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Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

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  • #92
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    It's actually frightening now that one has to be so careful when dealing with the public for fear of being recorded.
    Where is this going to end?


  • #93
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    If people are allowed to just say stuff what is stopping me paying for the whole area to be leafleted with the story of the event and calling on them to name this date or cctv or whatever they claim it was. And prove it’s not just anti English nonsense


  • #94
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I was recording myself and as I am aware that is fine...quality and training purposes

    The reason you hear the phrase “quality and training purposes” when you are being recorded is because they are obliged to tell you that you are being recorded


  • #95
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It will be useless as evidence if only your side of the conversation is there. You might have to call the ten or so drinkers as witnesses.

    No it is on my wrist. It is also a 4g phone so it pick up both parties very clearly. Great price of kit.


  • #96
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    No it is on my wrist. It is also a 4g phone so it pick up both parties very clearly. Great price of kit.

    Did you get permission from the other party to make the recording?


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  • #97
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    The 1993 Act amended the definition of “intercept” and, as a result, the current position in Irish law is that it is not illegal to record a conversation if one of the parties to the consents to the recording


    I consented


  • #98
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/oliver-connolly-is-wrong-sgt-mccabe-broke-no-laws-with-his-secret-recording-30073914.html


  • #99
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    got some case law or legislation on that ?

    If he was asked to leave and refused he wouldn't be arrested or trespassing .

    He could however be arrested under the public order act (which requires a public place )

    Not all sections of that act require a public place as I’m sure you know.trespass is included in the act.

    He wouldn’t be arrested for trespassing assuming he hasn’t done anything likely to cause fear in another person - he could in theory stand there until closing time while still not being served with neither party committing any offense. Closing time comes, liquor acts come into play.

    Of course you have a point as the Garda could interpret the pub to still be a public place - much easier to put an end to the situation using other sections of the public order act.


  • #100
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    My watch tells us what it was about.

    It'll all work itself out, just give it time. Totally off topic, I used to use cheesy chat up lines. You'd be surprised how often they work. On that topic but still off the original topic one I'd use frequently was 'the magic watch'. Never failed me, and I'm not a handsome chap in the conventional sense.


  • #101
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The 1993 Act amended the definition of “intercept” and, as a result, the current position in Irish law is that it is not illegal to record a conversation if one of the parties to the consents to the recording


    I consented

    You don't need any legal advice from the amateur lawyers here. You have it all worked out. You won't even need any professional legal advisers in court.

    I pity the poor bar owner.


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  • #102
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You don't need any legal advice from the amateur lawyers here. You have it all worked out. You won't even need any professional legal advisers in court.

    I pity the poor bar owner.

    I’d say I pay a company to leaflet every house in the neighborhood explaining the situation and calling on them to pony up with when we know doesn’t exist or come clean and apologies.


  • #103
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I’d say I pay a company to leaflet every house in the neighborhood explaining the situation and calling on them to pony up with when we know doesn’t exist or come clean and apologies.
    Make sure to leave out the unproven anti english elements of your complaint which could of course be considered defamatory


  • #104
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I’d say I pay a company to leaflet every house in the neighborhood explaining the situation and calling on them to pony up with when we know doesn’t exist or come clean and apologies.

    Just make sure the delivery people respect the No Junk Mail notices on houses.


  • #105
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Why didnt you start a fight and get barred for real


  • #106
    CeilingFly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    Answer to op is yes you can.

    The question is, will you win?

    What is your loss that you want to be compensated for and can you prove that loss.

    Are you willing to wait 3 years for the case to come up and are you willing to pay the legal fees if you lose?

    So, of course you can sue them, but the reality is that unless it was very public and has caused you substantial loss, the costs, time investment and hassle will not be worth it and it is relatively easy to frustrate such a case and drag it on for 5+ years.


  • #107
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Make sure to leave out the unproven anti english elements of your complaint which could of course be considered defamatory

    Of course. You just explain you are a UK national of exemplary character who frequented the place a number of times for a glass once in a while. You knew nobody or engaged with anyone there. The continue to explain your horror and offer a reward if anyone can offer any evidence to back the allegations made against you and your good name as the premises itself has now retreated to silence once they were called up on their fabrication. ...

    I’d say it would make you scan over it a bit longer the the lastest pizza menu or the local TD news


  • #108
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    CeilingFly wrote: »
    Answer to op is yes you can.

    The question is, will you win?

    What is your loss that you want to be compensated for and can you prove that loss.

    Are you willing to wait 3 years for the case to come up and are you willing to pay the legal fees if you lose?

    So, of course you can sue them, but the reality is that unless it was very public and has caused you substantial loss, the costs, time investment and hassle will not be worth it and it is relatively easy to frustrate such a case and drag it on for 5+ years.
    You can call them out publicaly in many way as I said in my last post. I am leaving the city premanatly soon and will not be returning for some time so I have no issue on it being common knowledge it is me calling them out.


  • #109
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Of course. You just explain you are a UK national of exemplary character who frequented the place a number of times for a glass once in a while. You knew nobody or engaged with anyone there. The continue to explain your horror and offer a reward if anyone can offer any evidence to back the allegations made against you and your good name as the premises itself has now retreated to silence once they were called up on their fabrication. ...

    I’d say it would make you scan over it a bit longer the the lastest pizza menu or the local TD news

    What type of evidence? Eye witness account do?


  • #110
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Of course. You just explain you are a UK national of exemplary character who frequented the place a number of times for a glass once in a while. You knew nobody or engaged with anyone there. The continue to explain your horror and offer a reward if anyone can offer any evidence to back the allegations made against you and your good name as the premises itself has now retreated to silence once they were called up on their fabrication. ...

    I’d say it would make you scan over it a bit longer the the lastest pizza menu or the local TD news

    Yes, best to say UK instead of English.


  • #111
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    What type of evidence? Eye witness account do?

    Of what...an event that didn’t happen. Easy. When did it happen...coached witness says agreed time and date. I produce a airline ticket and a record of me in Iraq or whatever at that time. Yeah they haven’t a clue where they are going with this.


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  • #112
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Of what...an event that didn’t happen. Easy. When did it happen...coached witness says agreed time and date. I produce a airline ticket and a record of me in Iraq or whatever at that time. Yeah they haven’t a clue where they are going with this.

    What conditions will you have to claim the reward is the point I’m making?

    Edit: with a reward being offered plenty of characters in my local would have recollections of an english guy rowing in there, god knows what dates - only remember him from arguing over the value of bitcoin in Iraq


  • #113
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Of what...an event that didn’t happen. Easy. When did it happen...coached witness says agreed time and date. I produce a airline ticket and a record of me in Iraq or whatever at that time. Yeah they haven’t a clue where they are going with this.

    So far, they appear to be ahead. They barred you out of their premises, and you are on the internet at midnight moaning about it.


  • #114
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Yes, best to say UK instead of English.

    True, but it shouldn't be an issue, we're all from the British Isles ultimately.


  • #115
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Oh of interest Would discussing your work with your other half rack people off at the bar...if said work was uk military linked / contacrtor etc..?


  • #116
    Noveight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Jaysus, talk about petty focking pedantry.


  • #117
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    True, but it shouldn't be an issue, we're all from the British Isles ultimately.

    Some of the local residents could be from countries which had trouble with the English in the past, e.g. their patriotic football supporters.


  • #118
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Some of the local residents could be from countries which had trouble with the English in the past, e.g. their patriotic football supporters.

    Yes some view that this way with their English team shirts in pub to watch two English teams and their tattoos of English teams. Odd folk really.


  • #119
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Yes some view that this way with their English team shirts in pub to watch two English teams and their tattoos of English teams. Odd folk really.

    Very few English nationals play for those clubs.


  • #120
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Very few English nationals play for those clubs.

    Really? And this support is a sudden new thing because if this international influx of players. Get. Off .the. Stage.


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  • #121
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Yes some view that this way with their English team shirts in pub to watch two English teams and their tattoos of English teams. Odd folk really.
    Don’t say that out loud, some people record their conversations in case there’s a perceived slight they might want to pursue. We call them normal folk.


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