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  • 24-09-2011 6:55pm
    #1
    murphyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭


    hi everyone, this is my first post so i hope i get it right.why is everything recorded on saorview have a .tsv extension? anyway to change the file
    extension so it would play on windows media player?


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    #2
    steveon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    I think vlc media player which is free will play tsv files

    http://www.videolan.org/


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    #3
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    A tab-separated values file is a simple text format for a database table....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab-separated_values


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    #4
    hoff1
    Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭hoff1


    I recorded a program on my hard drive through a triax tr112 set top box and I cant play the file on my laptop. Any help?


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    #5
    pat.folan
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭pat.folan


    Use Handbrake to convert the file to MP4 or some other format your laptop can handle.


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    #6
    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    Has anybody managed to play a .TSV file from a Triax,Tower or Xoro "Saorview" box.I,ve tried Handbrake and many other programs with no success.


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    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Record 1 minute of it and upload it here or on a mediafire type site and I'll have a look at it.

    I have never heard of this format.

    I presume you tried renaming it to .TS and playing it with VLC.

    Also, check the record menu to see if it allows for different formats of recording to be chosen.


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    steveon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    As already said VLC player will play them get it here

    http://www.videolan.org/index.html


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    pat.folan
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭pat.folan


    gally wrote: »
    Has anybody managed to play a .TSV file from a Triax,Tower or Xoro "Saorview" box.I,ve tried Handbrake and many other programs with no success.

    Yes, I used handbrake to convert a .tsv created on a Triax Saorview box. I think I may have had to manually change the .tsv extension to .ts for it to work. It was a while ago so I am not 100% sure.

    I had tried using the VLC player to no avail. Handbrake was the solution in my case.


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    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    VLC wo,nt play them .Renamed them TS etc.I,ve uploaded a file here:http://www.mediafire.com/?m3zibs70wi7ogtr
    Maybe someone would have a look at it please?I believe an earlier version of the software in the box allowed these files to be seen on a pc.The TRIAX,XORO and Tower use the same software I,m led to believe.My box which works very well apart from the above problem is a Tower TR HD1700.It would be nice to be able to burn the odd programme to DVD.
    Heres hoping some computer whiz can help out.Tried Gomplayer also.

    Thanks.


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    JonathonS
    Registered Users Posts: 702 ✭✭✭JonathonS


    murphyman wrote: »
    hi everyone, this is my first post so i hope i get it right.

    It helps when the title of a post contains as much detail as possible. That way you don't waste time opening threads that are of no interest.

    Something like "How to play Saorview .tsv files"

    Good luck on boards:)


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    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    gally wrote: »
    VLC wo,nt play them .Renamed them TS etc.I,ve uploaded a file here:http://www.mediafire.com/?m3zibs70wi7ogtr
    Maybe someone would have a look at it please?I believe an earlier version of the software in the box allowed these files to be seen on a pc.The TRIAX,XORO and Tower use the same software I,m led to believe.My box which works very well apart from the above problem is a Tower TR HD1700.It would be nice to be able to burn the odd programme to DVD.
    Heres hoping some computer whiz can help out.Tried Gomplayer also.

    Thanks.

    The error I get is
    [h264 @ 0x9e424c0] non-existing PPS referenced
[h264 @ 0x9e424c0] non-existing PPS 0 referenced
[h264 @ 0x9e424c0] decode_slice_header error
[h264 @ 0x9e424c0] no frame!

    The problem, as I understand it, is that (in the case of streaming) if sps/pps is lost no decoder can decode the H264 video, hence I'm getting the error "non-existing PPS referenced".

    Otherwise the file info is ...
    General
ID                                       : 1001 (0x3E9)
Complete name                      :RTÉ One-Irish Open Golf(20120628_162504).
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 16.3 MiB
Duration                                 : 52s 940ms
Overall bit rate                         : 2 583 Kbps

Video
ID                                       : 1101 (0x44D)
Menu ID                                  : 1101 (0x44D)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L3.0
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 52s 940ms
Bit rate                                 : 2 261 Kbps
Stream size                              : 14.3 MiB (88%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1201 (0x4B1)
Menu ID                                  : 1101 (0x44D)
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Codec ID                                 : 3
Duration                                 : 52s 920ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -1s 363ms
Stream size                              : 1.21 MiB (7%)
Language                                 : English

Text #1
ID                                       : 1301 (0x515)-100
Menu ID                                  : 1101 (0x44D)
Format                                   : Teletext
Language                                 : English

Text #2
ID                                       : 1301 (0x515)-888
Menu ID                                  : 1101 (0x44D)
Format                                   : Teletext Subtitle
Language                                 : English

Menu
ID                                       : 1901 (0x76D)
Menu ID                                  : 1101 (0x44D)
List                                     : 1101 (0x44D) (AVC) / 1201 (0x4B1) (MPEG Audio, English) / 1301 (0x515) ()
Language                                 :  / English

    Not sure where to go from there ......

    Is there an 'index' file stored with the video file? It might be *possible* to use it in conjunction with the video to re-introduce the lost info.


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    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    see this thread....multiple ones open

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056685255


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    #14
    Johnboy1951
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    Seems to be the same answer on both ...... the fault is with the saving of the file.

    But, if the Triax/XORO/Tower can play the files then surely it must be possible to arrange other software to play them also?


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    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Seems to be the same answer on both ...... the fault is with the saving of the file.

    But, if the Triax/XORO/Tower can play the files then surely it must be possible to arrange other software to play them also?

    My response in the other thread goes into more detail.

    The PCR PID is missing because the receiver has filtered out the PCR.

    No software that I know including stream fixing can rebuild a PCR that doesnt exist.

    This is a glitch in the firmware of the box(es). It existed on Technisat boxes in the past.

    The problem with the Tower is tracking down the OEM and getting them to fix it. In any event people are talking at cross purposes here. Triax software and Tower and Xoro might not be the same. Even if it were then it might be fixed on one but not the other. And again assuming they are the same software, they are probably not interchangable as most software has hardware IDs built in to protect from cloning/interchanging the software.


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    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    STB wrote: »
    My response in the other thread goes into more detail.

    The PCR PID is missing because the receiver has filtered out the PCR.

    No software that I know including stream fixing can rebuild a PCR that doesnt exist.

    I know of none either ..... but that was not my point.
    This is a glitch in the firmware of the box(es). It existed on Technisat boxes in the past.

    Maybe a glitch ...... maybe deliberate ..... the result is the same.
    It is not uncommon for parties to encrypt or otherwise make such files unusable on other devices.

    The problem with the Tower is tracking down the OEM and getting them to fix it. In any event people are talking at cross purposes here. Triax software and Tower and Xoro might not be the same. Even if it were then it might be fixed on one but not the other. And again assuming they are the same software, they are probably not interchangable as most software has hardware IDs built in to protect from cloning/interchanging the software.

    If the needed info is removed, then how does the STB itself play the file after it has been recorded?
    The info must somehow be reinserted?

    My thought was that if it can be done in the STB then surely it could be done outside of the STB, and allow the file to be played.


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    hershmab
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭hershmab


    STB wrote: »
    ....My response in the other thread goes into more detail.

    The PCR PID is missing because the receiver has filtered out the PCR.

    No software that I know including stream fixing can rebuild a PCR that doesnt exist.
    I have just had the same problem with recordings made on a Triax TR112.

    But I found that AVSConverter from http://www.avs4you.com/AVS-Video-Converter.aspx will convert the .TSV files to virtually any video format without any questions or problems.

    It is not freeware but the price of US$59 for that program and 17 other related tools seems well worth paying


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    #18
    hershmab
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭hershmab


    The Triax TR112 produces recordings of radio shows in .TSA format. There is an AVS4You Audio Converter that recognizes this format and will convert it into any other common audio format of your choice.

    That program is another of the 18 programs included in the AVS4You package that I quoted in my previous post - at no extra cost!

    That solves all my Saorview problems so far. I hope it does the same for the rest of the contributors.


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    #19
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    http://www.xmedia-recode.de/download.html

    Xmedia recode is far more versatile and FREE :)


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    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    I,m afraid having tried both programs above, TSV files are not visible!I then select "all files" click "Recode now". and get the message "no video files found" .Cant remember exact message.I must check with the supplier but I think he said Triax firmware updates will work with my Tower box.In case I,m doing something stupid are there any special settings in either program that might get me out of this hole.
    Thanks again fellas.


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    #21
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    gally wrote: »
    I,m afraid having tried both programs above, TSV files are not visible!I then select "all files" click "Recode now". and get the message "no video files found" .Cant remember exact message.I must check with the supplier but I think he said Triax firmware updates will work with my Tower box.In case I,m doing something stupid are there any special settings in either program that might get me out of this hole.
    Thanks again fellas.

    According to this a TSV file is a text/database file

    http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/tsv

    Many boxes use a TRP or TS file.


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    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    This is a short file I uploaded previously.Would you try to recode it please.
    http://www.mediafire.com/?m3zibs70wi7ogtr


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    hershmab
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭hershmab


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    http://www.xmedia-recode.de/download.html

    Xmedia recode is far more versatile and FREE :)
    I have just tried Xmedia-recode and immediately met two insurmountable problems:
    1. It does not recognize TSV or TSA as valid extensions and so will not open Saorview files at all - not even if they are dragged into its open window.
    2. The only Help available for it is in German and it makes no provision for other languages


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    #24
    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    Any luck with AVSConverter?


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    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Neither AVSConverter nor Xmedia-recode would recognise the file here.

    AVSConverter tried but found no video in it.


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    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    gally wrote: »
    This is a short file I uploaded previously.Would you try to recode it please.
    http://www.mediafire.com/?m3zibs70wi7ogtr

    According to TSDoctor the PCR is missing. This means it can only be replayed on it's original machine. See STB's posting number 15 above.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79494346&postcount=15


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    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    I wonder Hershmab why AVS worked for you with the Triax .TSV file. Is the Tower TSV file different?I think early firmware on the Triax allowed PC compatibility.By the way my firmware appears to be for New Zealand so the plot thickens!
    P.S NZ has the same system as Saorview apparently.


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    hershmab
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭hershmab


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Neither AVSConverter nor Xmedia-recode would recognise the file here.

    AVSConverter tried but found no video in it.

    Johnboy1951, Can you provide me with a (short and suitably innocuous) example of your own TSV files that I can process on my Windows 7 PC? There should at least be some clues to the differences between my Triax files and your own versions.

    To preserve the exact contents of a file, I suggest you add a .TXT extension to the original filename.


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    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    hershmab wrote: »
    Johnboy1951, Can you provide me with a (short and suitably innocuous) example of your own TSV files that I can process on my Windows 7 PC? There should at least be some clues to the differences between my Triax files and your own versions.

    To preserve the exact contents of a file, I suggest you add a .TXT extension to the original filename.

    Unfortunately not :(

    I use an Ariva STB which does not mess with the files.
    It records the stream as broadcast.
    I also record on the PC from a USB dongle.
    So I don't have your problem, but many do, and I was interested why.

    The tests I did were on a few files I downloaded ..... including a bunch from NZ.

    All had the same problem, and I found only one claim that some software did manage those files, but when I checked the blurb from the seller there was no mention of TSV files.

    As of now, I have found nothing that will deal with the files ..... I suspect what is needed is for someone to dig into what those boxes are doing, and more particularly how they reverse it for playback, so it can be duplicated outside the box.


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    #30
    fisk166
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭fisk166


    hi
    i recently purchased Tower TR HD1700 but found i could not convert .tsv files to any other format or play them in pc. I needed another box & got the same one except it is called Tower TR HD1700+ this now allows me to record from pvr and i can convert files to dvd using convertx if i change extension from .tsv to .ts (obviously there has been a firmware upgrade. fortunately the 1st box i purchased was only a week ago so the seller agreed for me to switch to the newer version. so now i have 2 Tower TR HD1700+

    hope this helps


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    gally
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭gally


    fisk166 wrote: »
    hi
    i recently purchased Tower TR HD1700 but found i could not convert .tsv files to any other format or play them in pc. I needed another box & got the same one except it is called Tower TR HD1700+ this now allows me to record from pvr and i can convert files to dvd using convertx if i change extension from .tsv to .ts (obviously there has been a firmware upgrade. fortunately the 1st box i purchased was only a week ago so the seller agreed for me to switch to the newer version. so now i have 2 Tower TR HD1700+

    hope this helps
    This helps a lot.I wonder if there's a firmware upgrade to apply to the hd1700 which will solve my problems ?Or do you have a site which has the firmware?thanks for your input.
    Gally


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