Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2020/2021

Ol' Donie · 13-12-2020 10:13pm

10 goals in 12 league games.

Or 7 in the last 11, if you prefer.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:13pm

So who would u replace arteta with thats "available"

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:14pm

tayto lover wrote: »

A lot of the crowd left early.
Others stayed to boo.

Arteta’s tenure is very shaky now.

The crowd back atleast allows some fans get our feeling across

It was an experiment and it’s over. As someone said Eddie Howe is a higher quality

Quazzie · 13-12-2020 10:15pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So who would u replace arteta with thats "available"

Allegri

But with these players there is no point. The manager isn't the biggest problem at the club.

Changing the manager is not the answer

UnknownSpecies · 13-12-2020 10:15pm

If you boo though it means you're poisonous and no better than AFTV. Apparently.

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:16pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So who would u replace arteta with thats "available"

Poch?
Allegri?

There’s a lot of better managers out there depending on how ambitious you want to be and pay

tayto lover · 13-12-2020 10:17pm

We have 13 points out of a possible 36.
That’s pathetic for a club like Arsenal.
Lowest since the early 50’s.

I can’t see him surviving tbh.

wonga77 · 13-12-2020 10:17pm

Quazzie wrote: »

Allegri

But with these players there is no point. The manager isn't the biggest problem at the club.

Changing the manager is not the answer

What do you think should happen? Should Arteta continue even though things are steadily getting worse or what is the answer in your opinion?

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:17pm

Quazzie wrote: »

Allegri

But with these players there is no point. The manager isn't the biggest problem at the club.

Changing the manager is not the answer

HIT ON THE ****ING NAIL

Jmac24128 · 13-12-2020 10:17pm

I'm against booing but they had every right to boo the players and especially xhaka tonight. To think that man (I use the word man loosely) still gets handed the captain's armband.

Alfred Borden · 13-12-2020 10:18pm

Allegri, Poch and Hasenhuttl should be top of the list.

Hate to say this but maybe even...Rodgers.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:18pm

wonga77 wrote: »

What do you think should happen? Should Arteta continue even though things are steadily getting worse or what is the answer in your opinion?

we should continue, else you get allegri, get a nice boost for 6months and watch us fold again after that....

Ol' Donie · 13-12-2020 10:19pm

omega man wrote: »

We’re 5 points above relegation. It’s not all about the players. They’re good enough for top 7 minimum. Arteta isn’t even pep light.

These players were good enough to win the cup in what July? August? 12 league games later they can't string 2 passes together. I would question the manager, but they pulled the same shìt under Emery. They should be ashamed of themselves.

omega man · 13-12-2020 10:19pm

Sums it up sadly.

Daniel Harris
@DanielHarris
Arteta was given a rare opportunity: six months with no pressure on results to work out his best team and his best system. But instead he gave game-time to players who were never going to take him where he wanted to go, and the consequence of that is the mess we're seeing now.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:19pm

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Allegri, Poch and Hasenhuttl should be top of the list.

Hate to say this but maybe even...Rodgers.

none of those managers would make this team do any better

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:19pm

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Allegri, Poch and Hasenhuttl should be top of the list.

Hate to say this but maybe even...Rodgers.

There’s a weird snobbery about Rodgers but he’s a great shout

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:20pm

omega man wrote: »

Sums it up sadly.

Daniel Harris
@DanielHarris
Arteta was given a rare opportunity: six months with no pressure on results to work out his best team and his best system. But instead he gave game-time to players who were never going to take him where he wanted to go, and the consequence of that is the mess we're seeing now.

It was the only players available....

Alfred Borden · 13-12-2020 10:20pm

Soups123 wrote: »

There’s a weird snobbery about Rodgers but he’s a great shout

Good coach but talks absolute rubbish.

13-12-2020 10:21pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Honestly he shoud drop the first team on wed, play the europa team.

The issue with that is that Dundalk with all due respect to them, are a far cry from the Premier League so it would be a sobering reality check. Three years ago, we had a group of youngsters that won in Belgrade and amongst them was the likes of Willock and Nketiah who haven't evolved in the first-team environment.

The root of the problem is the flaky useless senior players at the club and one toxic German in particular who goes missing in matches but has plenty to say on social media.

omega man · 13-12-2020 10:21pm

Soups123 wrote: »

There’s a weird snobbery about Rodgers but he’s a great shout

Some of us were laughed at when we mentioned him post Wenger and again pre Arteta.
I fear we won’t attract even his level now never mind Poch etc

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:21pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

we should continue, else you get allegri, get a nice boost for 6months and watch us fold again after that....

So go blindly into a relegation battle and accept nobody in the footballing world can improve this?

5star02707 · 13-12-2020 10:23pm

Burnley's first (away) win against Arsenal since 1974

First 4 consecutive home game defeats since 1959

Hopefully this is rock bottom or is it? Southampton and Everton next

Azatadine · 13-12-2020 10:24pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/kciy2b/interesting_stat/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Says it all really.

13-12-2020 10:25pm

Hahahaha. Did anyone just hear the story Evra told?

He went around to Henry's house to watch an Arsenal match, and when Thierry saw Xhaka captaining the team, he turned the TV off. Evra asked why, and Thierry said he can't watch Xhaka captaining his team.

Hilarious if true.

Quazzie · 13-12-2020 10:25pm

wonga77 wrote: »

What do you think should happen? Should Arteta continue even though things are steadily getting worse or what is the answer in your opinion?

The players go home tonight, wake up tomorrow to a day off. Then Tuesday they begin preparation for the match Wednesday. After the match on Wednesday they do the same. Arteta has no chance to coach them at all.

The players are the ones who aren't performing. Arteta is naming the strongest XI on paper tonight. Willian is the only one I'd question but there is no better replacement in the squad. Lads on here getting a horn for players because they done well against Dundalk. They still conceded 2 against a glorified pub team in relation to Arsenal. The blame for tonight's loss is on the players.

DenMan · 13-12-2020 10:26pm

I have talksport on now and the fans are livid. Get Pochettino in they say. He'd be great for us. Arteta's gone boys, it won't be long now. We've hit rock bottom and the only way is up.

applehunter · 13-12-2020 10:29pm

In fairness to John Giles, he had Xacha sussed early on and insisted he should have been shown the exit door years ago.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The root of the problem is the flaky useless senior players at the club and one toxic German in particular who goes missing in matches but has plenty to say on social media.

Whats ironic is that ever since Arteta ommmited Ozil from the 25 man squad, arsenal turned ****.....

tayto lover · 13-12-2020 10:31pm

Quazzie wrote: »

The players go home tonight, wake up tomorrow to a day off. Then Tuesday they begin preparation for the match Wednesday. After the match on Wednesday they do the same. Arteta has no chance to coach them at all.

The players are the ones who aren't performing. Arteta is naming the strongest XI on paper tonight. Willian is the only one I'd question but there is no better replacement in the squad. Lads on here getting a horn for players because they done well against Dundalk. They still conceded 2 against a glorified pub team in relation to Arsenal. The blame for tonight's loss is on the players.

Sorry Quazzie I agree with some of your points but Arteta is the man charged with preparing the team, game plan and team selection. A lot of it IS his fault. He’s been managing them for over a year now and should really have some handle on it.

wonga77 · 13-12-2020 10:33pm

Quazzie wrote: »

The players go home tonight, wake up tomorrow to a day off. Then Tuesday they begin preparation for the match Wednesday. After the match on Wednesday they do the same. Arteta has no chance to coach them at all.

The players are the ones who aren't performing. Arteta is naming the strongest XI on paper tonight. Willian is the only one I'd question but there is no better replacement in the squad. Lads on here getting a horn for players because they done well against Dundalk. They still conceded 2 against a glorified pub team in relation to Arsenal. The blame for tonight's loss is on the players.

I think you're being extremely easy on Arteta there. He's been in charge long enough now to have made some kind of stamp on the team. We have no style or direction to our play at all, even the basic elements of our play has regressed.
We have no defined style of play, its not possession based, its not defensively minded and definitely not attack minded. The clamour for other players is for them to at least get a shot, we cant keep putting out the same 11 every week and hoping for a miracle (unless he's seeing something in training that's just not translating to the field of play)

Deeper Blue · 13-12-2020 10:33pm

Our next four games:

Southampton
Everton
Man City
Chelsea

Based on our performances in the last 5 matches, can anyone see how we're going to get even a draw out of any of those 4 games?

I can't see us turning it around. There's no sign whatsoever that we're improving in any way.

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:34pm

Quazzie wrote: »

The players go home tonight, wake up tomorrow to a day off. Then Tuesday they begin preparation for the match Wednesday. After the match on Wednesday they do the same. Arteta has no chance to coach them at all.

The players are the ones who aren't performing. Arteta is naming the strongest XI on paper tonight. Willian is the only one I'd question but there is no better replacement in the squad. Lads on here getting a horn for players because they done well against Dundalk. They still conceded 2 against a glorified pub team in relation to Arsenal. The blame for tonight's loss is on the players.

Too much bull here, what a lame excuse for Arteta he hasn’t enough time to coach the team? Seriously?

A cheap dig at lads saying mix up the 11 with squad players. What you offering up as a suggestion?

tayto lover · 13-12-2020 10:36pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Whats ironic is that ever since Arteta ommmited Ozil from the 25 man squad, arsenal turned ****.....

Didn’t AMN tweet that the entire panel were behind Ozil about a month ago.
Something going on behind the scenes at Arsenal.
It could be the political thing that the owners didn’t like and Ozil was banished as a result. Just my twopence worth but something is definitely wrong at the club.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:37pm

El Sueño wrote: »

Our next four games:

Southampton
Everton
Man City
Chelsea

Based on our performances in the last 5 matches, can anyone see how we're going to get even a draw out of any of those 4 games?

I can't see us turning it around. There's no sign whatsoever that we're improving in any way.

The way things are, it wont surprise me if we actually won all those lol

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:38pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Didn’t AMN tweet that the entire panel were behind Ozil about a month ago.
Something going on behind the scenes at Arsenal.
It could be the political thing that the owners didn’t like and Ozil was banished as a result. Just my twopence worth but something is definitely wrong at the club.

And i doubt is Arteta fault has ozil beef is with the owners dont forget

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:38pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Didn’t AMN tweet that the entire panel were behind Ozil about a month ago.
Something going on behind the scenes at Arsenal.
It could be the political thing that the owners didn’t like and Ozil was banished as a result. Just my twopence worth but something is definitely wrong at the club.

I think too many players got banished Ozil, Gendouizi, Saliba even Papa. That’s a lot of problems to have early doors and has clearly erked too many players.

tayto lover · 13-12-2020 10:39pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

And i doubt is Arteta fault has ozil beef is with the owners dont forget

Sorry Jonny I can’t make that out.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:43pm

Soups123 wrote: »

I think too many players got banished Ozil, Gendouizi, Saliba even Papa. That’s a lot of problems to have early doors and has clearly erked too many players.

Well how are we supposed to reove dead wood then?
You guys complain that we should get rid of xhaka but as you just pointed out, getting rid of too many is also a problem?

Jmac24128 · 13-12-2020 10:44pm

I'm worried, very very worried and I'm extremely positive about arsenal and the growth of the club. He has till Christmas day now to get us up that table or I'm fully behind the get poch in brigade.

Drop Willian
Drop Bellerin
Drop Holden
Drop Xhaka
Drop laca

Even these simple changes will get me more behind him.

Deeper Blue · 13-12-2020 10:46pm

I see there's a Spurs fan thanking every negative post in the thread.

As sad as that is I can understand it, they'll be winning SFA so the highlight of their season will be watching us struggle.

DenMan · 13-12-2020 10:46pm

Walcott might finish Arteta off on Wednesday night if he's not gone in the morning.

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:46pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Well how are we supposed to reove dead wood then?
You guys complain that we should get rid of xhaka but as you just pointed out, getting rid of too many is also a problem?

We got rid of none of that 4!! They are all still with the club 3 of them with the reserves and u23s. Leaving them to rot is a lot worse than selling

Gendouizi got a hard deal, Xhaka was let off for worse.

tayto lover · 13-12-2020 10:47pm

Soups123 wrote: »

I think too many players got banished Ozil, Gendouizi, Saliba even Papa. That’s a lot of problems to have early doors and has clearly erked too many players.

If Ozil was on there tonight I’d say we’d have won. He’s the only creative player we have even if he’s inconsistent.
He’s been banished for some reason which must be very serious (off the field)
yet Xhaka was reinstated for a serious incident on the field and then reinstated as captain only to do another stupid act on the field.
Hard to understand really.

wonga77 · 13-12-2020 10:48pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Well how are we supposed to reove dead wood then?
You guys complain that we should get rid of xhaka but as you just pointed out, getting rid of too many is also a problem?

There's a difference between dropping players for playing crap and freezing players out but keeping them on the books.
Somethings going on behind the scenes that has affected the players anyway

5star02707 · 13-12-2020 10:50pm

Just want Arteta to actually reward those player performing well and drop these lot who time and time again not put in the effort

UnknownSpecies · 13-12-2020 10:51pm

El Sueño wrote: »

I see there's a Spurs fan thanking every negative post in the thread.

As sad as that is I can understand it, they'll be winning SFA so the highlight of their season will be watching us struggle.

Rent free.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:53pm

Soups123 wrote: »

We got rid of none of that 4!! They are all still with the club 3 of them with the reserves and u23s. Leaving them to rot is a lot worse than selling

Gendouizi got a hard deal, Xhaka was let off for worse.

Bro you cant blame arteta for buying and selling players!! it aint his money ffs.

tayto lover · 13-12-2020 10:53pm

El Sueño wrote: »

I see there's a Spurs fan thanking every negative post in the thread.

As sad as that is I can understand it, they'll be winning SFA so the highlight of their season will be watching us struggle.

Ah that’s Davy.
He’s our house pet. No harm in him.

Soups123 · 13-12-2020 10:54pm

tayto lover wrote: »

If Ozil was on there tonight I’d say we’d have won. He’s the only creative player we have even if he’s inconsistent.
He’s been banished for some reason which must be very serious (off the field)
yet Xhaka was reinstated for a serious incident on the field and then reinstated as captain only to do another stupid act on the field.
Hard to understand really.

Ozil is all down to the China comments, 100% right but football has no room for politics.

The club forced that not Arteta and I think that’s destroyed the positive morale in the club as they will agree wholeheartedly with what Arteta said and be disgusted that he’s been treated this way for it

When the club took this stance they had to replace him with another creative player but didn’t.

I also think the redundancies, wage cuts and at the time even dropping the mascot it’s all accumulating into an negative environment when all the Arteta talk was of bringing the club together

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2020 10:55pm

wonga77 wrote: »

There's a difference between dropping players for playing crap and freezing players out but keeping them on the books.
Somethings going on behind the scenes that has affected the players anyway

You honestly think managers these days are responsible of keeping players on the books, paying there salary etc lol

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