Housing Crisis and Immigration?

Edgware · 15-05-2019 6:18pm

beejee wrote: »

That would be your imagination.

Where I live there is a noticeable increase in the amount of non-irish that are simply standing around the streets all day. And a few irish people upto the same lark.

No, that doesn't mean all immigrants are like that. Equally, not all irish people are like.

All anecdotes. Meanwhile, the numbers are going up and up in actual reality.

No its not my imagination. I am sick of the usual dirtbirds bleeding the system. No work record and no likelihood of it. If someone can travel a thousand miles from Eastetn Europe and get work why cant Deco in Hardwicke st get work

beejee · 15-05-2019 6:21pm

riffmongous wrote: »

There you go, again, now that is a far, far cry from dorset street is 7% Irish. Misleading and disingenuous. The OP has even admitted they misheard it but persists in pretending it's the whole street. What's my point? That if I hadn't gone to the bother of checking it I'd believe him when he's completely wrong.

I persisted?! Really now

Just as well you fact checked that insignificant thing, now millions of minds will be walking around with "undefined area of Dorset Street" versus "Dorset street".

Hallelujah.

Meanwhile, the topic is about the city. The first post has the link to the prime time program and everyone can watch it, and then decide how important the designation of Dorset Street pertains to the bigger picture and debate.

riffmongous · 15-05-2019 6:25pm

beejee wrote: »

Oh Im sorry, I'm simply re-stating what was presented in that primetime episode that I linked in the first post for all to see. Many apologies for not contacting RTE and conducting an independent investigation of my own.

Perhaps you should thank primetime instead. Or show whats wrong in the report? More information is always better.

beejee wrote: »

You confidently asserted that the numbers are wrong.

You tell me. Or get onto primetime and ask them.

beejee wrote: »

Did they not say "dorset street"?

Are you criticising me for stating what they said?

Yes the area highlighted is not the entirety of dorset street. Congratulations on the monumental victory. That's added some real "oomf" to the topic :P

beejee wrote: »

"I ate a mars bar earlier"

Response. "No! You are completely misleading, you ate 4/5ths of a mars bar!"

That was a close one alright, phew! All the important information, no stone left unturned. Changes everything.

beejee wrote: »

I persisted?! Really now

Just as well you fact checked that insignificant thing, now millions of minds will be walking around with "undefined area of Dorset Street" versus "Dorset street".

Hallelujah.

Meanwhile, the topic is about the city. The first post has the link to the prime time program and everyone can watch it, and then decide how important the designation of Dorset Street pertains to the bigger picture and debate.

There you go, maybe look up the meaning of persisted, insignificant and misleading when you are getting the difference between small and big explained to you

Samuel T. Cogley · 15-05-2019 6:26pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Thank you OP! Thanks to your misleading statistic about Dorset Street being only 7% Irish I managed to finally find a shop in Ireland that sells Balkan Cockta! I've been looking for this for years now, so fair play

TBH you'll find pretty much anything on Dorset St. if you go looking for it.

beejee · 15-05-2019 6:28pm

Edgware wrote: »

No its not my imagination. I am sick of the usual dirtbirds bleeding the system. No work record and no likelihood of it. If someone can travel a thousand miles from Eastetn Europe and get work why cant Deco in Hardwicke st get work

It is indeed your imagination if you believe that only Irish people are doing that.

I already mentioned that there is a crowd of layabouts near me and they ain't Irish.

So surely, going by your logic, they must be even WORSE than the Irish ones, because not only are they layabouts, they have travelled thousands of miles to be layabouts?

enricoh · 15-05-2019 6:36pm

riffmongous wrote: »

There you go, maybe look up the meaning of persisted, insignificant and misleading when you are getting the difference between small and big explained to you

Haha, you were thanking him n saying fair play two hours ago. Hes a bit less thankful now beegee!
Now can we get someone else in for a bitta the aul thread derailment!!

riffmongous · 15-05-2019 6:37pm

enricoh wrote: »

Haha, you were thanking him n saying fair play two hours ago. Hes a bit less thankful now beegee!
Now can we get someone else in for a bitta the aul thread derailment!!

I was thanking him for being so wrong

Yeah god forbid we correct the mistakes, can't have that now it must be derailing

Assetbacked · 15-05-2019 6:40pm

We are at pretty much full employment now in Dublin. The IDA should cease promoting Dublin and look to promote the rest of the country. Until we are getting 40,000 dwellings per month being built, growth is unsustainable in Dublin. I know a lot of medium salaried immigrants from other European countries who came here for sales/basic tech jobs and the majority have gone home or moved on, mainly because of the rental crisis.

Any talk of jobs being created now means people from abroad coming over to the country. It is time to let the growth and immigration of the past few years settle in with a focus on fixing the rental crisis, figuring out where we are going generally, what infrastructure etc is needed as a priority.

My main fix would be to tax institutionals as they pay no tax and reduce the tax dramatically which is paid by landlords in conjunction with abolishing USC in order to free up more cash for people to spread around the economy.

beejee · 15-05-2019 6:45pm

riffmongous wrote: »

There you go, maybe look up the meaning of persisted, insignificant and misleading when you are getting the difference between small and big explained to you

In not one of your quotations did I insist on something being a fact. Not once.

One was a genuine question, and the rest is criticising your insane obsession over something unbelievably insignificant.

This is plain stupidity. You're trying your best, and looking like a fool, to make a point that has no significance, no meaningful contribution and then have the gall to criticise me incorrectly about "persistence"? Hyperbolic shyte

But it is a good way to derail a thread I suppose...

Yes, the area they talk about in regards Dorset is ill-defined. Big deal.

Asinine commentary. I won't be replying to you again.

riffmongous · 15-05-2019 6:52pm

Jesus Christ you still don't even get it. Fine, I'm done

Wheeliebin30 · 15-05-2019 6:55pm

Build more houses?

Anyone a cost for these houses?

20 billion? 30 billion?

Anyone?

Patty Hearst · 15-05-2019 6:55pm

beejee wrote: »

Whats your goal here? What are you wasting time on this silly little number for? Whats your point?

The MAGNITUDE and SCALE of the problem is what Im talking about. Who cares if its 5% or 9%, 2 streets or 3 streets? Who cares if I said "dorset street" versus "the alleys of dorset street" or the "area surrounding dorset street" or "the domain of Dorset street" or "north-west-east-south dorset street"?

Nobody, because its unimportant to the issue being discussed. If that's the best you can muster in terms of arguing against the overall fact well then fair play to you.

"completely misleading" and "disingenuous". Would you ever go away out of it! :P

The poster is trying to derail your argument and in general muddy the waters and deflect from the central point. Its not simply part of the discussion or being overly pedantic...Its a Deliberate Tactic

That there's an incredible amount of Non Nationals pouring in to the country is obvious to most by now, and whats also obvious is that its clearly is having a huge effect on demand and availability of accommodation. A child could work it out.

But there's an army of posters here whos goal is to shut down that conversation by any means..to drag you off topic by picking on the slightest perceived mistake in stats or numbers.

Samuel T. Cogley · 15-05-2019 6:57pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Build more houses?

Anyone a cost for these houses?

20 billion? 30 billion?

Anyone?

Money isn't really a problem, it's we don't have the workforce. What we need is a bit immigration.

Ray Palmer · 15-05-2019 6:57pm

beejee wrote: »

Its definitely a fair point. One person for a 5 bedroom house is a bit overkill.

On the otherhand it is nice, isn't it, having that space of freedom? Wouldn't it be nice if all people had that luxury? Of course im ignoring the problems of looking after it if it becomes too much to maintain. Just speaking generally. It would be nice to raise standards of living.

So I see it as a problem, but down the list of priorities in terms of solving housing issues.

I really don't think you understand all of what I am saying. The freedom of space is a burden not something my mother nor her neighbours want. The constantly complain that it is way too much to maintain. It isn't just the houses either the gardens are too much.
As most older houses are larger and if back in family use those families get the luxury of larger houses.
I dont see how you don't see how this is not a priority. It would be quick to do, reduce congestion, better use of local amenities with no need to build more, provide extra money for pensions etc...

This is not small scale stuff but a huge amount of housing stock in Dublin. The majority of houses built from 50s up to the 80s in Dublin are under occupied. That is a huge amount of property. Even if it is only a small portion of these houses it could be easily 10% increase in the city's capacity.

riffmongous · 15-05-2019 7:09pm

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The poster is trying to derail your argument and in general muddy the waters and deflect from the central point. Its not simply part of the discussion or being overly pedantic...Its a Deliberate Tactic

That there's an incredible amount of Non Nationals pouring in to the country is obvious to most by now, and whats also obvious is that its clearly is having a huge effect on demand and availability of accommodation. A child could work it out.

But there's an army of posters here whos goal is to shut down that conversation by any means..to drag you off topic by picking on the slightest perceived mistake in stats or numbers.

You forgot to blame it all on George Soros:rolleyes:

James Brown · 15-05-2019 7:19pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Build more houses?

Anyone a cost for these houses?

20 billion? 30 billion?

Anyone?

If I may.....what's your solution?

jeremyj1968 · 15-05-2019 7:23pm

It's impossible to have a mature conversation about housing in this country. None of the people in Government positions are prepared to even acknowledge that immigration is even a contributory factor to the shortage of housing, and when you cant even recognise a problem you have no chance of solving it.

Fair enough if there are working people who are paying for their own rents. But we should not be importing people, who the Government then have to provide housing for, when there is no housing for the natives that are already here and don't have houses. It's just f**king stupid, but it's how everything gets done in this country.

Wheeliebin30 · 15-05-2019 7:24pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

If I may.....what's your solution?

To what?

James Brown · 15-05-2019 7:29pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

To what?

Housing crisis. Or are you talking about building more houses because of broadband in rural areas?

beejee · 15-05-2019 8:00pm

Has anyone else noticed a trend in "big plot" films over the last couple years?

I can think of several where the plot involves eliminating huge swathes of people to save the planet. I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but isn't that latest avengers film the same? Just from bits and pieces ive read it seems the bad guy has the same intention.

Won't be long before its a cliché

James Brown · 15-05-2019 8:25pm

beejee wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed a trend in "big plot" films over the last couple years?

I can think of several where the plot involves eliminating huge swathes of people to save the planet. I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, but isn't that latest avengers film the same? Just from bits and pieces ive read it seems the bad guy has the same intention.

Won't be long before its a cliché

You're just pulling sentences out of your arse at this stage.

Wheeliebin30 · 15-05-2019 8:29pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Housing crisis. Or are you talking about building more houses because of broadband in rural areas?

We built more houses last year than any year since 2008.

People need to relax and realise in a few years things will level out.

This asking for a multi billion social housing build will only end one way.

Ghost estates and too many houses.

beejee · 15-05-2019 8:34pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You're just pulling sentences out of your arse at this stage.

A trite observation, but more the point is that the idea of overpopulation, "too many people", is something that's entering the mainstream conscious.

Ive seen a few band-aid ideas in this thread, but nothing to assert that immigration is not the most important factor in housing problems.

Maybe the lack of challenge is due to the acceptance of the idea?

beejee · 15-05-2019 8:40pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

We built more houses last year than any year since 2008.

People need to relax and realise in a few years things will level out.

This asking for a multi billion social housing build will only end one way.

Ghost estates and too many houses.

I'm not so sure about levelling out. Going by another comment, over 60'000 people arrived into the country last year, and probably most into Dublin.

The numbers could be much worse, but that means that to simply sustain the extortionate prices of Dublin 10's of thousands of rooms would need to have been built to keep pace, not actually improve.

That's asking a lot, especially when the numbers are increasing generally over time.

Wheeliebin30 · 15-05-2019 8:42pm

beejee wrote: »

I'm not so sure about levelling out. Going by another comment, over 60'000 people arrived into the country last year, and probably most into Dublin.

The numbers could be much worse, but that means that to simply sustain the extortionate prices of Dublin 10's of thousands of rooms would need to have been built to keep pace, not actually improve.

That's asking a lot, especially when the numbers are increasing generally over time.

Building houses for anyone who says they need or want them isn’t the way.

That just creates a monster that can’t be stopped and back into bust.

spurious · 15-05-2019 8:44pm

Free prams.

beejee · 15-05-2019 8:53pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Building houses for anyone who says they need or want them isn’t the way.

That just creates a monster that can’t be stopped and back into bust.

I agree. I suppose it leaves 3 options.

One is to keep building in a race that can't be won, as you say it's a bit daft.

Two would be to continue drip feeding construction, but that equals perpetual housing crisis.

Last option is to address the root problems and tackle it all head on. REITS, empty housing, foreign mega-landlords, Irish mega landlords etc. But the main antagonist that prevents these ideas having effect is never ending people arriving.

I think people will slog along with option one and two, even though the frustration will continue to build up and up. But the slightest wobble in the economy and option three will be the only thing considered.

That frustration is going to materialise sooner or later, so the country can deal with it now while there is control, or observe it later when it's out of hand. We have a fantastic reputation for foresight here, so...

James Brown · 15-05-2019 8:58pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

We built more houses last year than any year since 2008.

People need to relax and realise in a few years things will level out.

This asking for a multi billion social housing build will only end one way.

Ghost estates and too many houses.

So steady the course and all will resolve itself. Grand so.

beejee wrote: »

A trite observation, but more the point is that the idea of overpopulation, "too many people", is something that's entering the mainstream conscious.

Ive seen a few band-aid ideas in this thread, but nothing to assert that immigration is not the most important factor in housing problems.

Maybe the lack of challenge is due to the acceptance of the idea?

You're citing the latest Avengers movie ffs...

We only need build enough that the market cools. Not everyone can afford a house, however the numbers who can are dwindling and government policy is helping that along.

Samuel T. Cogley · 15-05-2019 9:04pm

It's about time we started shipping people that don't and won't work out of Dublin as well as ending this ridiculous forever home nonsense. I'd rather live next door to a working immigrant than a dosser Irish person any day.

beejee · 15-05-2019 9:08pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So steady the course and all will resolve itself. Grand so.

You're citing the latest Avengers movie ffs...

We only need build enough that the market cools. Not everyone can afford a house, however the numbers who can are dwindling and government policy is helping that along.

I wasn't citing that avengers film. I was pointing to a trend in film plots.

Your incorrect post got me to look though. Here's an article pulled off google

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2018/may/15/infinity-war-okja-overpopulation-cinema-ready-player-one-downsizing

"crisis du jour" as they put it.

Mainstream consciousness was my point. I think you may be suffering from "bitch eating crackers syndrome"

And this market is going to "cool off" the way the economy had a "soft landing"

imme · 15-05-2019 9:16pm

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

There's a lovely Brazillian lady in work who cleans our toilets. Her English is improving every day.

My boss is Puerto Rican.

I was just handed my lunch by the canteen chef who likes to practice Irish phrases on everybody who visits the canteen. His daughter started learning Irish in school, so he's learning it to help her with homework. He's from Cameroon.

I'd rather have these 3 people as neighbours than Deco, Jacinta and their ever growing brood of ill behaved, future criminal children.

If we're dividing up the population based on arbitrary categories like whether or not they are scumbags, or whether they were born in a different country before deciding if they should be our neighbour, then I'm all for it!

Do you play tennis OP? I think anybody who plays tennis should be evicted, made homeless and kicked out of the country.

Am I doing this right?

Ahhh, isn't that nice, cute story.

Did the woman who cleans your toilet come to Ireland to clean toilets.
If she came as a student she will never back to Brazil.

Why are we in Ireland so keen on importing poor people from south America.

I can't understand it.

Where will they live, in shared dormitory style squeezed 5 and 6 to a room. What utter nonsense.

We are feckless in Ireland, that's for sure.

Stephen15 · 15-05-2019 9:35pm

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The housing crisis is caused by lack of construction. If we are ever going to get serious about fixing that, one thing we will need is for immigrant labour to come here and help build homes.

And where will that labour come from? The majority of labour we have had to work in the construction industry has been from Poland and Eastern Europe. With the Polish and Eastern European economy growing more and more people from there are deciding to stay at home.

See the problem the majority of immigration now is coming from outside the EU mostly third world countries. I have yet to hear of any large numbers of immigrants from Asia or Africa working in construction they don't have the skills or the work ethic to work in these sectors. The fact is many are playing the system looking for as much gratis as they can come by.

According to the documentary 25% of people on the DCC housing are non national deport or make that 25% ineligible and you can cut the housing list significantly. This is Ireland the Irish come first.

Odhinn · 15-05-2019 9:37pm

spurious wrote: »

Free prams.

Free cars for bein black.

Wheeliebin30 · 15-05-2019 10:08pm

Anyone see the two “homeless mothers” on tv3 news there?

One has 5 kids and the government won’t give her a house big enough.

Aghhhhhhhh someone make it stop.

theguzman · 15-05-2019 10:11pm

I think the Brazilians are lovely a much better type of human than the local pondlife currently inhabiting inner city Dublin.

beejee · 15-05-2019 10:30pm

theguzman wrote: »

I think the Brazilians are lovely a much better type of human than the local pondlife currently inhabiting inner city Dublin.

I think theyre gorgeous, lovely, amazing. Except for the ones that committed murder there a while back, but you know, besides them, 100% of all brazilialn people cant be put on too high a pedestal.

Oh and there are the ones running all those rickshaws selling drugs out the back of them, anyone about town at night will know what im talking about. But besides them, 100% of them are great.

Just counter-balancing hyperbole!

This idea of comparing an entire race of people from abroad as perfect against the lowest shyte in our own society is played out. Its old and stupid at this point.

"I'd rather live beside hardworking, lovely martians than horrible irish people"....startling! But whats that got to do with anything though, really? Its not like youre going to identify great people from abroad and be able to swap them with terrible people from here.

Youre still going to have the same people here you don't like, plus rolling the dice on who else arrives in. Its not an "either" situation, its an "in addition" situation, and that IS relevant to housing problems.

weldoninhio · 15-05-2019 10:31pm

theguzman wrote: »

I think the Brazilians are lovely a much better type of human than the local pondlife currently inhabiting inner city Dublin.

You’ve met all 208.5 million Brazilians??

theguzman · 15-05-2019 10:37pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’ve met all 208.5 million Brazilians??

A Brazilian of them.

bodhrandude · 16-05-2019 1:21am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

It's about time we started shipping people that don't and won't work out of Dublin as well as ending this ridiculous forever home nonsense. I'd rather live next door to a working immigrant than a dosser Irish person any day.

Or how forcing businesses and corporations to start training people with no work experience at entry level jobs, otherwise how in the name of god can they get work experience in first place.

Bobblehats · 16-05-2019 3:26am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

It's about time we started shipping people that don't and won't work out of Dublin as well as ending this ridiculous forever home nonsense. I'd rather live next door to a working immigrant than a dosser Irish person any day.

How about living next door to several non working immigrants instead then.

Sheep breeder · 16-05-2019 6:37am

On Monday and Tuesday were spent travelling around the midlands and the one thing that caught the eye was the amount of closed up houses and shops that could be used for housing people if done up and rented out. There is plenty of properties not being used and if a scheme to regenerate was introduced would create work and help provide accommodation.
The media have created the housing crisis mantra for Dublin, but this is only one place in Ireland where housing is required throughout the country. The rest of the country has a housing problem and needs some action to take place, all the towns we traveled through had people working in them who need housing also.
At the moment in Ireland there is two types of people, the ones who work and the ones who want entitlement. As for immigrants who work fair play to them and in Ireland we have short memories about people travelling to work in other countries. What are our brothers and sisters in Australia, America, uk working called only Irish immigrants.

Wanderer78 · 16-05-2019 7:03am

Sheep breeder wrote:

On Monday and Tuesday were spent travelling around the midlands and the one thing that caught the eye was the amount of closed up houses and shops that could be used for housing people if done up and rented out. There is plenty of properties not being used and if a scheme to regenerate was introduced would create work and help provide accommodation. The media have created the housing crisis mantra for Dublin, but this is only one place in Ireland where housing is required throughout the country. The rest of the country has a housing problem and needs some action to take place, all the towns we traveled through had people working in them who need housing also. At the moment in Ireland there is two types of people, the ones who work and the ones who want entitlement. As for immigrants who work fair play to them and in Ireland we have short memories about people travelling to work in other countries. What are our brothers and sisters in Australia, America, uk working called only Irish immigrants.

So all the research that has been occurring about housing is bull****?

ifElseThen · 16-05-2019 9:34am

Gov need to incentivise desk/office jobs to transition to remote jobs, even on a part/time basis.
I'd move further out of Dublin if I only had to come into the office 2 days a week.

This would then benefit rural towns. Of course they'd want to remove those "Local Needs Apply" rules they have in place around the country when it comes to housing etc.

wyf437gn6btzue · 16-05-2019 9:54am

Edgware wrote: »

But Miguel Ivanka etc will follow the traditional immigrant path and try to improve their circumstances and maybe even buy a house.
Deco will continue to bleed the system and Jacinta will be happy as long as she has a house "near me Ma and me sisters"

There was 24 social houses built down the end of my row, 20 of them are foreign national families who like deco and Jacinta would sleep on the floor if work was in the bed.

I don`t think the contributors are the problem

DelaneyIn · 16-05-2019 11:50am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Have you tried hiring a chef lately? Restaurants in Galway have restored to offering accommodation as part of the package.

Have they tried sprucing up their employment offers with higher wages?

Edgware · 16-05-2019 12:14pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

We are at pretty much full employment now in Dublin. The IDA should cease promoting Dublin and look to promote the rest of the country. Until we are getting 40,000 dwellings per month being built, growth is unsustainable in Dublin. I know a lot of medium salaried immigrants from other European countries who came here for sales/basic tech jobs and the majority have gone home or moved on, mainly because of the rental crisis.

Any talk of jobs being created now means people from abroad coming over to the country. It is time to let the growth and immigration of the past few years settle in with a focus on fixing the rental crisis, figuring out where we are going generally, what infrastructure etc is needed as a priority.

My main fix would be to tax institutionals as they pay no tax and reduce the tax dramatically which is paid by landlords in conjunction with abolishing USC in order to free up more cash for people to spread around the economy.

The IDA do try and promote outside Dublin but multi nationals want basic infrastructure such as airports and motorways. Cork and Limerick have some chance but Donegal Mayo etc are not in the running.

Samuel T. Cogley · 16-05-2019 2:10pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

Or how forcing businesses and corporations to start training people with no work experience at entry level jobs, otherwise how in the name of god can they get work experience in first place.

Volunteer like the rest of us did or start at the bottom rung in retail/food service like the rest of us did. Besides if you're motivated enough to find a job you will, I was referring to the wasters that aren't even looking.

Wanderer78 · 16-05-2019 2:32pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote:

Volunteer like the rest of us did or start at the bottom rung in retail/food service like the rest of us did. Besides if you're motivated enough to find a job you will, I was referring to the wasters that aren't even looking.

Should all volunteers be paid, I think so?

I do believe those that say, as inequality rises, so to does social mobility, many get stuck in low paid jobs for long periods of time, some indefinitely.

Why aren't these 'wasters' looking?

Samuel T. Cogley · 16-05-2019 2:56pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Should all volunteers be paid, I think so?

They're not volunteers then are they?

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why aren't these 'wasters' looking?

Because they're wasters, probably second or third generation and benefits are too good if you plop out some crotch goblins.

Cordell · 16-05-2019 3:03pm

beejee wrote: »

So the problem can be identified, but don't worry about it and continue being unhappy?

No, absolutely not.
While do I agree that the level of immigration is probably too high, and Ireland needs to do more about filtering them especially when it comes to welfare and benefits, I also believe that immigration is not a cause in itself. Lack of planning and lack of supply is the main cause, and also LL taking houses off the rental market because of adverse rules and regulations is a huge part of the problem.
Having any level of social housing in areas where the demand greatly outweighs the supply is another cause.

beejee wrote: »

And people wonder how bad situations get worse and worse. In my opinion either something will be done to rectify this disastrous course, or else it will naturally explode in a much more uncontrollable and violent way. Pick your poison.

Absolutely, nothing should be shielded from debate.

beejee wrote: »

No one is really trapped, of course, they can always live in the underwater cities dotted around Irelands coastline and get all those aqua farming jobs :P

Where there is an abundance of jobs there will be an abundance of people doing those jobs hence expensive housing. This is how it works, you can't have it both ways.

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