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212km daily commute possible in a Kona/Niro?
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12-09-2018 7:03pm#1Can someone do this maths for me, not sure how to calculate it. I live 106km from the office in Dublin according to Google (mostly motorway and National roads on M50). Google reckons this is an 80 minute drive.
Currently stuck getting the train from Edgeworthstown roughly 4 days a week so it is a long commute. With the 10 minute darts introduced this week they seem to have really bolloxed up the timetable, adding up to 30 mins each way onto my journey so far. If they increase my annual ticket again this year it is definitely enough to push me over the edge
With a Kona or Niro, is it possible to do this commute and avoid the charging network all together? There would be no charging at work so I would have to charge exclusively at home at night. 212km of driving at motorway speeds most of the way would deplete the battery by roughly how much? And what percentage would it be restored by if it's charging at home?
It's just a pipe dream right now!0
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Good timing on your question.
Bjorn's most recent video about the Niro EV does a range test at motorway speed..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXHpPgycx1Q
Probably able to get circa 320 KMs from a single charge at 120 KMPH etc..
Imagine Kona would do better (as its smaller / lighter)..
Here's some info on charging times...
Maybe if you can charge at home overnight for somewhere between 8 - 10 hours approx you'd be ok..
Niro looks to be excellent if you can stretch that bit more (presuming it'll cost slightly more than Kona)..
Kona nice too but I personally think its too small & should have been larger (slightly). Just depends what you need though...
https://ev-database.uk/car/1125/Kia-Niro-EV-Long-RangeDesperateDan wrote: »Can someone do this maths for me, not sure how to calculate it. I live 106km from the office in Dublin according to Google (mostly motorway and National roads on M50). Google reckons this is an 80 minute drive.
Currently stuck getting the train from Edgeworthstown roughly 4 days a week so it is a long commute. With the 10 minute darts introduced this week they seem to have really bolloxed up the timetable, adding up to 30 mins each way onto my journey so far. If they increase my annual ticket again this year it is definitely enough to push me over the edge
With a Kona or Niro, is it possible to do this commute and avoid the charging network all together? There would be no charging at work so I would have to charge exclusively at home at night. 212km of driving at motorway speeds most of the way would deplete the battery by roughly how much? And what percentage would it be restored by if it's charging at home?
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DesperateDan wrote: »Can someone do this maths for me, not sure how to calculate it. I live 106km from the office in Dublin according to Google (mostly motorway and National roads on M50). Google reckons this is an 80 minute drive.
Currently stuck getting the train from Edgeworthstown roughly 4 days a week so it is a long commute. With the 10 minute darts introduced this week they seem to have really bolloxed up the timetable, adding up to 30 mins each way onto my journey so far. If they increase my annual ticket again this year it is definitely enough to push me over the edge
With a Kona or Niro, is it possible to do this commute and avoid the charging network all together? There would be no charging at work so I would have to charge exclusively at home at night. 212km of driving at motorway speeds most of the way would deplete the battery by roughly how much? And what percentage would it be restored by if it's charging at home?
It's just a pipe dream right now!
That commute would be no problem in a Niro or Kona. They will probably do that commute twice for you without charging as you wont be at 120km/h for the entire commute so they should be able to do 400km+ without charging. You would however charge every night to be sure.
Assuming you average about 14kWh/100km and allowing 10% for charging losses you would be looking at 15.4kWh/100km so that would be ~33kWh of electricity that you would need to get into the car each night at home. Kona and Niro have 64kWh usable so you have plenty spare capacity and it will charge to 100% each night.
That will cost you, assuming night rate electricity of 8c/kWh, €2.61 per day so about €650/yr just for your commute 5 days a week 48wks a year.
You would charge at 7kW so it will take just under 5hrs to charge it, so well within the 9hrs of the night rate electricity.
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Bit of a kne jerk reaction. I’m sure there’s just settling in issues with the DART. Give it a monthDesperateDan wrote: »Can someone do this maths for me, not sure how to calculate it. I live 106km from the office in Dublin according to Google (mostly motorway and National roads on M50). Google reckons this is an 80 minute drive.
Currently stuck getting the train from Edgeworthstown roughly 4 days a week so it is a long commute. With the 10 minute darts introduced this week they seem to have really bolloxed up the timetable, adding up to 30 mins each way onto my journey so far. If they increase my annual ticket again this year it is definitely enough to push me over the edge
With a Kona or Niro, is it possible to do this commute and avoid the charging network all together? There would be no charging at work so I would have to charge exclusively at home at night. 212km of driving at motorway speeds most of the way would deplete the battery by roughly how much? And what percentage would it be restored by if it's charging at home?
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Bit of a kne jerk reaction. I’m sure there’s just settling in issues with the DART. Give it a month
Don't worry Ted an EV has been on the cards for about 2 years now I've been biding my time and waiting for the tech and the money
Its just the extra 40 mins that's been added to my trip the last couple of days has given me extra time to think about it
I was actually not really considering commuting until recently. Sure its great chilling out on the train, getting some work done. But when it's now taking me 5.5 hours a day vs 3 hours door to door, and costing a lot more that benefit is quickly mooted.0 -
That commute would be no problem in a Niro or Kona. They will probably do that commute twice for you without charging as you wont be at 120km/h for the entire commute so they should be able to do 400km+ without charging. You would however charge every night to be sure.
Assuming you average about 14kWh/100km and allowing 10% for charging losses you would be looking at 15.4kWh/100km so that would be ~33kWh of electricity that you would need to get into the car each night at home. Kona and Niro have 64kWh usable so you have plenty spare capacity and it will charge to 100% each night.
That will cost you, assuming night rate electricity of 8c/kWh, €2.61 per day so about €650/yr just for your commute 5 days a week 48wks a year.
You would charge at 7kW so it will take just under 5hrs to charge it, so well within the 9hrs of the night rate electricity.
Hope that helps.
Wow KCross this is basically a perfect answer to all my questions thankyou. Roll on 64kwh EVs 0 -
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DesperateDan wrote: »Roll on 64kwh EVs
They're here
If you are serious, you have to get yourself on a pre-waiting list now and make sure your dealer knows you are ready to do the deal and pay the deposit the day they are released for ordering. In other EU countries where they went for sale in the last few months like Norway and the Netherlands, they were sold out almost immediately and if you lost out, you'd have to wait for at least a year for the next batch.0 -
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Really you don't need to worry about the battery at all. There's 8 years warranty on it and the BMS will protect it. The only thing that I would consider is not to leave the car at 100% SOC for weeks on end without driving it
Thanks for that info - appreciate it.
Great to know.
Being a new watcher / interested party to the world of EV's - I was being over cautious
This is a really good forum - thanks for all the contributors. I'm learning a lot every day.0 -
They're here
If you are serious, you have to get yourself on a pre-waiting list now and make sure your dealer knows you are ready to do the deal and pay the deposit the day they are released for ordering. In other EU countries where they went for sale in the last few months like Norway and the Netherlands, they were sold out almost immediately and if you lost out, you'd have to wait for at least a year for the next batch.
Has anyone we know of heard anything official from Kia yet? Still under the impression the dealers themselves don't even know it exists, although I haven't talked to any yet myself.0 -
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