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01-11-2018, 00:52   #6271
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Bollix and you know it.
Christ you are angry aren't you?

Can't even react to a joke properly.
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01-11-2018, 03:17   #6272
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Christ you are angry aren't you?

Can't even react to a joke properly.
When you hope that a 13/14 year old kid doesn't make it as a professional then you know you've got issues
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They should of tied him down and capped him for 5 mins somewhere just like Grealish a mistake from O Neill-Learn the lessons and cap these plastic paddys for 5 mins before they change their minds
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This is not MON fault. There is a hell of a lot of issues with MON but it's stupid and cheap to batter him with this
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01-11-2018, 08:32   #6275
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This is not MON fault. There is a hell of a lot of issues with MON but it's stupid and cheap to batter him with this
He pulled out of the first squad that would have meant he was tied to us but sure it's someone else's fault

He'd have done the exact same if they tried to cap him earlier.
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He pulled out of the first squad that would have meant he was tied to us but sure it's someone else's fault

He'd have done the exact same if they tried to cap him earlier.
We really dont know that.
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He wasn't pulled out. He didn't make the cut against the other experienced international 8 or 9 midfielders who had been with us for the last few years. Perfectly reasonabless that an 18 year old with a few (albeit impressive ) PL games under his belt going into the final few games of a tight campaign doesn't make the cut. Let alone be thrown in at the deep end.

Especially when there was no soundings that he may defect.

Show me the posts or reports at the time saying MON was playing with fire here.


Edit: I misread what you said Fullstop. I wrongfully assumed you meant he was pulled out of the qualifying squad last Autumn where people are now saying MON is to blame for not giving him his "lock him in" cameo, using the hindsight method.

I do think he would not have pulled out of the squad last Autumn as I don't believe he was considering defecting then. So it's a pity but MON had every right and can't be hounded for not including him in the final 23, never mind playing him in those crucial games.

A lot has happened in the interim to change his allegiance to the WC semi finalists. ..

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Three players who had a history with Irish teams have turned us down publically under the “management” of MON and Keane, including one with 3 international caps.

Has even one turned us down previously?? And I’m talking about those who came up via underage system, not Mark Noble etc.
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Three players who had a history with Irish teams have turned us down publically under the “management” of MON and Keane, including one with 3 international caps.

Has even one turned us down previously?? And I’m talking about those who came up via underage system, not Mark Noble etc.
Yeh nothing to see here though. All factors MON the FAI and RK could not have influenced. RK calling and English born player a wanker in front of Rice defo didnt influence his decision. Nope.
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MON has always said he was giving the player plenty of space and time to make his mind up. Based on reports Southgate hasnt done the same and has been aggressive in his recruiting.

Martin pick up the phone and get an answer once and for all. Do your job.
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MON has always said he was giving the player plenty of space and time to make his mind up. Based on reports Southgate hasnt done the same and has been aggressive in his recruiting.

Martin pick up the phone and get an answer once and for all. Do your job.
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01-11-2018, 12:50   #6283
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Yeh nothing to see here though. All factors MON the FAI and RK could not have influenced. RK calling and English born player a wanker in front of Rice defo didnt influence his decision. Nope.
Some people just cannot see the wood for the trees.

The problem isn't that Rice chose to play for England. The problem is that the set up in this country made it easy for him to decide.

England are a country on the up, they have an excellent young set up, they have a young manager who promotes younger players and some real quality coming through the ranks (demonstrated by their u-20 World Cup win last year). When you have such optimism, is it any wonder that Rice had his head turned when Southgate sat him down and went to such trouble to explain how much he wanted the player, and where he saw him in his plans? Can you imagine Martin or Roy doing anything similar?
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Yeh nothing to see here though. All factors MON the FAI and RK could not have influenced. RK calling and English born player a wanker in front of Rice defo didnt influence his decision. Nope.
Some people just cannot see the wood for the trees.

The problem isn't that Rice chose to play for England. The problem is that the set up in this country made it easy for him to decide.

England are a country on the up, they have an excellent young set up, they have a young manager who promotes younger players and some real quality coming through the ranks (demonstrated by their u-20 World Cup win last year). When you have such optimism, is it any wonder that Rice had his head turned when Southgate sat him down and went to such trouble to explain how much he wanted the player, and where he saw him in his plans? Can you imagine Martin or Roy doing anything similar?
There’s no evidence to suggest this has been an easy process so I don’t know where you got that one.
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Those born in 2000, currently anyone who qualifies for our u19s team will be underage for this tournament if we qualify as hosts. Even more reason imo to give Noel King the boot and let Tom Mohan work with those who'll be underage for the next few years.
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