Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

1568101177

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I think 'defend' would already also itself be prejudice.
    I mean consider the matter in a balanced and objective way, and not just an uncritical jump on the bandwagon of condemnation.
    He may indeed deserve criticism, but I see no rational discussion of what appropriate behaviour really is, whether everyone is obliged to conform to what the majority determine is appropriate, or a deeper consideration of human nature.

    Sorry what? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. In the world I live in it's not okay to abuse women, sexually assault and exploit them for your pleasure and use them to inflate your power trip. That behaviour deserves nothing less than condemnation.

    If Harvey had denied these accusations you may
    have some point- but he didn't. He has admitted to being inappropriate, and pretty much blamed the culture of the time for allowing him. I really don't know what you're going on about. If you want to be "objective" and start a debate, nobody is stopping you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    What he did was wrong and he took advantage of women.

    Hope It comes back on him.

    But sadly I'm not surprised. Heard few rumbles about him years ago.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Anyway, weren't you the one that posted a clearly preplanned boob grab from Bundesvision Song Contest? Hell, even if we allow for naivety thinking it real, how does a boob grab between TV hosts (that's also being recorded) compare to women saying they were raped by Harvey Weinstein? It doesn't.

    Preplanned boob grab? You must have watched that without your glasses, though I see you've already tried to pre-emptively dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with you as naive.

    It wasn't a 'boob grab between TV hosts', the guy groped her and she reacted. That's quite the downplay there. It's been pretty clear to most who commented on it exactly what it was. Except you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Again: I wasn't posting the Jimmy Kimmel clip to compare to what Harvey has done. As I expect nor was whoever posted the clip of Affleck. I posted it as people were discussing Jimmy hosting the Oscars and well, there he is being sleazy, so not the best choice I'm thinking. Quit reading something into the posting of it that wasn't intended. Cheers.
    I wasn't referring to the Kimmel video which is exactly why I never quoted it, I was referring to what I did quote which was your statement that "Anyway, weren't you the one that posted a clearly preplanned boob grab from Bundesvision Song Contest? Hell, even if we allow for naivety thinking it real, how does a boob grab between TV hosts (that's also being recorded) compare to women saying they were raped by Harvey Weinstein? It doesn't."

    Boob grab = boob grab. That is what happened in the Bundesvision contest and that is what happened between the actress and Weinstein. They are the exact same thing.
    Well, look, I give credence to most of the women's stories I have heard so far (that allege Harvey has mistreated them in one way or another) but that Italian, Ambra Battilana (or whatever she is calling herself today) to which you refer, I don't. She comes across to me as a serial victim given that she has history of accusing older rich men of sexually assaulting her.

    I have listened to the tape by the way and while Harvey does admit touching her breast, we do not know in what context that occurred. Might very well have been an assault, if I had to bet, I'd say it was but it could also have happened in a more nefarious context entirely. Simply put: her credibility is lacking.

    No doubt there will be sneers about using the DM as a source for the above but the only other link was to an Italian site (Ilgiornale.it).

    Thankfully though, her story looks like it won't be all that necessary in order for Harvey to get his comeuppance, as there are women with much more credibility than her that have given their accounts of how he has mistreated them. Particularly, Mira.
    No context!? He literally tells her to "go to the bathroom" and "sit there" while "I have a shower" when the two of them are alone in or at the doorway of his hotel room (he explicitly tells her the bathroom is "over there" and she says "I want to go downstairs") because "it will only take one minute until the guy comes with my jacket" (then he later says "five minutes, don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes"), just days after touching her breast because as he says "I'm used to that" to which she expresses her own shock.

    https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/917765408412794880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vanityfair.com%2Fhollywood%2F2017%2F10%2Fharvey-weinstein-audio-tape


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Complete nonsense. They are not untouchable, that is just an excuse. These people need to be called out, not protected and people putting wealth before morality does not do it. Again I do not believe for years that no one else in Hollywood knew what this guy was doing outside of his victims. Plenty of them knew.

    https://twitter.com/Miss_Wisconsin/status/918178266984452097
    Interesting clip of pedophilia in Hollywood.

    In the New York case, even with a wire where he admitted to crimes. No case was opened. Powerful people can become effectively untouchable. It happened with Savile and it happened with Weinstein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Candie wrote: »
    It's been pretty clear to most who commented on it exactly what it was. Except you.

    It was set up and scripted. He's reading off an auto-cue and jokes about points and squeezes her. There would be no joke if he didn't and reading what he had wouldn't make sense. She didn't recoil for the very reason that it was planned. So was the slap. I remember the clip from years back and they played it up for ages that it was real, even the producers, but in the end they joked about it after as it became obvious. Look at it again. Particularly their expressions and body language. They work together all the time.

    Justin Timberlake and and Mila Kunis did a similar one at an awards show where he grabbed her boobs and then she grabbed his gropes his testicles.


    Anyway, I see Cara Delevingne has posted the following on Instagram:

    When I first started to work as an actress, i was working on a film and I received a call from‎ Harvey Weinstein asking if I had slept with any of the women I was seen out with in the media. It was a very odd and uncomfortable call....i answered none of his questions and hurried off the phone but before I hung up, he said to me that If I was gay or decided to be with a woman especially in public that I'd never get the role of a straight woman or make it as an actress in Hollywood.

    A year or two later, I went to a meeting with him in the lobby of a hotel with a director about an upcoming film. The director left the meeting and Harvey asked me to stay and chat with him. As soon as we were alone he began to brag about all the actresses he had slept with and how he had made their careers and spoke about other inappropriate things of a sexual nature.

    He then invited me to his room. I quickly declined and asked his assistant if my car was outside. She said it wasn't and wouldn't be for a bit and I should go to his room. At that moment I felt very powerless and scared but didn't want to act that way hoping that I was wrong about the situation.

    When I arrived I was relieved to find another woman in his room and thought immediately I was safe. He asked us to kiss and she began some sort of advances upon his direction. I swiftly got up and asked him if he knew that I could sing. And I began to sing....i thought it would make the situation better....more professional....like an audition....i was so nervous.

    After singing I said again that I had to leave. He walked me to the door and stood in front of it and tried to kiss me on the lips. I stopped him and managed to get out of the room. I still got the part for the film and always thought that he gave it to me because of what happened. Since then I felt awful that I did the movie. I felt like I didn't deserve the part. I was so hesitant about speaking out....I didn't want to hurt his family. I felt guilty as if I did something wrong.

    I was also terrified that this sort of thing had happened to so many women I know but no one had said anything because of fear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Boob grab = boob grab. That is what happened in the Bundesvision contest and that is what happened between the actress and Weinstein. They are the exact same thing.

    As I said, even if it was real (most people think it is as Wiki tells them it is - check the reddit threads on it crop up every now and then) it still wouldn't compare as they were messing around and there was no sexual motive. The joke is about points awarded during the competition. That's why she's laughing afterwards also.
    No context!? He literally tells her to "go to the bathroom" and "sit there" while "I have a shower" when the two of them are alone in or at the doorway of his hotel room (he explicitly tells her the bathroom is "over there" and she says "I want to go downstairs") because "it will only take one minute until the guy comes with my jacket" (then he later says "five minutes, don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes"), just days after touching her breast because as he says "I'm used to that" to which she expresses her own shock.

    Eh, the breast touch happened at a previous meeting. I was referring to the context of it which was before she went to the Police.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Well Ben Affleck has apologised for groping the reporter in the video I posted earlier:
    Actor Ben Affleck has apologised after being criticised for groping an MTV presenter on air in 2003.
    The incident surfaced after he posted condemnation of Harvey Weinstein, who is facing sexual assault allegations.
    One Twitter user remembered how Affleck "grabbed Hilarie Burton's breasts on TRL once" but "everyone forgot though". Burton replied: "I didn't forget."
    Affleck later wrote on Twitter: "I acted inappropriately toward Ms Burton and I sincerely apologise."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41589352

    Howdy'a like them apples, Ben?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    As I said, even if it was real (and most people think it is as Wiki tells them it is) it wouldn't compare as they were messing around and there was no sexual motive. The joke is about points awarded during the competition.
    Where did you say that?

    So fondling a woman's breast isn't the same as fondling a woman's breast? Yes, it was real even if it doesn't fit in well with your narrative, and fondling a woman's breasts (or a guy's balls in the case of Terry Crews) is sexual assault. There absolutely was sexual motive and since you knew the context you were also well aware of that - the guy even said so directly before - "the two most beautiful points, the two points of my beautiful Czech Susanka (the co-host), they will stay with me this evening" and then grabbed her boobs.

    That's not a joke about points awarded, that's a pervy comment about her tits which he then went for a grope of.
    Eh, the breast touch happened at a previous meeting. I'm referring to the context of it, before she went to the Police.
    That's my point, the breast touch happened already and yet here he is soon after trying to lure her in to watch him have a shower in his hotel room. Under that context, no there is absolutely no way it was an innocent grab of her breast.

    If you accidentally felt a woman's boobs would you be insisting on going to your hotel room to watch you shower? Obviously not.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Anyway, I see Cara Delevingne has posted the following on Instagram:

    She's got a short filmography so was easy to find the only Weinstein one, it's called Tulip Fever. It was only released over the summer but was shot in 2014. Looks like it got stuck in production hell which often ruins movies, this has 7% on Rotten Tomatoes... not that relevant to the overall topic but just explains the delay - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Fever


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭tara73


    I think 'defend' would already also itself be prejudice.
    I mean consider the matter in a balanced and objective way, and not just an uncritical jump on the bandwagon of condemnation.
    He may indeed deserve criticism, but I see no rational discussion of what appropriate behaviour really is, whether everyone is obliged to conform to what the majority determine is appropriate, or a deeper consideration of human nature.

    reading this and in line with this username, seems the freaks feel the need to come out of their caves revealing themselves when hearing about this scumbag stories...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Well Ben Affleck has apologised for groping the reporter in the video I posted earlier:



    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41589352

    Howdy'a like them apples, Ben?

    Affleck is a grade A twat. And his brother is even worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Well Ben Affleck has apologised for groping the reporter in the video I posted earlier:



    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41589352

    Howdy'a like them apples, Ben?


    Ben's bad day continues as Rose Mcgowan has called out his twitter statement about Weinstein as being a lie.

    “GODDAMNIT! I TOLD HIM TO STOP DOING THAT you said that to my face. The press conf I was made to go to after assault. You lie."

    I wonder how many other stars who have claimed to have no knowledge of Weinstein's antics in the last few days will be proven to be bald faced liars!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    So are all the relevations/accusation just going to be played out in 140 characters (Ronan Farrow's aside) or will there be substantial interviews explanations etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I think Rose was very brave but looking at her Twitter there I feel she's heading towards some kind of breakdown. She is going for it, and then some. It's exhausting to look at never mind live it. Hopefully she has good support around her who can encourage her to take a break from social media for a while.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭Shelga


    anna080 wrote: »
    I think Rose was very brave but looking at her Twitter there I feel she's heading towards some kind of breakdown. She is going for it, and then some. It's exhausting to look at never mind live it. Hopefully she has good support around her who can encourage her to take a break from social media for a while.

    Just looked at her Twitter there, I completely agree. The woman seems very close to the edge. To be fair, she basically had her career ruined for two decades by daring to speak out against Weinstein, so I can completely understand why she's like a dog with a bone and shouting it all from the rooftops now. Her rage must be immense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,247 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Well Ben Affleck has apologised for groping the reporter in the video I posted earlier:



    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41589352

    Howdy'a like them apples, Ben?

    Hilarie Burton's fella should get hold of Ben :P

    walking-dead-negan.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Newsnight going big on this tonight. It looks like this is going to be the seasons' big thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,441 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I'm listening to BBC 5live and they are interviewing a women who went for a job as a nanny and Jesus he sounds like a sleezy bollocks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭philstar


    they all come out of the woodwork at once?? why didn't they complain about it years ago..not doubting the accusations...but some seem to be jumping on the bandwagon


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    philstar wrote: »
    they all come out of the woodwork at once?? why didn't they complain about it years ago..not doubting the accusations...but some seem to be jumping on the bandwagon

    He can't hurt their careers or paychecks now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    philstar wrote: »
    they all come out of the woodwork at once?? why didn't they complain about it years ago..not doubting the accusations...but some seem to be jumping on the bandwagon

    It's been largely covered, basically your career would be ruined, your name in general driven through the mud, and quite likely you would be taken to court because what legal aid can an out of work actress afford compared to the hundreds of millions (or even billions if bandied together because Weinstein is far from the only one) of dollars these guys?

    Terry Crews, a 240lb former NFL linebacker who pops up randomly in a lot of things covered the shame aspect of it too, since he got sexually assaulted by a Hollywood bigwig but new there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    The idea that Hollywood is still a Jewish town is pretty ludicrous. It's now run by bean counters which run on code.

    Disney - Sean Bailey
    Warners - Kevin Tsujihara, Edward A. Romano, Toby Emmerich
    21st Century Fox - Stacey Snider (yes Jewish)
    Universal - Donna Langley, Jimmy Horowitz, Jeff Shell
    Columbia - Sanford Panitch
    Paramount - Jim Gianopulos

    I think i was 7 when names that were getting thrown around (from seemingly nowhere) were being mentioned as the forerunners of Hollywood, and it was not believed entirely.

    If you believe that people, and not money, run Hollywood, that is your prerogative. I believe that the 'bean counters' will do just about anything for a high wage, that is mine.
    I also believe that the top names in Hollywood prefer to not be named.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    philstar wrote: »
    they all come out of the woodwork at once?? why didn't they complain about it years ago..not doubting the accusations...but some seem to be jumping on the bandwagon

    I guess it's a bit like the clerical abuse scandal, people feel less afraid when they don't feel alone with their troubles.

    As for 'jumping on the bandwagon'?

    What normal person will want to get on that wagon of misery?

    Cop on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Suckit wrote: »
    I think i was 7 when names that were getting thrown around (from seemingly nowhere) were being mentioned as the forerunners of Hollywood.

    If you believe that people, and not money, run Hollywood, that is your prerogative. I believe that the 'bean counters' will do just about anything for a high wage.
    Money does run Hollywood, but people control that money - the Chinese will be largely running the show there in the next 10-15 years and are already making quick inroads on it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭philstar



    What normal person will want to get on that wagon of misery?

    for the money,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Money does run Hollywood, but people control that money - the Chinese will be largely running the show there in the next 10-15 years and are already making quick inroads on it.

    Yep, People control the money, but i do not believe that the accountants or whoever are mentioned in that list are those people.

    Chinese are also going after Africa, but that is a different story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    philstar wrote: »
    they all come out of the woodwork at once?? why didn't they complain about it years ago..not doubting the accusations...but some seem to be jumping on the bandwagon

    Weiner Weinstein used to be powerful enough to keep on the right side of, but in recent years his stock has fallen somewhat. His last big film was probably The Kings Speech or Django Unchained and they were a good few years ago now. Either you are hot or you are not, the moment you look weaker they take the opportunity to pounce. Obviously some were speaking out when he was still a big cheese.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    What he did was wrong and he took advantage of women.

    Hope It comes back on him.

    But sadly I'm not surprised. Heard few rumbles about him years ago.

    Yeah, the first I heard of it was last year on /r/movies, IIRC the revelation in that thread was that he had a foot fetish. It seems so innocent compared to what's emerged now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Kamu


    Suckit wrote: »
    Yep, People control the money, but i do not believe that the accountants or whoever are mentioned in that list are those people.

    Chinese are also going after Africa, but that is a different story.

    In what way are the Chinese going after Africa/Hollywood?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    From the DailyMail so take with grain of salt but interesting if true that Weinstein plans to go into rehab in Europe instead of the states. I bet his good buddy Polanski could recommend a nice safe country to shelter in!
    "The FBI has opened an investigation into Harvey Weinstein, DailyMail.com has exclusively learned. DailyMail.com understands the move came at the behest of the Department of Justice, run by Donald Trump’s Attorney General Jeff Sessions, which instructed the bureau to investigate the mounting allegations leveled at the movie mogul. The move by the DOJ came amid rumors that Weinstein has plans to head to Europe for sex rehab – leading to fears of a Roman Polanski-style situation where he dodges prosecution in the U.S. The FBI can both look at whether he has committed any federal crimes in the U.S. and prepare extradition proceedings if he remains in Europe. Among the allegations against Weinstein, which the FBI is expected to examine, is that he forced Lucia Evans, a student who wanted to be an actress, to perform oral sex on him in New York in 2004. New York State has no statue of limitations on rape and criminal sexual acts."








  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    philstar wrote: »
    for the money,

    Yes, yes of course! Why didn't I think of that!? What better way to secure your future finances by jumping on a bandwagon of sexual abuse. Silly me.

    CrispUniqueFreshwatereel-size_restricted.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Kamu wrote: »
    In what way are the Chinese going after Africa/Hollywood?

    It is not a nice story, but Africa story is unrelated to the Hollywood/American story. Cheaper labour (tribesmen and women).

    The Ivory laws have been changed, the Tribespeople have had land taken from them, and landowners on the coast have been forced out. As technically, nobody 'owns' land.
    You will have to dig deeper if you find it interesting, as links are not so easy to find and often disappear.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/3050167/in-africa-chinese-developers-are-building-a-mini-china

    Edited.
    The last two links refer to China and i did not double check them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Kamu wrote: »
    In what way are the Chinese going after Africa/Hollywood?

    Come on do some reading, China has spent the last 20 years buying large chunks of the African economy - roads for precious metals, other minerals and fuel resources.

    In the 80s the Japanese bought into La La Land when they had all the money and which got commented upon in films like Rising Son and that one with Bruce Willis and a skyscraper. Now China is the world's largest box office and the economy is rich so they've been buying into Hollywood while obviously maintaining the grip on their domestic market. But they also are hoovering up chunks of American farmland for instance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Kamu


    Suckit wrote: »
    It is not a nice story, but Africa story is unrelated to the Hollywood/American story. Cheaper labour (tribesmen and women).

    The Ivory laws have been changed, the Tribespeople have had land taken from them, and landowners on the coast have been forced out. As technically, nobody 'owns' land.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/3050167/in-africa-chinese-developers-are-building-a-mini-china

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/china-building-a-supercity-six-times-bigger-than-nyc/article25590569/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8278315/China-to-create-largest-mega-city-in-the-world-with-42-million-people.html

    Depressing reads all around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    He said to one of the women: "Maybe it would be easier if you put your mouth on it".

    If there was a clip of Harvey saying that to a woman on the street, you'd all be saying how gross and creepy it was.

    Clean cut Jimmy says it though and it's all fun and games.

    One of my first posts in this thread was joking about how someone, at some point, would barrel in to the thread to say that if Weinstein was good-looking, people wouldn’t feel victimised. I knew it would happen at some point in the thread but I didn’t think the example given would be quite so disingenuous. You know well that your Kimmel point is bollocks. If Kimmel was asking women to watch him shower and give him massages whilst he was in the nip in his hotel room, you honestly think they’d be OK with that? Don’t insult people’s intelligence by pretending you can’t see the difference the Kimmel bit you’ve referenced and Weinstein’s actions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Kamu wrote: »
    Depressing reads all around.
    If you find that depressing, do not read any more..


    It is horrific imho.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭philstar


    Yes, yes of course! Why didn't I think of that!? What better way to secure your future finances by jumping on a bandwagon of sexual abuse. Silly me.

    yes silly you,

    you honestly think there's no one out there who may be thinking i could cash in on this...come on now, don't be so naive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Yeah, the first I heard of it was last year on /r/movies, IIRC the revelation in that thread was that he had a foot fetish. It seems so innocent compared to what's emerged now.

    Now that's where Tarantino comes in...


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo




    Long form interview of him here from 3 years ago if anyone wants to check it out.

    Interestingly the top comment is this! :eek:
    PetrisFitness
    3 years ago
    Harvey Slimestien is a degenerate and his secrets will be exposed!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's been largely covered, basically your career would be ruined, your name in general driven through the mud, and quite likely you would be taken to court because what legal aid can an out of work actress afford compared to the hundreds of millions (or even billions if bandied together because Weinstein is far from the only one) of dollars these guys?

    Terry Crews, a 240lb former NFL linebacker who pops up randomly in a lot of things covered the shame aspect of it too, since he got sexually assaulted by a Hollywood bigwig but new there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.

    I think there’s an added element when a man is assaulted in that it can make them feel emasculated on top of everything else. That must be so hard to deal with.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just came across this ( apologies if already posted)

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/02/roman-polanski-on-case-sentence-as-far-as-what-i-did-its-over

    “As you know, Samantha Geimer has been asking for over 30 years for this thing to end,” Polanski said to the Hollywood Reporter. “But, I’m sorry the judges who dealt with it the last 40 years were corrupted, one covering for the other. So I don’t [sic] maybe one of them will [eventually] stop doing it.”

    The balls on this nonce

    :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Suckit wrote: »
    Yep, People control the money, but i do not believe that the accountants or whoever are mentioned in that list are those people.

    Chinese are also going after Africa, but that is a different story.

    Nah, China (particularly Wanda Group) are buying out Hollywood at a fast rate and are also on the brink of becoming the biggest box office market having been a smaller one than New Zealand in 2002. The Chinese box office out earns France (and about six former colonies that share it's official box office figures), Germany, the UK, Ireland, Australia, Italy and Spain combined. About 20% of all box office dollars earned last year were made from the Chinese market (the US is the biggest at about 30% but stagnant for years and on a slow decline) and apparently China has made another large leap forward this year - if was ahead of the US before summer I believe.

    The accountants don't have much say ultimately other than to follow the trends set by others and picked up on by audiences, but that's not what those guys mentioned are - they are producers, which is a very different and hugely varies role more easily summarised as "person who gets sh*t done", be it setting budgets, acquiring funding (a whole different area to accountancy), acquiring talent (hence this whole mess of a scandal), securing locations, coordinating the pre/post production and shooting phases and schedules, and on and on.

    China also already gets to dictate how quite a few Hollywood movies are made already on the basis that they'll refuse to screen them otherwise (only 32 non Chinese films are released in China per year) which has led to recuts and script changes to a number of Hollywood films in recent years. The reason the Fast and Furious and Transformers movies break so many records and make so much money is China, and being part of those 32 allotted movies. It's also the reason why we get so many generic, same-same action movies - because an English language rom com or drama just won't translate with that audience very well. This is also why the rom-com and most dramas have been dying a slow death for a decade and are virtually nonexistent at the top of the annual charts anymore, and the Chinese government being likely take issues with some cultural bits doesn't help), and why more movies are being made in China in the last 2-3 or so years (which should help explain that awful looking Great Wall movie with Matt Damon from the start of the year :) ).

    The rise of the Chinese box office is absolutely crazy, it's unlike anything that industry (or almost any industry!) has ever seen. They've also gone from having considerably less cinema screens than the UK to having more than the US and Canada combined in a span of less than 15 years (over 40,000).

    image.png

    Anyway I went off on a bit of a tangent altogether there, but the movie industry is absolutely controlled by people who control the purse strings - but counting beans isn't how they control them. I mean Max and Harvey Weinstein got to the top of Hollywood by buying unknown movies really cheap and often completely recutting them into something more marketable (them and New Line were the major players in the 1990s independents explosion doing this - My Left Foot, Crying Game, Quentin Tarantino, Good Will Hunting etc etc). In other words, they (as is the case with many a producer) were directly involved with the creative process.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Just came across this ( apologies already posed)

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/02/roman-polanski-on-case-sentence-as-far-as-what-i-did-its-over

    “As you know, Samantha Geimer has been asking for over 30 years for this thing to end,” Polanski said to the Hollywood Reporter. “But, I’m sorry the judges who dealt with it the last 40 years were corrupted, one covering for the other. So I don’t [sic] maybe one of them will [eventually] stop doing it.”

    The balls on this nonce

    :rolleyes:

    It gets worse...Polanski has openly admitted a lot of this stuff. With little or no sign of remorse.

    https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/17/16156902/roman-polanski-child-rape-charges-explained-samantha-geimer-robin-m
    By his own admission, Polanski has always been drawn to girls in their teens. He met his current wife, Emmanuelle Seigner, when she was 19 and he was 52. In his autobiography, Roman, he speaks candidly of going to bed with 15-year-old girls as a grown man. And when he describes the girls, “all between 16 and 19 years old,” who visited him in the late ‘60s while he was grieving the death of his second wife, Sharon Tate, (“not necessarily to make love — although some of them did”) he writes that they were “more beautiful, in a natural, coltish way, than they ever would be again.” Whenever he writes about this attraction,

    Polanski tends to paint the teen girl in question as a mature, fully grown human being who just happens to be fresher and more natural and more beautiful than adult women are.

    Teen girls have the power in the situation, he writes, and he is just a weak man, helpless against their charms — as he seems to believe is true of all men. “Judges want to **** young girls,” he told Martin Ames in 1979. “Juries want to **** young girls — everyone wants to **** young girls!” The idea that teenage girls might be children, and that not everyone wants to **** them, doesn’t seem to have occurred to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Now we go into songwriters and 'how famous must one be, to escape a paedophilia charge?'

    Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones and many others all wrote about having sex with young girls, and even their biographies enter quite graphic detail.


  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It gets worse...Polanski has openly admitted a lot of this stuff. With little or no sign of remorse.

    https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/17/16156902/roman-polanski-child-rape-charges-explained-samantha-geimer-robin-m

    Jaze... Pizzagate not looking so out of the realms of possibility anymore :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    Weinstein deserves to be castrated, but people on social media seem to be in full on social justice warrior mode at the minute. The amount of condescending videos out there aimed men in general, as if we're all perverts is beyond belief. Condescending steps of how to not rape people and the like. Just beyond silly. Feels like you need to lawyer up to even talk to women these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 5ive


    Excuse my nosiness but all the 'rumours' and 'alleged'-ness about various people...... is there a general source or just Google the specific names? Alot of the bits being mentioned here are news to me! I Googled 'hollywood rumours' 'hollywood whispers' etc.... but got mostly 20th century stuff.

    I think the whole thing is and will be, pretty identical to the Catholic Church scandals. It's too much of a juggernaut to truly take it to task with too many powerful names and their lawyers involved.
    Weinstein will go to rehab for 6 months make a big donation and apology and all will be forgiven.

    I'd love to be proven wrong though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    5ive wrote: »
    Excuse my nosiness but all the 'rumours' and 'alleged'-ness about various people...... is there a general source or just Google the specific names?

    Search “baby groupies”
    Sable Starr etc..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Noel82


    Ben Affleck, the virtue signalling extraordinaire. There's another video of him on TRL grabbing some chicks boob.



  • Advertisement
Advertisement