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Your irish 23 for the 2019 rugby world cup

  • 09-08-2015 12:50pm
    #1
    The Lost Sheep
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    threads like this are utterly pointless but its fun to put our opinions up based on what we think we know now and then look back in years to come and see how right or how terribly wrong we were.
    This was done before the last world cup.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056389107

    So anyone want to try predict a squad for 4 years time?


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  • #2
    Fireball07
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    Everyone was terrible the last time, really bad. Nobody picked POC, a lot of people dropped people too quickly in general.

    15. JJ Hanrahan (27)
    14. Rory Scholes (26)
    13. Robbie Henshaw (26)
    12. Stuart Olding (26)
    11. Luke Fitzgerald (31)
    10. Ross Byrne (24)
    9. Conor Murray (30)
    8. Jamie Heaslip (35)
    7. Sean O'Brien (32)
    6. Peter O'Mahony (29)
    5. Dave Foley (31)
    4. Iain Henderson (27)
    3. Martin Moore (28)
    2. Duncan Casey (28)
    1. Cian Healy (31)

    16. Bryan Byrne (25)
    17. Jack McGrath (29)
    18. Tadhg Furlong (26)
    19. John Madigan (25)
    20. Jack O'Donoghue (25)/Jake Heenan (27)/Rhys Ruddock (28)
    21. Kieran Marmion (27)
    22. Paddy Jackson (27)
    23. Keith Earls (31)


  • #3
    connachta
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    15. JJ Hanrahan (27)
    14. Danie Poolman (30)
    13. Robbie Henshaw (26)
    12. Stuart Olding (26)
    11. Luke Fitzgerald (31)
    10. Ian Madigan (30)
    9. Conor Murray (30)
    8. Jordi Murphy (28)
    7. Sean O'Brien (32)
    6. Peter O'Mahony (29)
    5. Dave Foley (31)
    4. Iain Henderson (27)
    3. Martin Moore (28)
    2. Duncan Casey (28)
    1. Cian Healy (31)

    16. Dave Heffernan (28)
    17. Denis Buckley (29)
    18. Tadhg Furlong (26)
    19. Ultan Dillane (26)
    20. Jake Heenan (27)/Rhys Ruddock (28)
    21. Kieran Marmion (27)
    22. Paddy Jackson (27)
    23. Bundee AKi (29)


  • #4
    sydneybound
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    No Sexton at 34? Reckon he'll still be the main out half till after the 2019 World Cup.


  • #5
    connachta
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    sydneybound wrote: »
    No Sexton at 34? Reckon he'll still be the main out half till after the 2019 World Cup.

    No, I'll keep going with Madigan, O'Gara at 34 was declining fast


  • #6
    connachta
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    connachta wrote: »
    15. JJ Hanrahan (27)
    14. Danie Poolman (30)
    13. Robbie Henshaw (26)
    12. Stuart Olding (26)
    11. Luke Fitzgerald (31)
    10. Ian Madigan (30)
    9. Conor Murray (30)
    8. Jordi Murphy (28)
    7. Sean O'Brien (32)
    6. Peter O'Mahony (29)
    5. Dave Foley (31)
    4. Iain Henderson (27)
    3. Martin Moore (28)
    2. Duncan Casey (28)
    1. Cian Healy (31)

    16. Dave Heffernan (28)
    17. Denis Buckley (29)
    18. Tadhg Furlong (26)
    19. Ultan Dillane (26)
    20. Jake Heenan (27)/Rhys Ruddock (28)
    21. Kieran Marmion (27)
    22. Paddy Jackson (27)
    23. Bundee AKi (29)

    I like the homogeneity, from 26 to 31 y.o could mean cohesion


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  • #7
    mfceiling
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    Ringrose??


  • #8
    sydneybound
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    connachta wrote: »
    No, I'll keep going with Madigan, O'Gara at 34 was declining fast

    Very true about O'Gara. I don't think Sexton has had as many hard battles as O'Gara so hopefully for Ireland he can last till 2019. The IRFU will carefully manage him that's for certain.


  • #9
    twistertwise00
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    15. Rob Kearney(33)
    14. Craig Gilroy(28)
    13. Garry Ringrose(24)
    12. Robbie Henshaw(26)
    11. Luke Fitzgerald(31)
    10. Jonathan Sexton(34)
    9. Conor Murray(30)
    8. Jack Conan(27)
    7. Sean O'Brien(32)
    6. Peter O'Mahony(29)
    5. Devin Toner(33)
    4. Iain Henderson(27)
    3. Tadhg Furlong(26)
    2. Sean Cronin(33)
    1. Cian Healy(31)

    16. Duncan Casey(28)
    17. Jack McGrath(29)
    18. Martin Moore(28)
    19. Dave Foley(31)
    20. Jordi Murphy(28)
    21. John Cooney(29)
    22. Paddy Jackson(27)
    23. Keith Earls(31)


  • #10
    twistertwise00
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    sydneybound wrote: »
    Very true about O'Gara. I don't think Sexton has had as many hard battles as O'Gara so hopefully for Ireland he can last till 2019. The IRFU will carefully manage him that's for certain.

    Sexton has a contract til 2019 anyway.

    Only way he doesn't make next World Cup is injury.


  • #11
    Celly Smunt
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    I didn't read the "4 years time" part and thought everybody was gone mad there for a minute.


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  • #12
    bilston
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    Having seen how badly wrong people were 4 years ago this is a pretty difficult task. I think there are always far fewer changes than people think and then of course there are bolsters like Henshaw who are impossible to predict because they are only 16 or 17 now.

    15 Stuart Olding - if he manages to stay fit I think we'll find that he may move position, he could even up at 10, but I've liked what I seen of him at FB. Kearney could easily still be in position though.
    14 Luke Fitzgerald - all his injuries to date may prolong his career
    13 Robbie Henshaw - safe bet, although Ringrose is a talent
    12 Sam Arnold - only 19 and already has a couple of pro 12 caps under his belt and has already been promoted from the Ulster academy, I think he is quite a prospect.
    11 Simon Zebo - May make the 11 jersey his own once Bowe and Trimble etc retire
    10 Paddy Jackson - Sexton may still be a factor and then there are the likes of Byrne and JJ, but I think Jackson is most likely to be the 10.
    9 Conor Murray - safe bet
    1 Cian Healy - injury allowing a safe bet
    2 Sean Cronin - next in line to Best
    3 Tadgh Furlong - very promising TH, could make the position his own for 10 years
    4 Devin Toner - struggling here a bit, but I think Toner could still be around, he isn't renowned for his pace and athleticism so age shouldn't dim his strengths
    5 Iain Henderson - will be in the team, not sure if in the second row or back row
    6 Peter O'Mahony - if he is in the team will be captain
    7 Sean O'Brien - hopefully his body holds up
    8 Jack O'Donoghue - very impressed by what I've seen of JOD. He could well be Heaslip's successor.


  • #13
    Hagz
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    1. Cian Healy (31/32)
    2. Richardt Strauss (33)
    3. Tadhg Furlong (26)
    4. Devin Toner (33)
    5. Iain Henderson (27)
    6. Peter O'Mahony (30)
    7. Sean O'Brien (32)
    8. Jack O'Donoghue (25)
    9. Conor Murray (30)
    10. Jonathan Sexton (34)
    11. Keith Earls (31/32)
    12. Robbie Henshaw (26)
    13. Garry Ringrose (24)
    14. Craig Gilroy (28)
    15. Rob Kearney (33)


  • #14
    bradders90
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    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Everyone was terrible the last time, really bad. Nobody picked POC, a lot of people dropped people too quickly in general.

    15. JJ Hanrahan (27)
    14. Rory Scholes (26)
    13. Robbie Henshaw (26)
    12. Stuart Olding (26)
    11. Luke Fitzgerald (31)
    10. Ross Byrne (24)
    9. Conor Murray (30)
    8. Jamie Heaslip (35)
    7. Sean O'Brien (32)
    6. Peter O'Mahony (29)
    5. Dave Foley (31)
    4. Iain Henderson (27)
    3. Martin Moore (28)
    2. Duncan Casey (28)
    1. Cian Healy (31)

    16. Bryan Byrne (25)
    17. Jack McGrath (29)
    18. Tadhg Furlong (26)
    19. John Madigan (25)
    20. Jack O'Donoghue (25)/Jake Heenan (27)/Rhys Ruddock (28)
    21. Kieran Marmion (27)
    22. Paddy Jackson (27)
    23. Keith Earls (31)

    Can totally see Heaslip playing when hes 35, a Neanderthal, even injuries are scared to go near him.


  • #15
    bradders90
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    bilston wrote: »
    12 Sam Arnold - only 19 and already has a couple of pro 12 caps under his belt and has already been promoted from the Ulster academy, I think he is quite a prospect.

    Where'd you hear that he had already been promoted, have ulster announced it or something?


  • #16
    bilston
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    bradders90 wrote: »
    Where'd you hear that he had already been promoted, have ulster announced it or something?

    Someone on the Uafc forum said he had got a development contract along with a couple of other players. Paul Jackson may have been one of the others. Would need to check the forum again.


  • #17
    The Lost Sheep
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    Considering I started the thread may as well put my own team...
    I think it helps if you put age player will be in 4 years time just as guide to other posters etc

    15 Rob Kearney (33)
    14 Keith Earls (31)
    13 Robbie Henshaw (26)
    12 Luke Marshall (28)
    11 Cian Kelleher (25)
    10 Paddy Jackson (27)
    9 Conor Murray (30)
    1 Cian Healy (31)
    2 Niall Scannell (27)
    3 Tadhg Furlong (26)
    4 Dave Foley (31)
    5 Ian Henderson (27)
    6 Peter O Mahony (30)
    7 Sean O Brien (32)
    8 Jack O Donoghue (25)
    16 James Cronin (29)
    17 Duncan Casey (28)
    18 Martin Moore (28)
    19 John Madigan (25)
    20 Jordi Murphy (28)
    21 Kieran Marmion (27)
    22 Ross Byrne (24)
    23 Stuart Olding (26)


  • #18
    Tox56
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Considering I started the thread may as well put my own team...
    I think it helps if you put age player will be in 4 years time just as guide to other posters etc

    15 Rob Kearney (33)
    14 Keith Earls (31)
    13 Robbie Henshaw (26)
    12 Luke Marshall (28)
    11 Cian Kelleher (25)
    10 Paddy Jackson (27)
    9 Conor Murray (30)
    1 Cian Healy (31)
    2 Niall Scannell (27)
    3 Tadhg Furlong (26)
    4 Dave Foley (31)
    5 Ian Henderson (27)
    6 Peter O Mahony (30)
    7 Sean O Brien (32)
    8 Jack O Donoghue (25)
    16 James Cronin (29)
    17 Duncan Casey (28)
    18 Martin Moore (28)
    19 John Madigan (25)
    20 Jordi Murphy (28)
    21 Kieran Marmion (27)
    22 Ross Byrne (24)
    23 Stuart Olding (26)

    I think Heaslip will still be there, hes been indestructible and 35 isnt that old. I would also be very surprised if Kelleher surpasses Fitzgerald in the next 4 years, I think Fitz will be the anchor and dominant force of the Leinster backline (outside Sexton) during that time


  • #19
    The Lost Sheep
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    I think Heaslip will still be there, hes been indestructible and 35 isnt that old. I would also be very surprised if Kelleher surpasses Fitzgerald in the next 4 years, I see Fitz as being the anchor and dominant force of the Leinster backline (outside Sexton) during that time
    Im not sure on Heaslip and I agree on his lack of injuries etc thus far. I threw Kelleher in as had to have 3/4 guys who are bit off this level yet and said why not....


  • #20
    Witheringeye
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    1mcgrath
    2strauss
    3furlong
    4toner
    5henderson
    6pom
    7sob
    8heaslip
    9murray
    10sexton
    11fitz
    12Peter Robb
    13henshaw
    14earls
    15 Dkearney
    16healy
    17scannell
    18moore
    19dave foley
    20jordi Murphy
    21luke McGrath
    22pjackson
    23zebo

    Peter Robb is obviously a total wildcard as there's a big chance he may never kick on....but he has physical attributes the likes of which Ireland have never seen in a back. Surprisingly quite pacy for his size as well


  • #21
    total former
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    This was done before the last world cup.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056389107

    I know hindsight is great and all that, but I had to laugh at the guy who picked Sykes and Nagle for our 2015 second row.


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  • #22
    irishbucsfan
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    total former wrote: »
    I know hindsight is great and all that, but I had to laugh at the guy who picked Sykes and Nagle for our 2015 second row.

    And Jamie Hagan at TH and Fionn Carr on the wing, a truly awful prediction (from me, in case anyone thinks I'm being ridiculously harsh on someone else!).

    I honestly don't think I would have believed anyone if they'd told me POC would still be starting for this team, let alone captain. His longevity is impressive but also surprising given at one point there were people on this forum certain that he wasn't going to make it back from that period of sustained injury, what a legend.

    My 2019 team will be 100% correct and it will be:

    McGrath (29)
    Strauss (33)
    Furlong (26)
    Toner (33)
    Henderson (27)
    O'Mahoney (30) - Capt
    O'Donoghue (25)

    Murray (30)
    Sexton (34)
    D Kearney (30)
    Henshaw (26)
    Ringrose (24)
    Earls (32)
    R Kearney (33)

    B Byrne (26)
    D Buckley (29)
    M Moore (28)
    James Ryan (23)
    CJ Stander (29)
    L McGrath (26)
    P Jackson (27)
    F Jones (32)

    This time I've erred on the side of longevity, and thrown in a few less curveballs...


  • #23
    Buer
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    Irish rugby moves at a glacial pace. If they're in the 23 now and of a realistic age profile, they're by far the most likely to be involved in 2019 still, I would think. Look at how little change there has been between 2011 and now despite a different coach coming in. Essentially we're looking at 2 changes in our pack in 4 years, both players (Toner and POM) who got their opportunities due to injuries to others.

    Toner is probably our most likely starter of any lock but some people don't have in the 23.

    Strauss and Cronin are both of a good age profile. Our back row might be the same but on the balance of probabilities, I'd expect injuries to end the career of someone there before 2019, most likely SOB or Heaslip walking away.

    Murray is nailed down almost at this point. Nobody near him and nothing to suggest any of the young talent is going to get there either in the next 4 seasons.

    Backs are harder to predict as they mature younger and we could genuinely see a few guys come through into the national starting side that are in an academy spot at the moment like Scholes but the likes of Zebo and Dave Kearney are in a strong position with age on their side.

    I can see our starting players being made up of about 10-12 guys who are in the 23 for the Italy/France games.


  • #24
    .ak
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    These threads are always a bit of fun, especially when you look back at after 4 years. One thing I notice from the last thread that everyone just seemed to pick the names that seemed to be making a splash at u20 level. I think it just goes to prove how hard the journey is to the top level, despite having that natural pedigree.

    For me, this is how I see the team, which I reckon will be largely conservative.

    Payne (33)
    Earls (31)
    Henshaw (26)
    McCloskey (27)
    Fitzgerald (31)
    Sexton (34)
    Murray (30)
    Heaslip (35)
    SOB (32)
    Ruddock (28)
    Toner (33)
    Henderson (27)
    Moore (27)
    Strauss (33)
    Healy (32)

    Subs:
    Cronin
    McGrath
    Furlong
    Foley
    Murphy
    Marmion
    Jackson
    Zebo


  • #25
    molloyjh
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    And Jamie Hagan at TH and Fionn Carr on the wing, a truly awful prediction (from me, in case anyone thinks I'm being ridiculously harsh on someone else!).

    I honestly don't think I would have believed anyone if they'd told me POC would still be starting for this team, let alone captain. His longevity is impressive but also surprising given at one point there were people on this forum certain that he wasn't going to make it back from that period of sustained injury, what a legend.

    My 2019 team will be 100% correct and it will be:

    McGrath (29)
    Strauss (33)
    Furlong (26)
    Toner (33)
    Henderson (27)
    O'Mahoney (30) - Capt
    O'Donoghue (25)

    Murray (30)
    Sexton (34)
    D Kearney (30)
    Henshaw (26)
    Ringrose (24)
    Earls (32)
    R Kearney (33)

    B Byrne (26)
    D Buckley (29)
    M Moore (28)
    James Ryan (23)
    CJ Stander (29)
    L McGrath (26)
    P Jackson (27)
    F Jones (32)

    This time I've erred on the side of longevity, and thrown in a few less curveballs...

    Could do with an extra back row there I think. ;)

    This kind of thing is near enough impossible to predict, but what the hey...

    McGrath Cronin Moore
    Henderson Toner
    POM Heaslip SOB

    Murray Sexton
    Arnold Henshaw
    Zebo Kearney Fitzgerald

    Casey, Cronin, Furlong, Foley, Murphy, Marmion, Jackson, Madigan


  • #26
    Tox56
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    And Jamie Hagan at TH and Fionn Carr on the wing, a truly awful prediction (from me, in case anyone thinks I'm being ridiculously harsh on someone else!).

    I honestly don't think I would have believed anyone if they'd told me POC would still be starting for this team, let alone captain. His longevity is impressive but also surprising given at one point there were people on this forum certain that he wasn't going to make it back from that period of sustained injury, what a legend.

    My 2019 team will be 100% correct and it will be:

    McGrath (29)
    Strauss (33)
    Furlong (26)
    Toner (33)
    Henderson (27)
    O'Mahoney (30) - Capt
    O'Donoghue (25)

    Murray (30)
    Sexton (34)
    D Kearney (30)
    Henshaw (26)
    Ringrose (24)
    Earls (32)
    R Kearney (33)

    B Byrne (26)
    D Buckley (29)
    M Moore (28)
    James Ryan (23)
    CJ Stander (29)
    L McGrath (26)
    P Jackson (27)
    F Jones (32)

    This time I've erred on the side of longevity, and thrown in a few less curveballs...

    I see you are the only one in this thread accounting for the fact the openside position will cease to exist in 4 years


  • #27
    bilston
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    .ak wrote: »
    These threads are always a bit of fun, especially when you look back at after 4 years. One thing I notice from the last thread that everyone just seemed to pick the names that seemed to be making a splash at u20 level. I think it just goes to prove how hard the journey is to the top level, despite having that natural pedigree.

    For me, this is how I see the team, which I reckon will be largely conservative.

    Payne (33)
    Earls (31)
    Henshaw (26)
    McCloskey (27)
    Fitzgerald (31)
    Sexton (34)
    Murray (30)
    Heaslip (35)
    SOB (32)
    Ruddock (28)
    Toner (33)
    Henderson (27)
    Moore (27)
    Strauss (33)
    Healy (32)

    Subs:
    Cronin
    McGrath
    Furlong
    Foley
    Murphy
    Marmion
    Jackson
    Zebo

    I think that is a fairly realistic team. There will be a bolter or two though. That's why I went for Arnold, others will go for Ringrose, but Henshaw shows you will get the odd new guy that blasts through the system.

    But it does take time, unless they are really special or if there is a specific need for a player it usually takes 4-5 years for a player to move from the U20s into a regular starting XV spot.


  • #28
    .ak
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    bilston wrote: »
    I think that is a fairly realistic team. There will be a bolter or two though. That's why I went for Arnold, others will go for Ringrose, but Henshaw shows you will get the odd new guy that blasts through the system.

    But it does take time, unless they are really special or if there is a specific need for a player it usually takes 4-5 years for a player to move from the U20s into a regular starting XV spot.

    McCloskey for me is the up and coming guy that'll make it. I think he's already been eyed up by the management, but for me he's the best all rounder out of the up and coming centres and already has a natural ability to distribute and fix defenders, plus he's already made for international rugby.

    I think Arnold will be stuck behind him at Ulster too.


  • #29
    Awesomeness
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    Looking at the old thread I got a horrible feeling seeing Nevin Spences name there so much. RIP


  • #30
    Squidgy Black
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    The amount of people who had Luke McGrath starting or on the bench from the old thread is interesting. And if Murray was starting it was McGrath or Marmion on the bench.


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  • #31
    Buer
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    _Tyrrell_ wrote: »
    The amount of people who had Luke McGrath starting or on the bench from the old thread is interesting. And if Murray was starting it was McGrath or Marmion on the bench.

    The odd person wanted Paul Marshall in the set up too. It goes to show just how much people base on very much flavour of the month opinions. Neither McGrath nor Marshall had shown anything to suggest they were capable of playing decent level test rugby.

    Significant number of people had Fionn Carr in their team which I found a tad bizarre given we had real options at wing in the shape of Bowe, Fitz, Earls, Trimble etc.

    The selections this time are a little more reined in at least!


  • #32
    jacothelad
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    I'm surprised Olding isn't among the 'new' names.


  • #33
    .ak
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    I'm surprised Olding isn't among the 'new' names.

    Would love to include him but his injury record is just horrific. I don't know why, but I struggle to see him in an Irish jersey if he keeps getting busted up like that. If he fulfils his potential he could defo make the 23.


  • #34
    .ak
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    _Tyrrell_ wrote: »
    The amount of people who had Luke McGrath starting or on the bench from the old thread is interesting. And if Murray was starting it was McGrath or Marmion on the bench.

    In fairness even 12 months ago I think people would've been surprised to see Reddan and Boss go to this RWC. The younger guys just haven't been able to step up unfortunately.


  • #35
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    .ak wrote: »
    In fairness even 12 months ago I think people would've been surprised to see Reddan and Boss go to this RWC. The younger guys just haven't been able to step up unfortunately.

    stop with Boss FFS. Am I the only one on this forum to prefer Murray/Reddan/Marmion:rolleyes:


  • #36
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    am-i-out-of-touch-no-its-the-children-who-are-wrong.jpg?w=405&h=433


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    .ak
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    connachta wrote: »
    stop with Boss FFS. Am I the only one on this forum to prefer Murray/Reddan/Marmion:rolleyes:

    Hahah, I'm just stating the situation, I never said what I'd prefer to see!


  • #38
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    jacothelad wrote: »
    I'm surprised Olding isn't among the 'new' names.

    You have to hope he is still playing in 4 years. Hopefully he will be. I have him down as FB because I've been impressed by him there and with McCloskey and Arnold coming through and the lack of a homegrown FB at Ulster I could see him moving there...or...I could even see him moving to out half...I'm not certain how much room there is for guys like him in the centre at test level anymore.


  • #39
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Buer wrote: »
    am-i-out-of-touch-no-its-the-children-who-are-wrong.jpg?w=405&h=433



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  • #40
    bilston
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    connachta wrote: »
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    The problem Connachta is that I see Paul Marshall score tries like or at least make breaks like that all the time. It doesn't an international scrum half make.

    Not that I'm saying Marmion isn't up to it either, he has potential, and should get a go sooner or later, but whether he can make it will be down to his game management, his passing and his box kicking. An ability to break is a bit more than a bonus but it's probably not first on the list of things to look for in an international scrum half.


  • #41
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    bilston wrote: »
    The problem Connachta is that I see Paul Marshall score tries like or at least make breaks like that all the time. It doesn't an international scrum half make.

    Not that I'm saying Marmion isn't up to it either, he has potential, and should get a go sooner or later, but whether he can make it will be down to his game management, his passing and his box kicking. An ability to break is a bit more than a bonus but it's probably not first on the list of things to look for in an international scrum half.

    Of course, that was just a "gif answer".
    But he's international material when you see he was able to kick and find a great angle against Wales with the first ball he touched. Even young, he didn't felt the pressure of the 80 000 stadium. He also prooved once again how engaged he is, when he has to tackle

    Schmidt saw him playing on the last 2 years, IMO he has passed succesfully the tests about tackling, kicking, scrum management, velocity for coming to the rucks, line breaking, mental strenght, feeling/flair about the phases. Yes his passing game could be a little floating but that's all ..


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  • #42
    irishbucsfan
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    Marmion still hasn't been selected ahead of anyone in a game that counts despite plenty of time in camp. Clearly there's been something missing from his game as far as the Irish management are concerned. It's such a vital position and one where Schmidt has always made the right call, I hope he's brought as the 3rd option but if he isn't it's because he is not yet good enough.


  • #43
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Marmion still hasn't been selected ahead of anyone in a game that counts despite plenty of time in camp. Clearly there's been something missing from his game as far as the Irish management are concerned. It's such a vital position and one where Schmidt has always made the right call, I hope he's brought as the 3rd option but if he isn't it's because he is not yet good enough.

    Yeah i've understood the "in Schmidt we trust" answer, and I agree. But what's bothering me is everyone seems to think it will be Boss in the end, without any backing of their stance except the limited and IMO irrelevant comparison of March-May 2015.

    But I won't keep going about that, it's off-topic here:)


  • #44
    bradders90
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭bradders90


    Ian Nagle appeared to be the effing **** in 2011, what happend?

    My attempt:
    15. Rob Kearney (33) - Very little competition, hopefully Leader or O'halloran kick on and push Kearns.
    14. Craig Glroy - Will be in his prime at the age of 27.
    13. Sam Arnold (22)/ Gary Ringrose (23) - A lot similar to the 2011 thread: picking out the talented u20s, very much a punt/guess.
    12. Robbie Henshaw (26) - Will surely be worldclass in 4 years?
    11. Luke Fitzgerald (31) - Provided he stays injury free
    10. Paddy Jackson (27) - has to sort out his kicking though.
    9. Conor Murray (30) - No real contender.

    1. Cian Healy (31) - Real prime propping age. Wrecking ball, integral to Ireland.
    2. Sean Cronin (33) - Cronin one of the best hookers in the loose. Experience awlays good in the front row.
    3. Marty Moore (27) - will be a class tighthead, great follow on from Ross.
    4. Ian Henderson (27) - POC's successor
    5. Dave Foley (31) - Tough to call not many to choose from, maybe im being slow. Feel free to correct/suggest others.
    6. Peter O'Mahony (29) - obvious choice.
    7. Rhys Ruddock (27) - My personal opinion is that he is very good rn, unlucky with injury because he did so well against SA.
    8. Jamie Heaslip (35) - Neanderthalian.

    16. duncan casey
    17. Bryan Byrne
    18. ed byrne
    19. mick kearney
    20. jordi murphy
    21. probably luke mcgrath
    22. ian madigan
    23. simon zebo


  • #45
    Buer
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    bradders90 wrote: »
    Ian Nagle appeared to be the effing **** in 2011, what happend?

    You've said it yourself. He "appeared" to be. When that thread started, he had 9 starts to his name with Munster. It's gas how much we hype a young player who shows any promise.


  • #46
    Hagz
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    It was the same season he won MOM against Australia.


  • #47
    Podge_irl
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    Buer wrote: »
    You've said it yourself. He "appeared" to be. When that thread started, he had 9 starts to his name with Munster. It's gas how much we hype a young player who shows any promise.

    It's the danger with these things. He looked absolutely supreme against Australia and then nothing. It's the reason coaches put less faith in a few great performances than we do!


  • #48
    Muligatawney
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Muligatawney


    We really have to look at where players will be with their provinces in 4 years so:
    15. Rob Kearney (33) Although whoever ends up playing full back at Ulster between Gilroy, Olding and Nelson could have a real chance
    14. Craig Gilroy (28)
    13. Garry Ringrose (23) Again could be Olding with Robbie shifting out one but there's so much talent in the Ulster centres that it's hard to call who will shine through
    12. Robbie Henshaw (26)
    11. Simon Zebo (29) Not sure if Fitz will be able to keep it together for another 4 years
    10. Jonny Sexton (34)
    9. Conor Murray (30)
    8. Lorcan Dow (24) A bit of a bolter but I think Stander and O'Donoghue might block each other out at Munster and while Heaslip could play until 2023 probably (!) I don't think he'll want to
    7. Seán O'Brien (32) If he stays in one piece. We might end up with O'Mahony filling the gap here if not
    6. Peter O'Mahony (30) Would have a good shot at the captaincy as well. Would be a tough call between Ruddock or Henderson if he had to move to openside
    5. Iain Henderson (27)
    4. Devin Toner (33)
    3. Martin Moore (28) Having Furlong with him at Leinster not as much of a barrier in the front row as we've seen with the current Leinster team
    2. Duncan Casey (28) There's bolter potential here as well for me because I think neither Strauss or Cronin have the top level class to keep going into their mid 30s. Bryan Byrne could make it if he gets past them at Leinster
    1. Cian Healy (32) Hopefully he can keep fit anyway

    16. Seán Cronin (33)
    17. Dave Kilcoyne (30)
    18. Tadhg Furlong (26)
    19. Seán O'Brien (24) Again potential for someone to come through. Ross Molony could have a chance as well
    20. Rhys Ruddock (28)
    21. Kieran Marmion (27)
    22. Paddy Jackson (27)
    23. Cian Kelleher (25) Impossible to call really but he could be a great talent for Leinster on the wing or at full back


  • #49
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    bradders90 wrote: »
    Ian Nagle appeared to be the effing **** in 2011, what happend?

    My attempt:
    15. Rob Kearney (33) - Very little competition, hopefully Leader or O'halloran kick on and push Kearns.
    14. Craig Glroy - Will be in his prime at the age of 27.
    13. Sam Arnold (22)/ Gary Ringrose (23) - A lot similar to the 2011 thread: picking out the talented u20s, very much a punt/guess.
    12. Robbie Henshaw (26) - Will surely be worldclass in 4 years?
    11. Luke Fitzgerald (31) - Provided he stays injury free
    10. Paddy Jackson (27) - has to sort out his kicking though.
    9. Conor Murray (30) - No real contender.

    1. Cian Healy (31) - Real prime propping age. Wrecking ball, integral to Ireland.
    2. Sean Cronin (33) - Cronin one of the best hookers in the loose. Experience awlays good in the front row.
    3. Marty Moore (27) - will be a class tighthead, great follow on from Ross.
    4. Ian Henderson (27) - POC's successor
    5. Dave Foley (31) - Tough to call not many to choose from, maybe im being slow. Feel free to correct/suggest others.
    6. Peter O'Mahony (29) - obvious choice.
    7. Rhys Ruddock (27) - My personal opinion is that he is very good rn, unlucky with injury because he did so well against SA.
    8. Jamie Heaslip (35) - Neanderthalian.

    16. Marty Moore
    17. Bryan Byrne
    18. ed byrne
    19. mick kearney
    20. jordi murphy
    21. probably luke mcgrath
    22. ian madigan
    23. dave kearney

    Marty Moore on the pitch and the bench?! Four years is a very short time to perfect cloning.


  • #50
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Does anyone have any info on Mike Brewer's kid? A few years ago I was hearing great things about him as a schoolboy but nothing recently. How old is he and is he still playing?


  • #51
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Does anyone have any info on Mike Brewer's kid? A few years ago I was hearing great things about him as a schoolboy but nothing recently. How old is he and is he still playing?

    He's in his 2nd year in the Leinster Academy. He's 20 years old.

    He entered the academy at the beginning of this season past, having played for Ireland u20s in the JWC. This season he didn't make the cut for the u20s with Arnold, Ringrose and Cleary being preferred; he was also injured at the beginning of the season. He plays for Terenure in the AIL.


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