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eircom - NAT Type MEGATHREAD! How to make it NAT 2 or 1?

  • 06-07-2008 11:56am
    #1
    Enda89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭


    Hi,

    Cutting a long story short... I changed from Perlico to Eircom recently and hooked up the Eircom router last weekend. Since then playing online has become somewhat of a nightmare. Getting into games takes ages and I rarely stay in them for more than a few minutes.

    I found the problem there this morning, in the PS3 connection status menu it lists my NAT Type as Type 3 where it was Type 2 before.

    How do I configure my new router to get it to type 2 NAT? It's a silver netopia one:

    eircom_netopia.jpg

    Appreciate the help.

    P.S. I've tried setting the routers firewall to Low or else Off completly and this made no change
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  • #2
    Plascebo
    Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Plascebo


    Enda89, try the link below. I am using the eircom netopia and had my heart broken trying to open ports, get a static ip etc. I followed the instructions on the video and got everything working online and even got NAT1

    It didn't work first time, kept getting username/password errors but I just kept repeating it over and over and eventually got it. It is worth a try!


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055268262


  • #3
    Enda89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Enda89


    EDIT: never mind I just pasted the topic no. in

    watched the youtube vid and.... it worked!!!

    cheers, that chap in the video is a legend. I was getting a headache with port forwarding, this chap just does it in 2 mins lol, brill!


  • #4
    hoekie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭hoekie


    Enda89 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Cutting a long story short... I changed from Perlico to Eircom recently and hooked up the Eircom router last weekend. Since then playing online has become somewhat of a nightmare. Getting into games takes ages and I rarely stay in them for more than a few minutes.

    I found the problem there this morning, in the PS3 connection status menu it lists my NAT Type as Type 3 where it was Type 2 before.

    How do I configure my new router to get it to type 2 NAT? It's a silver netopia one:

    eircom_netopia.jpg

    Appreciate the help.

    P.S. I've tried setting the routers firewall to Low or else Off completly and this made no change
    easy to do everyone to change you can even get a nat type 1 with this setting! set up a network connecttion wired or wireless on custom go to the PPPoe and it asks for a user name and password for eircom its broadband 1 and the password is the same broadband 1 and away you go nat type 1!


  • #5
    Stuxnet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    hoekie wrote: »
    easy to do everyone to change you can even get a nat type 1 with this setting! set up a network connecttion wired or wireless on custom go to the PPPoe and it asks for a user name and password for eircom its broadband 1 and the password is the same broadband 1 and away you go nat type 1!
    it does go back to nat2/3 tho after a while, dont know why, mines does anyway, usually 3


  • #6
    hoekie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭hoekie


    BOBBY wrote: »
    it does go back to nat2/3 tho after a while, dont know why, mines does anyway, usually 3
    there is another way of getting nat type 2 but you must log into your router
    http://192.168.1.254/ and it shows the main ip address that the router uses which is different from your ps3 ip change that to the ps3 ip and it should get you a nat 2 also unp is enabled! ive done this for my brother on perlico though it may differ for eircom! so check out on you tube on how to change from nat3 to nat2! hope i was some help let me know how you get on!


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  • #7
    jayoomufc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭jayoomufc


    anyone no password for perlico to get nat type?


  • #8
    hoekie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭hoekie


    Enda89 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Cutting a long story short... I changed from Perlico to Eircom recently and hooked up the Eircom router last weekend. Since then playing online has become somewhat of a nightmare. Getting into games takes ages and I rarely stay in them for more than a few minutes.

    I found the problem there this morning, in the PS3 connection status menu it lists my NAT Type as Type 3 where it was Type 2 before.

    How do I configure my new router to get it to type 2 NAT? It's a silver netopia one:

    eircom_netopia.jpg

    Appreciate the help.

    P.S. I've tried setting the routers firewall to Low or else Off completly and this made no change

    VERY EASY WITH EIRCOM ALL YOU DO IS GO TO YOUR INTERNEYT CONNECTION SETTINGS AND AND WHEN YOUR SETTING UP YOUR CONNECTION GOTO PPPOE AND USE THE USERNAME EIRCOM@EIRCOM.NET
    AND THE PASSWORD IS BROADBAND1 AND YOU GET A NAT TYPE 1 EVEN BETTER THAN TYPE 2 HIT ME BACK IF YOUV'E ANY PROBLEMS


  • #9
    Liam2590
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Liam2590


    hoekie wrote: »
    VERY EASY WITH EIRCOM ALL YOU DO IS GO TO YOUR INTERNEYT CONNECTION SETTINGS AND AND WHEN YOUR SETTING UP YOUR CONNECTION GOTO PPPOE AND USE THE USERNAME EIRCOM@EIRCOM.NET
    AND THE PASSWORD IS BROADBAND1 AND YOU GET A NAT TYPE 1 EVEN BETTER THAN TYPE 2 HIT ME BACK IF YOUV'E ANY PROBLEMS

    Everytime I enter these settings it just says 'the attempt to obtain an ip address timed out'. Can anybody help me?


  • #10
    knuth
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭knuth


    Make sure your wifi password is correct IF you are connecting via wireless.


  • #11
    jayoomufc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭jayoomufc


    im stuck ineed the PPPoE username n passwordfor perlico has anyone got any idea what it is..


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  • #12
    Mmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Mmcd


    Same happens for me
    Does eircom have any other password/username combos?


  • #13
    Jarrath
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Jarrath


    Why is it when I test my PSP connection setting I get NAT 2 but when I test my PS3 connection I get NAT 3?

    All settings are set to automatic... Anyone else noticed this??


  • #14
    finno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭finno


    hoekie wrote: »
    VERY EASY WITH EIRCOM ALL YOU DO IS GO TO YOUR INTERNEYT CONNECTION SETTINGS AND AND WHEN YOUR SETTING UP YOUR CONNECTION GOTO PPPOE AND USE THE USERNAME EIRCOM@EIRCOM.NET
    AND THE PASSWORD IS BROADBAND1 AND YOU GET A NAT TYPE 1 EVEN BETTER THAN TYPE 2 HIT ME BACK IF YOUV'E ANY PROBLEMS

    I done this and got nat type 1 thanks mate


  • #15
    sean11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭sean11


    Liam2590 wrote: »
    Everytime I enter these settings it just says 'the attempt to obtain an ip address timed out'. Can anybody help me?
    I have the very same problem. I cant play matches on FIFA 09 online. This whole NAT TYPE thing is driving me mad!! I've tried all the eircom passwords etc. the Keep it Carlow Video, ports opened and still no joy. All other game I can play fine. And why is it that I can play matches the odd time??!!


  • #16
    jayoomufc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭jayoomufc


    what is the PPPoE for perlico


  • #17
    k1nk33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭k1nk33


    Pretty simple lads , set up ps3 using custom settings and after entering your security key pick pppoe for ip settings. Username is eircom@eircom.net and password is broadband1. choose manual dns settings and enter this , Primary dns 213.94.190.236 Secondry dns 213.94.190,194. Next change mtu settings to 1492 and go test your connection. Thats it! If it doesn't work first time don't worry just keep trying and sooner or later you'll be giving a nat type 1. Sometimes i get a connection error when i turn on my ps3 but after a couple of seconds it goes back to normal.


  • #18
    k1nk33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭k1nk33


    As for perlicos username and password you'll have to vist your routers homepage. Open a command promt( google if you don't know how) and type in ipconfig. Find the default gateway ip address and copy it. Open your internet browser and paste the ip into the header bar at the top (where it says http etc). The username and password should be listed in here somewhere.


  • #19
    Mmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Mmcd


    Thanks kink but it still wont work for me whatever combination I use and ive tryed an awful lot. May ring eircom up I suppose as they arent answering my emails!


  • #20
    Batesy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Batesy


    Can you not stream music/video to the ps3 with NAT1 ??


  • #21
    k1nk33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭k1nk33


    EIrcom broadband user's can also use their phone number as their username e.g. 046-xxxxxxxxx or 01-xxxxxxxxx ,and your password is your eircom account number.


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  • #22
    Mmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Mmcd


    Phone and account number doesnt work for me either :(


  • #23
    qc3
    Registered Users Posts: 844 ✭✭✭qc3


    this link should help you if you are an eircom customer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JugGe7CCuNU
    good luck


  • #24
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Batesy wrote: »
    Can you not stream music/video to the ps3 with NAT1 ??

    No. NAT1 is outside your firewall and outside your network. Hense, the IP address has a public IP address like 159.xx.xx.xx. and not 192.168.xx.xx. The PS3 cannot see anything on your home network.

    NAT2 is inside the your network, firewalled but all the necessary ports are open to the PS3 home network. This is the best of both worlds as you can stream from your PC to your PS3 and online gaming works fine.

    NAT3 is inside your network, firewalled but ports are not open. You can stream from PC to PS3 but online gaming is a pain is the ass.

    All eircom users with netopia routers must do the PPOE method of conneciton to get NAT1. You cannot get NAT2 on netopia routers.


  • #25
    markious
    Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭markious


    Damien360 wrote: »

    All eircom users with netopia routers must do the PPOE method of conneciton to get NAT1. You cannot get NAT2 on netopia routers.


    Im pretty sure you can get a NAT2 on the netopia routers, ive seen it done


  • #26
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    markious wrote: »
    Im pretty sure you can get a NAT2 on the netopia routers, ive seen it done

    Have you a link to how its done?


  • #27
    Jarrath
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Jarrath


    I can get NAT2 with my psp but no success on the PS3.. Buggs the hell outta me...

    Just have to settle for NAT 1 with the PS3...


  • #28
    ignite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭ignite


    Hi lads can't use PPPoE using eircom@eircom.net with broadband1 I'm afraid. Any ideas? Anyone else have same trouble? Downloadin on NAT3 is dire...


  • #29
    Mmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Mmcd


    ignite wrote: »
    Hi lads can't use PPPoE using eircom@eircom.net with broadband1 I'm afraid. Any ideas? Anyone else have same trouble? Downloadin on NAT3 is dire...
    I have had same problem but havent noticed download speeds differing because of it. Havent a solution though sorry!


  • #30
    Dord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    If you get a better router then you won't have these problems. Get one that has a DMZ (de-militarized zone) and put your PS3 in that. No messin' around.

    I did that with mine and ditched the Netopia router that Eircon gave me.


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  • #31
    PaddyBomb
    Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭PaddyBomb


    I can get nat type 2 on netopia, just put d routers firewall on low :-)! So nat type 2, in a way is better than nat type 1?


  • #32
    Dord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    PaddyBomb wrote: »
    I can get nat type 2 on netopia, just put d routers firewall on low :-)! So nat type 2, in a way is better than nat type 1?

    Right, but I found that to be hit or miss. Along with this it means that the other computers on your network are less protected.


  • #33
    Stuxnet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    ignite wrote: »
    Hi lads can't use PPPoE using eircom@eircom.net with broadband1 I'm afraid. Any ideas? Anyone else have same trouble? Downloadin on NAT3 is dire...
    of course you can, what makes your eircom router different from the rest, go to router webpage, RESET it from there in expert mode, and go through pppoe rigmarole on ps3, you will have nat 1
    works every time for me, if you get connection error in test, hold out 30 seconds, dont press anything it will connect itself


  • #34
    Benzino
    Registered Users Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Benzino


    just got eircom broadband today and i have the same problems. Tried all of the above, but no cigar


  • #35
    weldon855
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭weldon855


    i have netopia 2247-02 with nat2 on my ps3 . just opened ports 80-65535 udp/tcp for my ps3s ip address no problems. got fed up searching for what ports where needed so i just opened well nearly all of dem. firewall sill set to medium although if u have a good antivirus your pc is still protected if its off anyways. tried the ppoe for ages and it has never worked for me. if u have the other 2247 router with the latest firmware creatin the custom service to open all dem ports can prove more difficult because it wont let you overlap with the premade services thats already there.


  • #36
    Prisoner6409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭Prisoner6409


    While Nat Type 1 is cool for online gaming the problem is you cannot use the PS3 as a media streamer while configured as Nat Type 1. I have the Eircom Netopia 2247 NWG-Eir and cannot get the PS3 into Nat Type 2, it's either 3 or 1 with this router. Is this down to this particular router or is it possible to get Nat Type 2 with the 2247 nwg-eir router.


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  • #37
    Gallo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭Gallo


    I have the newest one the motorola netopia 2247-62.. does any know how to change the nat number from 3 to 1-2??????


  • #38
    vanman99
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭vanman99


    Hi,

    Noticed a flaw in the above which might help a few of you out.

    The PPPoE username is not Eircom@eircom.net, it's simply eircom.
    So username = eircom
    And password = broadband1.

    This works for me without any problems. Also, if you have the new Netopia router from eircom (with the WPA key) if you go into the advanced settings in the router home page (192.168.1.254) and if you select the NAT setting in there, they've added the Playstation Network for you, you should activate that.

    I had Eircom for two years on the old router, changed to Perlico for a few months, the Username and password are set for each customer so if you are a perlico user then phone perlico and they will gladly give you the detail over the phone. I've switched back to eircom two months ago and they gave me the username and password.

    Hope this helps someone.

    Vanman99


  • #39
    vanman99
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭vanman99


    Here's a handy guide to setting up the Netopia 2247NWG.


    This link will get you to the same info, if you have a different router it will give full instructions of how to get from Nat 3 to Nat 2.

    http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Netopia/2247NWG-VGx/PS3_NAT_Type_3_to_2.htm
    Port Forwarding for the Netopia 2247NWG-VGx



    To setup port forwarding on this router your computer needs to have a static ip address. Take a look at our Static IP Address guide to setup a static ip address. When you are finished setting up a static ip address, please come back to this page and enter the ip address you setup in the Static IP Address box below.


    2247NWG-VGx0.jpg

    Open a web browser like internet explorer or Netscape. Enter the ip address of your router in the address bar of your browser. In the picture above the address bar has http://www.google.com in it. Just replace all of that with the ip address of your router. By default the ip address should be set to 192.168.1.1. (for eircom it is 192.168.1.254)

    2247NWG-VGx1.jpg

    You should see a box prompting you for your username and password. Enter your username and password now. By default the username is admin, and the password is 1234. Click the Ok button to log in to your router.

    2247NWG-VGx2.jpg

    Click the Expert Mode link near the left side of the page.

    2247NWG-VGx3.jpg

    Click the Yes, enter expert mode button near the center of the page.
    The menu on the left should change. In this new menu, click Configure.
    You should now see a new menu. In this new menu, click NAT.

    2247NWG-VGx4.jpg

    Click the Define Custom Service button near the center of the page.

    2247NWG-VGx5.jpg

    Put a dot into the Port Forwarding: Range of Ports radio button. Click the Next button.
    2247NWG-VGx6.jpg

    Service Name: The above name will be saved as this service's descriptionGlobal Port Range: - Base Host Port:Protocol:TCPUDPWe will list a series of lines here that will show you exactly how to forward the ports you need to forward. PS3 NAT Type 3 to 2 requires you to forward the 80,443,3478,3479,3658,5223 ports. Go ahead and enter the settings shown above into the Port Range menu and then click Next.
    Service Name: The above name will be saved as this service's descriptionGlobal Port Range: - Base Host Port:Protocol:TCPUDPYou should see another page of settings that need to be entered into one of the blank lines on your routers Port Range page. Go ahead and enter those settings and then click Next.
    Service Name: The above name will be saved as this service's descriptionGlobal Port Range: - Base Host Port:Protocol:TCPUDPYou should see another page of settings that need to be entered into one of the blank lines on your routers Port Range page. Go ahead and enter those settings and then click Next.
    Service Name: The above name will be saved as this service's descriptionGlobal Port Range: - Base Host Port:Protocol:TCPUDPYou should see another page of settings that need to be entered into one of the blank lines on your routers Port Range page. Go ahead and enter those settings and then click Next.

    2247NWG-VGx4.jpg

    Select the services you created from the Service Name drop down box. Click the Enable button. And that is it! You are done!


  • #40
    finty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭finty


    tried this and it still doesnt work, still getting nat3


    do you have to set up port forwarding for port 80 and 443?

    they are listed but not shown in the steps, UDP or TCP if they are?

    i presume when enabling you enable for the PS3 IP address?


    Cheers


    Might go buy a new router, anybody know a good one that doesnt have these problems?


  • #41
    steobyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭steobyrne


    Liam2590 wrote: »
    Everytime I enter these settings it just says 'the attempt to obtain an ip address timed out'. Can anybody help me?

    i hav the exact same problem,iv tried everything,netopia router,eircom are no help and neither are playstation,the video on you tube doesn work on mine,i can only get type 3 everytime!!shed some light please!!!


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  • #42
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭Damien360


    finty wrote: »


    Might go buy a new router, anybody know a good one that doesnt have these problems?

    I use a netgear DG834G on eircom and I get NAT2. Available in argos (you want DSL version for eircom) or online.


  • #43
    robrobin1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭robrobin1


    steobyrne wrote: »
    i hav the exact same problem,iv tried everything,netopia router,eircom are no help and neither are playstation,the video on you tube doesn work on mine,i can only get type 3 everytime!!shed some light please!!!


    if ur having problems playing games online do this, go to ur router default (192.168.1.254). when router page appears go to firewall and turn it off and save changes, go back out to router home page and click on wireless then scroll down to advanced config and click. then you sud c list of options, go 2 default channel click the down scroll and put it on to numba 1, then go to auto channelling and put it on default mode,wen that is done scroll down to save changes and click. then it sud give u the option to restart router click yes, this will open all the ports on the router


  • #44
    knuth
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭knuth


    weldon855 wrote: »
    i have netopia 2247-02 with nat2 on my ps3 . just opened ports 80-65535 udp/tcp for my ps3s ip address no problems. got fed up searching for what ports where needed so i just opened well nearly all of dem. firewall sill set to medium although if u have a good antivirus your pc is still protected if its off anyways. tried the ppoe for ages and it has never worked for me. if u have the other 2247 router with the latest firmware creatin the custom service to open all dem ports can prove more difficult because it wont let you overlap with the premade services thats already there.

    This method WORKS. Tested using DD-WRT micro (PPPoE does NOT work 24.1 micro) and a 2247.


  • #45
    aerocell
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭aerocell


    EIrcom broadband user's can also use their phone number as their username e.g. 046-xxxxxxxxx or 01-xxxxxxxxx ,and your password is your eircom account number.
    As far as I am aware CSI has to be turned off for this to work.

    Also people might want to dissable there own firewalls as well as dropping the routers.


  • #46
    passingby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭passingby


    wow nice one works


  • #47
    crxsi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭crxsi


    Can get 99% of games to work online on ps3(except lbp and pro evo 2010)have opened all ports manually on xyzel router, enabled pnp or router, but cannot get ps3 to change from nat 3 to nat 2...
    Have followed keep it carlows video over and over, but pnp just will not enable on ps3. I have a wired connection, and even tried setting it up wirelessly to see will it enable, but no luck..
    Any suggestions??

    Thanks



    Moderators, you should put a sticky up for these router probs.


  • #48
    EircomFails
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭EircomFails


    I got nat type 1 by using pppoe and everytime i play mw2 i get into a match and and then it starts laging, then i get sigh out of psn. i dont know what to do. Plaese Help Me Its driving me mad.


  • #49
    Billov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭Billov


    I've tried the PPPoE solutions... with no luck.

    My router is a Motorola 2247 which isn't on the portforward.com list

    although it looks just like the netopia one, so will my router use the same Port settings as the Netopia 2247NWG-VGx that Vanman posted???

    I've never had much trouble with online gaming (maybe a bit of irregular lag) until I got Modern Warfare 2... which can't even find a single match on NAT 3.


  • #50
    twinsen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭twinsen


    Billov wrote: »
    I've tried the PPPoE solutions... with no luck.

    My router is a Motorola 2247 which isn't on the portforward.com list

    although it looks just like the netopia one, so will my router use the same Port settings as the Netopia 2247NWG-VGx that Vanman posted???

    I've never had much trouble with online gaming (maybe a bit of irregular lag) until I got Modern Warfare 2... which can't even find a single match on NAT 3.

    Eircom router is crap , and it is not going to work. dont waste your time trying to set this up. just buy any cheap adsl router and your problems will dissappear


  • #51
    siblers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,595 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Is there an easier way of getting it to NAT1 when using an ethernet cable? Or does that make any difference?


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