A Young Entrepreneur's Journey

TheCostumeShop.ie: Ronan wrote: »

I think this is quite an immature reply Lincoln98. Especially since you didn't Mention your full name, Date of Birth or Gender.

Someone has given you feedback and you disagree with it, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take it on board and try to see their point of view. The poster has a valid point / opinion and you've chosen not to consider it.

I've never in the course of business brought up my religious beliefs, it just something that doesn't really belong in business - by this I mean I would not (or be allowed to) discriminate on the basis of religion. Yet you believe this is so important you lead with this - others don't. You also chose not to mention your nationality for example, but I'm gonna guess you are not Irish. Or for that matter the other information you mention was important (but probably isn't).

Say someone gave you the charity you asked for (It was not a "pitch" as that implies you were offering value to them by you lodging in their home for free to purse your dreams - you havent mentioned whats in it for the person who would be paying for your lodging) and offered you an internship. Would you start judging their clients as having attitudes of "as long as it fattens the wallet, go for it!" and intend to not associate with them then? Hence insulting their customers and loosing sales for your company?

One General Rule is you don't talk religion or politics outside of specific places where its suitable (church etc). Particularity in Ireland where our History has horrid situations where people have died just because they grew up with a set of beliefs or on a certain side of a road associated with a religion.

Look we aren't saying your religion is a bad thing. What we are saying is legally business people can't make decisions, award contracts or exclude someone from lodging (in the case of a landlord) based on their religion. As such, you shouldn't have led with that or included it in your opening ask. Maybe if it was a couch surfing thread that might be ok, but this is a business forum.

Whats happen here is you've implied that you are in a position to look down on people due to your perceived superior religious beliefs.

This is a learning forum, so if you aren't here to learn about the topic of business and prepared to at least consider more experienced contributors advice, I think you'd be better off on couch surfing websites where people offer free lodging without offering feedback of a business nature. Hopefully you will see this longer than expected reply as feedback that helps you avoid loosing opportunities in future.

Good-day, Ronan.

Thank you for your comment. I must state, however, that you have misunderstood me.

My name and age are one of the first things mentioned in the OP.

I did consider Danger781's opinion/feedback, and it is acknowledged. That I am convinced of different in no way dictates close-mindedness. We all have different opinions but yet disagree - respectfully.

Dan Pena is convinced work comes first and foremost, but Richard Branson encourages teamwork makes the dream work;. These both are successful individuals with different opinions/values. Though having different applications to business, one does not call out the other as being foolish in his choice.
My point in case being, not bringing up your religion is a personal decision of yours, even as pointing out mine is (because I consider it an intrinsic part of my life).

Talking about one's belief or not is a personal decision, dear Ronan, not a business policy.
As a virtuous man would not declare himself single in the midst of other women but clearly show himself married, I mention that I am a Christian. His wife is not a separate entity to Him but, since marriage, a part of Him.

Also, with all due respect, your presumption on my nationality is quite flimsy. I find no need of having to state whether I am Irish or not. It is not necessary for the purpose.

I do not count it a pitch. I merely regarded it as so because Danger781 called it so - I merely stayed on topic.

The accommodator and the intern provider are two separate entities, as I mentioned in the post - a place to stay *whilst* until I get an internship.
Also, my post was/is not a demand for permanent free residence. My mention of looking for a job pointed that out, I believe.
Even deciding to allow me stay in for free until I get an internship/job would be a great service and tremendous charity. Surely, I cannot be so selfish as to abuse that selfless act by expecting it remain fixed - NO - I must respect the decision and action of the benefactor by ensuring I get a job and footing in the bill. The cost of rent (if the home be not owned), gas, water, food, and electricity are no joke. I must express my gratitude.
I supposed I had made all these clear in the OP; I guess not. My sincere apologies.

You seem to have misunderstood what I meant by "as long as it flattens the wallet, go for it!".
"It makes me rich? Good. God for it! Even though it
•comes at the severe expense of my employees
•is me defrauding another
•involves making dubious deals
•is illegal
•etc
I believe every person, yourself included, would agree with this premise of mine (and its likes)

The reality of there being a good number of business people who point out their religious belief only brings to naught your claim that it does not belong in business.
Donald Trump, Philip Ng, (the phenomenal) Jim Rohn, S. Truett Cathy, Colonel Sanders, and Pat Robertson - to name a few.
Also, just as christianity may have been abused (by selfish, self-righteous individuals), politics also has been; education also has been; science also has been; construction also has been; even business also has been - my, the sheer number of indigenous residents who have died from big corporations coming to their lands for the sake of oil, destroying their ecosystem & poisoning their water, leaving the residents in the mercy of disease, hunger, and death.
We cannot come to exclusively peg a thing based on the foolishness of a handful. As vile persons have abused, in the guise of the tag "Christian", so a great many have done good, walking as true Christians.

My heart goes out to every individual and nation which has lost dearly by the hands of major forces, be it religion or business; but we cannot come to allow emotions as the driving force of reason.

No where in my OP or my response to Danger781 did I state, or even make an allusion, to that claim. I would not dare. I merely, in the former, stated that I am a Christian, and in the latter explained why I stated I am; not once considering others as being inferior or making my beliefs as superior. That would be immature. If not agreeing with greed, covetousness, dubiousness, and immoral schemes is me looking down on people - as opposed to disapproving what is not right - then I fear for humanity's way of thinking.


An advice and a opinion is an advice and a opinion. But to be of the mind that not accepting it is close-mindedness is wrong. Even in business it applies, a million advimes may be given - even good and helpful - but careful not to take all, or risk being confused. That is why having 1 or 2 mentors is all there should be and not 20 industry-expert mentors.

Two persons may, rightfully, respectfully disagree.

Business is not a field one's religious stand is not mentioned, nor to be mentioned. Let us not deem it so.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in my letting people know I am a Christian; what would be wrong is dominating the conversation with religion and not business.


Again, thank you for your comment. It is much appreciated. Rest assured, I did consider Danger781's comment. My not agreeing is not being close-minded nor is it a vice. There is nothing wrong with disagreement, as long as done respectfully.

Thank you again, Danger781. You too, Ronan. I apologise in whatever way my previous comment may have been misunderstood.

My utmost gratitude for again.

Do have a lovely day.

Good-day, alroley.

I am not American, no.

Cheers:).