What big companies do you think will not still be here in a decade 's time?

31-07-2020 8:21am

da_miser wrote: »

Supervalu

Musgrave Group who own them are huge ,they will still be around but Supervalu cannot compete with Lidl/Aldi and are clearly struggling if you just base it off what you can see with your own eyes, shops are no where near as busy as other Supermarkets

They are a franchise so not all the same but the good ones are by far the best food shops in Ireland and massively popular. My local one is massive, has some of the best produce you can get including an amazing bakery and it is always packed. I buy a few bits in aldi but we do our main shop in SV as it’s just far ahead.

It will be gone nowhere in 10 years.

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 9:10am

Weston Quick Bathtub wrote: »

They are a franchise so not all the same but the good ones are by far the best food shops in Ireland and massively popular. My local one is massive, has some of the best produce you can get including an amazing bakery and it is always packed. I buy a few bits in aldi but we do our main shop in SV as it’s just far ahead.

It will be gone nowhere in 10 years.

Nailed it as usual, Nox. You might have the folks who think buying half gone off tomatoes in Aldi for 49 cent is a good idea, but you’ll always have the market for people who want to pay a little extra for quality produce. That’s the market that SuperValu cater for.

I know you’re a Galway man and that SuperValu sounds like McInerney's in Loughrea. Absolutely brilliant shop. I’d still give Pat Loughnane my trade if I was in the place and looking to buy a good steak though.

31-07-2020 9:13am

I predict Cadbury (subsidiary of Mondelez) will continue their current strategy of trying to keep the price low by reducing the quality of their products by increasing the quantity of vegetable oils. They know nobody prefers the way the products taste now but because they are owned by a big heartless US corporation they simply lack that ability to care about what actual human beings actually want. They will suffer lower sales as people become ever more disinclined to eat junk food, which they will try to fight by making 'healthier' products, but as the whole point of confectionery is to taste nice, this will be just as ridiculous as 'lucozade zero''. Actually, I predict obesity levels to plummet this decade as the children who grew up in the image-concerned social media laden world of the 2010s enter into adulthood, government and other efforts to tackle obesity come to fruition and the novelty of eating junk food simply passes. Even now, footage of the 2000s looks like a landscape of untoned, puffy bloated people versus now, and teenage obesity was much more prevalent then, with kids now tending to be tall and thin. I think this trend will be more gradual in the US than Europe though. So I believe a company which currently produce junk food which doesn't lend itself to making healthier versions of its current products, but which isn't found in America might be a good shout (pizza shops which aren't Dominos, donut shops..).

dotsman · 31-07-2020 10:43am

Weston Quick Bathtub wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is arguing that working on a laptop on the kitchen table is suitable long term, in my home office I have a sit/stand desk, quality large monitor and wireless keyboard and mouse with I just need to make one connection to via usb-c to my MacBook and I have power, hdmi and multiple usbs incl my backup hdd. Laptop also acts as a second screen. I have a similar setup at work so if I’m at home or at work all I need is my MacBook but I can also work anywhere else too, meeting, trips etc or bring the laptop down in the evening for browsing and personal stuff on the couch.

I’d argue it’s a better setup than having a desktop.

It sounds like a good enough setup. But take a look at how much room your macbook is taking up on the desk. Wouldn't it be a lot tidier (spacious) if that was a tower under the desk? Also, do you really need a second screen if you have a large 4K monitor (i.e. 4 screens in 1)?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that desktops will replace laptops - I'm just saying that laptops won't replace desktops (which people have been saying for the past 20 years). There will be people who will get by with just a laptop. Others will have a desktop and laptop, others again will have just a desktop.

ohnonotgmail · 31-07-2020 10:54am

dotsman wrote: »

It sounds like a good enough setup. But take a look at how much room your macbook is taking up on the desk. Wouldn't it be a lot tidier (spacious) if that was a tower under the desk? Also, do you really need a second screen if you have a large 4K monitor (i.e. 4 screens in 1)?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that desktops will replace laptops - I'm just saying that laptops won't replace desktops (which people have been saying for the past 20 years). There will be people who will get by with just a laptop. Others will have a desktop and laptop, others again will have just a desktop.

what?

lapua20grain · 31-07-2020 10:58am

kowloon wrote: »

Is the Gateway factory still empty? I haven't been past it in a while. Is the Dell factory still in Limerick?

The one in clonshaugh has Dunnes online operation in it.

Wombatman · 31-07-2020 11:03am

Newspapers. How are they even sold right now?

lapua20grain · 31-07-2020 11:04am

Wombatman wrote: »

Newspapers. How are they even sold right now?

Especially the likes of the tabloids, rags the lot of them.

dotsman · 31-07-2020 11:17am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what?

A 4k monitor is the same as 4 HD monitors (2 across, 2 down), but without any gap/bezel. From a work perspective, it's extremely handy/productive when working with multiple windows/tabs open. At other times, using the entire screen real estate for a single window (document/spreadsheet/IDE etc) is amazing. Once you go 4K, everything else just seems tiny and restrictive.

Royale with Cheese · 31-07-2020 11:27am

Tesla's charging network is light years ahead of anything else. If they're forced to open that up to all EVs then I can't see them staying on top, but if not they have something the rest are sorely lacking in. It might even be they switch their focus to charging, open the network up and make their money that way.

ohnonotgmail · 31-07-2020 11:29am

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Tesla's charging network is light years ahead of anything else. If they're forced to open that up to all EVs then I can't see them staying on top, but if not they have something the rest are sorely lacking in. It might even be they switch their focus to charging, open the network up and make their money that way.

forced to by who? they aren't a public utility.

partyguinness · 31-07-2020 11:35am

Larbre34 wrote: »

Penneys.

The days of fast disposable fashion are well numbered. The environmental impact is unjustifiable.

Doubt it. People still need to clothes and with mass redundancies and economic uncertainly on the horizon they are well placed. I see them growing if anything.

Where are people going to go...Ralph Lauren?

partyguinness · 31-07-2020 11:35am

Wombatman wrote: »

Newspapers. How are they even sold right now?

I rarley see anyone under the age of 60 clutching a newspaper.

31-07-2020 11:59am

The Tetrarch wrote: »

I have four desktop PCs: 2008; 2016; 2020; and another being built.
My laptop is in a cupboard in the kitchen, and has been for a few years.

I use FOUR pc laptops

Mac mini i7 2019 although working has very u certain future.

No way to record live stereo music because my webcam hasn't got stereo and no 3.5 mm jack for recording syero on the thing.

31-07-2020 12:07pm

dotsman wrote: »

A 4k monitor is the same as 4 HD monitors (2 across, 2 down), but without any gap/bezel. From a work perspective, it's extremely handy/productive when working with multiple windows/tabs open. At other times, using the entire screen real estate for a single window (document/spreadsheet/IDE etc) is amazing. Once you go 4K, everything else just seems tiny and restrictive.

I like to have two screens even with a 4k one as I tend to devote one to personal email, youtube/Spotify, whatsapp web, any sport i'd be keeping an eye on etc (this would be the laptop) and then the main screen would be for work though I do drag across windows for work too at times as I like to open documents in the full window even on a large screen especially for things like CAD.

quokula · 31-07-2020 12:08pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Tesla's charging network is light years ahead of anything else. If they're forced to open that up to all EVs then I can't see them staying on top, but if not they have something the rest are sorely lacking in. It might even be they switch their focus to charging, open the network up and make their money that way.

They won't be forced to open up, but there's nothing stopping others from building charging networks, and as EVs become more common and the charging tech becomes more standardised the network will likely largely grow organically as they're built by independent third parties just like petrol forecourts.

Aside from that though, new EVs are approaching the kind of range that 90% of drivers will never need to charge them away from home.

quokula · 31-07-2020 12:18pm

dotsman wrote: »

A 4k monitor is the same as 4 HD monitors (2 across, 2 down), but without any gap/bezel. From a work perspective, it's extremely handy/productive when working with multiple windows/tabs open. At other times, using the entire screen real estate for a single window (document/spreadsheet/IDE etc) is amazing. Once you go 4K, everything else just seems tiny and restrictive.

Having 4 times the pixels isn't the same as having 4 times the space, unless your 4k monitor is also a massive 42" screen or something like that. You can fit four times as much information on screen, sure, but in reality you're just going to be increasing the font size or you'll really need to squint.

Most normal monitors are higher than 1080p anyway, they're somewhere in the middle - mine are both 1440p which is 2K

Having multiple screens creates natural separation between workspaces, simple things like double clicking a title bar to fill an app to the screen it is on become more complicated if you're just working with one very large screen. I don't think I could go back to working on one screen, on the odd occasion I need to it feels very restrictive.

Davidth88 · 31-07-2020 12:24pm

kowloon wrote: »

Is the Gateway factory still empty? I haven't been past it in a while. Is the Dell factory still in Limerick?

It's now an Amazon Data Centre , one of quite a few in Dublin

Davidth88 · 31-07-2020 12:27pm

The title is a little ambiguous , not be here as in Ireland , or not exist ?

Anyway , having done some old fashioned shopping last weekend ( Currys and Halfords ) the experience showed me that bricks/mortar out of town shops like that are a thing of the past .

lapua20grain · 31-07-2020 2:07pm

Davidth88 wrote: »

It's now an Amazon Data Centre , one of quite a few in Dublin

It's not, it's Dunnes online store warehouse, there is also Easons replenishment warehouse in a part of it.

RandomViewer · 31-07-2020 2:45pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Why would you buy German, no engineer but aren't electric vehicles actually simpler than ICE vehicles in terms of engineering.
My bet is German car manufacturing will be a shadow of itself in a decade and you will be buying a car made in Asia somewhere that's running US designed software.

See that being said a lot but in reality you still have all the ancillaries that give issues, all you are saving on is a few litres of oil and a couple of filters, still has a normal charging system for lights , wipers etc ,brakes steering suspension all remain, bit more weight lugging batteries around so likely cost more on brakes and suspension,

Dravokivich · 31-07-2020 3:23pm

I think print based advertising platforms such as the likes of JC Decuax are going to have problems long term. Businesses that want to run ad campaigns, are going to want a higher hit rate with their target audience and that's more likely via digital means.

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah Boeing should have been bankrupt at least a couple of times by now but the US government will always come in with a bailout cheque as they're strategically important to US military interests, its not just passenger airlines they make. Even if it was the US govt is not going to let Boeing fail as it would mean huge transfers of wealth to the EU to buy planes from Airbus.

Interesting call on Sky and yeah I can see Amazon really gnawing away at them in the next decade. Amazon have already dipped their toes into English Premier League and I can see more of the same coming down the line as Amazon pushes for new ways to sell more subs onto Prime. They have much deeper pockets than Sky when it comes to bidding for the rights. They might also offer packages so people can watch the sport they want at a reasonable price rather than Skys 40 quid a month to pay for loads of stuff you dont want.

Both Amazon and Musk are putting thousands of satellites in space to cover the globe in internet, if that eventually gets fast and cheap enough then all the main broadband companies could find themselves in trouble, at least in rural areas anyway.

I'd say it's more likely Amazon are interested in selling Sky an alternative platform to broadcast through, as opposed to ultimately competing against them as a broadcaster. That's why they've been getting into sports broadcasting, it's more of a "Proof of Concept," that streaming can provide high quality broadcasting, while the cloud services are scalable to meet demand. It means, satellite based services aren't going to be where the high quality is longterm. Amazon are able to go from SD / HD / HDR / 4K, with minimal device changes for the user. Where as Sattelite systems, would require quite a bit of work and equipment.

My thinking on this is because Amazon are more interested in being a supply chain system, not the product owner.

They only produce media content, to encourage people to subscribe to Prime Video, who'll then watch other content on the service, or sub to additional services provided through it. Like with Discovery Channel. They encourage Prime users for Delivery and regular deals, so they can attract Vendors to sell through their platform and have access to a target audience for their products.

Muahahaha · 31-07-2020 3:58pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

All the companies who do Internet of Shíte Things

It's a security disaster waiting to happen. All that home automation kit is well dodgy. .

A neighbour recently put one of those pin code keypads to open his front door. As to why I dont know as turning a key in a lock is hardly the most inconvenient task. That aside I was thinking that if criminals have figured out a way to skim pin numbers from ATMs (which are beating a banks very expensive and well resourced security systems) then house burglars will be soon be buying similar skimming devices off the dark web and literally walking into peoples houses without actually having to break in.

da_miser wrote: »

Supervalu

Musgrave Group who own them are huge ,they will still be around but Supervalu cannot compete with Lidl/Aldi and are clearly struggling if you just base it off what you can see with your own eyes, shops are no where near as busy as other Supermarkets

LIdl/Aldi are still in expansion mode, each have a further 100 odd stores planned. Its a slow process because they are finding it difficult to find suitable sites and even when they do the other supermarkets object to the planning permission as a way of slowing them down. One of their targets is rural towns where Supervalue is the only option. When their full expansion is finally complete Supervalues market share will recede. They will still survive but will have to compete more on price.

topper75 · 31-07-2020 5:17pm

kowloon wrote: »

Is the Dell factory still in Limerick?

Dell is Regeneron AFAIK. Going to save us all from Covid!:D

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/innovation/regeneron-limerick-niall-oleary

completedit · 31-07-2020 5:21pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

A neighbour recently put one of those pin code keypads to open his front door. As to why I dont know as turning a key in a lock is hardly the most inconvenient task. That aside I was thinking that if criminals have figured out a way to skim pin numbers from ATMs (which are beating a banks very expensive and well resourced security systems) then house burglars will be soon be buying similar skimming devices off the dark web and literally walking into peoples houses without actually having to break in.

That's where the IOT machine guns come in

31-07-2020 5:29pm

Siemens

Their ATM reputation does them no favours.

They obviously don't care at all about the low mean time between failure of the aging BOI AIB bank machines etc.

the purple tin · 31-07-2020 5:42pm

Ipso wrote: »

Vanderlay industries

Yes, latex production has fallen off a cliff lately, I heard old Art Vanderlay is hitting the sauce pretty hard. A bottle of Hennigans a day so I heard.

ChikiChiki · 31-07-2020 5:47pm

completedit wrote: »

I notice Elon Musk's stock falling a bit- More people sort of realizing he's a complete benny. A lot of Tesla's hype is the cult of the CEO. Tesla revolutionized people's perception of the electric car but it might go either way.

They'd be more successful if he stayed in the background. He's not stable CEO material.

orangerhyme · 31-07-2020 6:01pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I don't think so.

Tesla did quite a few things first, but it didn't do them with great quality. Now that Mercedes, Volkswagen Group, BMW, Ford, Toyota, PSA Opel, Jaguar Land Rover, Volvo-Polestar and others are producing PHEVs and Hybrids, they are doing it better and more efficiently.

Tesla cars are badly built and because they lose almost a billion euro a year, every year, their ability to invest in replacements for their Gen 1 models is limited and those cars, especially the Model S and Model X, are dating fast and don't offer the quality and luxury of a Mercedes EQ model or the newly launched Polestar 2, which absolutely spanks the Model 3 on all fronts.

Personally I think they'll end up being acquired by General Motors as a survival move.

Tesla has over 95% of the world's autonomous driving data.

orangerhyme · 31-07-2020 6:05pm

I think a few car manufacturers will collapse in 5 to 10 years, and also car parts supply chain manufacturers.

EVs will be cheaper upfront than ICE cars within 5 years and 10% of cost to run. Nobody will pay more for an inferior product.

Apparently car manufacturers make most of their profit from parts and EVs need far less repairs and last longer.

Also, if and it's a big IF, autonomous driving becomes mainstream, then it's game over for lots of car companies and lots of people won't even bother buying cars. This is possible within 10 years.

Rodney Bathgate · 31-07-2020 6:09pm

topper75 wrote: »

Dell is Regeneron AFAIK. Going to save us all from Covid!:D

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/innovation/regeneron-limerick-niall-oleary

I thought Dell was nationalised?

Rodney Bathgate · 31-07-2020 6:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Siemens

Their ATM reputation does them no favours.

They obviously don't care at all about the low mean time between failure of the aging BOI AIB bank machines etc.

If the ATMs are aging it is because the banks haven’t been replaced them. Not Siemens fault.

Yurt2 · 31-07-2020 7:51pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

I think print based advertising platforms such as the likes of JC Decuax are going to have problems long term. Businesses that want to run ad campaigns, are going to want a higher hit rate with their target audience and that's more likely via digital means.
.

Quite a bit of research done on this. For big brands like Coca Cola or P&G products, good old fashioned out of home advertising like bus stops and billboards as well as TV spots are better value for money, and generate more consumer purchases. Well crafted and targeted digital advertising has its role, but it's not half as effective as you'd presume. A lot of advertising budget has moved back to traditional over the past few years.

Heraldoffreeent · 31-07-2020 8:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Siemens

Their ATM reputation does them no favours.

They obviously don't care at all about the low mean time between failure of the aging BOI AIB bank machines etc.

Siemens haven't made ATMs for about 20 years.

Ubbquittious · 31-07-2020 8:08pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Quite a bit of research done on this. For big brands like Coca Cola or P&G products, good old fashioned out of home advertising like bus stops and billboards as well as TV spots are better value for money, and generate more consumer purchases. Well crafted and targeted digital advertising has its role, but it's not half as effective as you'd presume. A lot of advertising budget has moved back to traditional over the past few years.

Id say you are on to something. Online advertising tends to annoy people, the advertiser is often stuck paying per click and the clicks generated could be by someone in India who will never even be able to buy your product

Muahahaha · 31-07-2020 8:30pm

They say that half of all money spent on advertising is wasted money but the trick is to know which half

Ubbquittious · 31-07-2020 8:37pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

They say that half of all money spent on advertising is wasted money but the trick is to know which half

I used to work for a fella and about 99% of what he spent on advertising was wasted.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-07-2020 8:44pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

A neighbour recently put one of those pin code keypads to open his front door.

Wait a few months.

Then see which keys are clean. Cleanest one is the first digit.
If two of the digits are 1,9 or 2,0 then it's probably a date and you'll only need two tries to open it.

Or lookup the lock on the interwebs most of them have shockingly poor security.

Ubbquittious · 31-07-2020 8:56pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Wait a few months.

Then see which keys are clean. Cleanest one is the first digit.
If two of the digits are 1,9 or 2,0 then it's probably a date and you'll only need two tries to open it.

Or lookup the lock on the interwebs most of them have shockingly poor security.

I think security by obscurity is the way to go here. 4 buttons tucked in under a drain pipe that you tap in a secret code in without anyone knowing. The fancy schmancy AI cloud connected doorbell could be a complete red herring and you actually open the door by standing on a stone slab with a few load cells underneath to make sure you are the correct weight. Or perhaps a good old fashioned loaded crossbow tied to the door by a string while you make sure to always use the backdoor yourself.

RandomViewer · 31-07-2020 9:14pm

orangerhyme wrote: »

I think a few car manufacturers will collapse in 5 to 10 years, and also car parts supply chain manufacturers.

EVs will be cheaper upfront than ICE cars within 5 years and 10% of cost to run. Nobody will pay more for an inferior product.

Apparently car manufacturers make most of their profit from parts and EVs need far less repairs and last longer.

Also, if and it's a big IF, autonomous driving becomes mainstream, then it's game over for lots of car companies and lots of people won't even bother buying cars. This is possible within 10 years.

Where you getting this tripe? Engine a nd gearbox are the only difference, everything else stays the same plus half a tonne of battery, tyres, brakes and suspension parts will fly

orangerhyme · 31-07-2020 11:12pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Where you getting this tripe? Engine a nd gearbox are the only difference, everything else stays the same plus half a tonne of battery, tyres, brakes and suspension parts will fly

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/06/electric-vehicles-are-changing-the-future-of-auto-maintenance/

Read this

YellowBucket · 01-08-2020 8:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

Siemens

Their ATM reputation does them no favours.

They obviously don't care at all about the low mean time between failure of the aging BOI AIB bank machines etc.

They briefly owned Nixdorf, but it was spun out again as Wincor Nixdorf in 1999. So any ATM you're using isn't Siemens.

Their main business is power systems and infrastructural gear, which they're pretty much the world leader in for decades.

Siemens is probably one of the least likely companies to disappear.

Harry Palmr · 01-08-2020 8:45am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I can't see Eir lasting in Ireland. Just seems like a ridiculous prospect. And the future of An Post seems similarly dubious.

There is a legal requirement for a post office I think.

Bobeagleburger · 01-08-2020 8:45am

Tesla owns the premium EV space at the moment. It'll be interesting when Mercedes and other big guns really compete.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2020 8:57am

Cunard and Aer Lingus.

01-08-2020 12:33pm

Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Capt'n Midnight · 01-08-2020 1:16pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

There is a legal requirement for a post office I think.

On the other hand most of the post offices have already closed. Way, way down from peak numbers

01-08-2020 1:25pm

Wombatman wrote: »

Newspapers. How are they even sold right now?

1. Scale. The concentration of newspaper media ownership in this country allows for economy of scale. Independent Newspapers owns everything from The Kerryman to the Belfast Telegraph.

2. Even the Irish Times owns the Examiner, but it also trades on status as the paper of record, and benefits from the fact that it only needs to break even — The Irish Times is owned by it's own Trust. They have a vocational concern for journalism, not money.

Capt'n Midnight · 01-08-2020 1:31pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Cunard and Aer Lingus.

Aer Lingus.

Thanks to the Eurowhite* paint job on the outside and Ryanair blue on the inside they have completely un-branded.

* Eurowhite
White body reduces the energy needed for air conditioning. On a vehicle that can burn through it's own weight of fuel every day, day after day it's not going to make much of a difference. And a splash of paint on the tail won't stand out when so many airlines do special one-off paint jobs.

Muahahaha · 01-08-2020 2:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Kentucky Fried Chicken.

cant see them going anywhere in the US or UK where they have a good foothold but here they dont have that many stores and dont seem to be all that popular, they struggle to compete against McDonalds, Burger King, etc. They have to go down as serving Irelands scabbiest portion of chips too, last time I was in a few years back I counted and there was literally 15 chips. The white paper bag they come in is minuscule and has a real bang of a bean counter watching margins off it.

Plus they seem to be poorly run, used to pass the one in Blanch a lot and if the wind was blowing the right way there was always a stench of old dirty oil coming from the KFC, it was rank. The managers inside would be cooking with dirty oil and not realising the stink of it outside was putting off people actually going in.

What big companies do you think will not still be here in a decade 's time?

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