Electric Gates

RonTon · 28-01-2020 1:47pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Let us know how you get on.
I want to do similar with my faac gate.
I've been planing on modding my spare gate remote so a sonoff can pulse it.

Will do , I think it will be a week or so before it arrives...

danny004 · 28-01-2020 2:02pm

RonTon wrote: »

I ordered a sonoff rf hub ,gonna try that ,under €20 delivered so worth a punt ,hopefully it will read and learn the frequency , as far as I can tell mine isn’t a rolling code so it might work .
If that doesn’t work I’ll try the broad link hub

I did this recently but had an existing button inside the hall to open the gates ,I bought a cheap wifi 1 channel switch from amazon and paralleled the switch with the button.
The switch I then configured a routine in IFTTT and created a shortcut on my iphone so now I can say Hey Siri open the gates
My wife has an android phone and thats even easier to configure saying OK Google but also you can create a perimeter around your home of like 500 meters so when the phone enters the perimeter then the gates start to open so by the time the car arrives they are already opened.
Reason I put in the gates is family member makes gates and friend sells kits and installs . In 8 years they have never given a singe days trouble and although the box that holds the motor and hydraulic unit is not waterproof to any standard with proper soakaway you will never have trouble.
I identify with people talking about snobery etc for electric gates but when I got then at the time the kids were young so it kept them in ,now kids are a little older they are just part of the house.
Between 4 and 5k all in id say is about right

RonTon · 28-01-2020 2:13pm

danny004 wrote: »

I did this recently but had an existing button inside the hall to open the gates ,I bought a cheap wifi 1 channel switch from amazon and paralleled the switch with the button.
The switch I then configured a routine in IFTTT and created a shortcut on my iphone so now I can say Hey Siri open the gates
My wife has an android phone and thats even easier to configure saying OK Google but also you can create a perimeter around your home of like 500 meters so when the phone enters the perimeter then the gates start to open so by the time the car arrives they are already opened.
Reason I put in the gates is family member makes gates and friend sells kits and installs . In 8 years they have never given a singe days trouble and although the box that holds the motor and hydraulic unit is not waterproof to any standard with proper soakaway you will never have trouble.
I identify with people talking about snobery etc for electric gates but when I got then at the time the kids were young so it kept them in ,now kids are a little older they are just part of the house.
Between 4 and 5k all in id say is about right

I just wouldn’t know where to wire a Wi-Fi switch in the box by the gate(waterproof box ,the company that did mine did a great job no problem in 5 years with it ,they gave me an option of putting in a phone sim but I didn’t want a monthly cost of that ) ,I’m hoping with my solution there’d be none of that wiring to the control box

RonTon · 31-01-2020 10:56am

So the Sonoff rf bridge came sooner than I expected,setup was easy but unfortunately it wouldn’t pair with the fob ...
Back to the drawing board ...
Any other suggestions welcome

RonTon · 31-01-2020 1:21pm

danny004 wrote: »

I did this recently but had an existing button inside the hall to open the gates ,I bought a cheap wifi 1 channel switch from amazon and paralleled the switch with the button.
The switch I then configured a routine in IFTTT and created a shortcut on my iphone so now I can say Hey Siri open the gates
My wife has an android phone and thats even easier to configure saying OK Google but also you can create a perimeter around your home of like 500 meters so when the phone enters the perimeter then the gates start to open so by the time the car arrives they are already opened.
Reason I put in the gates is family member makes gates and friend sells kits and installs . In 8 years they have never given a singe days trouble and although the box that holds the motor and hydraulic unit is not waterproof to any standard with proper soakaway you will never have trouble.
I identify with people talking about snobery etc for electric gates but when I got then at the time the kids were young so it kept them in ,now kids are a little older they are just part of the house.
Between 4 and 5k all in id say is about right

Would u be able to give a description of what you did with the Wi-Fi switch ?
I have a button in hall (wired) to open gate
Thanks

kub · 01-02-2020 1:32am

RonTon wrote: »

So the Sonoff rf bridge came sooner than I expected,setup was easy but unfortunately it wouldn’t pair with the fob ...
Back to the drawing board ...
Any other suggestions welcome

A Sonoff will not pair with your gate remote, they are on totally different frequencies.
The way a Sonoff is connected is that it gets paired with your Wifi.
It then needs to be wired to the pulse input of your gate controller.
Use the Common and Normally Open terminals of the Sonoff.
Do you have a switch anywhere that you could use to connect the Sonoff unit to?

tech · 01-02-2020 7:26am

was also looking at doing the same, I think you need the Sonoff Pro as this can be powered by a 12v power

If youd use a sonoff std switch , this would be 220v? and would fry the gate remote?

https://sonoff.tech/product/wifi-diy-smart-switches/4ch-r2-pro-r2

RonTon · 01-02-2020 6:01pm

It’s a sonoff bridge that sends out a Rf signal, itlearns a signal that u pair it with ,works with up to 4 separate fobs/remotes with up to 4 buttons that I bought ,controllable through phone app ,if it did pair with fob it would has been perfect, my fob is a ditec GOL4 C ,as far as I could see the C model isn’t a rolling code so it could of worked , there’s many clips of it working with garage doors on YouTube but also examples of it not working...
It’s was worth a punt I thought..
I’m sure there is a place on on control box by gate a Wi-Fi switch could be added or somehow to add a Wi-Fi switch to the intercom/button in hall to open gate but I don’t know how to do that.
If anyone knows where there’s a link to instructions how to do that I’d really appreciate it .
Tyty

01-02-2020 7:21pm

tech wrote: »

If youd use a sonoff std switch , this would be 220v? and would fry the gate remote?

https://sonoff.tech/product/wifi-diy-smart-switches/4ch-r2-pro-r2

Oh you need to make a mod to the sonoff.
It's just cutting a trace on the PCB with a hacksaw.
Turns it into a no voltage contact.
Have a look on YouTube.

I went to do it last night but had used up my stock of sonoffs.

I might connect my sonoff to the intercom button.
I have access to the cable up in the attic.

kub · 02-02-2020 3:09pm

RonTon wrote: »

It’s a sonoff bridge that sends out a Rf signal, itlearns a signal that u pair it with ,works with up to 4 separate fobs/remotes with up to 4 buttons that I bought ,controllable through phone app ,if it did pair with fob it would has been perfect, my fob is a ditec GOL4 C ,as far as I could see the C model isn’t a rolling code so it could of worked , there’s many clips of it working with garage doors on YouTube but also examples of it not working...
It’s was worth a punt I thought..
I’m sure there is a place on on control box by gate a Wi-Fi switch could be added or somehow to add a Wi-Fi switch to the intercom/button in hall to open gate but I don’t know how to do that.
If anyone knows where there’s a link to instructions how to do that I’d really appreciate it .
Tyty

My apologies I did not know there was such a selection of Sonoff products.

Technically what you are looking for is possible but gate remotes can be a tough one.
Each manufacturer has their own models and even the same manufacturer has an array of same which will not function with others which the same manufacturer has.
Then multiply that by the amount of different manufacturers out there and you have an issue.

You might be as well off to get a Sonoff unit with either a pair of dry contacts, or one with a 220v contact and run a 220v relay off same for a dry contact situation, but this will need to be hard wired to your controller ons way or another.

tech · 02-02-2020 5:58pm

That was my plan also to hard wire a spare remote to a Sonoff Pro and let this pulse it.

I have bought a RTU 5035 and wired this to the garage door, and can GSM call this unit and it pulsed the garage door to open it. I havent a way to close the door remotly.

As the garage door only auto opens. it press and hold a button on the remote to close.

keg · 03-02-2020 11:11pm

Has anyone any experience with Came electric gate motors and the Came connect app? The functionality of the app sounds interesting. How reliable is Came as a brand vs. Benica?

keg · 04-02-2020 9:15pm

keg wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with Came electric gate motors and the Came connect app? The functionality of the app sounds interesting. How reliable is Came as a brand vs. Benica?

Any experience anyone?

kub · 04-02-2020 9:34pm

keg wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with Came electric gate motors and the Came connect app? The functionality of the app sounds interesting. How reliable is Came as a brand vs. Benica?

I cannot say much about Benica as I do not have much experience with it but Came is a brand I have been working with since the 90's.
I have no hesitation in using Came equipment and it is our first choice.
As for the Came Connect App, I did a training course on it and it is impressive.

tech · 04-02-2020 9:40pm

HI Kub,

can you tell me more about the cameconnect I have Frog kit fitted. Do you know home much its costs?

Thanks

kub · 05-02-2020 8:34am

tech wrote: »

HI Kub,

can you tell me more about the cameconnect I have Frog kit fitted. Do you know home much its costs?

Thanks

How old is your frog kit and do you know what particular model of controller you have there?

I cannot remember the cost of the Came Connect unit.

Homer · 11-02-2020 11:07am

Anybody know if its a DIY job to order and add a gsm dialler to the current gate setup we have? 2 years old CAME unit

mountai · 11-02-2020 11:21am

Supply companies are not supposed to sell gate equipment to "Unregistered" people . Had this problem recently when I had to replace an underground motor .So I purchased a new motor from UK about 40% cheaper anyway . Fitted it myself and Bobs your Uncle .

tech · 11-02-2020 11:37am

Homer wrote: »

Anybody know if its a DIY job to order and add a gsm dialler to the current gate setup we have? 2 years old CAME unit

HI ya

I got the AES Prime 6 and its a greats job, but I since purchased a RTU 5035 unit to tweak the garage door and this cost 35e!! and works a treat it sends a pulse to the motor and the door opens.

RonTon · 21-05-2020 5:41pm

Ordered the BroadLink rm Pro from Bangood a couple of weeks ago to automate my electric gate ,did a quick setup today
Happy to say it works , it’s powered inside shed that’s near to the gate and Wi-Fi is good
I added a 1 gang switch in the broadlink app (iOS) and worked first time adding the RF from the fob whereas the Sonoff wouldn’t pick up the RF signal .

Delivered ,the Broadlink cost €43 from Spanish warehouse .

22-05-2020 4:31pm

mountai wrote: »

Supply companies are not supposed to sell gate equipment to "Unregistered" people

Completely untrue which is why no links can be found to support this.

Just like alarm equipment, CCTV equipment and electrical accessories anyone is permitted to purchase them.

It would seem to me that some vested interests have attempted to pressurize suppliers into only selling to registered installers but have failed abysmally.

blackbox · 19-06-2020 4:26pm

I'm looking to get automatic gate actuators.

I have mains power at one gate post, but would like to avoid having to cut a channel in the driveway to supply power to the other gate.

If I get a solar powered system will I still have to run a wire across the driveway for the control signal or do any of them work by radio signal?

kub · 20-06-2020 3:52pm

2011 wrote: »

Completely untrue which is why no links can be found to support this.

Just like alarm equipment, CCTV equipment and electrical accessories anyone is permitted to purchase them.

It would seem to me that some vested interests have attempted to pressurize suppliers into only selling to registered installers but have failed abysmally.

Whilst what you mentioned is indeed true, the huge issus with gate automation is that the HSA have issued guidelines of same and that automatic gates have killed and injured people in the last few years.

We as installers now have to put safety above all else when automating gates and have to risk assess for every eventuallity.
The automatic gate systems have to comply with machinery directives and i advise anyone here who is thinking of a DIY gate installation to please think again because if anything happens to anyone afterwards then it is the person that worked on the automation that will be held responsible.

kub · 20-06-2020 5:15pm

blackbox wrote: »

I'm looking to get automatic gate actuators.

I have mains power at one gate post, but would like to avoid having to cut a channel in the driveway to supply power to the other gate.

If I get a solar powered system will I still have to run a wire across the driveway for the control signal or do any of them work by radio signal?

As per my previous post and most of mine since the HSA directive was published I would advise you to employ a professional contractor to automate your gates.

But to answer your query, your controller will be fitted on the side of the gate that your mains cable is at.
From the gate controller the cabling goes to everything else, therefore both motors are wired from the controller.
Sorry but the way it works is, the controller has to provide the power to the motors, when you need the gates to move.

I hope that makes sense.

eagle eye · 23-06-2020 4:21pm

I'm in the market for electric gates. Can anybody recommend somebody to me? I just want to make sure I get a good company to install them.

tech · 23-06-2020 4:34pm

where are you located

eagle eye · 23-06-2020 4:52pm

tech wrote:

where are you located

Midlands.

tech · 23-06-2020 5:35pm

Don't know anyone up the Midlands

Have you thoughts on the following

Intercom in house
gsm intercom
Gsm gate opener if not going for gsm intercom
Keypad access
Gate style
Lights on entrance walls

Have you cables ran back to house, power , cat 5 or poly poly?

eagle eye wrote: »

Midlands.

eagle eye · 23-06-2020 5:56pm

tech wrote:

Don't know anyone up the Midlands

I don't know anyone

tech wrote:

Have you thoughts on the following

Intercom in house gsm intercom Gsm gate opener if not going for gsm intercom Keypad access Gate style Lights on entrance walls

Want intercom, keypad and fobs.

tech wrote:

Have you cables ran back to house, power , cat 5 or poly poly?

I have lights in the garden so have power right beside the gates.

tech · 23-06-2020 8:46pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know anyone

Want intercom, keypad and fobs.

I have lights in the garden so have power right beside the gates.

Are these lights on a switch, if the switch is off the gates wont have power? unless you have spare cores?

elperello · 23-06-2020 9:00pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know anyone

Want intercom, keypad and fobs.

I have lights in the garden so have power right beside the gates.

Think again about the intercom.
Anyone you want to talk to will have your mobile no.
Do you really want to be having conversations with random callers, salesmen etc. ?

blackbox · 23-06-2020 11:35pm

kub wrote: »

As per my previous post and most of mine since the HSA directive was published I would advise you to employ a professional contractor to automate your gates.

But to answer your query, your controller will be fitted on the side of the gate that your mains cable is at.
From the gate controller the cabling goes to everything else, therefore both motors are wired from the controller.
Sorry but the way it works is, the controller has to provide the power to the motors, when you need the gates to move.

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks - very helpful. No sense then in going to the extra expense of solar.

After a bit of digging (literally) I found an existing duct under the driveway today.

I believe that the kit i'm considering is fully compliant but I'll review that HSA directive before proceeding.

kub · 24-06-2020 5:14pm

blackbox wrote: »

Thanks - very helpful. No sense then in going to the extra expense of solar.

After a bit of digging (literally) I found an existing duct under the driveway today.

I believe that the kit i'm considering is fully compliant but I'll review that HSA directive before proceeding.

That is incredible luck, do the lotto soon

That HSA documentation requires a strong coffee, have a read of it and thank you for approching this the right way

maw · 19-07-2020 1:15am

Any recommendations for installers in South Wexford?

Alittlehelp45 · 15-08-2020 6:53pm

Hi,

Just wondering if it necessary to have a PSA licenced installer for domestic electric gates. A close friend is retired and no longer holds a licence and is offering to install motors for less than the market rate and I just want to understand any implications of using him e.g. insurance etc. The HSA document references “component person” but doesn’t specify licensed.
Thanks

kub · 15-08-2020 7:41pm

Alittlehelp45 wrote: »

Hi,

Just wondering if it necessary to have a PSA licenced installer for domestic electric gates. A close friend is retired and no longer holds a licence and is offering to install motors for less than the market rate and I just want to understand any implications of using him e.g. insurance etc. The HSA document references “component person” but doesn’t specify licensed.
Thanks

The short answer is yes, it comes under the sphere of Access Control.

HSA do not give a care about PSA.

bifl · 18-08-2020 1:56pm

Has anyone any experience with slider gates. No particular reason I'm considering bar I like the look of the gates themselves.

I did talk to one meal fabricator and he said the cantileaver are better as they don't run on rollers which do need minding/replacing. Also as I want a fully solid gate they are supposed to be better as a solid center opening can be put under more pressure in windy days.

Thanks

dazed+confused · 18-08-2020 2:24pm

As above, interested in a single, sliding gate, but the point about maintenance is a good one.

Based in mid-Louth if anyone has as suggestions for installers.

kub · 18-08-2020 10:02pm

bifl wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with slider gates. No particular reason I'm considering bar I like the look of the gates themselves.

I did talk to one meal fabricator and he said the cantileaver are better as they don't run on rollers which do need minding/replacing. Also as I want a fully solid gate they are supposed to be better as a solid center opening can be put under more pressure in windy days.

Thanks

Your fabricator is right, there is indeed less physical maintenance on the actual gates with a cantilever design.
Yes sliders are better than swinging gates when it comes to wind tolerances etc.
Having said all that, the health and safety considerations on a slider are usually more than those on a swinging set up.

Have you got the necessary space for a Slider ?

bifl · 19-08-2020 3:13pm

kub wrote: »

Your fabricator is right, there is indeed less physical maintenance on the actual gates with a cantilever design.
Yes sliders are better than swinging gates when it comes to wind tolerances etc.
Having said all that, the health and safety considerations on a slider are usually more than those on a swinging set up.

Have you got the necessary space for a Slider ?

Yes, I have the space to run the slider so that wouldn't be a problem.
I fancy a solid gate for privacy so a slider and preferably a cantilever would be the job. I just have to get a price on both a center opening and slider and see if the price difference is worth it.

Have kids but I presume the slider has the necessary sensors, but could see how they would be possibly more dangerous.

kub · 19-08-2020 8:13pm

bifl wrote: »

Yes, I have the space to run the slider so that wouldn't be a problem.
I fancy a solid gate for privacy so a slider and preferably a cantilever would be the job. I just have to get a price on both a center opening and slider and see if the price difference is worth it.

Have kids but I presume the slider has the necessary sensors, but could see how they would be possibly more dangerous.

Once the automation meets with the necessary HSA and indeed manufacturers safety standards, then all should be perfect.
Do not take any short cuts with automatic gates, do it once and do it right.

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