bother with anything now.

Do you feel guilty that your drug use is fueling gangland crime?

Absolutely not.

Recreational drug use has no correlation to gangland crime. How would it?

I've seen the wire so I know what I'm talking about.

Will I Am Not · 26-09-2019 04:25PM

I stopped taking drugs years ago and it didn’t make any difference so no.

BDI · 26-09-2019 04:28PM

I wonder how many people in the world would starve to death without the drugs trade.

Cordell · 26-09-2019 04:28PM

It's that false argument that if there will be no customers for their racket then criminals will become good standing tax paying citizens.

kneemos · 26-09-2019 04:30PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I stopped taking drugs years ago and it didn’t make any difference so no.

QED.

26-09-2019 04:31PM

I used to take drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

King of Kings · 26-09-2019 04:31PM

Stupid argument. The state bans drugs creating a black market.
The huge success of the head shops and the resulting ire of drug gangs to these shops is testament to the fact that given a choice people would buy drugs legally.
Its the states decision to keep drugs illegal

26-09-2019 04:33PM

If the government don’t want the money funding criminal gangs then it’s up to them to tax and regulate the drugs.

99.9% of recreational drug users would be happy to pay a bit extra for taxed drugs of guaranteed quality from a legitimate source rather than from a criminal dealer.

They aren’t given that option unfortunately so there’s no other choice.
Some sensible policy from the government could easily change this and provide a windfall in revenues which are currently going through the net AND creating costs in policing.

frag420 · 26-09-2019 04:35PM

My mate grows mine and any chems we get are made by a chemist frond in Prague that we know, he studied in Trinity. No criminals involved and the quality is top notch!

Next...

Mickeroo · 26-09-2019 04:36PM

Haven't used them in years but thanks to cognitive dissonance/mental acrobatics I'd likely not feel guilty if I still used them.

kneemos · 26-09-2019 04:41PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

If the government don’t want the money funding criminal gangs then it’s up to them to tax and regulate the drugs.

99.9% of recreational drug users would be happy to pay a bit extra for taxed drugs of guaranteed quality from a legitimate source rather than from a criminal dealer.

They aren’t given that option unfortunately so there’s no other choice.
Some sensible policy from the government could easily change this and provide a windfall in revenues which are currently going through the net AND creating costs in policing.

Yeah sure dealing out hallucinogens,speed and opiods is a spiffing idea.

26-09-2019 04:48PM

kneemos wrote: »

Yeah sure dealing out hallucinogens,speed and opiods is a spiffing idea.

Speed is already given out in the form of ADHD drugs (Adderal is literally amphetamine salts) while opioids are widely prescribed and available.

People aren’t just going to suddenly start doing heroin for the craic just because there’s no criminal penalty. If I wanted to I could go into an off license right now and buy enough alcohol to kill me. Anyone can. But it doesn’t mean that they avail of that freedom just because they can.

Portugal has decriminalised drugs for years now, explain to me why their society hasn’t come crashing down around their ears?

The Satanist · 26-09-2019 04:53PM

I bypass the evil drug gangs by having my heroin shipped directly from Afghanistan to my PO Box no. 666, GPO, Dublin 1 every month.

skallywag · 26-09-2019 04:53PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Do you feel guilty that your drug use is fueling gangland crime?

Not if you grow your own.

skallywag · 26-09-2019 04:58PM

frag420 wrote: »

... by a chemist frond in Prague...

Is that a Trinity pronunciation of 'Friend' ?

kneemos · 26-09-2019 04:58PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Speed is already given out in the form of ADHD drugs (Adderal is literally amphetamine salts) while opioids are widely prescribed and available.

People aren’t just going to suddenly start doing heroin for the craic just because there’s no criminal penalty. If I wanted to I could go into an off license right now and buy enough alcohol to kill me. Anyone can. But it doesn’t mean that they avail of that freedom just because they can.

Portugal has decriminalised drugs for years now, explain to me why their society hasn’t come crashing down around their ears?

They decriminalised small quantities for personal use, they're still illegal.
Those caught are given treatment rather than a criminal record.

Only need to look to America for what happens when heavy duty and legal drugs are freely available.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-09-2019 05:01PM

The only thing getting fueled by my drug use is the profits from mega meanies and purple monster munch sales.

Seriously though, I would much prefer to pay double and buy it legally if it were an option, I'm a shite gardener and it really shows in my plants

enricoh · 26-09-2019 05:02PM

The Satanist wrote: »

I bypass the evil drug gangs by having my heroin shipped directly from Afghanistan to my PO Box no. 666, GPO, Dublin 1 every month.

A mate of nine buys all his online these days, he went abroad on a stag n got everything delivered to the hotel the datly they arrived.
I thought it was a very efficient service n no dealing with scobes!

uck51js9zml2yt · 26-09-2019 05:09PM

I didn't know my caffeine consumption contributed to gangland crime!!

harry Bailey esq · 26-09-2019 05:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I used to take drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

Likewise. Is it contributing towards the coffers of 'gangland' ? A resounding yes. Do I feel guilty about it? Couldn't give a bollocks. Anyone who's wallet is full of rolled up notes at the end of a weekend and says they feel guilty about lining some ne'er-do-wells pockets is a liar.

boombang · 26-09-2019 05:12PM

Little did I know that all the talk on the boardwalk about "Blueies" related to my addition to addiction to Lindor truffles.

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harry Bailey esq · 26-09-2019 05:23PM

boombang wrote: »

Little did I know that all the talk on the boardwalk about "Blueies" related to my addition to addiction to Lindor truffles.

It would make more sense financially to go on the brown...

Arghus · 26-09-2019 05:31PM

I don't use drugs a lot. I might take a pill a few times a year, maybe 4-5 times, but, yes, I would think of that aspect of it. It's one of the reasons I don't partake all that much.

There are some people I know that are absolute drug hoovers, will take anything and do so all the time. I don't think they think about it all.

What I find interesting is that some of them - not all of them - are painfully right-on about a load of things: don't eat meat, very much into social justice, but don't have much qualms about gobbling up drugs that aren't exactly ethically sourced.

mr_fegelien · 26-09-2019 05:35PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Speed is already given out in the form of ADHD drugs (Adderal is literally amphetamine salts) while opioids are widely prescribed and available.

People aren’t just going to suddenly start doing heroin for the craic just because there’s no criminal penalty. If I wanted to I could go into an off license right now and buy enough alcohol to kill me. Anyone can. But it doesn’t mean that they avail of that freedom just because they can.

Portugal has decriminalised drugs for years now, explain to me why their society hasn’t come crashing down around their ears?

True but your wrong that Speed is given out. Not here in Ireland. In fact one of my American friends who has ADHD and found difficulty getting methylphenidate (Ritalin) said, if a doctor prescribes you ADHD meds in Ireland, he's probably fake.

Doctors here and in the U.K. are reluctant to give opioids to cancer patients, nevermind ADHD meds to kids.

mr_fegelien · 26-09-2019 05:39PM

I will say this and say this again, is this thread a minority of Irish people, or the majority? Do most Irish people approve of drug use?

My family is African and you can imagine their views on drugs. Quite uneduated especially about weed.

mr_fegelien · 26-09-2019 05:39PM

Frank N Stein wrote: »

One of the reasons I refuse to take drugs, you are giving money to scum.

That a sod reason because would you stop drinking alcohol if it got banned tomorrow? Because you'd be fueling gangland crime?

HorrorScope · 26-09-2019 05:59PM

Nope no guilt here. Grow my own or buy it from a friend who does the same - you’d swear by the media we were all fueling cartels when like everything related to the “war on drugs”, it’s complete bull****.

topmanamillion · 26-09-2019 06:05PM

I used to be on the "legalise drugs" side. But some traveling changed my mind where I saw first hand the reality in countries where it is legal.

If the government legalised say cannabis, it would have to adhere to standards and it'd be more expensive than your average lad growing and selling it in his attic sells it for.
Not only that but certain strains would be deemed unfit for human consumption as they'd be deemed too potent/toxic. This is where the criminals would step in.

Each to their own but there's alot of naivety here from people who are putting money in the hands of the very people they are on other threads giving out about.

AlphabetCards · 26-09-2019 06:06PM

If you are paying for coke, your a tool tbh. Think of everyone along the way that suffers for your ****ty middle-class habit.

Aceandstuff · 26-09-2019 06:06PM

I don't do any illegal drugs, I just make my own jenkem at home.

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