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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    This won't bring Trump down because he has an (R) beside his name, and nothing, nothing will make Republicans in the Senate take down a Republican president.

    It might not get him impeached but it might ruin his chances of winning re-election


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    It might not get him impeached but it might ruin his chances of winning re-election


    HA HA HA!



    Re-election, good one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭amandstu


    How does this affect Biden's chances of selection/election?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    amandstu wrote: »
    How does this affect Biden's chances of selection/election?

    As I heard one talking head on CNN, Trump will be loving it. He knows there is zero chance of anyone actually holding him to account and at the same time the public now hear about possible corruption for Biden every hour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    amandstu wrote: »
    How does this affect Biden's chances of selection/election?

    Biden would be a horrible candidate for President. He's clearly suffering from some issues at the moment, forgetting who he's talking to, where he is and so on. We love to laugh at Trumps slip ups in his speeches, but Biden has been making a lot of them too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    I see another wrinkle on the Ukraine story overnight.

    Not only did Trump clear payment of the $250 million but a further $140 million was paid to Ukraine recently, coming as a complete (and welcome) surprise to Ukraine..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    One doesn't need any wrinkles, it is clear as day what happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    amandstu wrote:
    How does this affect Biden's chances of selection/election?


    Ah shur trump more than likely has it in the bag anyway, no matter who his goes up against him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    So, the reporting since last night is zeroing in on a July call Trump had with Zelensky. According to most recent reports citing people familiar with the call, Trump asked specifically (8 times) for Ukraine to work with Giuliani on a Hunter Biden investigation. Those most recent reports say also that no mention was made of the $250 million.

    So, the focus is on that July call. However, the Wall St Journal reported that when Atkinson met with the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday, "Mr. Atkinson declined to tell lawmakers the substance of the complaint or whether it involves the president, but he did say it involves more than one episode and is based on a series of events, according to several people who attended or were briefed on the meeting."

    So Atkinson was updating the Committee on something that the whistleblower reported as having occurred multiple times within "a series of events" that "involves more that one episode". Based on last night's meltdown by Rudi on CNN, I reckon the whistleblower reported not just the Trump call, but also the multiple alleged meetings between Rudi and Ukranian officials. Now, Trump might not have referred to the $250 m in the July call, but given how he works (as detailed by Lewandowski in relation to the dictated notes for Jeff Sessions) I believe that Giuliani was the one who linked the promise (involving the $250m funding) with the demand for dirt on Biden. He was at pains last night to distance Trump from his dealings with Ukraine, thereby trying to provide POTUS with plausible deniability.

    Rudi needs to be hauled up under oath by Congress to explain himself. And the bullying personal privilege and/or client privilege cannot be used, If he was acting on his own behalf and engaging with a foreign Government. I'd like to see Barry Berke getting a half hour with Rudi in front of the cameras on the Hill on this one...
    Two words box.office.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Biden would be a horrible candidate for President. He's clearly suffering from some issues at the moment, forgetting who he's talking to, where he is and so on. We love to laugh at Trumps slip ups in his speeches, but Biden has been making a lot of them too.

    Biden’s issues are extremely mild compared to the wild incoherent ramblings from the current President, which seem to be getting worse as time passes by.

    I wouldn’t be the biggest fan of Biden for President but it’s important to remember that if Biden does get the democratic nomination it really is a binary choice


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    marno21 wrote: »
    Biden’s issues are extremely mild compared to the wild incoherent ramblings from the current President, which seem to be getting worse as time passes by.

    I wouldn’t be the biggest fan of Biden for President but it’s important to remember that if Biden does get the democratic nomination it really is a binary choice


    Bidens failings will be exploited ten fold relative to Trump, the republican apparatus/ fox are very effective.... Biden is a very flawed candidate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Bidens failings will exploited ten fold relative to Trump, the republican apparatus/ fox are very effective.... Biden is a very flawed candidate

    The real problem is of course any attacks on Biden are even worse issues when it comes to Trump. But of course to Trump supporters that doesn't matter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Ah, that's the point. The only real problem the Dems have is it isn't one of them in the WH.

    They don't want to be creating standards they will regret when they inevitably get back in the WH.

    So hum and haw and lots of hand ringing, but don't rock the boat too much as their time will come.

    I think that's very unfair.
    The Democrats haven't had a president remotely like Trump in modern times.
    The Republicans have had presidents like Reagan and Bush that viewed executive power as all encompassing. Think Iran Contra and Iraq war.

    edi, for example, Obama could have filled the supreme court opening by recess appointment but didn't. I'd guess both Bush and Trump would have gone tha route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Who is going to release the transcript first ? My money is on the Ukraine... a leak to a paper is coming... tomorrow ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,206 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    As far as I know the Ukrainian read out had been widely circulated at this point

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    As far as I know the Ukrainian read out had been widely circulated at this point

    Circulated where ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,206 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Circulated where ?

    Media, most of them including WSJ ran with the same story referencing the read out so I'd assume they all have if or have at least seen it.

    8 occasions pressure was applied.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    I've seen repeated references to the Ukrainian 'readout' as being a basis for some reporting in the US.

    This term is normally used to describe an agreed summary of a call, which tends to highlight agreed positives and either de-emphasise disagreements / areas of contention, or not refer to them at all.

    While arguably better than nothing, a readout is no substitute for a transcript, (or even better, a "tape") which is what is needed to fully understand the content of the call. We'll never see that! Hopefully, at least the appropriate Congressional leads will get an un- abridged version in order to put this latest controversy to bed one way or the other!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    I've seen repeated references to the Ukrainian 'readout' as being a basis for some reporting in the US.

    This term is normally used to describe an agreed summary of a call, which tends to highlight agreed positives and either de-emphasise disagreements / areas of contention, or not refer to them at all.

    While arguably better than nothing, a readout is no substitute for a transcript, (or even better, a "tape") which is what is needed to fully understand the content of the call. We'll never see that! Hopefully, at least the appropriate Congressional leads will get an un- abridged version in order to put this latest controversy to bed one way or the other!

    ASAIK (I can try and find the reference to this) the whistleblower complaint comes from multiple incidences, not just one call


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,827 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Interesting. Deploying troops in support of the Saudi government, focusing on missile defense. So.. if a foreign actor shoots a missile at Saudi Arabia, US troops must respond? This article isn't great at describing exactly *what* the troop's mandate is, but it sure seems like the US military are mercenaries-for-hire by the Saudi's. Well, they're great customers I suppose, and the US has to protect it's customers so they can buy more good military hardware.

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/462418-trump-approves-troop-deployment-in-response-to-attacks-on-saudi-oil-sites


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    duploelabs wrote: »
    ASAIK (I can try and find the reference to this) the whistleblower complaint comes from multiple incidences, not just one call

    Yes. Covered two pages back.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111304375&postcount=4451


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    marno21 wrote: »
    Biden’s issues are extremely mild compared to the wild incoherent ramblings from the current President, which seem to be getting worse as time passes by.


    Are you joking? Biden is frikkin' SENILE. Id be surprised if he LIVES long enough to see the election.


    Take care


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    noel1980 wrote: »
    Are you joking? Biden is frikkin' SENILE. Id be surprised if he LIVES long enough to see the election.


    Take care

    Covfefe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Covfefe


    I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    noel1980 wrote: »
    I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!

    If you think he is coherent and communicates clearly, you need to get yourself checked out. Have you ever actually watched a press conference he has given? The full thing,not the edited version to cut out all the crap he says.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    noel1980 wrote: »
    duploelabs wrote: »
    Covfefe


    I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!

    So give Trump a break because he is old but Biden is senile!

    If you think Trump is coherent I suggest you watch a full press conference. Take the latest one where he visited the latest repairs on the border fence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    noel1980 wrote: »
    I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!

    The only time I have heard him speak coherently is when he is reading a speech written for him by someone else. Even then you can tell when he goes off script - he starts to talk rubbish.

    And he does not need to be given a break for being 73, quite of lot of us on here are around that age. If he is in fact senile or heading that way, again, he does not need to be given a break, he needs to be retired.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    noel1980 wrote: »
    I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!
    Sure.
    Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noel1980 wrote: »
    Are you joking? Biden is frikkin' SENILE. Id be surprised if he LIVES long enough to see the election.


    Take care

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/jul/05/trump-claims-1775-revolutionary-army-took-over-airports-video
    Donald Trump made an embarrassing error when addressing crowds during his Independence Day speech, saying the army 'took over the airports' from the British during the revolutionary war in the late 1700s, despite air travel not occurring in the US until the early 1900s.

    Nuff said ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980



    Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.


    Well.. sometimes his brain goes much faster than his lips can handle, but this is how he handles his ****.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980




    I won't read anything from the Guardian. I'm out of here. Looks like this thread is another trump-hating circle jerk. Can't win against an army of keyboard warriors with a curated list of guardian links.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noel1980 wrote: »
    I won't read anything from the Guardian. I'm out of here. Looks like this thread is another trump-hating circle jerk. Can't win against an army of keyboard warriors with a curated list of guardian links.

    So you refuse to acknowledge he said that the they took over airports in the 1700's? I can post many other links and indeed video of him saying it if you don't like my original link.

    Or is the "I'm outta here" and "circle jerk" lines m being used as an excuse to run away as so many have done before you?


    Edi: New user, low post count....i should really check this before engaging :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    So you refuse to acknowledge he said that the they took over airports in the 1700's? I can post many other links and indeed video of him saying it if you don't like my original link.

    Or is the "I'm outta here" and "circle jerk" lines m being used as an excuse to run away as so many have done before you?


    Edi: New user, low post count....i should really check this before engaging :rolleyes:


    I'm sure he said. I'm not disputing that. Polititians get things wrong all the time, they're people too.


    What I hate is papers like the Guardian making it into an article, like it's a big deal. It's not. He made a mistake.


    BTW If you want to see an awesome example of Trump's oration skills, I suggest you watch (if you haven't already), his roasting of Hitlery Clinton (not a typo) on the eve of the presidential election, 2016. Clinton truly believed she was gonna win, which makes it even more hilarious.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmvxx_YbDsM


    This is why he won the election and why he probably will win in 2020. He's a master orator and very sharp.


  • Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    Reading out jokes isnt oration


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    noel1980 wrote: »
    I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!

    I'm sorry, what? Are you having a laugh?
    Trump wrote:
    I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Pedro K wrote: »
    I'm sorry, what? Are you having a laugh?
    Trump wrote:
    I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.

    Nope. Not having a laugh. I don't know when he said this or under what circumstances... it was probably very noisy and was probably transcribed by some soyboy Guardian reporter though.



    Is there a website where you get these? Where are you getting them ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noel1980 wrote: »

    Nope. Not having a laugh. I don't know when he said this or under what circumstances... it was probably very noisy and was probably transcribed by some soyboy Guardian reporter though.



    Is there a website where you get these? Where are you getting them ?

    Oh they are all over the place, there's literally hundreds of them.

    What's your opinion on Trumps 10,000 plus blatant lies?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Oh they are all over the place, there's literally hundreds of them.

    What's your opinion on Trumps 10,000 plus blatant lies?


    Such as?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    noel1980 wrote: »
    Well.. sometimes his brain goes much faster than his lips can handle, but this is how he handles his ****.

    Noel... Fair play.. Its Saturday night and there's a bit of craic to be had by winding lads up! Hope you have a great night, and in fairness, well done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭Caegan


    noel1980 wrote: »
    Well.. sometimes his brain goes much faster than his lips can handle, but this is how he handles his ****.

    That would be the adderall.

    Nice try, the POTUS at this moment in time is a walking, talking embarrassment and traitor.

    If not now, time will show him for what he is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Oh they are all over the place, there's literally hundreds of them.

    What's your opinion on Trumps 10,000 plus blatant lies?


    You're Googling for an example aren't you? I bet you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    noel1980 wrote: »
    You're Googling for an example aren't you? I bet you are.

    Nah kiddo i have other things going on so just dipping in and out

    Here ya go though

    Stupid shìt he has said

    https://www.tatler.com/article/donald-trump-worst-quotes

    Lies he has told

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Nah kiddo i have other things going on so just dipping in and out

    Here ya go though

    Stupid shìt he has said

    https://www.tatler.com/article/donald-trump-worst-quotes

    Lies he has told

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/


    Kiddo? WTF? I'll pretend I didn't hear that.



    I was hoping you'd give me one specific example which we could use as a talking point, 1 out of 10000, is that hard?, but you chose the lazy choice of throwing out a few links. Shame.



    Well, I did google "10000 lies by trump" and it seems you got this from a Washington Post article from about April. Funny thing is, I can't find the actual list anywhere.


    Let's just say I'm skeptical. They claim he's lied over 10,000 times yet can't furnish me with the list, like is it top secret or something? I really want to see this list.


    IDK. I think I made the wrong choice of posting here. Obviously everybody here is much smarter than me. I won't be posting any more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Nah kiddo i have other things going on so just dipping in and out

    Here ya go though

    Stupid shìt he has said

    https://www.tatler.com/article/donald-trump-worst-quotes

    Lies he has told

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/


    By the weay What kind of a man reads Tatler anyway?


    It's kind of a rhetorical question... I'll leave you to ponder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Your rage quit lasted all of 13 minutes.

    Well done you, man of principle and Trump supporter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    noel1980 wrote: »


    IDK. I think I made the wrong choice of posting here. Obviously everybody here is much smarter than me. I won't be posting any more.

    Indeed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Your rage quit lasted all of 13 minutes.

    Well done you, man of principle and Trump supporter!


    I'm bored, but honestly it's no fun being in a minority so I'll be leaving soon. I just want to hear from the Tatler guy. But apparently he's "dipping in and out" tonight, so I may not wait up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    noel1980 wrote: »
    I'm bored, but honestly it's no fun being in a minority so I'll be leaving soon.... I may not wait up

    Ah,no.... Do Wait Up! :cool::cool:

    Boards.IE needs every possible monetised response to your intelligent and intelligence-based commentary, which has invigorated our Board's discussion for the past few hours.... We often receive the most historically pertinent commentary in the smallest hours, closer to 04:53 hrs...

    Sometimes, the day shift who come on stream after 05:22 hrs, focus on earlier commentary and that can keep many,many folks energised and excited for, basically, all day and beyond!!

    So Keep the faith! As I recently explained to the PostMaster General of a very small province of the DPRK:

    "In time....

    Someone will arrange for...

    Your survival, and that of your family...

    As soon as circumstances allow,,,,"

    Now, in fairness, how much more effort, action AND TREASURE are we expected to expend, given the IRON-CLAD commitments we have given as described in the preceding paragraph???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,436 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Donald T running this country would be fun. The sit on your hole waster types would be cleared out.

    Career wasters would be on vouchers and not 3 bed houses.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    noel1980 wrote: »

    Nope. Not having a laugh. I don't know when he said this or under what circumstances... it was probably very noisy and was probably transcribed by some soyboy Guardian reporter though.



    Is there a website where you get these? Where are you getting them ?



    There are literally videos of him going on these nonsensical ramblings. You can say it's some Guardian reporter, or say you don't like the source all you want. It's there in video. Not noisy. Not transcribed incorrectly. Just his usual nonsensical rambling.

    That you call him a great orator despite all of this suggests that you're either wilfully ignorant, not arguing in good faith, or just plain dim.

    Edit:

    Here's another Trump quote just for luck.
    Trump wrote:
    You know what uranium is, right? This thing called nuclear weapons like lots of things are done with uranium including some bad things.

    Yes, a great orator indeed.


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