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Yet another 'Cyclists' thread...

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  • 14-07-2019 6:25pm
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    swarlb
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    Following on from the recent mindmelt of a thread about lorries (trucks or big vans to those who don't know what a 'lorry' is) and cyclists on rural roads....Here's an article which will mean nothing to the "I hate cyclists and will never change my mind" brigade, but which might enlighten a few on the fence.
    Most likely it will make little difference.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/15/cyclists-paved-way-for-roads


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    amcalester
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    Whenever I’m out and about there’s just so many of them around taking up space and blocking everyone else. It’s a disgrace, and they’re all breaking the law, running red lights weaving in and out of lanes, blocking faster traffic etc.

    Really, it’s high time we banned cars from cities and towns.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Dublin cyclists all need a mandatory training course and a stricter fine structure to stop the chronic bad behaviour and entitled attitudes among them. Thats just fact.


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    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Dublin cyclists all need a mandatory training course and a stricter fine structure to stop the chronic bad behaviour and entitled attitudes among them. Thats just fact.

    And yet all the traffic and fatalities are caused by....


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    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    donvito99 wrote: »
    And yet all the traffic and fatalities are caused by....

    If you want to post a statistic how about you post the % of accidents involving a cyclist.

    Or how many of those are fatalities?

    Of course more accidents are caused by motorists...because guess what, there are 1000 times motorists on the roads than bicycles.

    Cycling is dangerous...the same way being on a motorbike is dangerous. You’ve to look twice as hard at what’s going on around you. One bump could be fatal.


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    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    swarlb wrote: »
    Following on from the recent mindmelt of a thread about lorries (trucks or big vans to those who don't know what a 'lorry' is) and cyclists on rural roads....Here's an article which will mean nothing to the "I hate cyclists and will never change my mind" brigade, but which might enlighten a few on the fence.
    Most likely it will make little difference.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/15/cyclists-paved-way-for-roads

    Yeah and typewriters paved the way for computers. And I agree bicycles are paving the way again in cities... For electric scooters. People are lazy by nature, as a whole we will always pick the lazy option.


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    triggermortis
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Dublin cyclists all need a mandatory training course and a stricter fine structure to stop the chronic bad behaviour and entitled attitudes among them. Thats just fact.

    doesn't really work for motorists does it, so why do you think cyclists need it?


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    donvito99 wrote: »
    And yet all the traffic and fatalities are caused by....

    if somebody breaks the red light at a level crossing and the car gets hit by a train, do we blame the train or the idiot who crossed the red light infront of something too heavy to stop at a split second notice.


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    Cork Trucker
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    donvito99 wrote: »
    And yet all the traffic and fatalities are caused by....

    Cyclists do play their part in minor and serious injuries to pedestrians but it is rarely discussed regardless of what level they play in it all.

    The below article is one i remember reading a good while back.

    For the record just because i am a trucker i am not anti cycling, just prefer a level playing field.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/woman-critical-collision-cyclist-3920019-Mar2018/


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    tuxy
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Dublin cyclists all need a mandatory training course and a stricter fine structure to stop the chronic bad behaviour and entitled attitudes among them. Thats just fact.

    Goes both ways, what do you think of this?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#403678616f6c
    Cyclists who drive are better behind the steering wheel than motorists, a new analysis has found.

    Mandatory cycling as part of driving lessons maybe?


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    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Yeah and typewriters paved the way for computers. And I agree bicycles are paving the way again in cities... For electric scooters. People are lazy by nature, as a whole we will always pick the lazy option.

    it is an obvious solution to congestion.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    tuxy wrote: »
    Goes both ways, what do you think of this?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#403678616f6c



    Mandatory cycling as part of driving lessons maybe?
    was revealed by a UK insurance firm which offers specialist motor insurance policies for cyclists

    an Insurance company trying to sell a product to a group of people tells that group of people that theyre class drivers... sounds legit.

    also pooling drivers , somebody who cycles to and from work and only drives a little as a group vs a group of motorist only people who drive everywhere, shockingly enough the group in the car less is going to have less car accidents.


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    Seth Brundle
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    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    Cyclists do play their part in minor and serious injuries to pedestrians but it is rarely discussed regardless of what level they play in it all.

    The below article is one i remember reading a good while back.

    For the record just because i am a trucker i am not anti cycling, just prefer a level playing field.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/woman-critical-collision-cyclist-3920019-Mar2018/
    Although the article does not point towards blame, one could assume that the pedestrian stepped put in front of the cyclist, a regular enough occurrence in some urban areas. Assuming that my assumption is correct then what's your point?


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    donvito99
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    When was the last time a cyclist killed a pedestrian? I think it was about 15yrs ago from recollection in Dublin?

    How many people have been run over by cars since then?


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    somefeen
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    an Insurance company trying to sell a product to a group of people tells that group of people that theyre class drivers... sounds legit.

    also pooling drivers , somebody who cycles to and from work and only drives a little as a group vs a group of motorist only people who drive everywhere, shockingly enough the group in the car less is going to have less car accidents.

    How do they prove that they're cyclists? Do they have to send a photo of their firm cyclist arses clad in Lycra and is this database publicly available


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    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    an Insurance company trying to sell a product to a group of people tells that group of people that theyre class drivers... sounds legit.

    also pooling drivers , somebody who cycles to and from work and only drives a little as a group vs a group of motorist only people who drive everywhere, shockingly enough the group in the car less is going to have less car accidents.

    Insurance companies don’t generally offer discounts unless they have the data to back it up.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    amcalester wrote: »
    Insurance companies don’t generally offer discounts unless they have the data to back it up.

    its the same about the myth of women being safer drivers, or why lower kilometer policies are cheaper...

    Less time in the car = less accidents.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    somefeen wrote: »
    How do they prove that they're cyclists? Do they have to send a photo of their firm cyclist arses clad in Lycra and is this database publicly available

    id imagine they just look up anything you post online, if you look like a total cockwomble and keep posting about cycling every 5 minutes then youre set.


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    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    Can we differentiate between cyclists? I mean most cyclists are grand, using the bikes to get to work or the shops, using cycle lanes, aware of whats going around them.

    Then you have the lycra brigade who don't believe in single file and "shur cycle lanes are too dirty"... 3 and 4 abreast as you go around a bend and there they are refusing to give way with their entitled stares.


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    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its the same about the myth of women being safer drivers, or why lower kilometer policies are cheaper...

    Less time in the car = less accidents.

    Nah, more time on the bike = better road awareness and faster reaction times.


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    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Can we differentiate between cyclists? I mean most cyclists are grand, using the bikes to get to work or the shops, using cycle lanes, aware of whats going around them.

    Then you have the lycra brigade who don't believe in single file and "shur cycle lanes are too dirty"... 3 and 4 abreast as you go around a bend and there they are refusing to give way with their entitled stares.

    3-4 cyclists two abreast still likely taking up less space than a car, so why do you find it so difficult to overtake?


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    Seth Brundle
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its the same about the myth of women being safer drivers, or why lower kilometer policies are cheaper...

    Less time in the car = less accidents.
    Have you more accurate stats than theirs?


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    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Can we differentiate between cyclists? I mean most cyclists are grand, using the bikes to get to work or the shops, using cycle lanes, aware of whats going around them.
    Can we differentiate between the drivers who consistently break the road traffic laws to suit themselves and the law obeying ones?
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Then you have the lycra brigade who don't believe in single file and "shur cycle lanes are too dirty"... 3 and 4 abreast as you go around a bend and there they are refusing to give way with their entitled stares.
    You're offended by their clothes? Must be because their behaviour is completely legal and safer than single file


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    jimmynokia
    Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    donvito99 wrote: »
    When was the last time a cyclist killed a pedestrian? I think it was about 15yrs ago from recollection in Dublin?

    How many people have been run over by cars since then?

    Not the point here really, Cyclists need lessons in my book, Go to any set of lights in the morning or evening or along the quays,canal and they weave in and out of traffic then gather in a pile at the lights waving all over the shop overtaking each other and stupid maneuvers, ignore lights etc,yes motorists do the same but the point is they are a danger to society and the same applies to some morons on the electric scooters same thing again.
    This is a prime example below..

    https://youtu.be/ViWpGdP-Zes?list=UU90epHXnLJRU19R5PiYxS0g


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    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    Not the point here really, Cyclists need lessons in my book, Go to any set of lights in the morning or evening or along the quays,canal and they weave in and out of traffic then gather in a pile at the lights waving all over the shop overtaking each other and stupid maneuvers, ignore lights etc,yes motorists do the same but the point is they are a danger to society and the same applies to some morons on the electric scooters same thing again.
    This is a prime example below..

    https://youtu.be/ViWpGdP-Zes?list=UU90epHXnLJRU19R5PiYxS0g

    A danger to society? Less of the hyperbole, as annoying as it is society isn’t at risk because some cyclists run a red light.

    Lessons wont make a difference anyway, people who break the lights do so because there’s very little enforcement. Be they cyclists, motorists or pedestrians.


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    tuxy
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    I think the stereotypical cyclist runs reds.
    And the stereotypical motorist uses their phone while driving.

    But it's very difficult to determine which of the two is the greater danger on the road!


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    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    Not the point here really, Cyclists need lessons in my book, Go to any set of lights in the morning or evening or along the quays,canal and they weave in and out of traffic then gather in a pile at the lights waving all over the shop overtaking each other and stupid maneuvers, ignore lights etc,yes motorists do the same but the point is they are a danger to society and the same applies to some morons on the electric scooters same thing again.
    This is a prime example below..

    https://youtu.be/ViWpGdP-Zes?list=UU90epHXnLJRU19R5PiYxS0g

    Cyclists "gathering in a pile" is evidence of the efficiency of people on bicycles and the criminal inefficiency of people driving their cars. Avg occupancy of a car in Dublin has dropped from 1.3 to 1.2.

    Cyclists "weaving in and out of traffic" is another example of cars being entirely useless in the cities. One is a quiet, non-polluting, non-road surface degrading mode. The other is the mode digging up the roads, causing traffic grid lock, pumping shite into the air and, to boot, massively subsidised by the tax payer every year.


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    Limpy
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    The cyclists can argue they were using the roads before cars were invented.


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    Tell me how
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    tuxy wrote: »
    I think the stereotypical cyclist runs reds.
    And the stereotypical motorist uses their phone while driving.

    But it's very difficult to determine which of the two is the greater danger on the road!

    Risk = Probability of Occurrence X Severity of Outcome.

    risk_levels.jpg

    I would suggest that for both factors motorists would score higher and therefore are the greater danger on the road.


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    terrydel
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    amcalester wrote: »
    Insurance companies don’t generally offer discounts unless they have the data to back it up.

    The same way they had the data to back up their baseless nonsense about rampant claims fraud, at the public accounts committee recently?


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    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    terrydel wrote: »
    The same way they had the data to back up their baseless nonsense about rampant claims fraud, at the public accounts committee recently?

    Yeah, fair point to be honest. But in this they were offering discounts not increasing price and it was the UK not Ireland.

    There’s a similar study from Australia that shows that cyclist-drivers have faster observation skills than motorists.


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