Poor driving on the M7 M9 upgrade

trellheim · 16-01-2018 2:13pm #1

Speed limits 60 kph you try and do that you get beeped out of it .

Garda twitter shows them pulling people ffs . I looked at a map and its 5 minutes of peoples time to drive at the limit

Am I crazy does it really need permanent policing presence

Jamie2k9 · 16-01-2018 2:37pm

Should of went for 80.

TooObvious · 16-01-2018 2:47pm

That's the arrogance of some people unfortunately, it usually takes something very serious to happen to change their mindset. If they continue to drive like that on said stretch of road they will end up killing someone, lots of people working on that road so it's very dangerous for them with speeding cars inches away.

The speed limit @ 60kmph is appropriate, 80kmph too fast.

audiavantawx · 16-01-2018 2:59pm

Do the 60
I was the other day and getting overtaking by coaches and all
Its your licence,it costs enough to keep a car on the road

its a dangerous road at the best of times and bad drivers

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-01-2018 3:00pm

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Chris_5339762 · 16-01-2018 8:51pm

I did 60kmh the other day both ways, once at 7am and the next at 12 midnight.

It was terrifying. Cars not seeing me pottering at 60kmh and jamming on the brakes at the last minutes. Trucks up my bumper.

Average speed cameras are badly needed.

McCrack · 16-01-2018 9:59pm

I set cruise to 80/85

No issues whatsoever

CeilingFly · 16-01-2018 10:03pm

Garda twitter certainly does show people being stopped - but at 140kmh, 146kmh and 130kmh but that was on N7 before the works area.

A "reasonable" speed for conditions and works at the time you are driving is unlikely to have you stopped.

80-90kmh imo is reasonable

I think an 80kmh monitored by average speed cameras would have been a better restriction.

iwillhtfu · 16-01-2018 10:08pm

I've no issues with those doing 60 it's the ones that religiously do 10-20 under the posted speed limit that drive me nuts particularly on that stretch. you can almost hear them saying it's not a target.

If anything in the evenings it seems to be making the traffic flow smooth out as it goes from N7 to M7

Muahahaha · 16-01-2018 10:15pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

A "reasonable" speed for conditions and works at the time you are driving is unlikely to have you stopped.

80-90kmh imo is reasonable

I think an 80kmh monitored by average speed cameras would have been a better restriction.

If you hit a road worker at 60kph he has at least some chance of not being killed.

If you hit him at the 80-90kph that you call "reasonable" then you will most certainly kill him.

Stop being so selfish.

CeilingFly · 16-01-2018 10:18pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

If you hit a road worker at 60kph he has at least some chance of not being killed.

If you hit him at the 80-90kph that you call "reasonable" then you will most certainly kill him.

Stop being so selfish.

Have you seen the crash Barriers?

Stop being such a sensationalist hysterical jobsworth

16-01-2018 10:19pm

Did they not notice the average speed signs? They’ll get a shock in a few weeks when the f8nes and points notifications come through the door.

iwillhtfu · 16-01-2018 10:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Did they not notice the average speed signs? They’ll get a shock in a few weeks when the f8nes and points notifications come through the door.

They wont there are no average speed cameras up there. They should be but none yet

CeilingFly · 16-01-2018 10:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Did they not notice the average speed signs? They’ll get a shock in a few weeks when the f8nes and points notifications come through the door.

Thry must have gone up in the last two hours, cos there were no av speed signs at 6pm when I was dropping something to cirywest and none on the way back at 7pm either.

Keep to a reasonable and safe speed for the conditions at the time you are driving and you'll be fine.

Chris_5339762 · 16-01-2018 11:00pm

Yeah sure, until you're at the head of the queue doing say 75kmh and you hit a speed trap. Then no "safe speed for conditions" defence will work. You'll be getting the points and the wrist slap.

_Kaiser_ · 16-01-2018 11:30pm

Trying to do 60 on this stretch (off-peak anyway) is more dangerous IMO - you are constantly watching traffic behind you up your ass and flying past you at dangerous speeds (given that the road surface is shyte between J9 and J10 outbound)

I was doing around 65-75 tonight SLOWLY overtaking some trucks and I still had a bell-end in a Range Rover flashing and putting on his indicator trying to get me to move :rolleyes:

trellheim · 17-01-2018 12:51am

I still had a bell-end in a Range Rover flashing and putting on his indicator trying to get me to move

exactly my point, extreme muppetry.

Muahahaha · 17-01-2018 1:18am

CeilingFly wrote: »

Have you seen the crash Barriers?

Stop being such a sensationalist hysterical jobsworth

You have no credibility when you come on here freely admitting that you break the law.

Thats section of the motorway is a building site with roadworkers on it for the next 2 years. There has been stacks of roadworkers killed in the UK, it is one of the most dangerous jobs out there. So slow down and show at least a modicum of respect for the lads out there working and putting their lives at risk because speeding drivers like you think their time is more important. The last thing we need is some lad trying to make a crust losing his life because drivers like you dont have a few minutes worth of patience.

Victor · 17-01-2018 2:02am

Implementing variable speed limits on the N7 would make sense. That way, there could be a graduated decrease to the 60 km/h at the road works. It would also deal with the stop-start that happens along the N7 - reduced to about 20 km/h a few weeks ago because of people racing up behind other drivers and then braking harshly.

beer enigma · 17-01-2018 11:29am

I'm staggered that people would even think of breaking the 60kph limit. I drive that section every day and its dangerous at the best of times, let alone with workers and plant machinery moving around to provide distractions. Throw weather, added mud and barrier layout into the equation and it can be really challenging even to an experienced driver.

Lets face it, its a 13.5Km section which would take you just under 14 minutes at 60Kph or just over 10 minutes at 80Kph. Is saving 4 minutes really worth the risk

iwillhtfu · 17-01-2018 1:55pm

beer enigma wrote: »

I'm staggered that people would even think of breaking the 60kph limit. I drive that section every day and its dangerous at the best of times, let alone with workers and plant machinery moving around to provide distractions. Throw weather, added mud and barrier layout into the equation and it can be really challenging even to an experienced driver.

Lets face it, its a 13.5Km section which would take you just under 14 minutes at 60Kph or just over 10 minutes at 80Kph. Is saving 4 minutes really worth the risk

Honestly if you find that section difficult or challenging in anyway you really shouldn't be on the road.

I was only commenting the other day that they have the lanes set out very well and allows for seamless transfer from typical lanes to hard shoulder.

I'd agree with you on the speeding and to be honest without average speed cameras it's near impossible to enforce and everyone speeding knows this. The first car will always be the one to get caught then the ripple effect of people jamming on will begin and this is where the dangers will occur. Lads on their phones etc swerving to avoid the car in front.

Mink · 17-01-2018 2:50pm

I've only been driving this stretch of roadworks at rush hour eastbound.
I'm driving 15 years and no way would I feel safe doing 80.

Ok, maybe when not rush hour, it would feel grand doing 80, but just NOT worth saving a couple minutes when risking lives, breaking law.

CeilingFly · 17-01-2018 4:50pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

You have no credibility when you come on here freely admitting that you break the law.

Thats section of the motorway is a building site with roadworkers on it for the next 2 years. There has been stacks of roadworkers killed in the UK, it is one of the most dangerous jobs out there. So slow down and show at least a modicum of respect for the lads out there working and putting their lives at risk because speeding drivers like you think their time is more important. The last thing we need is some lad trying to make a crust losing his life because drivers like you dont have a few minutes worth of patience.

Its a pity you have the inability to read and understand posts.

I clearly said a speed that is suitable for the conditions at the time you are driving. CURRENTLY with no works and no workmen, 80 kmh is boith safe and reasonable and is effectively keeping up with traffic.

If there are works ging on a a gang of guys working, a slower speed would be suitable.

But we are talking using very basic COMMON SENSE which is what the gardai use too, and keeping to a resonable speed to take account of the conditions you have at the time of driving.

Maybe you don't believe in basic common sense and prefer a hitleresque attitude?

CeilingFly · 17-01-2018 4:58pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

There has been stacks of roadworkers killed in the UK, it is one of the most dangerous jobs out there. .

Pure SENSATIONALISAT HYSTERICAL rubbish,

OFFICIAL Figures

From January 1st 2011 to 30th June 2017 - that's 5 1/2 years, the total of servcie workers killed in the UK during works was 4.

Now, one is too many, but that figure includes fatalities of all types and just ne of those four was a fatality caused by a vehicle unconnected with the works.

Now considering the thousands of works undertaken in the UK, that's a fairly good record.

How "One" becomes "Stacks" I simply don't knwo.

Less of the hysterical BS is you want to win an argument.

Tzardine · 17-01-2018 5:20pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Pure SENSATIONALISAT HYSTERICAL rubbish,

OFFICIAL Figures

From January 1st 2011 to 30th June 2017 - that's 5 1/2 years, the total of servcie workers killed in the UK during works was 4.

Now, one is too many, but that figure includes fatalities of all types and just ne of those four was a fatality caused by a vehicle unconnected with the works.

Now considering the thousands of works undertaken in the UK, that's a fairly good record.

How "One" becomes "Stacks" I simply don't knwo.

Less of the hysterical BS is you want to win an argument.

Your figures dont tell quite the full story. The fatalities are down a lot since 2011 yes but so too is the capital spending on road projects. During the times when construction was more prevalent, so too were the fatalities. In 2010 for example there were 6 deaths alone. (Why did you pick 2011 to start your comparison)

The Road Worker Safety Forum (RoWSaF) in the UK claims that the average fatality rate for those working on the roads in the UK is one of the highest among all employment sectors. So the other poster may be correct in saying it is one of the most dangerous jobs out there.

And although the fatalities are down, the occurrence of serious injuries are as high as ever. (arguably much higher when change in reporting methodology is considered).

I drive this stretch of road at least twice a day, usually 7 days a week, and people are driving like complete asshats. Somebody is going to be seriously hurt in the next 2 years if it is not addressed.

I imagine that the average speed cameras will be back. They were used on the same stretch fairly recently.

Dr_Bill · 17-01-2018 6:10pm

All I can say to the road works speeders who have blatant disregard for the workers trying to make a living, is if you are prepared to flout the law then be prepared to serve 10 years and in jail and or cough up € 20,000 not to mention the civil case that will be taken against you by the injured parties relatives who will come after you for killing or seriously injuring their loved one.

If someone baseball batted a person around an office they would be arrested and charged. For the workers and staff working out on that project the motorway is their office, if the travelling public want to speed thru in their vehicle (the baseball bat) and take the risk of potentially killing someone or at best leaving them with life changing injuries then you will be arrested and charged.

Road Traffic Act 1961 (Revised) Dangerous driving.

53. — (1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place in a manner (including speed) which having regard to all the circumstances of the case (including the condition of the vehicle, the nature, condition and use of the place and the amount of traffic which then actually is or might reasonably be expected then to be in it) is or is likely to be dangerous to the public.

(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence and —

( a ) in case the contravention causes death or serious bodily harm to another person, he or she is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to a fine not exceeding € 20,000 or to both, and

( b ) in any other case, he or she is liable on summary conviction to a class A fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

Why can folks not just slow down rather than be a total <insert suitable expletive here> about trying to save 1 maybe 2 minutes off your journey time? Is two minutes of your time really worth losing your freedom, your job, maybe your house and family over?

Isambard · 19-01-2018 12:01pm

lets face it , in this Country if you posted a 80 limit people would be on here saying they set their CC to 100..... setting the limit at 60 at least ensures most people won't be topping 80 or so! An Irish peculiarity.

Hugh Jampton · 19-01-2018 1:30pm

Isambard wrote: »

lets face it , in this Country if you posted a 80 limit people would be on here saying they set their CC to 100..... setting the limit at 60 at least ensures most people won't be topping 80 or so! An Irish peculiarity.

If they ever implemented UK-style Smart Motorways in Ireland there would be uproar. It isn't enjoyable driving through average speed limited roads but I have respect for the workers involved and know it is necessary for safety. God knows there are enough idiots on the roads here as it is.

Grandeeod · 19-01-2018 9:53pm

Its set at 60kph. There's no hard shoulder. The operating lanes are narrower. It carries a lot of traffic all day, everyday. There will soon be a serious amount of work going on behind the barriers. There is specific work going on behind those barriers right now.

WTF is anyones problem with 60kph? Seriously!:rolleyes:

magentis · 19-01-2018 11:51pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Its set at 60kph. There's no hard shoulder. The operating lanes are narrower. It carries a lot of traffic all day, everyday. There will soon be a serious amount of work going on behind the barriers. There is specific work going on behind those barriers right now.

WTF is anyones problem with 60kph? Seriously!:rolleyes:

Passed through it this morning and set cc at 60.Had guys driving up my rear and fuel tankers passing me like I was stopped.Do people realise that there is only a difference of seconds involved here!Only a matter of time before a sneaky speed check is done here because of the loopers driving at 100/120 through it.

20-01-2018 12:09am

magentis wrote: »

Passed through it this morning and set cc at 60.Had guys driving up my rear and fuel tankers passing me like I was stopped.Do people realise that there is only a difference of seconds involved here!Only a matter of time before a sneaky speed check is done here because of the loopers driving at 100/120 through it.

My dear departed dad, when teaching me to drive, told me to always stay on the correct side of the road and within the speed limit “and let other fecking eegits do as they wished “

jackofalltrades · 20-01-2018 3:45am

Drove it today at 60 km/h. Was quite easy driving on CC given everyone was overtaking.
No problem doing that speed given the state of the road surface and the possibility of workers being around.

Muahahaha · 20-01-2018 6:38am

CeilingFly wrote: »

Its a pity you have the inability to read and understand posts.

Yes indeed I do have the ability to read.

Unlike you doing your 90kph in a 60kph zone which you call "reasonable". Did you not read the signs? You saw them alright but you chose to ignore them.

Sorry but there is nothing reasonable about the speeding you have already admitted to doing on here.

You are very arrogant to be deciding how fast you shall drive when there are roadworkers working just a few metres away from your speeding car.

Perhaps you might slow down so you can actually see them ??? Perhaps you might cop on and just leave your house 4 minutes earlier instead of putting peoples lives at risk by doing 90kph in a 60kph zone?

Would it really hurt you to just slow down?

trellheim · 20-01-2018 3:29pm

What I don't get is why go over the limit here ; is it that ingrained into people that massive amounts of big red and white circles with the number 60 inside doesn't register

Yes it used to be 120 but theres people working possibly at any hour of the day and theres no hard shoulder

It takes 5 minutes extra to drive at 60 vs 120 on the limited stretch ( and no more, if all is flowing OK ).

Flying past at 120 ( or usually worse ) causes massive issues as the reduced lane width makes it a very near miss , especially if someone in the inner lane is doing 45-50 and you want an overtake

McCrack · 20-01-2018 6:39pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yes indeed I do have the ability to read.

Unlike you doing your 90kph in a 60kph zone which you call "reasonable". Did you not read the signs? You saw them alright but you chose to ignore them.

Sorry but there is nothing reasonable about the speeding you have already admitted to doing on here.

You are very arrogant to be deciding how fast you shall drive when there are roadworkers working just a few metres away from your speeding car.

Perhaps you might slow down so you can actually see them ??? Perhaps you might cop on and just leave your house 4 minutes earlier instead of putting peoples lives at risk by doing 90kph in a 60kph zone?

Would it really hurt you to just slow down?

You see your argument is all predicated on the assumption/ acceptance that 60 kmh is the correct limit because thats what the big signs say

In my view having driven the section is its not and its too low.

It should be 80 in my view and I stick cc to 80 and it works well

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-01-2018 6:45pm

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McCrack · 20-01-2018 7:13pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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I dont "want to speed"

I want to drive at a speed thats reasonable for the conditions

60 kmh limit on that section of the motorway is too low in my view

It should be 80 kmh and that in fact is what I set my cruise control to

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-01-2018 7:19pm

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Muahahaha · 20-01-2018 7:24pm

McCrack wrote: »

I dont "want to speed"

I want to drive at a speed thats reasonable for the conditions

60 kmh limit on that section of the motorway is too low in my view

It should be 80 kmh and that in fact is what I set my cruise control to

You may not "want" to speed but you are speeding, what difference does this make? If you were facing a judge and told him you didnt "want" to speed but XYZ forced you to speed you would be laughed out of court. Only you are responsible for your own actions.

Obviously some engineer with a degree of knowledge of road safety and risk assessment has said that it needs to be 60kph for the duration of the works and they have good reasons for doing so. It is his call to decide what is reasonable, not individual drivers who have no expertise in this area.

McCrack · 20-01-2018 7:37pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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No the law is right on theft

Thow shall not steal

Equating theft to the topic at hand demonstrates you really dont have any argument

McCrack · 20-01-2018 7:40pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

You may not "want" to speed but you are speeding, what difference does this make? If you were facing a judge and told him you didnt "want" to speed but XYZ forced you to speed you would be laughed out of court. Only you are responsible for your own actions.

Obviously some engineer with a degree of knowledge of road safety and risk assessment has said that it needs to be 60kph for the duration of the works and they have good reasons for doing so. It is his call to decide what is reasonable, not individual drivers who have no expertise in this area.

You would think there was some kind of expert risk assessment carried out

In fact im sure there was

Doesn't make the decision to limit speed to 60 kmh right

I mean there are plenty of boreens around me with a 80 kmh posted limit and you can barely get two cars passed

No I drive to the conditions, not what some sign tells me

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-01-2018 7:41pm

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Wishbone Ash · 20-01-2018 7:46pm

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I've no issues with those doing 60 it's the ones that religiously do 10-20 under the posted speed limit that drive me nuts...

Regardless of the posted speed limit, some vehicles are restricted to 65km/h. If the posted speed limit is 120km/h, they would be legally obliged to do 55km/h less than the posted limit so I don't understand your argument.

You suggested that another poster shouldn't be on the road if they find that section challenging. The same could be said of you if you find motorists doing 10-20km/h challenging.

trellheim · 20-01-2018 7:56pm

You would think there was some kind of expert risk assessment carried out

In fact im sure there was

Doesn't make the decision to limit speed to 60 kmh right

Your qualifications for carrying out your own independent risk assessment we can all take a look at ?

Just because you don't think its right, its not just you on the road; its workers and other vehicles as well and neither is it a fixed set of roadworks - it will move several times during the course of the next two years and do so overnight without warning - thats part of the reason for 60 kph.

McCrack · 20-01-2018 8:09pm

Well clearly I havent carried out my own "risk assessment" but ill tell you this - I tried sticking cruise control to 60 kmh and it was ridiculously slow for the conditions

Therefore I will use my judgement and common sense and drive at a speed suitable to the conditions and thats 80 kmh in my view

trellheim · 20-01-2018 8:13pm

Therefore I will use my judgement and common sense and drive at a speed suitable to the conditions and thats 80 kmh in my view

If the next poster on this forum suggested that in their view 110 kph was appropriate, would you agree or be violently in disagreement ; what would be your grounds for your judgment being better than theirs ?

Wishbone Ash · 20-01-2018 8:16pm

McCrack wrote: »

..I will use my judgement and common sense and drive at a speed suitable to the conditions and thats 80 kmh in my view

That doesn't really work with road traffic regulations though.

Sure I'll drive to the pub tonight and have 5 or 6 pints and use my own judgement regarding driving home.

Mint Sauce · 20-01-2018 8:19pm

Do they still have the average speed cameras there from last year that nearly everybody seemed to ignore. Prehaps put them back, maybe every 500-1000 meters, and activate them.

A few points and fines, and people will learn. Drove through motorway road works in the UK a couple of years ago, average speed cameras for miles, not one went over the signposted 50mph.

liamog · 20-01-2018 8:30pm

Serious question, the speed limit is 50mph (80km/h) or 60mph (100km/h) during UK roadworks.
Our limit is 60km/h.

If the limit is based on science, what's with the 20km/h difference? They're even talking about upping it to 55mph (90km/h) as they've found it may be the best compromise between driver and worker safety.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41704392

McCrack · 20-01-2018 10:47pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

That doesn't really work with road traffic regulations though.

Sure I'll drive to the pub tonight and have 5 or 6 pints and use my own judgement regarding driving home.

We are not discussing drink driving

It does work with speed limits

As I said twice before there are posted 80 kmh limits near me on what can be described as a country lanes, you would need somewhat a death wish to drive at 80 kmh along them, bad surfaces, twists and barely room for two cars to pass.

Therefore I use judgement and common sense and drive to the conditions ie considerably slower than the limit

The opposite is in fact the case on the M7

The posted limit of 60 kmh is too slow for the conditions, 80 kmh is reasonable therefore I drive at that

trellheim · 20-01-2018 10:52pm

You havent answered my question.

If the next poster on this forum suggested that in their view 110 kph was appropriate, would you agree or be violently in disagreement ; what would be your grounds for your judgment being better than theirs ?

Poor driving on the M7 M9 upgrade

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