Galway traffic

what_traffic · 07-04-2021 2:54pm

The following was uploaded just last month on National Transport dot ie https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Parkmore-Area-Strategic-Transport-Framework.pdf

1.1 Where are Parkmore Area Commuters coming from? 38% of Parkmore Area employees live in Galway City, with the majority of these living between the Corrib River and the Parkmore Area (see Figure 3). 54% of Parkmore Area employees come from across Galway County. The remaining 8% of Parkmore Area employees commute to the area from outside of Galway

So not a large no of commuters to Parkmore coming from West of the City. Twice as many coming from the city who are on east of the Corrib. It makes sense that people that can, would choose to live nearer their place of employment. The County figure is what focus needs to be on for Parkmore

timmyntc · 07-04-2021 2:56pm

what_traffic wrote: »

The following was uploaded just last month on National Transport dot ie https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Parkmore-Area-Strategic-Transport-Framework.pdf

1.1 Where are Parkmore Area Commuters coming from? 38% of Parkmore Area employees live in Galway City, with the majority of these living between the Corrib River and the Parkmore Area (see Figure 3). 54% of Parkmore Area employees come from across Galway County. The remaining 8% of Parkmore Area employees commute to the area from outside of Galway

So not a large no of commuters to Parkmore coming from West of the City. Twice as many coming from the city who are on east of the Corrib. It makes sense that people that can, would choose to live nearer their place of employment. The County figure is what focus needs to be on for Parkmore

Galway county is also west of the city you know

what_traffic · 07-04-2021 3:01pm

timmyntc wrote: »

Galway county is also west of the city you know

Ya grew up there - we did support the lads in Maroon there as well

Mrs OBumble · 07-04-2021 4:02pm

timmyntc wrote: »

Galway county is also west of the city you know

Half of it is.

But my bet is that the county residents who work in Parkmore mainly live in Claregalway, Oranmore, Athenry, Tuam, Headford, and places in between.

what_traffic · 07-04-2021 4:30pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Half of it is.

But my bet is that the county residents who work in Parkmore mainly live in Claregalway, Oranmore, Athenry, Tuam, Headford, and places in between.

Your bet would be very safe.

Area wise West Galway Connemara might be close to half the size , but population wise only 1/4 of the County. No of Cllrs is a good yard stick. They have 9/39 Cllrs v's 30/39 for North, South and East Co. Galway
http://www.galway.ie/en/services/yourcouncil/cllrs/

07-04-2021 5:06pm

what_traffic wrote: »

The following was uploaded just last month on National Transport dot ie https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Parkmore-Area-Strategic-Transport-Framework.pdf

1.1 Where are Parkmore Area Commuters coming from? 38% of Parkmore Area employees live in Galway City, with the majority of these living between the Corrib River and the Parkmore Area (see Figure 3). 54% of Parkmore Area employees come from across Galway County. The remaining 8% of Parkmore Area employees commute to the area from outside of Galway

So not a large no of commuters to Parkmore coming from West of the City. Twice as many coming from the city who are on east of the Corrib. It makes sense that people that can, would choose to live nearer their place of employment. The County figure is what focus needs to be on for Parkmore

Thanks for sharing that doc. It fairly effectively eviscerates all the measures done up to now which have pretty much just been geared towards the private car user. I think its safe to say, based on this, that any further money going towards that area will need to reprioritize as per the sustainable mobility pyramid. Page 17 of that report is pretty damning in its summary of the current situation

Its interesting to note that it covers all of the following and not just Parkmore

Parkmore East,
Parkmore West;
Galway Technology Park;
Ballybrit Business Park;
Ballybane Industrial Estate; and
Briarhill Business Park

Some things to note from reviewing it

Only 12% of people working in the above are crossing the river from inside the city, or 1,650 people. This just re-emphasizes the farce that is the ring road proposal.
Approximately 15% of trips to the study area originate within 500m walking distance of an existing direct bus service stop. If cross-city routes and transfers are taken into account this increases to an estimated 25% of trips
Bus patronage in Galway has continued to grow, increasing by 23.5% between 2013 and 2018 (NTA Bus and Rail Statistics, 2019). Bus patronage increased by a further 21.6% in a single calendar year from 2018 to 2019. This growth is primarily due to the provision of increased frequency of Bus Éireann services.
There is little to no measures taken to improve nus usage in the area (no lanes, bus stops in the middle of grass, few shelters (this may have changed in the last few months)
Doughiska has "high quality cycling infrastructure".....apparently
Galway City has the second highest rates of urban cycling in Ireland at 5.8%, (with Dublin being first at 7.6%).
For any that use it, the Merlin Park rat run is going the way of the Dodo expect for walking & cycling traffic

As to how they are looking to address it, I've listed some items below, however I will call out the medium term is listed as "Accelerate reconfiguration of the city’s roads and streets, in favour of sustainable transport modes, coupled to provision of tailored public transport services, and provision of Park and Ride arrangements."

Buses

Bus priority towards Parkmore Road for the existing key routes (405, 409);
Bus priority on Tuam Road for existing buses, and additional buses using Racecourse Road;
Southbound bus priority for buses departing the Parkmore Area along Parkmore Road;
Bus penetration into the Parkmore Area to reduce pedestrian walk times and the overall journey time; and
New bus stops / road crossings where pedestrian permeability has been provided through the various business estates

Park & Ride
Important note, they are clear without all of the bus measures listed above being implemented, a P&R service is unaffordable and unlikely to be a viable option

The determination of the preferred Park and Ride site(s) will be completed in the short term, by the NTA Park and Ride Project Office.

However, a functioning Park and Ride will be dependent on completion of the Public Transport Interventions in section 5.1 above. Without these, bus services to / from the Park and Ride location will be delayed, with no competitive advantage over remaining in one’s car. To maintain frequency without these interventions, many buses would be required in the peak periods, making the service unaffordable.

Accordingly, while Park and Ride site design will be progressed as quickly as possible, their successful operation is contingent on the (prior) provision of bus priority infrastructure. Accordingly, while the procurement of a suitable site and the design/planning process can be undertaken in the short term, the construction and operation of Park and Ride will be a Medium Term project.

A P&R at either

the airport which will include bus priority measures along the R339 or
Expanding the parking at Oranmore Train station.
The decision of which will be done by the NTA's P&R Office.

Walking & Cycling

Completion if segregated cycling route west-east from SQR right up to the Parkmore Rd/Tuam Rd junction.
Improvements to the Briarhill / N6/ Monivea Junction, to provide better access to /from the Briarhill Underpass;
Permeability within the business parks, such that pedestrians and cyclists approach from the nearest entrance (whether Tuam Road, N6 or Parkmore Road) to reach their destination, during peak hours (including darkness);
Enhancement of existing facilities;
Improved junction design, with acceptable pedestrian and cycling provision, for both signalised and non-signalised junctions;
Continuity of footpath / cycle track along routes, including a shared cycle/pedestrian facility along the entirety of Parkmore Road from the Briarhill Underpass to the Parkmore Road roundabout and
The removal of rat running from Merlin Park Hospital will immediately provide a high quality 3.5km safe cycle route linking Renmore / Murrough to the Briarhill Underpass into the Parkmore Area.
Also: The provision of additional Public Bikes stations at Parkmore is feasible and desirable, but will depend on the identification of funding sources to offset the additional operational costs associated with such expansion.

There is a lot more in it. For a full list of all the proposals, read from pg 28 onwards. For such a small area they have put an awful lot into this. Granted they have included some items which are safe to say as being outside the scope e.g. the upgrades of Kirwan and Browne RAB's etc, but they have included them on the basis of the effect the upgrades will have for sustainable modes of transport.

There are 32 proposed actions for the short term, 7 for the medium term and 1 long term. The long term one is a complete redesign of Parkmore Rd, with full bike lanes, bus lanes etc.

07-04-2021 5:40pm

what_traffic wrote: »

So not a large no of commuters to Parkmore coming from West of the City.

Maybe not a large % but still a large number as the total numbers in Parkmore are big and you see some massive shifts flooding out at the same time.

There are definitely local road improvements to be made at Parkmore to address the bottlenecks in the short distance from Parkmore to the motorway.

what_traffic · 07-04-2021 5:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

[*]Doughiska has "high quality cycling infrastructure".....apparently

that made me laugh as well
Galway City Council gave themselves a "D" rating for the Doughiska Cycle Paths in the GTS, but overall this doc shows they are heading in the right direction.

08-04-2021 12:07pm

That's worrying - Doughiska is often listed as one of the worst attempts at cycling infrastructure in the country!

And it's not even a lazy solution, a lot of work went into making it that bad.

https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/1125083536090857481?s=20

what_traffic · 08-04-2021 1:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That's worrying - Doughiska is often listed as one of the worst attempts at cycling infrastructure in the country!

And it's not even a lazy solution, a lot of work went into making it that bad.

https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/1125083536090857481?s=20

They were told at planning stage over a decade ago now that it was daft and poorly devised scheme by the Galway Cycling Campaign. It was ignored. It was a rushed at the time. Irony of course is that the Galway Transportation Study in 2016 (less than a decade after Doughiskka Road was built) - the Council gave themselves a D rating for the cycling infrastrucutre (a lower rating than the Service Duct paths, now called bike paths along the N6). A damning indictment really.

sasal · 08-04-2021 2:36pm

https://twitter.com/mick_scott/status/1379501173934292993

Maybe some bollards would fix it.

biko · 08-04-2021 2:39pm

Looks crap. Some nice flower boxes would be better.
Hope that's on the cards instead of orange sticks all over.

what_traffic · 08-04-2021 2:41pm

biko wrote: »

Looks crap. Some nice flower boxes would be better.
Hope that's on the cards instead of orange sticks all over.

Thats the intention, agree a few flower boxes would seem a better spend of money but would require maintenance.....

Mrs OBumble · 08-04-2021 2:47pm

sasal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mick_scott/status/1379501173934292993

Maybe some bollards would fix it.

What problem was this solution trying to fix?

WallyGUFC · 08-04-2021 2:57pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

What problem was this solution trying to fix?

People park in that gap all the time, can leave space fairly tight on both sides for passing cars. Those bollards look shocking though, who decided on the bollards??

08-04-2021 3:50pm

Its a temp solution, that whole area is going to be no parking in a year or two

serfboard · 08-04-2021 4:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its a temp solution, that whole area is going to be no parking in a year or two

Yep, under Bus Connects there is a very nice plaza planned for Woodquay.

?Cee?view · 08-04-2021 4:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its a temp solution, that whole area is going to be no parking in a year or two

A real kick in the teeth for local businesses

Bobeagleburger · 08-04-2021 5:04pm

?Cee?view wrote: »

A real kick in the teeth for local businesses

Why?

Surely a pedestrianised array would attract greater footfall, and thus help local businesses?

biko · 08-04-2021 5:15pm

It depends. Possibly the people that live in the country won't come shopping in the city if there are less parking spots there. It's an uncertainty.
On the other hand, developers hope more room for bars and tables will attract more people close to the city that walk, bike, taxi or bus in.
It's a gamble and I hope it pays off.

?Cee?view · 08-04-2021 5:18pm

6 wrote: »

Why?

Surely a pedestrianised array would attract greater footfall, and thus help local businesses?

No, it will only help the likes of cafes, shops that sell small occasional items and those directed to tourists. Fahertys' Paint Shop for instance will likely be finished.

This is all fine of course if what's wanted is a central car free area with business and commerce conducted in out of town shopping centres while the town centre becomes a walking and tourist thoroughfare.

?Cee?view · 08-04-2021 5:19pm

6 wrote: »

Why?

Surely a pedestrianised array would attract greater footfall, and thus help local businesses?

It will certainly attract further people who walk, literally footfall, but I can't see how that translates to more people.

Mrs OBumble · 08-04-2021 5:24pm

?Cee?view wrote: »

A real kick in the teeth for local businesses

And residents, who don't really want to live in a public drinking and pissing plaza.

If you don't understand what I mean, try sitting in Eyre Square for a couple of hours.

08-04-2021 6:25pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And residents, who don't really want to live in a public drinking and pissing plaza.

If you don't understand what I mean, try sitting in Eyre Square for a couple of hours.

So you want the pubs in the city center done away with then, yes?

Infrastructure changes don't seem to be your issue, seems to be drinkers.

what_traffic · 08-04-2021 6:45pm

biko wrote: »

It depends. Possibly the people that live in the country won't come shopping in the city if there are less parking spots there. It's an uncertainty.
On the other hand, developers hope more room for bars and tables will attract more people close to the city that walk, bike, taxi or bus in.
It's a gamble and I hope it pays off.

Its not a gamble at all, there's literally a 1000+ car parking spaces within 5mins walk of this location. Any parking left in Woodquay area should be focused for residents only and blue badge holders.

08-04-2021 11:11pm

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/decision-on-proposal-for-galway-city-ring-road-pushed-back-to-june/

"The decision date on the proposed Galway city ring road has been pushed back from the end of April to the end of June.

An Bord Pleanála had set a provisional target date of the end of this month for decision, however this has now been extended."

ratracer · 08-04-2021 11:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you want the pubs in the city center done away with then, yes?

Infrastructure changes don't seem to be your issue, seems to be drinkers.

And cyclists.......don’t forget the cyclists!

08-04-2021 11:56pm

ratracer wrote: »

And cyclists.......don’t forget the cyclists!

With all these two wheelers pushing the four wheelers out of town, we're left with nothing but no wheelers drinking and pissing on the streets.

Laviski · 09-04-2021 12:13am

same old

if people really don't want roads built then the planning needs to allow for taller buildings. everything within city center should be doubling its current height. PT is only sucessful where there is population density.

so if build up isn't allowed/catered for then build the bypass.

09-04-2021 12:47am

Laviski wrote: »

same old

if people really don't want roads built then the planning needs to allow for taller buildings. everything within city center should be doubling its current height. PT is only sucessful where there is population density.

so if build up isn't allowed/catered for then build the bypass.

Building up is great, if they are smart about how they go about it i.e. a plan set out for the strategic development of specific sections of the city in very limited and specific manner, to ensure that all sectors of the economy and society are catered for in a well thought out and consistent manner where anyone can look at said plan and understand that over the next X years the following types of development are going to happen in each area a.k.a. a LAP (Local Area Plan).

Alas, GCC have seen fit to not do one for the city center and so they leave it to developers to take random stabs in the dark by throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks. They literally have no idea what the council will or won't approve.

Its the most stupid, braindead way to develop this city

Mrs OBumble · 09-04-2021 1:58am

Deleted User wrote: »

So you want the pubs in the city center done away with then, yes?

Infrastructure changes don't seem to be your issue, seems to be drinkers.

Woodquay is city-fringe, not city centre. It is a primarily residential area, with some shops and pubs (six pre-Covid, remains to be seen how many will be left afterwards, but I'm sure it will be fewer).

Infrastructure changes need to make sense, in this culture and climate, and throughout the whole 24 hours, not just in daylight.

Ireland in general, and Galway in particular has a major issue with open public spaces being used for public drinking. We already have a number of plaza type areas where this happens (Eyre Square, "Supermacs plaza" across the road from it, Spanish Arch, Claddagh Quay). The last of those is in another primarily residential area, and the residents there are absolutely plagued by people using their gardens as toilets. We don't need to create the same issue in another space.

Also, we also don't have a Mediterranean climate. Sure it doesn't rain all the time, you can generally find 20 minutes between showers to travel somewhere by bicycle. But would I trust the rain to stay away for 90 minutes so I could have a meal at an outdoor restaurant? Generally, no.

09-04-2021 3:03am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Woodquay is city-fringe, not city centre.

City fringe, that's a good one. Within 200m you have Eyre square, the Eyre Sq SC, William St/Shop St.

City fringe it ain't

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It is a primarily residential area, with some shops and pubs (six pre-Covid, remains to be seen how many will be left afterwards, but I'm sure it will be fewer).

Going back 100 years it has been a mixed-use area with both shops & residences. It also had a thriving market in times past which was retried with great success a number of years ago and now forms part of the city council Galway Public Realm Strategy as an area for renewal

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Infrastructure changes need to make sense, in this culture and climate, and throughout the whole 24 hours, not just in daylight.

Totally agree

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ireland in general, and Galway in particular has a major issue with open public spaces being used for public drinking. We already have a number of plaza type areas where this happens (Eyre Square, "Supermacs plaza" across the road from it, Spanish Arch, Claddagh Quay). The last of those is in another primarily residential area, and the residents there are absolutely plagued by people using their gardens as toilets. We don't need to create the same issue in another space.

Much like the report button on boards, if you don't like behavior on the streets, dial 999/112. As I said, it seems the issue you have is with drinkers, not changes to infrastructure. Using inaction, stagnation or the continued unfettered access of private cars everywhere is not the way to address the issues around drinkers.

?Cee?view · 09-04-2021 10:57am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Woodquay is city-fringe, not city centre. It is a primarily residential area, with some shops and pubs (six pre-Covid, remains to be seen how many will be left afterwards, but I'm sure it will be fewer).

Infrastructure changes need to make sense, in this culture and climate, and throughout the whole 24 hours, not just in daylight.

Ireland in general, and Galway in particular has a major issue with open public spaces being used for public drinking. We already have a number of plaza type areas where this happens (Eyre Square, "Supermacs plaza" across the road from it, Spanish Arch, Claddagh Quay). The last of those is in another primarily residential area, and the residents there are absolutely plagued by people using their gardens as toilets. We don't need to create the same issue in another space.

Also, we also don't have a Mediterranean climate. Sure it doesn't rain all the time, you can generally find 20 minutes between showers to travel somewhere by bicycle. But would I trust the rain to stay away for 90 minutes so I could have a meal at an outdoor restaurant? Generally, no.

Stop talking sense. It's not appreciated here

ben.schlomo · 09-04-2021 11:57am

?Cee?view wrote: »

Stop talking sense. It's not appreciated here

What type of sense is it though? Non-sense maybe?

09-04-2021 12:46pm

Valid concerns but as DaCor said, filling the space with moving traffic and parked cars isn't a great way to deal with issues around drinking and public order.

biko · 09-04-2021 2:25pm

what_traffic wrote: »

Its not a gamble at all, there's literally a 1000+ car parking spaces within 5mins walk of this location. Any parking left in Woodquay area should be focused for residents only and blue badge holders.

You make it sound like all those +1000 are always available. I don't know if you drive but all the city car parks and houses fill up.

Removing the spaces in Woodquay will probably not cause the people that usually park there to park start cycling/busing into the city.

timmyntc · 09-04-2021 2:35pm

biko wrote: »

You make it sound like all those +1000 are always available. I don't know if you drive but all the city car parks and houses fill up.

Do you think removing the spaces in Woodquay will cause the people that usually park there to park start cycling/busing into the city?

Public transport improvements will encourage more public transport usage.
Pedestrianization of woodquay is not to incentivise public transport - but to create a space that can actually be enjoyed by people, rather than used to park their big metal boxes so they can walk to shop street.

09-04-2021 3:48pm

biko wrote: »

Removing the spaces in Woodquay will probably not cause the people that usually park there to park start cycling/busing into the city.

Actually it will encourage some people to switch modes to more sustainable options.

Reducing the priority, access and free movement of the private car along with reducing parking availability while increasing the cost of what remains, these are legitimate means by which to encourage modal switch and are literally used all over the world to do this.

what_traffic · 09-04-2021 3:54pm

biko wrote: »

You make it sound like all those +1000 are always available. I don't know if you drive but all the city car parks and houses fill up.

Removing the spaces in Woodquay will probably not cause the people that usually park there to park start cycling/busing into the city.

I do drive, when leaving City - but never into City Centre. I cycle, walk or get the bus to get into the City.
Removing spaces in Woodquay will change peoples driving behavior in that area - they wont be able to park there so they will have to start changing there behavior regardless. Some may use other car parks, some might start using the bus, but when Salmon Weir Bridge is a bus gate it will certainly make Bus and Bike far more attractive to get to and from Woodquay as it will eliminate through car traffic in that area. That will have another huge change on peoples driving behavior in that area. Some people can adapt to change some cannot.

ratracer · 09-04-2021 4:09pm

biko wrote: »

You make it sound like all those +1000 are always available. I don't know if you drive but all the city car parks and houses fill up.

Removing the spaces in Woodquay will probably not cause the people that usually park there to park start cycling/busing into the city.

Perhaps a little bit of hyperbole in this reply. The only times ‘all the city car parks’ are ever reported as full are a couple of Saturdays in December when the Christmas shopping period is in full swing!

biko · 09-04-2021 6:05pm

Read through any of the previous car parking threads.
Anywhere close to Woodquay like Dyke/Cathedral etc filled up every morning before the virus.

But - considering the virus I can understand doing the work in Woodquay now.
Lots of people that previously drove into town from the county will stay working from home anyway during the weekdays.

The shops will be glad for any business once they open and it will be a while before all the people start going into town again.
Possibly by then some families will start using the bus instead of a car.

what_traffic · 09-04-2021 7:06pm

biko wrote: »

But - considering the virus I can understand doing the work in Woodquay now.
Lots of people that previously drove into town from the county will stay working from home anyway during the weekdays.

The shops will be glad for any business once they open and it will be a while before all the people start going into town again.
Possibly by then some families will start using the bus instead of a car.

I agree - will be a while yet before numbers going into the City will be back to 2019 levels, looking like 2022 at the earliest.
Am pretty sure the proposal for Woodquay was in the pipeline pre-Covid.
Are families the key target? If we could get half the single occupier car users to change it would be a massive modal change - they are the ones we need to switch to using the bus. The storage space required for such private vehicle usage in the City, we are using a huge amount of land at the minute for this.

Laviski · 09-04-2021 10:23pm

what are people taking cause whatever it is i'll have some.

people abandon their cars and use PT...... get real.
Not going to happen with unreliable services that existed pre covid. Maybe, just maybe when that bus connect plan is completed it may ( and i say may) tempt people to use it, but realistically the bus connects does not serve any high density residential areas. People not within 10 minutes walking distance of these stops aren't going to choose Bus over their car if they have one. Traffic congestion isn't confined to just eyre square.... living on one side of the city to work on another your likely to lose 2 hours commute every day as opposed to 40-50 mins by car (on a good day). People don't have time to lose that. Plus people that invested in a car, will choose a car cause they paid/paying for it, so why add more expense and not use it. (yes, once the realise they don't need a car and can rely on PT they could get rid of it, but we are decades away from that)

The terraced and semi's along that bus connects route need to be replaced with apartment blocks or at least townhouses to increase the usage of the space (maybe remove requirement to provide car park spaces). This will allow frequency of said service to not require a timetable as you know a bus will arrive every 5/10 minutes. WIth current planning and objections to height, that just isn't going to happen even if it was a possibility.

If you can't get from point A to point B on PT in a consistent reliable manner, people will still travel in their cars. Until that happens, there isn't any incentive. Plus there is covid and certain people don't want to share confined spaces especially those with a clear lack of personal Hygiene/respect for others.

09-04-2021 10:55pm

Laviski wrote: »

Not going to happen with unreliable services that existed pre covid. Maybe, just maybe when that bus connect plan is completed it may ( and i say may) tempt people to use it, but realistically the bus connects does not serve any high density residential areas.

Agreed the current public transport in Galway is dire.

That can be fixed though. BusConnects is a (slow) start but we should be more ambitious than that.

It wouldn't take much time to overhaul the network but would require decisive action over a couple of years, which the city council seem to be incapable. It might happen if we see a change in the top roles in the council or if the ring road is rejected and they're forced into action.

Mrs OBumble · 09-04-2021 11:09pm

Laviski wrote: »

The terraced and semi's along that bus connects route need to be replaced with apartment blocks or at least townhouses to increase the usage of the space

Where exactly do you think the Bus Connects route goes? Why do you think there is only one?

Laviski wrote: »

Plus there is covid and certain people don't want to share confined spaces especially those with a clear lack of personal Hygiene/respect for others.

This is another very real factor: at this point, we have no idea what level of use of public transport will even be possible at this stage.

Laviski · 10-04-2021 8:16am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Where exactly do you think the Bus Connects route goes? Why do you think there is only one?

https://www.galwaycity.ie/busconnects-galway-cross-city-link

this one. basically connecting seamus quirke road duel bus lane to connect to the single bus lane on dublin road. further optimizes the the routes when coming to inner city, as a car use i actually welcome but it ain't enough. That entire route needs ( example 405 westbound and 409 as they take full advantage of this) to be developed into high density residential. when that happens then we can talk about PT being a real alternative for people.

10-04-2021 12:19pm

Laviski wrote: »

https://www.galwaycity.ie/busconnects-galway-cross-city-link

this one. basically connecting seamus quirke road duel bus lane to connect to the single bus lane on dublin road. further optimizes the the routes when coming to inner city, as a car use i actually welcome but it ain't enough. That entire route needs ( example 405 westbound and 409 as they take full advantage of this) to be developed into high density residential. when that happens then we can talk about PT being a real alternative for people.

Ah that explains it, you are only looking at one part of the entire story

First off you have the Galway Transport Strategy which was done in 2016 and is up for review this year or next. This contains everything but at a high level in terms of the details - https://www.galwaycity.ie/galway-transport-strategy

Next up you have the various GTS projects underway at the moment. So the Salmon Weir, Cross City Link, Dublin rd redesign and recently added, Martin RAB - https://www.galwaycity.ie/maintenance-strategy-projects

Each of the above has their own website and consultation etc and they go into a lot more detail on the linked pages /sites.

I strongly recommend that you take the time to read through all the information available and then revisit your thoughts. Maybe you will agree with everything being done, maybe you'll agree with 50% but you won't know until you take the time to review everything.

Laviski · 10-04-2021 1:36pm

yes i have read them, while they are all good in their own right the bus connects from dublin rd through to university road brings real changes to the reliability of the existing PT infra. But as i have said, galway is missing high density so that routes don't need a time table.

I'm sorry to burst bubbles here, but people are not going to choose PT over their car. People on this thread are smoking some good stuff or just away with the fairies.

With price of houses, more and more people will be setting up roots outside of the city and will commute in for work or social. For people in the city like myself, i won't take the bus cause i don't need to get to eyre square i need to go to other places and it is at least 100% faster by car, by the time i waited for bus, changed bus, i would be back home before i got to my destination.

You can incentivise PT and make life difficult for car owners (which i don't object to) but your not gonna get real change/uptake for PT unless person can from point A to point B reliably and also cater for their social needs. Meaning sports,gym,cinema,restaurant,shopping etc etc.

changes on the junctions to better cater for pedestrians and cyclists, are great so long as they use them as it was designed. Expecting mass exodus of single occupancy of cars is just away with the fairies. You will get a single digit increase at best.

people want traffic gone, best way to do that is remove the cars - how do you remove cars, well it's by having great infra. How do you justify/pay for that infra - High density residential. needs to be incentives to remove the vast semi'D and terraced houses for high scale residential. But that's not going to happen.

10-04-2021 1:41pm

Laviski wrote: »

But as i have said, galway is missing high density so that routes don't need a time table.

Low density means longer distance routes but high frequency can still be achieved with additional buses.

Laviski · 10-04-2021 1:51pm

that make it super attractive to give up the car.?

Galway traffic

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