Philomena Lynott RIP

Strazdas · 12-06-2019 11:35pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I've had a listen to some of his solo stuff and think that if he hadn't died so young, he could've gone on to do some interesting things. Yellow Pearl isn't the greatest thing he ever did but it's quite a departure from Whiskey in the Jar. Thin Lizzy I can take or leave.

Yellow Pearl and Old Town were very good and an interesting departure from the Lizzy stuff but it does look like his career had stalled by the time he passed away (apparently the drug addiction was causing havoc for him and interfering with his music projects).

Strumms · 12-06-2019 11:56pm

its a bit disappointing how the accusatory tone of this thread, especially in the circumstances seems to be on the verge of drowning out any notion of compassion, understanding, respect or kindness. When nobody here knew the woman or the inner machinations of her existence especially and the mindset and experiences that led her to make her choices all those years ago.

To have walked a mile in her shoes, and all that..

Mental Mickey · 12-06-2019 11:57pm

Strumms wrote: »

its a bit disappointing how the accusatory tone of this thread, especially in the circumstances seems to be on the verge of drowning out any notion of compassion, understanding, respect or kindness. When nobody here knew the woman or the inner machinations of her existence especially and the mindset and experiences that led her to make her choices all those years ago.

To have walked a mile in her shoes, and all that..

Here here

PTH2009 · 13-06-2019 12:06am

RIP very brave women and always kept her sons memory alive. Shes often attended many Thin Lizzy shows and other rock shows. The book was excellent

Her and Phil's life would make a awesome movie one day

Mental Mickey · 13-06-2019 12:08am

PTH2009 wrote: »

RIP very brave women and always kept her sons memory alive. Shes often attended many Thin Lizzy shows and other rock shows. The book was excellent

Her and Phil's life would make a awesome movie one day

There was plans for a film a few years ago, but it never materialised

Gimme A Pound · 13-06-2019 1:34am

Do people just want reams and reams of RIP posts? Why is it so wrong to refer to the life of the person in question based on information that's in the public domain?

dd973 · 13-06-2019 1:53am

Nice lady, went to a tribute act once in that Radio City place near Busarus and she went up to speak. RIP

Grab All Association · 13-06-2019 2:36am

She was a lovely woman.

Remember an interview she gave a few years ago about when she gave birth to Phil. Another mother in the ward referred to her as the mother of the n-word. She fought with this with racist ***** and the nun came in with a stick to break them up. She said wrestled the stick off the nun and beat both of them with it

R.I.P Philomena.

bigpink · 13-06-2019 6:46am

Was she a celebrity aswell?Was she well known for music or what

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 6:59am

Roy Squeaking Ice wrote: »

Do people just want reams and reams of RIP posts? Why is it so wrong to refer to the life of the person in question based on information that's in the public domain?

Some of the stuff said on this thread appears to have no basis. Why the determination to defend that?

Beechwoodspark · 13-06-2019 8:10am

bigpink wrote: »

Was she a celebrity aswell?Was she well known for music or what

Famous for being Phil’s mam. Seemed a nice lady from the very little I know about her.

conorhal · 13-06-2019 9:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

She was a brave woman to keep her baby in those days, especially a coloured one. May she Rest In Peace.

She unscuccessfully tried to abort him actually, according to her own biography.

RabbleRouser2k · 13-06-2019 10:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

He was probably the oldest. I seem to remember that his dad used to pay maintenance.

Yep, she had another daughter, I believe (like I said, had a boy and girl, one of whom shared the same dad), with Phil's Dad-that one was put up for adoption.
Very odd she didn't send that one home.

And then she had another child, who I believe is white, with someone else. Also put up for adoption, but when they made contact with her, she didn't want anything to do with em.

Gimme A Pound · 13-06-2019 10:27am

PARlance wrote: »

She was living in England at the time, Phil was sent back to Dublin to his grandparents to be raised. She had 2 more kids then, they were put up for adoption. She didn't raise any of them, she never really had a mothers role with Phil.

I'm assuming one child was all the grandparents could handle and the other two had to be put up for adoption.

Phil himself had a child with who was put up for adoption.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Some of the stuff said on this thread appears to have no basis. Why the determination to defend that?

I'm talking about what actually happened though, like the post I quote above. Someone comes along and says "not the time or place". Why? And that's the post they pounce on - there are plenty of others they could have chosen from.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 10:33am

Roy Squeaking Ice wrote: »

I'm talking about what actually happened though, like the post I quote above. Someone comes along and says "not the time or place". Why? And that's the post they pounce on - there are plenty of others they could have chosen from.

It’s pretty standard on boards for people to be admonished for criticising someone in an RIP thread. Is it that hard to understand why? It’s a ‘rest in peace’ thread. They happen when a person has just died. It’s just plain inappropriate. Especially when it’s nonsensical or unsubstantiated stuff, like in this thread: “She didn’t talk to her other two kids!”. Ah, yeah, that’s kind of how adoption works. Putting children up for adoption is generally seen as a responsible thing to do so to use it as a criticism is frankly bizarre.

RabbleRouser2k · 13-06-2019 10:48am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s pretty standard on boards for people to be admonished for criticising someone in an RIP thread. Is it that hard to understand why? It’s a ‘rest in peace’ thread. They happen when a person has just died. It’s just plain inappropriate. Especially when it’s nonsensical or unsubstantiated stuff, like in this thread: “She didn’t talk to her other two kids!”. Ah, yeah, that’s kind of how adoption works. Putting children up for adoption is generally seen as a responsible thing to do so to use it as a criticism is frankly bizarre.

Saying positive things about someone when they die has the same impact as saying negative things about someone when they die-nothing.

There are people in my extended family we had nothing nice to say about when they died.
She put herself in the public eye, pretended to be one thing while really being something else entirely. Worse was said about people when they died, on this forum and others. And nobody batted an eyelid.

Like I said, when I'm dead an buried-say what you want about me. Won't matter. I'll be wormfood, the brain no longer functioning and no afterlife or reincarnation because none of that exists.
Rich or poor, we all go in the ground.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 10:59am

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Saying positive things about someone when they die has the same impact as saying negative things about someone when they die-nothing.

There are people in my extended family we had nothing nice to say about when they died.
She put herself in the public eye, pretended to be one thing while really being something else entirely. Worse was said about people when they died, on this forum and others. And nobody batted an eyelid.

Like I said, when I'm dead an buried-say what you want about me. Won't matter. I'll be wormfood, the brain no longer functioning and no afterlife or reincarnation because none of that exists.
Rich or poor, we all go in the ground.

What do you mean by this? You criticised her for not having anything to do with her other children. But they were put up for adoption, so why would she be expected to? And following on from that, why would she know the children of the children she put up for adoption? Do people not know how adoption works?

Unless you are criticising her for putting her children up for adoption. Is it something you oppose?

RabbleRouser2k · 13-06-2019 11:13am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

What do you mean by this? You criticised her for not having anything to do with her other children. But they were put up for adoption, so why would she be expected to? And following on from that, why would she know the children of the children she put up for adoption? Do people not know how adoption works?

Unless you are criticising her for putting her children up for adoption. Is it something you oppose?

No, no, no. I have no problem with people putting children up for adoption, or adoption in general. I do have a problem with the idea of putting a child up for adoption, and when they try and make contact with you, you completely blank them. For someone who lost a child very young, you'd think she would do their best to maintain contact with the living children. Instead, she denied they existed until it was shown that they did. When they went to the papers asking to meet her, or to meet her grandchildren.

But she much rather maintain one child's legacy than build any kind of relationship with the living ones. To me it seemed self serving-because he was famous, he was her focus. And she could make money from him.
I found that reprehensible.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 11:32am

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

No, no, no. I have no problem with people putting children up for adoption, or adoption in general. I do have a problem with the idea of putting a child up for adoption, and when they try and make contact with you, you completely blank them. For someone who lost a child very young, you'd think she would do their best to maintain contact with the living children. Instead, she denied they existed until it was shown that they did. When they went to the papers asking to meet her, or to meet her grandchildren.

But she much rather maintain one child's legacy than build any kind of relationship with the living ones. To me it seemed self serving-because he was famous, he was her focus. And she could make money from him.
I found that reprehensible.

That’s an incredibly complex issue. Personally I would not judge anyone for that without knowing the full details. I can’t imagine she denied the existence of human beings she gave birth to.

And her losing the child she didn’t put up for adoption is a separate thing to putting children up for adoption. She wouldn’t have expected to lose him when he was relatively young (no parent expects to bury their child) and the other children were already adopted at that point. Going to the papers in an attempt to meet your birth mother isn’t a great move either, is it?

You really are being very judgemental and making all sorts of assumptions.

SirGerryAdams · 13-06-2019 11:53am

Roy Squeaking Ice wrote: »

Do people just want reams and reams of RIP posts? Why is it so wrong to refer to the life of the person in question based on information that's in the public domain?

Yeah, I know I'd rather people talked **** about when I'm dead instead of while I'm alive anyways!

RabbleRouser2k · 13-06-2019 1:10pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That’s an incredibly complex issue. Personally I would not judge anyone for that without knowing the full details. I can’t imagine she denied the existence of human beings she gave birth to.

And her losing the child she didn’t put up for adoption is a separate thing to putting children up for adoption. She wouldn’t have expected to lose him when he was relatively young (no parent expects to bury their child) and the other children were already adopted at that point. Going to the papers in an attempt to meet your birth mother isn’t a great move either, is it?

You really are being very judgemental and making all sorts of assumptions.

It's not an assumption-it's the story she told, even in VH1 behind the music. (Seems when this was brought over to the UK, they used a British VA, rather than the American one I can remember. Same script, just different VA's. But the American one's incomplete, parts 2,3 and 4, are on the youtube, but part 1 is missing).

Anyways, here's the documentary I was referencing. At the 6 minute mark, notice the 'first and only child' line.

As for going to the papers, that to me reads like the last resort of a desperate person who wants to have that connection, to learn about their deceased brother, and to learn about their father(s).

If I had been put up for adoption (or fostered) I would be desperate to have that connection with any and all siblings.
I know Phil kept some secrets from her too-when he died, she didn't know he had a son at the age of 18. It was years later, when his friend and album cover artist Jim Fitzpatrick told her, she got a shock (child was put up for adoption). It was around the 2000s that Phil's son, MacDaragh Lambe, tracked down his mother, and then later Philomena.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/lynott-sons-joy-as-phils-family-recognise-him-26666547.html

That article also mentions how it was in 2010 or so that she acknowledged her other children.

decky1 · 13-06-2019 2:44pm

Strumms wrote: »

its a bit disappointing how the accusatory tone of this thread, especially in the circumstances seems to be on the verge of drowning out any notion of compassion, understanding, respect or kindness. When nobody here knew the woman or the inner machinations of her existence especially and the mindset and experiences that led her to make her choices all those years ago.

To have walked a mile in her shoes, and all that..

thank you for this comment , it was turning into a bit of a witch hunt to see who could come up with something awful about this lady, wonder what would happen if we could find out what these people did in the past, ?

Strazdas · 13-06-2019 3:51pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

She was a lovely woman.

Remember an interview she gave a few years ago about when she gave birth to Phil. Another mother in the ward referred to her as the mother of the n-word. She fought with this with racist ***** and the nun came in with a stick to break them up. She said wrestled the stick off the nun and beat both of them with it

R.I.P Philomena.

She seemed a very charismatic and engaging woman. It's easy to see where Phil got his charisma from. Very strong too, that always came across.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 4:03pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It's not an assumption-it's the story she told, even in VH1 behind the music. (Seems when this was brought over to the UK, they used a British VA, rather than the American one I can remember. Same script, just different VA's. But the American one's incomplete, parts 2,3 and 4, are on the youtube, but part 1 is missing).

Anyways, here's the documentary I was referencing. At the 6 minute mark, notice the 'first and only child' line.

As for going to the papers, that to me reads like the last resort of a desperate person who wants to have that connection, to learn about their deceased brother, and to learn about their father(s).

If I had been put up for adoption (or fostered) I would be desperate to have that connection with any and all siblings.
I know Phil kept some secrets from her too-when he died, she didn't know he had a son at the age of 18. It was years later, when his friend and album cover artist Jim Fitzpatrick told her, she got a shock (child was put up for adoption). It was around the 2000s that Phil's son, MacDaragh Lambe, tracked down his mother, and then later Philomena.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/lynott-sons-joy-as-phils-family-recognise-him-26666547.html

That article also mentions how it was in 2010 or so that she acknowledged her other children.

Yeah, I just wouldn’t judge her for that at all. We don’t know why she placed subsequent children up for adoption. Maybe economic reasons. She had already sent Philip to live with her parents. I have no idea what it’s like to put a child up for adoption. Maybe as a coping mechanism, some people who do so put the children out of their mind because it’s less painful that way. I think in the UK do have a right to know who their birth parents are but there’s no guarantee they will be able to establish a relationship with their biological parents. And forcing a person’s hand by going to the media is hardly fair. That’s taking advantage of Phil Lynott’s fame just as much.

Mental Mickey · 13-06-2019 7:06pm

https://rip.ie/death-notice/philomena-lynott-sutton-dublin/390589

branie2 · 13-06-2019 7:21pm

May she rest in peace

decky1 · 13-06-2019 9:01pm

branie2 wrote: »

May she rest in peace

Im not too sure when you read what the tigh's are coming up with here at the moment.:mad:

chicorytip · 13-06-2019 10:31pm

Strazdas wrote:

Thin Lizzy were brilliant at their peak, but Phil's career had stalled by the 80s. It didn't help that rock went out of fashion for a while and the charts were totally dominated by pop.

He was a talented musician and was generous to and supportive of other up and coming musicians like the Boomtown Rats and Gary Moore. He was also a feckless and irresponsible individual in his private life particularly in regard to the abuse of drugs. He died a chronic Heroin addict and never made any attempts to reform himself.This cannot be overlooked. Yet, we decide to erect a statue on Grafton Street in his honour. They named an airport after George Best as well - another individual with great talent who also possessed deep character flaws. All this does is glorify addiction and is symbolic of the deep hypocrisy that often exists at the core of Irish society.

Mental Mickey · 13-06-2019 11:08pm

chicorytip wrote: »

He was a talented musician and was generous to and supportive of other up and coming musicians like the Boomtown Rats and Gary Moore. He was also a feckless and irresponsible individual in his private life particularly in regard to the abuse of drugs. He died a chronic Heroin addict and never made any attempts to reform himself.This cannot be overlooked. Yet, we decide to erect a statue on Grafton Street in his honour. They named an airport after George Best as well - another individual with great talent who also possessed deep character flaws. All this does is glorify addiction and is symbolic of the deep hypocrisy that often exists at the core of Irish society.

No it doesn't. It was erected to commemorate his contribution to Irish music.

Strumms · 14-06-2019 1:31am

Mental Mickey wrote: »

No it doesn't. It was erected to commemorate his contribution to Irish music.

Yes, correct. There are statues of people erected to commemorate Irish people all over this country and all over the world. For their contributions and achievements to and for the country of Ireland both historical and ongoing, for what they MEAN TO PEOPLE...

There won’t be one of these human beings who didn’t at one point or another...fûck up, make bad decisions, hurt themselves or another person even if involuntarily.

Ireland clearly meant a lot to Phil and he to a lot of Ireland and that continues to this day. Let THAT be celebrated even if you ‘dont get it’ or ‘don’t agree’ yourself. Accept it, rather then belittling it.

If you are not a fan of his, ok, but maybe a bit of gravitas and understanding might be wise, understand that both he and his music meant and STILL mean a lot to people in this country.

RabbleRouser2k · 14-06-2019 1:44am

Mental Mickey wrote: »

https://rip.ie/death-notice/philomena-lynott-sutton-dublin/390589

Why are they livestreaming the funeral?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-06-2019 7:31am

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Why are they livestreaming the funeral?

For people who can’t make it from far-flung places in time? Have you never heard of people doing that? You really seem very determined to criticise anything to do with her.

RabbleRouser2k · 14-06-2019 10:20am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

For people who can’t make it from far-flung places in time? Have you never heard of people doing that? You really seem very determined to criticise anything to do with her.

To me that's just strange. Usually if you couldn't make the funeral, you sent a card or a letter as a form of condolence.

And no, I've never heard of it being done. Barring Michael Jackson or Princess Diana's funerals.

Mental Mickey · 14-06-2019 11:08am

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Why are they livestreaming the funeral?

Because I'd say there would be thousands of people who would be interested

adox · 14-06-2019 7:05pm

Many funerals are live streamed these days as a matter of course.

ArnoldJRimmer · 14-06-2019 7:21pm

I had never heard of this practice until last month when a relation died at home (I live in the US). A lot of larger cathedrals now have 24 hour streaming, so the elderly and infirm can watch/ attend mass. I'm not a religious man, but I found it comforting to be able to have some small part in the send-off, I think its a good idea in this instance too

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-06-2019 11:35pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

To me that's just strange. Usually if you couldn't make the funeral, you sent a card or a letter as a form of condolence.

And no, I've never heard of it being done. Barring Michael Jackson or Princess Diana's funerals.

I have. Just normal families. Lots of people have family in the Antipodes who can’t make it back at short notice. I think it’s a nice idea. It will become more common, I’m sure.

Mam of 4 · 14-06-2019 11:41pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I have. Just normal families. Lots of people have family in the Antipodes who can’t make it back at short notice. I think it’s a nice idea. It will become more common, I’m sure.

Our local Church live streams all it's services .
They will also provide a dvd of a funeral service if you wish to have it .

padd b1975 · 15-06-2019 2:53am

Mental Mickey wrote: »

There was plans for a film a few years ago, but it never materialised

Probably not enough money on offer to cooperate.

RabbleRouser2k · 15-06-2019 9:20am

padd b1975 wrote: »

Probably not enough money on offer to cooperate.

I remember there being lots of movies planned that didn't happen (A Jimi Hendrix one too that fell apart). The Irish Times has a decent, short article on it, from around 2004.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/us-actor-gary-dourdan-to-play-phil-lynott-in-film-about-his-life-1.1164401

I think the Sunday World did a LOT of articles about it too.

And then the movie hit the skids when Gary Dourdan (who was allegedly cast as Phil) got busted for drugs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-csi-arrest/csi-star-gary-dourdan-faces-drug-charges-idUSN2937686920080430?sp=true

I imagine that Dourdan, being the lead, was now a liability. A court case, insurance, and many other things, made the studio dicey.

But the movie stopped altogether when the remaining Thin Lizzy band members wanted the script entirely rewritten, because it was focusing too much on sensationalizing Phil's drug problems.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/lizzy-rockers-halt-hollywood-biopic-387774.html

Probably didn't help that Walk Hard came out the year before the film was axed-that movie parodied music biopics, incredibly well.

Allegedly Omero Mumba was cast as young Phil. I call bull on that tho-the Mumba siblings always hyped themselves up for phantom, non-existent projects.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-06-2019 9:28am

chicorytip wrote: »

He was a talented musician and was generous to and supportive of other up and coming musicians like the Boomtown Rats and Gary Moore. He was also a feckless and irresponsible individual in his private life particularly in regard to the abuse of drugs. He died a chronic Heroin addict and never made any attempts to reform himself.This cannot be overlooked. Yet, we decide to erect a statue on Grafton Street in his honour. They named an airport after George Best as well - another individual with great talent who also possessed deep character flaws. All this does is glorify addiction and is symbolic of the deep hypocrisy that often exists at the core of Irish society.

Our media completely ignore every non mainstream act that visits Dublin. Most of them stop to get a photo at the statue.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-06-2019 9:30am

bigpink wrote: »

Was she a celebrity aswell?Was she well known for music or what

She was yeah I've seen her at a lot of gigs. Always supported young bands.

adox · 15-06-2019 10:26am

There is a new documentary being made for cinema release made by Emer Reynolds, who made the excellent The Farthest.

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2019/0122/1024701-phil-lynott-story-coming-to-cinemas-in-new-documentary/

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-06-2019 11:03am

chicorytip wrote: »

He was a talented musician and was generous to and supportive of other up and coming musicians like the Boomtown Rats and Gary Moore. He was also a feckless and irresponsible individual in his private life particularly in regard to the abuse of drugs. He died a chronic Heroin addict and never made any attempts to reform himself.This cannot be overlooked. Yet, we decide to erect a statue on Grafton Street in his honour. They named an airport after George Best as well - another individual with great talent who also possessed deep character flaws. All this does is glorify addiction and is symbolic of the deep hypocrisy that often exists at the core of Irish society.

Yeah, when I saw that statue of Lynott, I went out to find some smack straight away. And I hear that teachers extol the virtues of heroin to their classes on school tours when visiting the statue.

RabbleRouser2k · 15-06-2019 12:14pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, when I saw that statue of Lynott, I went out to find some smack straight away. And I hear that teachers extol the virtues of heroin to their classes on school tours when visiting the statue.

A flawed individual, for sure. Seems he pressurised himself to the point of destruction.

Everyone wants to be a rockstar, they forget its a business. Once you grab the audience, you gotta work yer butt off to keep em. Poor Phil gave into the pressures, and then having a family and wife to support, he dived deeper into drugs.

Nikki Sixx · 15-06-2019 12:22pm

She seemed like a very decent woman, maybe too nice to take on her son about his addiction. May she Rest In Peace.

RabbleRouser2k · 15-06-2019 12:37pm

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

She seemed like a very decent woman, maybe too nice to take on her son about his addiction. May she Rest In Peace.

Apparently she wasn't told how bad it was. Like, when he got sick, she knew his schedule and just thought he was ran down. (He'd been really sick during a Thin Lizzy tour before, overworked and pushing himself too far that he got hepatitis, which meant the tour had to be delayed, and really prevented them from becoming major rockstars).
Sadly, the band had to let her know that he was doing hard drugs, not just heavy marijuana (which she admitted to smoking as well).

She went to see him in hospital, and saw the track marks, the places in his legs, between the toes etc where he'd been injecting to hide the track marks (because if you want to wear short sleeve shirts, you don't inject in the arms).

She thought she could help him, take him home and help him recuperate... but a day or two later, Phil called for a priest to administer the last rites.

'Old Town' is one of the most confessional songs Phil ever wrote, frankly.

This boy is crackin' up
This boy has broken down
This boy is crackin' up
This boy has broke down

Philomena said when she listens to those lyrics-it's Phil essentially saying he's not long for this world. His drug problem had worsened, and 2 years later his marriage was over, and 2 years after that, his life was quenched.

Mental Mickey · 15-06-2019 10:52pm

chicorytip wrote: »

He was a talented musician and was generous to and supportive of other up and coming musicians like the Boomtown Rats and Gary Moore. He was also a feckless and irresponsible individual in his private life particularly in regard to the abuse of drugs. He died a chronic Heroin addict and never made any attempts to reform himself.This cannot be overlooked. Yet, we decide to erect a statue on Grafton Street in his honour. They named an airport after George Best as well - another individual with great talent who also possessed deep character flaws. All this does is glorify addiction and is symbolic of the deep hypocrisy that often exists at the core of Irish society.

The statue was for recognition of his contribution to to Irish music. Nothing to do with drugs

JP Liz V1 · 16-06-2019 12:53am

RIP

Mental Mickey · 17-06-2019 12:06pm

adox wrote: »

Many funerals are live streamed these days as a matter of course.

It's streaming now

Philomena Lynott RIP

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