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Can media people please stop saying Finne Gwail?

  • 15-01-2020 5:53pm
    #1
    Boulevardier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭


    A small but irritating gripe.

    Most of us will have noticed RTE reporters and other journalists referring to the current Taoiseach's party as "Finne Gwail" even though they are reporting in English. In some cases the "gwail" is delivered in a hideously guttral, strangulated voice, for example by Sean O'Rourke.

    This is a form of pseudo-correctness which annoys me and, I'm sure, many others. Nobody outside media circles ever, ever says "Finne Gwail." My own older blueshirt relatives were usually happy to call their party "Feene Gail" and were never contradicted.

    It also tells me that media people are more anxious to prove their linguistic purity and establishment loyalties than they are to communicate effectively with their listeners.


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  • #2
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    And stop voting for the Finne Gwail too while we're at it.


  • #3
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Because they can't say Blueshirt Bastards over the airwaves.


  • #4
    Wheety
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭Wheety


    Also can the media (mostly radio adverts) stop saying 'you are' when they mean your!


    I presume the media are reading this thread? Like, it is addressed to them.


  • #5
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Boulevardier wrote: »
    A small but irritating gripe.
    Almost a trivial annoyance.


  • #6
    FFVII
    Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    Jerome Helpless Sunspot wrote: »
    And stop voting for the Finne Gwail too while we're at it.

    Can't look at Martin for next X years myself.

    He was happy to sit back and take fat paycheck all his life, let him stay there.

    Retiring soon so wants it for the crack now.


    But it's all just a payday for a bunch of heads. At the end results will be the same.


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  • #7
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Ring the Goorthee the next time they do it OP.


  • #8
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Fine ( as in Foyne) Gael is acceptable


  • #9
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    seamus wrote: »
    Ring the Goorthee the next time they do it OP.

    Busy at the moment. They have gone out to attend a crash at the ryndabyte.


  • #10
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Just wait till your retirement, you will get hours of fun emailing the Irish Times pointing out the grammatical errors in the paper, followed by a few hours eamiling to RTE pointing out the linguistical errors and lamenting the decline in standards and use of the English language by our national broadcaster.


  • #11
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Wait until Finna Gwail start canvassing Doon Lay-horagh or Port Leesha


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  • #12
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    If only we had a thread dedicated to minor things that annoy you...


  • #13
    GalwayGrrrrrl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭GalwayGrrrrrl


    I live in the gwaltecht so that’s how I would pronounce it.


  • #14
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I honestly always thought the "Gwail" was a correct pronunciation, along with "Gail", depending primarily on which region one's dialect comes from?

    It's similar to the Dáil - depending on who you talk to, it's "Dall", "Thall", "Thoyle" or "Doyle". I imagine it's similar to another regional quirk in Irish, wherein some dialects replace the "r" sound with a very soft "d", so for example in the number 4, "Caw-hear" becomes "Caw-hid" or "Caw-hidge".


  • #15
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    topper75 wrote: »
    Busy at the moment. They have gone out to attend a crash at the ryndabyte.

    Is there any futtige of that?


  • #16
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    The OP hates Donegal, you know fine well they do :(


  • #17
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Fine gale blowing


  • #18
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Due to ethnic status and such using the term knackers is frowned upon.


  • #19
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Yer wan Eileen Dunne absolutely does my head in with her Go-wardee pronunciation. Is there no news editor or director to say ‘Eileen ya feckin clown, will you stop making up stupid pronunciations for simple words!’

    Also the skinny aul wan that does the weather with her ‘Eeha wha’ for Oiche Mhaith. Go and get some irish lessons ya plonker!!


  • #20
    aoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭aoh


    According to Gerry Ryan years ago (obviously!), RTE used to have a pronunciation department who taught all presenters how to (surprise) pronounce stuff. Hence the Port Laoiseeee etc. So all the old-timers still talk that way. Very few of the young ones do it.


  • #21
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,531 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'm sure they'll look into the ishhue now.
    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




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  • #22
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Also it's NOT pronounced fianna Foil... The correct pronunciation is Fianna F-A-L-L... like how one might FALL from grace, after a period of high achievement and dominance! :D

    Pat Kenny is the biggest culprit of this egregious error in pronunciation... I would quite happily slap him in the face with a big wet fresh water trout... he deserves nothing less!


  • #23
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Didn't Hall's Pictorial Weekly used to refer to them as the Fine Girl party ?


  • #24
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Also it's NOT pronounced fianna Foil... The correct pronunciation is
    Fianna Fowl
















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  • #25
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    But who's going to be the next Minister for Finn-ance after this election?


  • #26
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Also it's NOT pronounced fianna Foil... The correct pronunciation is Fianna F-A-L-L... like how one might FALL from grace, after a period of high achievement and dominance! :D

    It's not though, it's more like somewhere between the two.
    https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fuaim/f%c3%a1il
    (Ignore the Munster dialect, they're sticking a 't' in there for no good reason at all, bloody Kerry people :))


    I'd be happy if people just stopped saying Fianna Gael and Fine Fáil.


  • #27
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    But who's going to be the next Minister for Finn-ance after this election?

    Michael McGrath.


  • #28
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    What way am I supposed to be saying it?

    I feel like however i pronounce it one side will call me stupid.


  • #29
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    What way am I supposed to be saying it?

    I feel like however i pronounce it one side will call me stupid.

    They are usually the stupid ones, insisting that there can only ever be one correct pronunciation. Ignoring the fact that thousands of words have two or more standard forms. The words Issue and Finance are just two examples.


  • #30
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Fine gale blowing
    :eek:


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  • #31
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    They are usually the stupid ones, insisting that there can only ever be one correct pronunciation. Ignoring the fact that thousands of words have two or more standard forms. The words Issue and Finance are just two examples.

    Finance, the second "standard" form of which exists only on the broadcasts of RTE. You might as well argue that people saying "pacific" when they mean "specific" are using a standard form of the word


  • #32
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Finance, the second "standard" form of which exists only on the broadcasts of RTE. You might as well argue that people saying "pacific" when they mean "specific" are using a standard form of the word

    It's in the pronunciation guide in dictionaries. Some of them suggest a different pronunciation depending on whether it is being used as a noun or a transitive verb. Nothing to do with RTE. You might as well argue that every word can only ever have one pronunciation.

    finance
    Pronunciation /ˈfīnans/ /ˈfaɪnæns/ /fəˈnans/ /fəˈnæns/

    finance[ fi-nans, fahy-nans ]

    fi·nance (fə-năns′, fī-, fī′năns′)

    f naens [or] faI naens [or] faI naens


  • #33
    Boulevardier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Boulevardier


    But my point still is not whether Finne Gwail is or is not correct. It is that RTE (and other presenters) seem to think they ought to use a pronounciation that is not used in normal conversation. By doing so they are implicitly showing that their loyalties are to the corporation instead of to their fellow citizens.


  • #34
    Nigel Fairservice
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I remember Eileen Dunne always said Kosova instead of Kosovo on news reports. It became an iss-you for me.


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