Dark - Netflix

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 23-06-2019 1:07am

Finished Season 2 in one sitting this evening, and all I'll say is... Wow!

Zillah · 23-06-2019 1:13am

I'm in a bit of a bind...I don't remember Season 1 well enough to have any idea what is going on, but I really am not in the mood for watching the whole first season again. I watched the Netflix recap and it did not help very much!

postsnthing · 23-06-2019 1:33am

Zillah wrote:

I'm in a bit of a bind...I don't remember Season 1 well enough to have any idea what is going on, but I really am not in the mood for watching the whole first season again. I watched the Netflix recap and it did not help very much!

I'm exactly the same ! That recap has me more confused.

cdgalwegian · 23-06-2019 9:35am

Zillah wrote: »

I'm in a bit of a bind...I don't remember Season 1 well enough to have any idea what is going on, but I really am not in the mood for watching the whole first season again. I watched the Netflix recap and it did not help very much!

As someone once said "..every decision for something, is a decision against something else"
(Hint- a character in Dark.)

Soundest advice would be to wait til you're in a better mood to rewatch season 1. Or you could just chance it. Your decision.

Unearthly · 23-06-2019 8:04pm

Well that was excellent. Such a hard show to write I'd imagine with all the different time zones and making sure things add up.

multi verse next season just to add to the confusion :pac:

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 23-06-2019 9:24pm

Unearthly wrote: »

Well that was excellent. Such a hard show to write I'd imagine with all the different time zones and making sure things add up.

It's amazing how complex it is and it absolutely demands your attention. If they stick the landing with the final season next year, it could arguably be the greatest show of all-time (pun intended

)

I don't want to say much about the season just yet, as it's so fresh and I need a chance to digest it more (or even re-watch), but just a note on one of the castings

they did such a phenomenal job with the elderly Ulrich - I literally thought it was the 2019 Ulrich actor with prosthetic makeup because the eyes and the nose are so identical, but it is actually another actor entirely.

cdgalwegian · 24-06-2019 9:08am

Just finished watching season 1 again. I have to lie down coz my head hurts.
I had to have the wiki page open as I was watching the episodes; I found it really hard to remember who was who, especially when people were referring to others. That's not a criticism- it's just a measure if how insanely complicated this fantastic show is.

I've finished the online Darkology honours degree, and I'm sad to say I only got a 1.2. I'm not as clever as I thought.:p

Ok. I'm ready for season 2. I'll see ye on the other side- some time in the near future, or maybe the past....

Dial Hard · 24-06-2019 1:04pm

Zillah wrote: »

I'm in a bit of a bind...I don't remember Season 1 well enough to have any idea what is going on, but I really am not in the mood for watching the whole first season again. I watched the Netflix recap and it did not help very much!

I rewatched Season 1 a few months ago and still had to go back and read the ep-by-ep synopsis on Wikipedia before I started Season 2. Give that a read, try S2E1 and if you still haven't a rashers what's happening, go back and watch the last two or three episodes of S1 again.

extra gravy · 24-06-2019 3:47pm

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Just finished watching season 1 again. I have to lie down coz my head hurts.
I had to have the wiki page open as I was watching the episodes; I found it really hard to remember who was who, especially when people were referring to others. That's not a criticism- it's just a measure if how insanely complicated this fantastic show is.

I've finished the online Darkology honours degree, and I'm sad to say I only got a 1.2. I'm not as clever as I thought.:p

Ok. I'm ready for season 2. I'll see ye on the other side- some time in the near future, or maybe the past....

I rewatched most of season 1 whilst hungover yesterday, I think I'm going to have the read the wiki now too!

How Soon Is Now · 24-06-2019 8:23pm

Really really good show very underrated.

Finished the second season last night and ya had the same problem as others trying to remember certain bits from the first season but a lot of it came to me as things progressed.

Its also well worth sticking with the subs i dunno how half the people online more then likely in America.... are watching it dubbed ffs!

Wont comment on what happened on season two and how it ended up but **** didn't see it coming that's all ill say :pac:

cdgalwegian · 24-06-2019 10:34pm

Using some (crackle, crackle) discarded batteries, I've managed to fashion a miniature black hole, through which (crackle) I hope to have contacted ye from the other side - stop - definitely re-watch series 1 - stop - no spoilers, but intro music (crackle) same; GOODBYE, by Apparat. Haunting, with such appropriate and cool lines (crackle) as "for either never, or ever, goodbye". - stop - . I love this show- stop.

extra gravy · 24-06-2019 11:35pm

Half way through season 2 now, I'm a bit lost!

Just after watching older Jonas talking to Charlotte in the bunker. Can anyone explain why he doesn't seem to know that he's Adam? Or maybe he does and he's not letting on?

Cordell · 25-06-2019 10:02am

I was really disappointed by the ending...

The carefully build the concept of unbreakable time loops that can only be broken by that elusive loophole, then poof, multiverse, the lazy concept for light and easy time travel shows.

Dial Hard · 25-06-2019 11:31pm

extra gravy wrote:

Half way through season 2 now, I'm a bit lost!

I've just finished episode 6 and even with checking the wiki after each episode it's pretty safe to say I haven't a fcuking rasher's what's going on. But man, that episode hit me right in the feels.

Dial Hard · 26-06-2019 11:25pm

Just finished it. Have rapidly lost interest, tbh.

cdgalwegian · 26-06-2019 11:28pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

Just finished it. Have rapidly lost interest, tbh.

Season 1 or season 2 finished?

Dial Hard · 27-06-2019 11:31am

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Season 1 or season 2 finished?

Two.

ManOfMystery · 27-06-2019 3:34pm

Just finished S2 also, thought it was incredible.

Cordell wrote: »

I was really disappointed by the ending...
The carefully build the concept of unbreakable time loops that can only be broken by that elusive loophole, then poof, multiverse, the lazy concept for light and easy time travel shows.

Aaaah.... but we don't yet know if

the appearance of multiverse Martha (if that's what she actually is) is also part of the loop

Cordell · 27-06-2019 4:28pm

Yeah, maybe, the did a pretty good job keeping the plot interesting and hole free, so maybe

Is S3 confirmed?

cdgalwegian · 27-06-2019 6:39pm

Cordell wrote: »

Is S3 confirmed?

It was confirmed same time as ssason 2:
From wiki-
"Netflix renewed Dark for a second season, which was released on 21 June 2019 to critical acclaim from critics.[8][9] The series was renewed for a third season which will serve as the final season of the series.[10]"

ManOfMystery · 27-06-2019 11:28pm

Not only is S3 confirmed, they're shooting it now.

cdgalwegian · 28-06-2019 9:21am

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Not only is S3 confirmed, they're shooting it now.

Fake news. It was filmed 33 years ago.

Sic Mundus Creatus Est.

ManOfMystery · 28-06-2019 11:07am

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Fake news. It was filmed 33 years ago.

Sic Mundus Creatus Est.

Not only that, but they wrote S3 before S1. Fact.

Lionbacker · 28-06-2019 2:19pm

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Not only is S3 confirmed, they're shooting it now.

Going by the significant date they used to release season 2 (Michael's death), I get the feeling that season 3 may be released on June 27th 2020 (the day of the "apocalypse").

ManOfMystery · 28-06-2019 3:15pm

Total aside here, but I was reading online about a 1980 film called The Final Countdown (Kirk Douglas) which is about a modern naval destroyer accidentally sent back in time to one day before Pearl Harbour. The film ends on a loop of sorts as it transpires that one of the naval personnel who encounter it in the 1940s, then uses his knowledge of the ship to create the company that actually designs and builds the ship in the future, thus perpetuating a time loop in which there is no real beginning or end - but with his company and ship at the centre of it. His name is Mr Tideman. I was curious if this was any influence of sorts on Dark, with the nuclear plant seemingly at the centre of it and Mrs Tiedemann a key person in the perpetual time loop.

Cordell · 28-06-2019 5:52pm

Maybe it's a nod to that indeed.
Predestination is also a good mind bending time loop film.

cdgalwegian · 28-06-2019 9:07pm

Cordell wrote: »

Maybe it's a nod to that indeed.
Predestination is also a good mind bending time loop film.

+1
Predestination is slow to start, but gets weirder ( and better), so its worth sticking with. Dark is tops though. Yay for long form tv.

Seth Brundle · 29-06-2019 12:22am

After watching S2 ep3.
I'm fairly sure that Kreator's Pleasure to Kill was only released in double vinyl format in 2017!

(Excellent album nonetheless!)

al87987 · 30-06-2019 7:14pm

Didn't see any thread for this show.

Just finished season 2 and it was a big step up from the first season which was also pretty good.

Couple of questions to get the thread going.

Favourite character?

Where is this show going for season 3?

Fann Linn · 30-06-2019 7:17pm

sugarman wrote: »

Already a thread

404 not found.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-06-2019 7:18pm

sugarman wrote: »

Already a thread

Not found.

The Black Oil · 30-06-2019 7:19pm

Threads merged.

Drumpot · 30-06-2019 7:24pm

Watched episode one in English, is it better in German?

I suppose you get used to it , I just feel like I might miss things (from the sounds of it) by having to read subtitles. That said I’m not living the dubbed voices.. Does it add a lot?

pixelburp · 30-06-2019 7:25pm

Drumpot wrote: »

Watched episode one in English, is it better in German?

I suppose you get used to it , I just feel like I might miss things (from the sounds of it) by having to read subtitles. That said I’m not living the dubbed voices.. Does it add a lot?

Yes, don't watch it with dubbed English. Go watch with subtitles German.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-06-2019 7:26pm

Drumpot wrote: »

Watched episode one in English, is it better in German?

I suppose you get used to it , I just feel like I might miss things (from the sounds of it) by having to read subtitles. That said I’m not living the dubbed voices.. Does it add a lot?

I did that for the lolz. Switched off when everyone called him "Miggle".

Dial Hard · 30-06-2019 7:49pm

Drumpot wrote:

Watched episode one in English, is it better in German?

Oh god, don't even attempt another dubbed episode. I don't know how you even managed one; I lasted about 5 minutes. It's 100,000,000 times better in German.

ManOfMystery · 01-07-2019 9:10am

al87987 wrote: »

Couple of questions to get the thread going.

Favourite character?

Where is this show going for season 3?

Young Jonas, before he

becomes slightly older jaded Jonas, or even older OAP 007 Bond villain Jonas

As for where it's going .......

it appears with the introduction of a Martha from 'another world', they're going down the route of multiple realities and/or timelines. Which is an interesting concept in itself for many reasons - the show has already established that actions in the past directly affect the same timeline in the future so in terms of time travel theory it hasn't gone down the Endgame route - yet this new development seems to be at odds with that. I'm curious to see if the other realities are contained within this time loop as well (thus, new Martha's appearance was always fated to happen) or if they're totally external and thus they key to ending the perpetual loop

cdgalwegian · 01-07-2019 7:50pm

Just finished season 2. It's now at genius level.
It's one part Primer, two parts 3-D chess, and 5 parts JFK assassination conspiracy.
Yeah that's right: "It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle, inside an enigma."

Ok, I'm off to buy Time Paradoxes for Idiots, for the Master's programme in Darkology. No doubt I'll have to watch season 1 and season 2 as prep for season 3.

pixelburp · 01-07-2019 8:44pm

Started season 2 last night. I'm confused, and unsettled.

And I love it.

Westworld writers should take note on how to write abstract, forebodingly withholding dialogue.

ManOfMystery · 02-07-2019 10:23am

I was chatting to a colleague about this (who also watches it) and we've come to the conclusion that the writers are genius.

Not for the general storyline or complexity of it all (which are impressive enough in themselves) but for the fact that they must have mapped out the whole myriad of genealogical relationships in Winden before starting filming of S1, yet managed to keep a large number of them relatively hidden until such time as they were revealed.

On a sidenote, they've also knocked it out of the park with the casting. I've never seen a TV or film show before in which the younger and older actors playing the same characters actually look so much alike.

cdgalwegian · 02-07-2019 1:06pm

Just posted this in another thread elsewhere: the Netflix official guide (to help navigate the maze with Wiki)-

https://dark.netflix.io/

Talisman · 03-07-2019 1:53pm

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Total aside here, but I was reading online about a 1980 film called The Final Countdown (Kirk Douglas) which is about a modern naval destroyer accidentally sent back in time to one day before Pearl Harbour. The film ends on a loop of sorts as it transpires that one of the naval personnel who encounter it in the 1940s, then uses his knowledge of the ship to create the company that actually designs and builds the ship in the future, thus perpetuating a time loop in which there is no real beginning or end - but with his company and ship at the centre of it. His name is Mr Tideman. I was curious if this was any influence of sorts on Dark, with the nuclear plant seemingly at the centre of it and Mrs Tiedemann a key person in the perpetual time loop.

I saw that movie on video years ago (1980s) - from what I remember Martin Sheen also starred in it.

My recollection of the plot:

The ship was an aircraft carrier loaded with F-14s - during a training exercise it passed through a storm that transported it through time to the day before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour. There they encountered a yacht being attacked by Japanese fighter planes, the F-14s splashed the fighters and the people were rescued from the yacht. Onboard the yacht was a senator/congressman and his daughter/secretary. When the politician learns of the impending Japanese attack he demands they go to Pearl Harbour, instead the captain decides to deposit the rescuees on an island where they will be found. As the helicopter approaches the island the politician tries to wrestle control from the pilot resulting in a crash. The ship is pulled back through time and its designer is revealed to be the crewman who survived the helicopter crash and married the politician's female companion.

I totally forgot about the Tiedemann being the name of the designer but do remember that the dog was reunited with his wife.

ManOfMystery · 03-07-2019 2:19pm

Talisman wrote: »

I saw that movie on video years ago (1980s) - from what I remember Martin Sheen also starred in it.

My recollection of the plot:
The ship was an aircraft carrier loaded with F-14s - during a training exercise it passed through a storm that transported it through time to the day before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour. There they encountered a yacht being attacked by Japanese fighter planes, the F-14s splashed the fighters and the people were rescued from the yacht. Onboard the yacht was a senator/congressman and his daughter/secretary. When the politician learns of the impending Japanese attack he demands they go to Pearl Harbour, instead the captain decides to deposit the rescuees on an island where they will be found. As the helicopter approaches the island the politician tries to wrestle control from the pilot resulting in a crash. The ship is pulled back through time and its designer is revealed to be the crewman who survived the helicopter crash and married the politician's female companion.

I totally forgot about the Tiedemann being the name of the designer but do remember that the dog was reunited with his wife.

Could just be a coincidence, it is different spelling after all. Sounds interesting, must give it a watch some time.

Talisman · 03-07-2019 4:29pm

ManOfMystery wrote: »

Could just be a coincidence, it is different spelling after all. Sounds interesting, must give it a watch some time.

Yes it could be a coincidence and the spelling can be explained by the Americanisation of a German surname: Tiedemann -> Tiedeman -> Tideman.

Americanised versions of European surnames are not uncommon.

e.g.
Clement -> Clemens
Donohoe -> Donahue
Eisenhauer -> Eisenhower
Hegarty -> Hargitay
Jager -> Yeager
Kernaghan -> Kernochan
Van Dijk -> Van Dyke

Talisman · 03-07-2019 4:32pm

Drumpot wrote: »

Watched episode one in English, is it better in German?

I suppose you get used to it , I just feel like I might miss things (from the sounds of it) by having to read subtitles. That said I’m not living the dubbed voices.. Does it add a lot?

You actually pick up more from reading the subtitles - I find it helps me concentrate.

cdgalwegian · 03-07-2019 6:07pm

S P O I L E R-heavy timeline for both seasons

https://www.tvguide.com/news/dark-timeline-netflix/

Talisman · 04-07-2019 7:32am

I just opened the link posted to the timeline and it refers to "Teen Noah and another man" in the opening scene of season 2. Am I alone in thinking that the man is

adult Bartosz Tiedemann

? I see an uncanny resemblance between the two actors.

cdgalwegian · 04-07-2019 7:57am

Talisman wrote: »

I just opened the link posted to the timeline and it refers to "Teen Noah and another man" in the opening scene of season 2. Am I alone in thinking that the man is
adult Bartosz Tiedemann
? I see an uncanny resemblance between the two actors.

You remember what the the other fella looks like? That's Rain Man capability.

Now I wish I hadn't read your spoiler coz I was blissfully ignorant.:o:p
Curiouser and curiouser.

ManOfMystery · 04-07-2019 9:14am

cdgalwegian wrote: »

S P O I L E R-heavy timeline for both seasons

https://www.tvguide.com/news/dark-timeline-netflix/

Well that's my Thurs night wiped out

pixelburp · 06-07-2019 5:47pm

Ha, spotted what may be a super subtle Back to the Future nod in episode two; when

in the 1950s scene while older Regina(?) digs the hole to bury the time machine, there are two lone pine trees sitting in shot. A callback to the Twin (later, One) Pine Mall from the 1980s film perhaps?

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