Summer Transfer Superthread

irishguitarlad · 09-07-2019 12:43pm

Would help his development meant to say.

irishguitarlad · 09-07-2019 12:43pm

BullBlackNova wrote: »

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Pau López from Betis was sold yesterday to Roma for 29 million. Not too sure how I feel about it but if It means we can keep on to a couple of the bigger players and add one or two more then I'm happy.

Did he spend a season on loan at Spurs or have I confused him with someone else? He must have developed quite a bit!!

Other done deal - Pontus Jansson has left Leeds. Joined Brentford in a 5.5m deal. Him and Bielsa fell out last season apparently - in the Villa game, it was Jansson who refused to let them walk it into the net - but that strikes me as a big loss for Leeds. Lots of unhappy fans on Twitter anyway.

He did yeah, he has developed in to a solid keeper and spanish international.

marklazarcovic · 09-07-2019 2:45pm

Who bankrolls juve to this extent the last few seasons?

Cookiemunster · 09-07-2019 3:01pm

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Who bankrolls juve to this extent the last few seasons?

They're the Man Utd of Italy when it comes to commercial. They're also one of the few clubs who actually own their own (modern) stadium and can make money out of it. Add to the money from winning 8 titles in a row and going deep in the CL most years and it all adds up.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 3:06pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

More like Barca thought they could get him for €120m, but Atleti are claiming the original release clause of €200m because negotiations occurred before July 1st when the release clause dropped.

If Barca pay it up front they'll take €120m. It's funding their new guy!

Cookiemunster · 09-07-2019 3:26pm

is_that_so wrote: »

If Barca pay it up front they'll take €120m. It's funding their new guy!

Have you seen the official statement from the Atleti President? And also it's a release clause, so it HAS to be paid upfront.

Baggly · 09-07-2019 3:28pm

Jay Rodriguez from West Brom to Burnley confirmed.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 4:06pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Have you seen the official statement from the Atleti President? And also it's a release clause, so it HAS to be paid upfront.

Yeah, it's a Spanish club president. They all do that drama. What can he do? Griezmann wants to go. An apology, maybe a condemnation and a fine and the €120m in cash should do it.

CSF · 09-07-2019 4:09pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, it's a Spanish club president. They all do that drama. What can he do? Griezmann wants to go. An apology, maybe a condemnation and a fine and the €120m in cash should do it.

Griezmann would not be the first player in history to be told to shut up and get on with it, it that was to happen.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 4:19pm

CSF wrote: »

Griezmann would not be the first player in history to be told to shut up and get on with it, it that was to happen.

I think they've made their own statement by signing Joao Felix. They need money for that so he'll go.

NIMAN · 09-07-2019 4:53pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They're the Man Utd of Italy when it comes to commercial. They're also one of the few clubs who actually own their own (modern) stadium and can make money out of it. Add to the money from winning 8 titles in a row and going deep in the CL most years and it all adds up.

And the Agnelli fortune too.

ERG89 · 09-07-2019 5:00pm

is_that_so wrote: »

I think they've made their own statement by signing Joao Felix. They need money for that so he'll go.

Giving him Griezmann's squad number is another paint yourself into a corner move.

09-07-2019 5:12pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They're the Man Utd of Italy when it comes to commercial. They're also one of the few clubs who actually own their own (modern) stadium and can make money out of it. Add to the money from winning 8 titles in a row and going deep in the CL most years and it all adds up.

They also quietly offload players for healthy fees like:

Bonucci for E42m
Lemina for E17m
Caldara for E35m
Benatia for E8m
Spinazzola for E30m
Hernanes E10m
Pereyra E15m
Morata E30m

All over the last 2-3 seasons amongst others.

CSF · 09-07-2019 5:37pm

is_that_so wrote: »

I think they've made their own statement by signing Joao Felix. They need money for that so he'll go.

Yeah I don’t think he will be there either. I’d have my doubts also whether Atletico would win any case in relation to the release clause also.

But like with Neymar, I can see the clubs fighting to compete with Barca etc putting up more and more of a fight to stop players just deciding they want to leave and think that automatically gets them a transfer.

Players have the option to negotiate a minimum fee release clause at the start of their contract. In Spain it’s mandatory so it sounds as if the Griezmann one is down to the technicalities of it, whereas Neymar probably took an extra few quid rather than negotiate his escape clause if required.

Cookiemunster · 09-07-2019 6:05pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, it's a Spanish club president. They all do that drama. What can he do? Griezmann wants to go. An apology, maybe a condemnation and a fine and the €120m in cash should do it.

You need to read up on how Spanish release clauses work.

Barça haven't had (and won't have) any dealings with Atleti with respect to this. AG has to deposit his release fee (which Barça will give him) with the Spanish league to buy himself out of his contract. When the league cancel his contract he's a free agent and the league gives the money to Atleti. He then signs for Barça as a 'free agent'

In this situation Atleti are claiming that the clause is still €200m as negotiations between AG and Barça took place before July 1st when the clause dropped.

No doubt it will get sorted out, but no money will be moving directly between the clubs.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 6:10pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

You need to read up on how Spanish release clauses work. Barça haven't had (and won't have) any dealings with Atleti with respect to this. AG has to deposit his release fee (which Barça will give him) with the Spanish league to buy himself out of his contract. When the league cancel his contract he's a free agent and the league gives the money to Atleti. He then signs for Barça as a 'free agent'.
In this situation Atleti are claiming that the clause is still €200m as negotiations between AG and Barça took place before July 1st when the clause dropped.
No doubt it will get sorted out, but no money will be moving directly between the clubs.

I'm not talking about the process. I really can't see them getting that €200m no matter how much muttering goes on from Atletico.

charolais0153 · 09-07-2019 6:51pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They also quietly offload players for healthy fees like:

Bonucci for E42m
Lemina for E17m
Caldara for E35m
Benatia for E8m
Spinazzola for E30m
Hernanes E10m
Pereyra E15m
Morata E30m

All over the last 2-3 seasons amongst others.

Did they not buy benatia for about 30 million before the price explosion a few years ago, so a fair drop in value,

Ivefoundgod · 09-07-2019 7:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They also quietly offload players for healthy fees like:

Bonucci for E42m
Lemina for E17m
Caldara for E35m
Benatia for E8m
Spinazzola for E30m
Hernanes E10m
Pereyra E15m
Morata E30m

All over the last 2-3 seasons amongst others.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Did they not buy benatia for about 30 million before the price explosion a few years ago, so a fair drop in value,

This is more than a little misleading as well given that it ignores the outlay to get those players in the first place.

Bonucci - Sold for €42m, bought back for €35
Caldara - Bought for €19m, sold for €35
Lemina - Bought for €9.80, sold for €17.25
Benatia - Bought for €20 (inc. loan fee), sold for €8m
Spinazzola - a weird swap deal in everything but name. Roma bought Spinazzola for €30m, sell Luca Pellegrini for €22m though with incentives.
Hernanes - Bought for €13m, sold for €8m
Pereyra - Bought for €15m, sold for €13m
Morata - Bought for €20m, sold for €30m (Real exercised buyback clause), then sold to Chelsea for €66m

Juventus are bankrolled by Agnelli plus money they make from their stadium and recent success in CL and dominance of the league, they have made some decent free agent signings over the last few years but they're no different to Real, City, Utd etc. in reality.

rob316 · 09-07-2019 10:21pm

How much do PSG want for neymar? More than they paid?

Harry Palmr · 09-07-2019 10:34pm

220m, the guy is injury prone and nearly 30 already (seems like only yesterday he was the big new thing).

In other news, poor old Eriksen is being left on the shelf it seems. Off on tour with Spurs as no offers have come in for him.

NIMAN · 09-07-2019 10:52pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

In other news, poor old Eriksen is being left on the shelf it seems. Off on tour with Spurs as no offers have come in for him.

Its simple, he's not worth the money that was being touted, nowhere close.

ERG89 · 09-07-2019 11:09pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

220m, the guy is injury prone and nearly 30 already

He turned 27 in February so not quite unless 2 & 1/2 years is a short time.

NIMAN wrote: »

Its simple, he's not worth the money that was being touted, nowhere close.

He can be signed for nothing by a European club in a few months so why pay an unrealistically dumb fee now

xtal191 · 10-07-2019 12:17am

https://twitter.com/adriandelmonte/status/1148706619594825730

eagle eye · 10-07-2019 12:28am

That's mental.I think Jiminez is a class act so I'm not sure this is a good move.

~Rebel~ · 10-07-2019 12:28am

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/adriandelmonte/status/1148706619594825730

Innnnteresting! Better fit for them than he would have been at Everton. They already have great options up front too, so can manage his game time after all his recent injuries.

Agent Coulson · 10-07-2019 12:30am

Wolves were the one team I expected to make a lot of moves this summer to try and break into the top 6 so far that's the link I've seen with them.

martyos121 · 10-07-2019 12:58am

If they can complete that move for Costa and keep him fit and motivated, Wolves are very much in the race for a top 6 spot, Leicester too. Those are a couple of really nice squads with good managers.

You’d expect City and Liverpool to fight for the title once again and pull away from the chasing pack, but the battle for the four places beneath them is starting to get really interesting. I fancy Leicester in particular to have a crack at it if they spend the Maguire money wisely, assuming he leaves at all.

10-07-2019 2:04am

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

This is more than a little misleading as well given that it ignores the outlay to get those players in the first place.

Bonucci - Sold for €42m, bought back for €35
Caldara - Bought for €19m, sold for €35
Lemina - Bought for €9.80, sold for €17.25
Benatia - Bought for €20 (inc. loan fee), sold for €8m
Spinazzola - a weird swap deal in everything but name. Roma bought Spinazzola for €30m, sell Luca Pellegrini for €22m though with incentives.
Hernanes - Bought for €13m, sold for €8m
Pereyra - Bought for €15m, sold for €13m
Morata - Bought for €20m, sold for €30m (Real exercised buyback clause), then sold to Chelsea for €66m

Juventus are bankrolled by Agnelli plus money they make from their stadium and recent success in CL and dominance of the league, they have made some decent free agent signings over the last few years but they're no different to Real, City, Utd etc. in reality.

I wasn't trying to mislead by saying they get more in that they spend, I suppose the point I was trying to make they do tend to sell at the right time for the most part. I am a Milan fan so I am in no way trying to praise them too highly here!

Trigger · 10-07-2019 7:25am

On Costa, it's being falsely reported that he has agreed with Wolves, basically because Mendes is his agent

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/1148636108445687808?s=19

10-07-2019 8:07am

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/adriandelmonte/status/1148706619594825730

I'd argue Wolves are a better prospect than Everton at the moment.
That's a very good signing for them.

el Fenomeno · 10-07-2019 8:17am

I don't know. Wolves have a good thing going and I don't think they need to be taking a risk on a character like Costa. They have enough financial clout and links now to make more sensible singings. Andre Silva who they've been linked to for obvious reasons would be a much better signing IMO.

pjohnson · 10-07-2019 8:37am

Costa could do way more harm than good to Wolves.

10-07-2019 8:39am

pjohnson wrote: »

Costa could do way more harm than good to Wolves.

Maybe, he's a bit screw lose at times alright

dr.kenneth noisewater · 10-07-2019 8:50am

I see Lindelof to Barca on the back of the Indo this morning, first I'd heard of it!

irishguitarlad · 10-07-2019 8:53am

Valencia have confirmed the signing of Maxi Gomez, a great buy by them. 14.5 million he costed and Santi Mina goes to Celta as well. Valencia are coming again.

pjohnson · 10-07-2019 9:07am

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Valencia have confirmed the signing of Maxi Gomez, a great buy by them. 14.5 million he costed and Santi Mina goes to Celta as well. Valencia are coming again.

Hurts west ham tho. Only Chicharito left as a striker and he is apparently tryna be used as a trade to help them get Thauvin.

NIMAN · 10-07-2019 10:06am

ERG89 wrote: »

He can be signed for nothing by a European club in a few months so why pay an unrealistically dumb fee now

I wouldn't be surprised if he has already agreed to join Madrid behind the scenes, and is just seeing out his time until go's contract runs out.

the whole year inn · 10-07-2019 11:57am

NIMAN wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if he has already agreed to join Madrid behind the scenes, and is just seeing out his time until go's contract runs out.

That not illigal?

eagle eye · 10-07-2019 2:44pm

el Fenomeno wrote:

I don't know. Wolves have a good thing going and I don't think they need to be taking a risk on a character like Costa. They have enough financial clout and links now to make more sensible singings. Andre Silva who they've been linked to for obvious reasons would be a much better signing IMO.

Fully agree with this. I prefer Jiminez to Costa anyway. Costa is a potential bad egg too, not what you want in the dressing room.

JPA · 10-07-2019 2:49pm

Costa is nuts on the field but have only heard good things about him off it.

NIMAN · 10-07-2019 6:20pm

the whole year inn wrote: »

That not illigal?

Only if it becomes public knowledge.

You not think this has happened in the past?

Fitz* · 10-07-2019 9:40pm

Every single transfer happens illegally these days.

The days of asking of agreeing a fee with a club for a player and then going and offering a contract to a player are well gone these days.

Blinky Plebum · 10-07-2019 9:43pm

Personal terms always seem to be agreed before a bid has even been accepted, can't remember the last time you heard the line " the transfer fell through due to the player not being able to agree personal terms", this used to happen a fair bit in the 90's.

Deub · 10-07-2019 10:16pm

A friend of mine thinks Griezmann will go to Bayern. I wouldn't be too surprised if it happens.

Barca may decide to take Neymar only. Hernandez who have just moved from Athletico to Bayern could also be a factor for Griezmann as they are also teammates in the French national team.

LiamoSail · 10-07-2019 10:48pm

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Personal terms always seem to be agreed before a bid has even been accepted, can't remember the last time you heard the line " the transfer fell through due to the player not being able to agree personal terms", this used to happen a fair bit in the 90's.

It happened, though was later resolved last week with Turnbull and Celtic.

LiamoSail · 10-07-2019 10:51pm

Deub wrote: »

A friend of mine thinks Griezmann will go to Bayern. I wouldn't be too surprised if it happens.

Barca may decide to take Neymar only. Hernandez who have just moved from Athletico to Bayern could also be a factor for Griezmann as they are also teammates in the French national team.

Barca would be better off spending either the Griezmann or Neymar money on a manager. A Guadiola or a Klopp. I know it won’t happen, but appointing either would do more for their chances of success over the next few years than Neymar or Groezmann will.

LiamoSail · 10-07-2019 10:52pm

It’s hard to think of two more dislikable personalities than Neymar and Griezmann. They make Suarez look like a decent, well rounded individual

eagle eye · 10-07-2019 11:16pm

LiamoSail wrote:

Itâ€™s hard to think of two more dislikable personalities than Neymar and Griezmann. They make Suarez look like a decent, well rounded individual

No, they certainly do not do that.

LiamoSail · 10-07-2019 11:43pm

eagle eye wrote: »

No, they certainly do not do that.

I beg to differ. A face you'd never tire of punching

~Rebel~ · 11-07-2019 12:38am

eagle eye wrote: »

No, they certainly do not do that.

Don't have a problem with Griezmann particularly, but Neymar's carry on off the field (well, and on the field, like punching a fan) over the past 2 years paints him as a fairly rubbish human being in fairness.

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