Backpatch for MCC club

bunny shooter · 19-05-2008 2:00pm #1

Question

Would an MCC club with it's badge on the back of a jacket be considered out of order by MC clubs ?

Run_to_da_hills · 19-05-2008 2:22pm

bunny shooter wrote: »

Question

Would an MCC club with it's badge on the back of a jacket be considered out of order by MC clubs ?

Depends on what MC club. Some of the Irish MC clubs have developed a childish reputation to take on the role to police any biker wearing a patch on their back irrespective of what shape or size it is. The CMA Christian Mororcycle Association was approached by members of the DD's last year in Dublin and told to remove their back patch which looked like this.

The Outlaws MC on the other hand would have a more mature approach towards MCC clubs and individual bikers wearing back patches. They would only have an issue with a patch that would resemble "colours" ie an MC backpatch. i.e. distinct upper & lower "rockers", a central "death head" the 1% "diamond" and the letters "MC" (Normally to the right hand side of the patch ) See picts.

Bottom line. If you in an MCC club and your club intends wearing any kind of a back patch your club can expect a visit. :eek: (Ask any senior member from the Banner MCC)

bunny shooter · 19-05-2008 3:10pm

My club, an MCC club, had an issue with a few members who got the club badge enlarged and put on the back of jackets without club knowledge. The club rule is/was on the front or on the sleeve, never on the back.

At a subsequent meeting it was highlighted and they were advised that this might not be a good idea in that some of the MC clubs might not agree with it.

The jackets have been put into storage.

Run_to_da_hills · 19-05-2008 3:13pm

bunny shooter wrote: »

The jackets have been put into storage.

Best place for them.

bunny shooter · 19-05-2008 3:19pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Best place for them.

We have a few lads in the club who know the way things are. Thankfully they were able to convince the less well educated lads that this was not a good idea.

We are an MCC club, however, were actually nothing more than a social club.

Just for the record I'm in the Rock Rebels MCC, more or less based in Cashel, Co. Tipp.

Cheers for input.

Any more input appreciated

Run_to_da_hills · 19-05-2008 3:32pm

bunny shooter wrote: »

We have a few lads in the club who know the way things are. Thankfully they were able to convince the less well educated lads that this was not a good idea.

We are an MCC club, however, were actually nothing more than a social club.

Just for the record I'm in the Rock Rebels MCC, more or less based in Cashel, Co. Tipp.

Cheers for input.

Any more input appreciated

It would be the Road Tramps that you would have to worry about in that neck of the woods if you considered a backpatch. The same crowd that "paid a visit" to certain members of the Banner MCC at the Lifford Arms in Ennis back in the 90ies.

bunny shooter · 19-05-2008 3:36pm

Thought so.

Cheers.

madrab · 20-05-2008 12:18pm

god i hate mc's & all their sh1te about what you can and cant wear

Oryx · 20-05-2008 12:31pm

madrab wrote: »

god i hate mc's & all their sh1te about what you can and cant wear

Agreed. I always reckoned they were compensating for being kicked out of boyscouts as children, or something. Singly, most of them are sound, but as a group, they tend to ego trip a bit.

Tigger · 20-05-2008 1:02pm

this is not the wild west people if some one annoys you about your jacket tell them to f off , bunch of wannabe hells angels

Pigeon Reaper · 20-05-2008 1:20pm

madrab wrote: »

god i hate mc's & all their sh1te about what you can and cant wear

Did you not have something on the back of your jacket?

It's a load of **** to be honest and if anyone ever had a problem with something I was wearing they are most welcome to discuss it with me.

Tigger · 20-05-2008 2:22pm

i dont like your socks

bunny shooter · 20-05-2008 5:20pm

I didn't start this thread for it to become a bitchfest by certain posters against MC clubs :mad:

It was to get some information in order to ensure that there was no "crossing the line" by me or my club.

I want to confirm that neither I or my club intend any disrespect to any MC club.

I request that a moderator close this thread asap.

Even better remove it completely ?

murphaph · 20-05-2008 5:48pm

Who gives a fcuk what MC clubs think? I wouldn't be too impressed if some MC member started quizzing me about my clothing!

madrab · 20-05-2008 8:39pm

yeah i just have a random patch with a skull sewn on - i just think the image is cool

KTRIC · 20-05-2008 8:55pm

madrab wrote: »

yeah i just have a random patch with a skull sewn on - i just think the image is cool

Oooh, yer in sh!te now. Some lads are heading around to have words later. I heard the local MC's don't like guys with chaps and skull patch's giving them a bad name

BigCon · 20-05-2008 9:18pm

bunny shooter wrote: »

Question

Would an MCC club with it's badge on the back of a jacket be considered out of order by MC clubs ?

Yes.

murphaph · 20-05-2008 9:43pm

Can anyone list some of these MC clubs here in Ireland? Any members of them here? I'm intrigued about this as it would never have crossed my mind to watch my clothing based on the reaction of any of these groups. I'm having difficulty equating the easy rider image with some lads from Cashel to be honest

Run_to_da_hills · 20-05-2008 11:04pm

murphaph wrote: »

Can anyone list some of these MC clubs here in Ireland? Any members of them here? I'm intrigued about this as it would never have crossed my mind to watch my clothing based on the reaction of any of these groups. I'm having difficulty equating the easy rider image with some lads from Cashel to be honest

To the best of my knowledge there are six Irish based MC clubs four of them being part of the Alliance.

The Alliance
http://www.alliancemcireland.com/main.htm
Devils Desciples MC
Freewheelrs MC
Vikings MC
Roadtramps MC

Chozen Few MC http://homepage.eircom.net/~chosenfew/HOME.htm (Some of these guys split up to become part of the HA.)

Independant club.
Brotherhood MC (Limerick & Clare)

The International MC clubs
Outlaws MC Ireland. http://www.outlawsmc-ireland.com/homepage.htm
North Tyrone Chapter,
West Coast Chapter
Leinster Chapter.

Hells Angels MC Belfast http://www.hellsangelsbelfast.com/hamc_belfast.html

pirate reject · 21-05-2008 12:01am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It would be the Road Tramps that you would have to worry about in that neck of the woods if you considered a backpatch. The same crowd that "paid a visit" to certain members of the Banner MCC at the Lifford Arms in Ennis back in the 90ies.

Bloody eck if they were that narky back then about a choice of badge I'd hate to have seen the arguments over Oasis vs Blur

Run_to_da_hills · 21-05-2008 12:06am

pirate reject wrote: »

Bloody eck if they were that narky back then about a choice of badge I'd hate to have seen the arguments over Oasis vs Blur

The issue was not over the choice of badge because the Banner MCC still use that patch, It was all about where certain members had the patch placed, i.e, on their backs. :rolleyes:

madrab · 21-05-2008 8:42am

KTRIC wrote: »

Oooh, yer in sh!te now. Some lads are heading around to have words later. I heard the local MC's don't like guys with chaps and skull patch's giving them a bad name

No.1 on an MC charter is no tassles

Pigeon Reaper · 21-05-2008 9:08am

no tassles! Thats just wrong on so many levels.

SlabMurphy · 21-05-2008 12:58pm

murphaph wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk what MC clubs think? I wouldn't be too impressed if some MC member started quizzing me about my clothing!

Totally agreed.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Depends on what MC club. Some of the Irish MC clubs have developed a childish reputation to take on the role to police any biker wearing a patch on their back irrespective of what shape or size it is. The CMA Christian Mororcycle Association was approached by members of the DD's last year in Dublin and told to remove their back patch which looked like this.

The Outlaws MC on the other hand would have a more mature approach towards MCC clubs and individual bikers wearing back patches. They would only have an issue with a patch that would resemble "colours" ie an MC backpatch. i.e. distinct upper & lower "rockers", a central "death head" the 1% "diamond" and the letters "MC" (Normally to the right hand side of the patch ) See picts.

Bottom line. If you in an MCC club and your club intends wearing any kind of a back patch your club can expect a visit. :eek: (Ask any senior member from the Banner MCC)

Does that also include the Black Widows

Gotta be honest, now and again I have shared a chat and a pint with the DD's and the Chosen Few ( they may have split up since The Chosen Few Belfast became Hells Angels ), and to be honest their's a lot of bullsh1t put out about them, all sorts of acustations playing the hard man, etc. In all the time I've know any of them I couldn't say it about them, well, that's just my experience anyway, though I have to say I have seen the special branch stopping and harrassing them, the guards keep quite a large presence at the Gathering at the Man of War, think it's a bit over the top itself, though I'm sure some of them enjoy the notoriety !!!

Obviously in America and in some countries like Holland, Denmark etc back patch rivalry is a sometimes very dangerous and indeed, deadly matter. ( BTW, I'm not a memeber of a backpatch club or ever have been, though I've got plenty of club rally's/gatherings patches, Isle of Man, AC/DC, Slayer etc on my jacket )

But don't club patches only become an issue when it's 1% clubs ?? Anyone from Banner MCC - what's the story ??

Run_to_da_hills · 21-05-2008 6:02pm

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Does that also include the Black Widows ??

The Black Widows Ireland is a womans club

SlabMurphy wrote: »

But don't club patches only become an issue when it's 1% clubs ?? Anyone from Banner MCC - what's the story ??

MC clubs should be only concerned about other clubs wearing "Colours" or other clubs copying their own logo. Sticking an AC/DC, Metallica or an MCC patch on your back is not "wearing colours". About two years ago an MCC Club from Mayo had a rally poster containing two crossed pistons, members of the Outlaws MC were not too happy with this and told them to change it, which they did.

The Banner MCC club patch is the "Dolmen" Ie a couple of rocks placed on top of each other and goes back over 30 years. Two former members had the bright idea to have the club patch on their backs. The Roadtramps turned up in Ennis at the Lifford bar and requested them to remove this patch immediatly from the back of their jackets. The patches were removed end of story.

murphaph · 21-05-2008 6:17pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

About two years ago an MCC Club from Mayo had a rally poster containing two crossed pistons, members of the Outlaws were not too happy with this

Is it a registered trademark or something? If not, I'd have told these characters to p!ss off.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

and told them to change it, which they did.

As above, more fool them for doing what a couple of clowns said. Seriously, where do these lads think they live? The friggin wild west?

Run_to_da_hills · 21-05-2008 6:37pm

murphaph wrote: »

Is it a registered trademark or something??

Yes it is an international trademark and is copyrighted world wide.

murphaph wrote: »

If not, I'd have told these characters to p!ss off.??

You would be on your own.

murphaph wrote: »

As above, more fool them for doing what a couple of clowns said. Seriously, where do these lads think they live? The friggin wild west?

Limerick city is the wild west

murphaph · 21-05-2008 7:41pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes it is an international trademark and is copyrighted world wide. You would be on your own.
Limerick city is the wild west

A set of crossed pistons is a trademark? Limerick is the wild mid west. :pac:

Maybe it's a country thing but I can't imagine anyone in Dublin approaching me and telling me to take a patch off my back.

Run_to_da_hills · 21-05-2008 8:12pm

murphaph wrote: »

set of crossed pistons is a trademark? .

THe skull and cross pistons is the trademark for the Outlaws MC and has been used by them since 1954. Practically all MC clubs both national and international (And many MCC Clubs) have a copyright on their club patch / badge/ logos etc. If you deliberately go around trying to copy and use them you are only asking for trouble.

murphaph wrote: »

Maybe it's a country thing but I can't imagine anyone in Dublin approaching me and telling me to take a patch off my back.

As I mentioned before some members of the DD's approached the CMA in Dublin last year and asked them to remove their association patches (Not colours) from their backs.

murphaph · 21-05-2008 10:01pm

Next thing I'll be reading about a pair of these goons approaching one of these and asking them to remove their patch!

macnab · 22-05-2008 6:58am

People who are fine when you meet them on their own but not when they are in a group?? that alone speaks volumes. I for one have only ever had negative experiences with MC members.

madrab · 22-05-2008 8:36am

next they will be telliing learner drivers to take their "L" patch off their back

Dragon123 · 22-05-2008 1:49pm

I have a friend who was surrounded by DD's and made rip a patch off his back a couple of years ago. He was told if he didn't he was going to get a kicking and his bike wrecked! :mad:

madrab · 22-05-2008 2:19pm

what was the patch of?

Dragon123 · 22-05-2008 2:21pm

The owners patch for his type of bike. I don't want to say what it is

alpina · 22-05-2008 3:22pm

What's wrong with saying what it is, are we now being intimidated by a bunch of bored goons who are sound blokes on their own but revert back to the schoolyard when together...
Are you talking about a H.O.G. patch? if it's in reference to his bike?

Dragon123 · 22-05-2008 3:36pm

alpina wrote: »

What's wrong with saying what it is, are we now being intimidated by a bunch of bored goons who are sound blokes on their own but revert back to the schoolyard when together...
Are you talking about a H.O.G. patch? if it's in reference to his bike?

No it's not a HOG patch...it's a smaller club.

I have no problem standing up to them....I've done it before and not given in, but my mate is the one who could get into trouble, so it's for his sake I'm not naming it.

alpina · 22-05-2008 3:38pm

Cool...;)

galwaytt · 22-05-2008 11:29pm

alpina wrote: »

What's wrong with saying what it is, are we now being intimidated by a bunch of bored goons who are sound blokes on their own but revert back to the schoolyard when together...
Are you talking about a H.O.G. patch? if it's in reference to his bike?

Indeed. And can they use IE7.xx....? A kind of, 'bear in the woods' scenario, no ?

Halfdog · 25-05-2008 5:34pm

THe DD's should learn from the AOA on how to run a club.

Run_to_da_hills · 26-05-2008 8:27am

Halfdog wrote: »

THe DD's should learn from the AOA on how to run a club.

:eek:

Patterson · 04-04-2011 1:35pm

Yep. It's the wild west.

Putting it a couple ways? Wearing colors is making a representation. If it's a false representation, you are subject to "remediation". Such remediation is in the eyes of the beholders...

Some of these attitudes reflect a lack of respect that smells like blood in the city or the country. It WILL draw feeders. But, Darwin wrote about 7lbs of paper on the subject, didn't he?

Good luck! Might want to stick with Disney characters on your cut?

Flyin Irishman · 04-04-2011 2:39pm

Patterson wrote: »

Yep. It's the wild west.

Putting it a couple ways? Wearing colors is making a representation. If it's a false representation, you are subject to "remediation". Such remediation is in the eyes of the beholders...

Some of these attitudes reflect a lack of respect that smells like blood in the city or the country. It WILL draw feeders. But, Darwin wrote about 7lbs of paper on the subject, didn't he?

Good luck! Might want to stick with Disney characters on your cut?

Does it count as a false representation if a biker has an MCC logo (that doesnt resemble an MC logo) on his back?

Or do the MCs feel that any biker wearing a patch on their back is claiming they can 'play with the big kids'?

Patterson · 04-04-2011 2:53pm

Flyin Irishman wrote: »

Does it count as a false representation if a biker has an MCC logo (that doesnt resemble an MC logo) on his back?

Or do the MCs feel that any biker wearing a patch on their back is claiming they can 'play with the big kids'?

I can't speak for anybody but me, but... That MCC? What's the intent? To me, the intent is that a "wannabe" wants the same respect as the real thing. The real thing is not a t-shirt I bought at a gift shop. There's blood and sweat and commitment. To the guy with the "MC" it represents something that has meaning.

And then we have perceptions. Neither your intent nor your knowledge of what you're doing by wearing that patch? Doesn't matter. Only the other guy's perceptions matter. To him they are real. Whether you intended to or not - you walked into a cave and poked a bear with a stick. The bear is going to do what a bear is going to do. Blaming him for being a bear is moot. Because he's going to swipe that paw. He's a bear.

Does this help?

Tigger · 04-04-2011 5:37pm

so you think its ok to beat up people for wearing patches and trying to be cool?

P.C. · 04-04-2011 5:57pm

A three year old thread. :eek:

I think we should let it die a peacful death.

Patterson · 04-04-2011 6:05pm

Tigger wrote: »

so you think its ok to beat up people for wearing patches and trying to be cool?

No. But I think there are a lot of dead people who just thought they were bring cool. You're talking like a child. Being "good" or bring "right" rarely has anything to do with what may happen to you... That is a fact.

People have not evolved in several hundred thousand years. In all of that time, they have bonded into tribes. Alpha males have been the leaders. He's the one who offers the best protection. He the one who can easily kill the next strongest male in the tribe - not to mention the weak one who wants to look cool.

Civilization and political economy find value in stability and safety. Do now we have slightly different slants on civilization. But this is a couple hundred years old only. There are still more places in this world where an alpha male can kill without anything but positive reinforcement.

Cool! LMFAO! It's just a game to you! A way to impress some girl out of her panties? These guys often have NOTHING except their tribal status. I'm sorry but stupid is stupid all day long! You are dealing with ANIMALS. I know because I've been one of them. You have to be prepared to kill for those colors. That's the promise you make. You have nothing to do with it - you snd your "Sons of Anarchy" eBay-bought vests. These guys are animals with nothing to loose but that pride. So for that, YOU are willing to risk your life? These guys pride themselves on not leaving enough if you to identify. Is THAT how you want your mother to bury you? You're being selfish and stupid.

Ya wanna bond with them? Wear a cool Buco knockoff. A D-pocket jacket. Laces up the side. NO FRIGGIN COLORS OR PATCHES!!! Work out. Look like you can wear it. Don't be a prick. Show respect. They may even buy you a drink and think you ARE cool. But don't piss on their foreheads. It's stupid.

Does THAT help.

Tigger · 04-04-2011 7:10pm

Patterson wrote: »

No. But I think there are a lot of dead people who just thought they were bring cool. You're talking like a child. Being "good" or bring "right" rarely has anything to do with what may happen to you... That is a fact.

People have not evolved in several hundred thousand years. In all of that time, they have bonded into tribes. Alpha males have been the leaders. He's the one who offers the best protection. He the one who can easily kill the next strongest male in the tribe - not to mention the weak one who wants to look cool.

Civilization and political economy find value in stability and safety. Do now we have slightly different slants on civilization. But this is a couple hundred years old only. There are still more places in this world where an alpha male can kill without anything but positive reinforcement.

Cool! LMFAO! It's just a game to you! A way to impress some girl out of her panties? These guys often have NOTHING except their tribal status. I'm sorry but stupid is stupid all day long! You are dealing with ANIMALS. I know because I've been one of them. You have to be prepared to kill for those colors. That's the promise you make. You have nothing to do with it - you snd your "Sons of Anarchy" eBay-bought vests. These guys are animals with nothing to loose but that pride. So for that, YOU are willing to risk your life? These guys pride themselves on not leaving enough if you to identify. Is THAT how you want your mother to bury you? You're being selfish and stupid.

Ya wanna bond with them? Wear a cool Buco knockoff. A D-pocket jacket. Laces up the side. NO FRIGGIN COLORS OR PATCHES!!! Work out. Look like you can wear it. Don't be a prick. Show respect. They may even buy you a drink and think you ARE cool. But don't piss on their foreheads. It's stupid.

Does THAT help.

tldr

-Chris- · 06-04-2011 10:03pm

Thread temp closed pending Motorbike Mod arrival...

P.C. · 07-04-2011 5:20pm

-Chris- wrote: »

Thread temp closed pending Motorbike Mod arrival...

Thread permanantly closed.

Sorry, I was out for a spin and got home late last night.

Backpatch for MCC club

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