The afterlife

Liv2Luv · 18-11-2018 9:09pm

We are all Energy,Frequency and Vibration(thanks tesla),these do not get created or destroyed.

Your body is just like a vehicle.

A big mistake one can make is be afraid of death as there is no such thing.

Think of this 'reality' like a radio(station),there is a wide frequency range with many 'stations'
for some reason,most likely energy and vibration,this 'reality' is the default station,but not the only one.

yourdeadwright · 19-11-2018 12:20pm

Yuo know the previous 4.3 billion year or so before you where born, where you just didn't exist . Well when you die its the same as that you don't exist best to get over it and just deal with it,

Liv2Luv · 20-11-2018 11:40am

Wow

Really nice counter argument you got there.

How do you know 'i didn't exist'?

Your so locked in to this tiny portion of reality,you think its all there is.

Again,there is no such thing as birth or death.

The fact you don't understand,well,proves you don't understand.

Stay locked in,not my loss.

yourdeadwright · 20-11-2018 11:51am

Liv2Luv wrote: »

Wow

Really nice counter argument you got there.

How do you know 'i didn't exist'?

Your so locked in to this tiny portion of reality,you think its all there is.

Again,there is no such thing as birth or death.

The fact you don't understand,well,proves you don't understand.

Stay locked in,not my loss.

Humans are so self centred they make up the thoughts of an after life because they can't cope with the fact that when they are dead it is over,

Deal with it when its done its done.,

Of course there is such thing as birth and death it happens every day around you , lack of modesty to think other wise,

We are like plants or animals when we are gone we are gone end off, Like the sun .like everything we have an expiry date ,

Dr. Bre · 20-11-2018 12:07pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Even better is you were born in a star, and you'll be a star again.

We’re all made of stars

Dr. Bre · 20-11-2018 12:09pm

We only remember living not being dead. Maybe this means we don’t die

Fathom · 20-11-2018 8:49pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

We only remember living not being dead. Maybe this means we don’t die

False dichotomy?

Black Swan · 23-11-2018 10:06pm

Fathom wrote: »

False dichotomy?

Divine fallacy?

Fathom · 28-11-2018 10:26pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Divine fallacy?

Both?

Lavinia · 02-12-2018 2:11pm

You two

) hello to you (like born agan :d))

Frunchy · 02-12-2018 2:21pm

Strokes and neurodegenerative diseases are proof that there's no afterlife. These patients can have drastically altered personalities when even a relatively small area of the brain is affected. We are biological machines.

No way any sentience can survive the liquefactive necrosis the brain undergoes after death. It literally turns into goo within a few days.

Death is like before you were born. If your brain no longer exists, then you can't experience consciousness.

Fathom · 02-12-2018 6:17pm

Lavinia wrote: »

You two ) hello to you (like born agan :d))

Yo Lavinia. Miss your posts.

Frunchy wrote: »

Strokes and neurodegenerative diseases are proof that there's no afterlife.

Science doesn't prove. Only suggests. Theology is different approach.

Frunchy wrote: »

Death is like before you were born. If your brain no longer exists, then you can't experience consciousness.

Birth, life, death: stages transformed. Different. Before conception? After death? Who knows? Genetics may march on. Information before and after life.

Frunchy · 02-12-2018 6:28pm

Fathom wrote: »

Yo Lavinia. Miss your posts.

Science doesn't prove. Only suggests. Theology is different approach.

Birth, life, death: stages transformed. Different. Before conception? After death? Who knows? Genetics may march on. Information before and after life.

Theology is for people who can't accept their own mortality. We're simply animals with relatively large brains and opposable thumbs. Nothing inherently special about humans that would allow us to transcend death. We live and die like every other organism.

So you expect someone with massive brain injuries will suddenly regain all their cognitive functions after death?

Fathom · 16-12-2018 6:12pm

Frunchy wrote: »

So you expect someone with massive brain injuries will suddenly regain all their cognitive functions after death?

Not my point. Redefines "afterlife:" Population genetics. You live by what you pass on to future generations (if you do). Passed on from population to population. Evolving over millions of years. Of course, the one thing you can predict about any species is that it will someday be extinct. So finite, too. Philosophy of science.

Black Swan · 10-01-2019 2:09am

Are there multiple definitions of "afterlife," and if so, are there some that are considerably different from each other?

Fathom · 13-01-2019 6:34am

Black Swan wrote: »

Are there multiple definitions of "afterlife," and if so, are there some that are considerably different from each other?

A clear definition of "afterlife" in this thread? Or is it being treated as a given?

Black Swan · 15-01-2019 4:51am

Fathom wrote: »

A clear definition of "afterlife" in this thread? Or is it being treated as a given?

It could use one for discussion purposes.

Peregrinus · 15-01-2019 8:52am

Black Swan wrote: »

It could use one for discussion purposes.

The problem is that the dominant philosophical/theological traditions (at least, that are reasonably familiar to us) which affirm an afterlife all tend to assert that it is unknowable and indescribable (in this life, anyway).

Dr. Bre · 15-01-2019 9:51am

We’ve no idea why we are here in the first place let alone what happens after

Fathom · 16-01-2019 10:33pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

The problem is that the dominant philosophical/theological traditions (at least, that are reasonably familiar to us) which affirm an afterlife all tend to assert that it is unknowable and indescribable (in this life, anyway).

If "unknowable and indescribable," then how to discuss it?

Peregrinus · 17-01-2019 1:57am

Fathom wrote: »

If "unknowable and indescribable," then how to discuss it?

The fundamntal problem of metaphysics, innit?

And yet we cope, somehow. None of us knows what it is to die, and none of us can describe dying. (We can describe what it is to watch other people die, but that's not the same thing.) But this doesn't stop us reflecting on, or talking about, death.

And the same could be said for all kinds of abstractions and concepts, from the square root of minus one to the platonic solids to notions like "dignity" to the subjective experience of colours. They can't be observed, measured, quantified, described in the way that external natural objects can. But this doesn't meant that there can be no valid discourse about them.

Fathom · 17-01-2019 10:05pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

The fundamntal problem of metaphysics, innit?

Epistemology: How do we know what we know? Lacking etic (objective) data of afterlife. Leaving emic (subjective, through eyes of participant); anticipatory, before it happens? Problematic.

Peregrinus · 18-01-2019 1:53am

Fathom wrote: »

Epistemology: How do we know what we know? Lacking etic (objective) data of afterlife. Leaving emic (subjective, through eyes of participant); anticipatory, before it happens? Problematic.

Well, yeah. Everything we say about an afterlife is necessarily speculative. Including, it seems to me, any assertion that there is no afterlife.

Of course, we can reasonably and correctly say that these is no empirical evidence of an afterlife. But, then, there wouldn't be, would there? So we can't draw any conclusions from that. It's fallacious to apply the epistemology of natural science to supernatural postulates (or indeed any postulate that are not postulates of natural science).

So, if all we can do about an afterlife is speculate about it, is there any point or value in speculating about it? But we must all be agreed that there is some point or value because, hey, here we are, speculating about it.

Dr. Bre · 18-01-2019 9:44am

Nobody talks about the before life

Black Swan · 18-01-2019 1:44pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Nobody talks about the before life

Intuitively Plato (in Socratic Meno) suggests that knowledge exists before conception, if conception is our definition for life. This pre-life knowledge aids humans to advance after birth. This knowledge suggested by Plato, through the mouth of Socrates, is unclear as to its conceptual definition or how it might be measured (e.g., variable operationalisation, etc.). He does offer that this knowledge can be facilitated by the Socratic method of questioning and teaching.

Fathom · 20-01-2019 6:42pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Intuitively Plato (in Socratic Meno) suggests that knowledge exists before conception, if conception is our definition for life. This pre-life knowledge aids humans to advance after birth. This knowledge suggested by Plato, through the mouth of Socrates, is unclear as to its conceptual definition or how it might be measured (e.g., variable operationalisation, etc.). He does offer that this knowledge can be facilitated by the Socratic method of questioning and teaching.

Reiterates genetic knowledge. Heredity. Occurs pre-birth.

Black Swan · 22-01-2019 7:53pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Nobody talks about the before life

What about the philosophy of reincarnation, or karma in Hinduism and Buddhism?

Fathom · 28-02-2019 9:22pm

Can the Thomas theorem (1928) be applied to the afterlife? “If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences.” Real for them, even if there is no empirical evidence to support their conception of reality. Typically falls under faith, not science.

Peregrinus · 01-03-2019 2:25am

Fathom wrote: »

Can the Thomas theorem (1928) be applied to the afterlife? “If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences.” Real for them, even if there is no empirical evidence to support their conception of reality. Typically falls under faith, not science.

Mmm. Gotta point out that there's no empirical evidence to support the scientific conception of reality either. In the scientific method, the reality of the universe is an axiomatic assumption. It can't itself be proven, but it's assumed to be true and then relied upon to prove other things.

Black Swan · 01-03-2019 7:10pm

Fathom wrote: »

Can the Thomas theorem (1928) be applied to the afterlife? “If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences.” Real for them, even if there is no empirical evidence to support their conception of reality.

Follows the Social Construction of Reality (Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann, 1966).

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