General Rugby Discussion II

Former Former · 21-06-2019 2:32pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

seriously???

have you not seen the absolute cliff-fall decline in church going?
have you not seen the over whelming ass kicking those conservative views have gotten in recent referendums?

there is a serious ground swell, in this country at least, against those conservative views... especially among the older age group that would be considered most conservative.

the church in its current guise is dying a death here in ireland

I'll reply in the off-topic thread per Mod instruction.

dregin · 22-06-2019 3:14pm

Was out in O'Neill's factory shop on the long mile road earlier and was surprised to find a load of Brumbies gear. The tops are far better than the rubbish Adidas have been churning out for Leinster and Munster of late. Would be nice to see one of the provinces go with the Irish brand. I assume Adidas are paying to make the tops, though.

Burkie1203 · 24-06-2019 6:43am

Lol

https://twitter.com/SBSNews/status/1142956471077916673?s=19

Dog Botherer · 24-06-2019 7:42am

at a certain point it’s just funny

24-06-2019 7:43am

Hilarious but quite harsh.

Eod100 · 24-06-2019 8:54am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hilarious but quite harsh.

Not all all, them's the rules. For a person who follows arbitrary rules on how to live his life he doesn't seem great at reading the ts and cs.

Former Former · 24-06-2019 9:05am

This is the same situation as Diageo/Jackson. GoFundMe just didn't want the bad association. Nobody cared about the T&C when everyone thought it would flop.

But becoming big news and closing in on a million dollarydoos after less than a week, that wasn't going to fly.

irishbucsfan · 24-06-2019 9:19am

They’ll get the money, gofundme aren’t the only option.

It may not be as much but if he doesn’t want to pay his legal fees he won’t have to, this will martyr him on the Bible Belt.

Dave_The_Sheep · 24-06-2019 10:14am

There was no obligation for him to spend the money on the legal fees anyway. He could as easily pocket it and say "oh, it didn't cost that much, this is going to my 'church' now".

24-06-2019 11:04am

Read a twitter thread about it earlier. It had slowed after around 300k but then a few significant donors came in and put up larger sums.

It's also come out over the weekend that Folau has 4-5 million in property and that this fund can be used for whatever he wants, not just legal fees which is going to hit donations or re-donations at this point.

I called it harsh because he won't get anything raised so far, people are entitled to waste their money if they wish - seems unfair to cancel after so much was raised.

Eod100 · 24-06-2019 12:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Read a twitter thread about it earlier. It had slowed after around 300k but then a few significant donors came in and put up larger sums.

It's also come out over the weekend that Folau has 4-5 million in property and that this fund can be used for whatever he wants, not just legal fees which is going to hit donations or re-donations at this point.

I called it harsh because he won't get anything raised so far, people are entitled to waste their money if they wish - seems unfair to cancel after so much was raised.

Up to platform to decide if he breaches rules though. Were all those people fully aware that he wasn't obliged to spend it on legal fund before giving? Or about the property? Wouldn't be the first case of platform cancelling after significant sum was raised. Not his until received and even then with legal action would imagine there would be some mechanism to claw some of it back. He'll probably start another drive and get people to donate again anyways

Former Former · 24-06-2019 2:12pm

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

There was no obligation for him to spend the money on the legal fees anyway. He could as easily pocket it and say "oh, it didn't cost that much, this is going to my 'church' now".

This is the case for all crowdfunding.

People just want to think Folau will rip his supporters off, gives them even more reason to hate him and even more reason to feel better about themselves.

24-06-2019 2:42pm

Former Former wrote: »

This is the case for all crowdfunding.

People just want to think Folau will rip his supporters off, gives them even more reason to hate him and even more reason to feel better about themselves.

Nah, the guy has been hypocritical and inconsistent with the application of his beliefs, he's just another bigot.

And religions and religious preachers are known the world over for ripping people off. Look at the superchurches in America, "god needs me to have another plane".

I think the shoe fits. I still think it's unreasonable to allow a fund get so far and then hit the reset switch, he'll never recover the same amount again. I think him being treated with distrust and disdain is otherwise justified.

Eod100 · 24-06-2019 2:45pm

Former Former wrote: »

This is the case for all crowdfunding.

People just want to think Folau will rip his supporters off, gives them even more reason to hate him and even more reason to feel better about themselves.

Yes but now many other cases are about raising legal feels after being terminated by employer? And how many people have significant property portfolios? Nobody knows what he would do but I can see why people are skeptical. The platforms statement attributed it to not supporting discriminatory campaigns as is their prerogative. You're free to give him the benefit of the doubt but I can see why people aren't as generous

Jupiter Mulligan · 24-06-2019 3:39pm

Bazzo wrote: »

God will provide.

Isn't that almost exactly what he said when he turned down the "go away" money offer from the ARU?

Squidgy Black · 24-06-2019 4:23pm

Reported leak of the All Blacks RWC jersey.

razorblunt · 24-06-2019 4:28pm

Looks like a Ted Baker tshirt.

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2019 6:23pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Reported leak of the All Blacks RWC jersey.

Bit too much black for me

Bazzo · 24-06-2019 10:55pm

The real question is whether Folau is going to crowdfund a legal campaign against gofundme for discriminating against him because of his religion.

stephen_n · 25-06-2019 7:59am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Reported leak of the All Blacks RWC jersey.

Looks more like a training top

stephen_n · 25-06-2019 8:17am

Ferris joining the Luke Fitzgerald camp here.

."Maybe slightly for me, there’s too much of an English feel around this Irish team at the minute," he said.

Squidgy Black · 25-06-2019 9:08am

stephen_n wrote: »

Ferris joining the Luke Fitzgerald camp here.

Yeah that's nonsense considering the coaches leaving the setup were New Zealanders and he never raised his concern before that. Other than Catt and Farrell, unless he's counting Easterby in the 'English' camp, he's definitely just stirring the pot.

bilston · 25-06-2019 10:41am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Yeah that's nonsense considering the coaches leaving the setup were New Zealanders and he never raised his concern before that. Other than Catt and Farrell, unless he's counting Easterby in the 'English' camp, he's definitely just stirring the pot.

Sure Catt's not even English anyway 🙂

Former Former · 25-06-2019 12:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the shoe fits. I still think it's unreasonable to allow a fund get so far and then hit the reset switch, he'll never recover the same amount again. I think him being treated with distrust and disdain is otherwise justified.

New fundraiser has passed $1.4 million dollars...

Squidgy Black · 25-06-2019 12:53pm

Former Former wrote: »

New fundraiser has passed $1.4 million dollars...

The Australian Christian Lobby one will definitely keep jumping up, primarily because there's complete anonymity to the public in terms of donation amounts.

I mean the largest donation he got for the gofundme one was 10k, the ACL alone donated 100k to start it off.

Dave_The_Sheep · 25-06-2019 1:16pm

Hardly surprising in this day and age.

errlloyd · 25-06-2019 1:20pm

It's no bad thing for the law to be tested in this instance anyway. Might hit Australian rugby a little if they lose the case, but if Folou wins or loses it will end up clarifying a changing piece of jurisprudence in Australia.