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Ryanair discussion ban?

  • 16-07-2019 10:08am
    #1
    zom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭


    Is there a ban on Ryanair discussions on After Hours?
    Most of boarders are Ryanair customers and they are entitled to discus important issues like Ryanair buying new Boeing 737 MAX (recently renamed to 737 8200)!
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  • #2
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,516 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    perhaps try the aviation forum


  • #3
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    perhaps try the aviation forum

    A general interest story I'd have thought,rather than a specific aviation item.


  • #4
    zom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    perhaps try the aviation forum

    Over one hundred million passengers a year and you think it is a hobby?


  • #5
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    zom wrote: »
    Is there a ban on Ryanair discussions on After Hours?

    No, there isn't.


  • #6
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    zom wrote: »
    Is there a ban on Ryanair discussions on After Hours?
    Most of boarders are Ryanair customers and they are entitled to discus important issues like Ryanair buying new Boeing 737 MAX (recently renamed to 737 8200)!

    Ryanair have always used 737's so why would their buying the newest version of the plane be an issue.

    It's not like they are going to fly it before it's released to fly by the regulators and they won't be doing using the same process again for certification.


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  • #7
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    It got moved to A&A but I think papering over the cracks with rebranding of the type should be made known to the public.


  • #8
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    It got moved to A&A but I think papering over the cracks with rebranding of the type should be made known to the public.

    Are people unable to read the news? If public relies on AH to get relevant information then we have more serious issues than Ryanair rebranding planes.


  • #9
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    It got moved to A&A but I think papering over the cracks with rebranding of the type should be made known to the public.

    They'll just charge you more if you want to fly on a safer aircraft.


  • #10
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    They'll just charge you more if you want to fly on a safer aircraft.

    How is Ryanair's ultra modern fleet unsafe?

    They have a very good safety record.


  • #11
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,737 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    murpho999 wrote: »
    How is Ryanair's ultra modern fleet unsafe?

    They have a very good safety record.

    That type of plane does not

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • #12
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    That type of plane does not

    But they're not using it yet and will only do so once given the all clear.

    No different to other airlines but Ryanair always get singled out by haters.

    Do you realise Ryanair are ultra sensitive about safety as they know one slip up will destroy them. They don't mess around with it or take short cuts in anyway.


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Big concerns about the plane remain, but the idea that there is some kind of Big Aerospace man telling this this little website to shut up about it

    (( L O L))


  • #14
    rabbidpeach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35 ✭rabbidpeach


    kneemos wrote: »
    A general interest story I'd have thought,rather than a specific aviation item.
    The charter states "Do not post here to reach a larger audience" so I'm sure this is why the post was moved.


  • #15
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    murpho999 wrote: »
    But they're not using it yet and will only do so once given the all clear.

    It was given the all clear before Lion air and Ethiopian airlines flew them.

    I'm not a Ryan air hater, although I'm sure they renegotiated the price on the orders.


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    murpho999 wrote: »
    But they're not using it yet and will only do so once given the all clear.

    No different to other airlines but Ryanair always get singled out by haters.

    Do you realise Ryanair are ultra sensitive about safety as they know one slip up will destroy them. They don't mess around with it or take short cuts in anyway.

    Then why are they removing the "Max" lettering? A rather devious tactic of rebranding.


  • #17
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Then why are they removing the "Max" lettering? A rather devious tactic of rebranding.

    I'd say it's Boeing doing it.

    Why have a go at Ryanair. Other Airlines such AIG (Iberia, British Airways and Aer Lingus etc) and United Airlines have done it too.

    Guardian Article here

    Why single out Ryanair?

    Plane can only fly when cleared by regulators. Ryanair will not fly an unsafe plane.


  • #18
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Then why are they removing the "Max" lettering? A rather devious tactic of rebranding.

    The same reason as buildings often don't have 13th floor. It's not like the safety issues with the plane won't be resolved and planes thoroughly scrutinised.


  • #19
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    It was given the all clear before Lion air and Ethiopian airlines flew them.

    I'm not a Ryan air hater, although I'm sure they renegotiated the price on the orders.

    The fault which is software related had not been discovered yet but is now identified and been fixed.

    These are not the first ever plane crashes you know.

    Flight safety is a constantly evolving and changing area.

    How are you sure Ryanair renegotiated the price? Did Michael O'Leary call you?

    If they did, how do you know other airlines didn't as well.

    Why is Ryanair being singled out and other airlines doing the exact same thing are not being mentioned?


  • #20
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    You wouldn't name your new cruise liner the Titanic.


  • #21
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    zom wrote: »
    Over one hundred million passengers a year and you think it is a hobby?

    Why would you think that the aviation forum is purely for hobbyists? There's a lot of very serious and technical discussion in that forum as many of the posters there work in the industry. It's not just a bunch of lads who like looking at the pictures in aviation magazines or who park outside the airport to take photos.


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  • #22
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    murpho999 wrote: »
    The fault which is software related had not been discovered yet but is now identified and been fixed.

    Boeing also made some safety features "optional extras".

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/21/doomed-boeing-737-air-max-planes-ethiopia-indonesia-crashes-lacked-two-optional-safety-features-report
    Regulators do not require airlines to buy optional extras, and many low-cost carriers opt not to.

    I wonder are RyanAir going to pay up for those...

    murpho999 wrote: »
    How are you sure Ryanair renegotiated the price? Did Michael O'Leary call you?

    If they did, how do you know other airlines didn't as well.

    Why is Ryanair being singled out and other airlines doing the exact same thing are not being mentioned?

    You've being very defensive there about Ryan Air.
    Of course Irish people are going to be concerned about an airlines choices
    when they're pretty likely to fly with them in the future.


  • #23
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    kneemos wrote: »
    You wouldn't name your new cruise liner the Titanic.

    I hear Pepsi are rebranding Pepsi Max too.


  • #24
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I don't think so


  • #25
    Tow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭Tow


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Then why are they removing the "Max" lettering? A rather devious tactic of rebranding.

    AFAIK the Ryanair version was never the standard "Max". It is special 'max' bums on a seat version of the '737 Max 8', aka 727 Max 200. It is longer, has 200 seats and an extra emergency exit door.

    https://www.boeing.com/commercial/customers/ryanair/boeing-launches-737-max-200-with-100-airplane-order-from-ryanair.page

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • #26
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,737 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    kneemos wrote: »
    You wouldn't name your new cruise liner the Titanic.

    Although..


    http://mentalfloss.com/article/561482/titanic-ii-preparing-set-sail-2022-and-you-can-be-board





    He must like to live dangerously.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #27
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Although..


    http://mentalfloss.com/article/561482/titanic-ii-preparing-set-sail-2022-and-you-can-be-board

    He must like to live dangerously.


    Made in China.


  • #28
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Boeing also made some safety features "optional extras".

    I wonder are RyanAir going to pay up for those...


    What Boeing done was make some warnings related to the MCAS system an optional extra. This was possible as they were not considered "safety critical" by the manufacturer. Its prohibited to make a safety critical feature an optional extra, as we know, Boeing found a work around and were stung.


    For your other question... Yes Ryanair did purchase these optional extras ($80k per aircraft at list prices)


  • #29
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Does the MAX not indicate that the aircraft is chemtrail capable?


  • #30
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    They screwed me for € 40 with a carry on bag last Friday in Budapest. A normal Samsonite bag. I am going to choose other airlines going forward where possible. Sick of them.


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  • #31
    Tow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭Tow


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    What Boeing done was make some warnings related to the MCAS system an optional extra.

    MCAS is only the tip of the iceberg. It now appears they have to upgrade the flight control computer, the venerable 286 is too slow the handle the 'fixed software' in realtime.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/boeings-software-fix-for-the-737-max-problem-overwhelms-the-planes-computer.html

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • #32
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    They screwed me for € 40 with a carry on bag last Friday in Budapest. A normal Samsonite bag. I am going to choose other airlines going forward where possible. Sick of them.

    Did you not check the baggage fees?


  • #33
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    They screwed me for € 40 with a carry on bag last Friday in Budapest. A normal Samsonite bag. I am going to choose other airlines going forward where possible. Sick of them.
    Sounds like you screwed yourself :cool:


  • #34
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I am a moron....Hmmm.


  • #35
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    tbf no one really cares about planes, people book flights away they go, just because few fell down, wont make a difference, thus aviation hobby forum.

    moaning about cheapest flight provider is useless most flights are 3-4 hours to travel few thousand miles, hardly major stress in advanced times we live to complain not being treated well when you pay barely 100e when taxi or petrol costs more to get to airport.


  • #36
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Ryanair have always used 737's so why would their buying the newest version of the plane be an issue.

    It's not like they are going to fly it before it's released to fly by the regulators and they won't be doing using the same process again for certification.

    Because the latest version of the 737 is a pile of shyte that has two crashes due to half arsed software.
    Also self regulation is no form of regulation, especially in aviation.
    murpho999 wrote: »
    The fault which is software related had not been discovered yet but is now identified and been fixed.

    These are not the first ever plane crashes you know.

    Flight safety is a constantly evolving and changing area.

    Flight safety was taking a retrograde step with the way Boeing's software was developed.


    Also Boeing's quality is going down the sh*tter all because they now run things on a corporate profit basis.
    They moved some production to North Carolina because they could get much cheaper labour rather than face unions back in Seattle.
    Why not check out the hidden footage and the interviews with Boeing engineers about weed heads now building Boeings ?

    Last year they pushed the idea of cutting huge chunk of quality control inspectors and replacing them with new work practices and automated systems.
    If the new automated systems were developed along the lines of the software on the 737 Max then holy shyte.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • #37
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Tow wrote: »
    MCAS is only the tip of the iceberg. It now appears they have to upgrade the flight control computer, the venerable 286 is too slow the handle the 'fixed software' in realtime.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/boeings-software-fix-for-the-737-max-problem-overwhelms-the-planes-computer.html


    Yes I know, I was merely addressing the comment about safety features referring to MCAS warnings being optional extras and why they are not required to be installed as standard (rightly or wrongly)!


  • #38
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Boeing also made some safety features "optional extras".

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/21/doomed-boeing-737-air-max-planes-ethiopia-indonesia-crashes-lacked-two-optional-safety-features-report



    I wonder are RyanAir going to pay up for those...




    You've being very defensive there about Ryan Air.
    Of course Irish people are going to be concerned about an airlines choices
    when they're pretty likely to fly with them in the future.

    Again Ryanair being criticised for nothing.
    Boeing should be criticised for having these optional extras. Ryanair will not skimp on safety as a crash would be very damaging to their business.

    I'm not defensive of Ryanair but people just always go on about them.

    Guarantee that the poster who got "screwed" for €40 for their bag did something wrong themselves.
    IAG group doing exact same as Ryanair but nobody says anything.

    Whole group ripped everyone off for years until Ryanair came along and turned market on its head. But it's ok as the established airlines gave "free" drinks whilst ripping people off.


  • #39
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    zom wrote: »
    Is there a ban on Ryanair discussions on After Hours?
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    perhaps try the aviation forum



    As it's Ryanair, it's probably in a smaller forum a fair bit away from these larger ones...


  • #40
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    zom wrote: »
    Is there a ban on Ryanair discussions on After Hours?
    Most of boarders are Ryanair customers and they are entitled to discus important issues like Ryanair buying new Boeing 737 MAX (recently renamed to 737 8200)!
    zom wrote: »
    Over one hundred million passengers a year and you think it is a hobby?

    I moved it last night as I felt that it would get a better level of expertise in the discussion in a specialised forum. As such, a 24 hour expiring note was left for those wishing to follow the thread in its new forum.


  • #41
    zom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Tow wrote: »
    MCAS is only the tip of the iceberg. It now appears they have to upgrade the flight control computer, the venerable 286 is too slow the handle the 'fixed software' in realtime.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/boeings-software-fix-for-the-737-max-problem-overwhelms-the-planes-computer.html

    Thank you for sharing this link - very informative.
    The latest post links to Wall Street Journal saying Boeing problems wont be solved until at least 2020 so I presume we all will forget about MAX in it's name.


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  • #42
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Tow wrote: »
    MCAS is only the tip of the iceberg. It now appears they have to upgrade the flight control computer, the venerable 286 is too slow the handle the 'fixed software' in realtime.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/boeings-software-fix-for-the-737-max-problem-overwhelms-the-planes-computer.html

    :eek: you weren't joking !
    It is actually 286 processors!!!!


  • #43
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :eek: you weren't joking !
    It is actually 286 processors!!!!

    Obviously the problem is that the planes don't come with the Intel inside stickers...


  • #44
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :eek: you weren't joking !
    It is actually 286 processors!!!!

    Like in many planes flying over our heads right now.


  • #45
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :eek: you weren't joking !
    It is actually 286 processors!!!!

    286 processors are fine.
    Hell you can do a lot with an 8086, but what is not fine is using normal software development principles, as foisted on us all by likes of Microsoft, to develop software for the critical operations of flight control of an aircraft.

    Aircraft development and build must always use the best practices adopted over decades of aircraft manufacture.
    Adopting the suck and see approach of the likes of your major software vendors results in major fookups and major fookups at 35,000 ft result in major deaths.

    Airbus managed to do it a lot lot better because they didn't try cut corners like Boeing are now fond of doing.

    Even worse is the current muppets in positions of power in US are trying to blame the foreigners for the Boeing crashes.
    And yes the head of FAA and senators in a senate committee did just that.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #46
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    What is this thread about?


  • #47
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is a big Ryanair thread in Consumer Issues.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055339093&page=375


  • #48
    Phileas Frog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Phileas Frog


    kneemos wrote: »
    A general interest story I'd have thought,rather than a specific aviation item.

    Try the travel forum


  • #49
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    zom wrote: »
    Is there a ban on Ryanair discussions on After Hours?
    Most of boarders are Ryanair customers and they are entitled to discus important issues like Ryanair buying new Boeing 737 MAX (recently renamed to 737 8200)!

    There's a mega thread on them on Consumer Affairs. I better home for discussing issues with them than AH.


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