Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-11-2014 4:58pm

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ul Gary kirby coach

No programmes ,the teams from what i could see
paul maher
Troy kilkenny
dave mccarthy clare
James carrig limerick
5?
Gearoid ryan clare
Aidan mcguahan 7 ul

John mcgrath ul 8
9?
10 donal dywer
11 emmet nolan offaly
12 Jack shelley
13 ryan limerick
14 stephan bennett
15 shane donelly
Fergal horgan tipp ref

Ger cunnigham cork ucc coach

Ucc
1?
Higgins
Kieran histon
Fionn o sullivan
Higins
Tadhg o bourke
Hegarty
Motherway
Tom devine
Mark mcgaughan
Eoin fitzell (20)michael breen was injured didnt start
Rickard cahalane
Anthony spillane
Dj foran
Philip lucey kerry

H time 2-8 to 1-9 in favour ul
Full time 4-14 ul to ucc 2-19

Fergal horgan tipp referee

Donelly hat trick and stephen bennett goals ul ,nolan and ryan got some great scores with bennett scoring a goal and 6 around
John mcgrath two great points

Troy ,mcgauhan, and james carrig my man of the match was unreal ,mcgrath,donnelly and bennett and nolan having great games

Ucc had great games from tadhg o bourke superb and majestic at 6,with hegarthy having a fine game,
And tom devine hurling loads of ball at midfield.those had a huge influence in ucc going from 7 down to 1 ahead in the second half.

Mcghaun worked hard with cahalane getting good points and fitzell having good moments at times.
Lucey had a great game when he got ball but he didnt get enough of it.

Dj foran was there best forward,winning loads of clean aerial ball,scoring two great goals and laying of a lot of ball,and created a lot.

A classic high quality game played at a breathing taking pace and tempo a draw would have been a fair result but ul are a brillant team-and well coached like ucc were.They play carlow in the semifinal next week.coached by dempsey the Kilkenny selector.

Just briefly said post that
That was freshers cup last year ul v ucc
As I said then it was played huge pace and intensity and imo was good standard bearer for fitzgibbon cup next year.

Ger cunningham had ucc and I'd think on that game devine Bourke and foran will be huge contention start ucc in fitzgibbon and foran I'm huge fan of, reminds me niall mccarthy very raw starting out but huge potential good coaching and he gave exhibition of winning High aerial ball in that match he was brilliant, Ger cunningham would have noticed that and I think he will be huge part ucc this year fitzgibbon imo

Cunningham gone dublin but with ucc also top coach and like I said few weeks ago cork thread did bring.ed coughlan mayo coach last year football, cork man with him so ger surrounds himself top coaches and in séaniec.mcgrath not glen man and noel furlong ucc have top set up this year

Mcgrath I think has role in Dublin overseeing s and c programme etc and furlong could very well join dublin in future as ger rates him very highly as a promising young coach.

Point is I'd fancy ucc be very strong next year with devine and foran having huge parts to play possibly Bourke also.
Imo the doubt is not if devine plays but where, half back or midfield.

cul beag · 17-11-2014 6:34pm

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'm not biased at all at all

I was simply being realistic in castlematyr being talked down in some quarters

I had referenced I was unsure regards full extent intercounty representative

You will find I mentioned pat o Donovan and yes very good hurler
As for tom devine didn't know he played club but I'm well aware him talent wise huge talent and I done report ucc v ul fresher game last year where said in another thread he has outstanding match and like dj foran also brilliant that day imo and should be fitzgibbon cup absolutely and lehane I think is finished ucc thus year

Totally unbiased I am, judging by cork junior record and lawtons etc I said it would be close game one castlematyr should expecting to win and this talk that mondligo are huge favourites as was originally put imo I disagree with

Ucc coached ger cunningham noel furlong carrigtwohill etc they don't do bias so you can almost guarantee devine will be on ucc team and correctly so

TTM,for what it's worth,in the 2013 junior championship modeligo were leading Ballysaggart by 3pts with 3 mins of injury time played before Stephen Bennett buried a very controversial free to bring it to a replay. Injuries curtailed modeligo for the replay and we all know where ballysaggart ended up having won the replay. This is a decent modeligo team,well trained by Pa Kearney from Ballyduff upper,and along with the Tom Devines and the Donovans they also have Pat Fitzgerald,a former county panelist who would have tasted senior club hurling within the county some years back. They would have been strong favourites for the county championship from along way back this year but I do take your point that up until last year our record in the Munster side of things has been abysmal. Castlemartyr have been knocking on the door in Cork for a while now and have finally made the breakthrough and certainly that experience should have a positive effect going into the final but in my opinion its too close to call.

Orizio · 18-11-2014 1:04am

Mountainlad wrote: »

For what it's worth, I was there when Charleville won the Munster a few years ago and I thought they were a very good team. I don't think Modeligo would have beaten them but from what I've seen you say previously it doesn't sound like theyll have to be as good as that to win this game. They aren't as good as Ballysaggart last year either, but they are better than any Waterford representatives in those years prior you mention that Cork won the Junior so to some extent that's a moot point.

Interesting. What odds are Modeligo? Going to put a few quid on them for the AI.

Devine alone is a class hurler tbf. Wasn't aware of all the other lads they have.

Mountainlad · 18-11-2014 1:14am

Orizio wrote: »

Interesting. What odds are Modeligo? Going to put a few quid on them for the AI.

Devine alone is a class hurler tbf. Wasn't aware of all the other lads they have.

:rolleyes:

Cake Man · 19-11-2014 10:10pm

Looking at Harty cup results the last few weeks, it hasn't been going well for the Waterford colleges.
Blackwater beaten 3-3 to 2-15 by Thurles and DLS hammered 0-6 to 5-11 by Colmans yesterday.
DLS bottom of their group and both Blackwater and Dungarvan second from bottom, all unlikely to make the knock out stages.

Should this be cause for concern or is it worth reading too much into? I just don't think it's any coincidence that our strong minor teams the last few years were backboned by really good Harty teams. I suppose these things happen in cycles and those teams had many outstanding players (Curran's, Bennett's et al) but who would be the standout players from this years Harty teams that will make up the county minor team for 2015?

thegambler2 · 20-11-2014 12:05pm

Anybody have any info on how the transfer market is looking this winter for waterford clubs? heard a few rumours circulating. And whats everybodys opinion on it? is it right to leave your "smaller clubs" in search of senior hurling?

hardybuck · 20-11-2014 1:28pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Looking at Harty cup results the last few weeks, it hasn't been going well for the Waterford colleges.
Blackwater beaten 3-3 to 2-15 by Thurles and DLS hammered 0-6 to 5-11 by Colmans yesterday.
DLS bottom of their group and both Blackwater and Dungarvan second from bottom, all unlikely to make the knock out stages.

Should this be cause for concern or is it worth reading too much into? I just don't think it's any coincidence that our strong minor teams the last few years were backboned by really good Harty teams. I suppose these things happen in cycles and those teams had many outstanding players (Curran's, Bennett's et al) but who would be the standout players from this years Harty teams that will make up the county minor team for 2015?

I'd be particularly concerned by DLS' form. Going from winning the All Ireland two years in a row to bottom of the Munster group getting hammerings in 6-7 years is a dramatic change. While you might explain it in a smaller school, DLS should have a consistent supply of players.

Who is coaching the teams currently? Is it McGrath and Dooley still or have one or both moved on?

wreckless if true · 20-11-2014 3:46pm

How are the nire going in preperation for the munster final? I have heard they are flying by all accounts and who can blame them after two magnificent victories. Cratloe brought dr crokes into extra time last year in the munster semi final last year only to lose by a point or two, and the nire beat cratloe, so on this basis you could make an arguement that the nire might be slight favourites. thoughts on this anyone?

Deise_2012 · 20-11-2014 8:47pm

wreckless if true wrote: »

How are the nire going in preperation for the munster final? I have heard they are flying by all accounts and who can blame them after two magnificent victories. Cratloe brought dr crokes into extra time last year in the munster semi final last year only to lose by a point or two, and the nire beat cratloe, so on this basis you could make an arguement that the nire might be slight favourites. thoughts on this anyone?

The Cratloe game was 4 days ago... They've had at most 1 training session which was probably a warm down. I'm sure they're "flying by all account

Mountainlad · 20-11-2014 8:49pm

thegambler2 wrote: »

Anybody have any info on how the transfer market is looking this winter for waterford clubs? heard a few rumours circulating. And whats everybodys opinion on it? is it right to leave your "smaller clubs" in search of senior hurling?

Very controversial, Mount Sion are planning on bidding €15 million for Paudie Mahony. They'll have to come with a much increased bid though as Ballygunner say they won't sell for less than €85 million.

Deise_2012 · 20-11-2014 8:54pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Very controversial, Mount Sion are planning on bidding €15 million for Paudie Mahony. They'll have to come with a much increased bid though as Ballygunner say they won't sell for less than €85 million.

Rumours on twitter that DLS are trying to hijack the deal, €70 million plus Jack Kennedy. Dunno if the gunners can refuse this

Mountainlad · 20-11-2014 8:56pm

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Rumours on twitter that DLS are trying to hijack the deal, €70 million plus Jack Kennedy. Dunno if the gunners can refuse this

I hear WLR are bringing Jim White over to cover the ongoing saga.

Deise_2012 · 20-11-2014 8:59pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

I hear WLR are bringing Jim White over to cover the ongoing saga.

Looking forward to deadline day, Tomas Mccarthy and Gavin Whelan standing outside the ballygunner gates looking for any sign of movement towards the deal!

The blue blaa · 20-11-2014 9:13pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I'd be particularly concerned by DLS' form. Going from winning the All Ireland two years in a row to bottom of the Munster group getting hammerings in 6-7 years is a dramatic change. While you might explain it in a smaller school, DLS should have a consistent supply of players.

Who is coaching the teams currently? Is it McGrath and Dooley still or have one or both moved on?

Kevin Moran & Jonathan Moore (Abbeyside) both looking after the Harty in DLS College, the players they have at their expense they definitely should not be bottom of the group and getting hammered like yesterday, Passage Ballygunner & De La Salle all in top 4 (semi finals) of the minor championship won by Dungarvan feeding them aided by the south kilkenny lads an 1 or 2 more city clubs. There is one lad he's U15 young Thomas Douglas or Tonto as he is better known he's a fella showing a lot of promise as long as he's looked after and not burnt out from playing too much

thegambler2 · 20-11-2014 9:13pm

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Looking forward to deadline day, Tomas Mccarthy and Gavin Whelan standing outside the ballygunner gates looking for any sign of movement towards the deal!

By far my favourite post on this thread! hahaha
I think the two of them may have the go further west to get to see some deals though!!

thegambler2 · 20-11-2014 9:16pm

The blue blaa wrote: »

Kevin Moran & Jonathan Moore (Abbeyside) both looking after the Harty in DLS College, the players they have at their expense they definitely should not be bottom of the group and getting hammered like yesterday, Passage Ballygunner & De La Salle all in top 4 (semi finals) of the minor championship won by Dungarvan feeding them aided by the south kilkenny lads an 1 or 2 more city clubs. There is one lad he's U15 young Thomas Douglas or Tonto as he is better known he's a fella showing a lot of promise as long as he's looked after and not burnt out from playing too much

Heard about that young fella, always hearing about him putting up massive scores! Lets hope he can still do it when all the other young fellas get to his size!

The blue blaa · 20-11-2014 9:19pm

thegambler2 wrote: »

Heard about that young fella, always hearing about him putting up massive scores! Lets hope he can still do it when all the other young fellas get to his size!

He was arguably the best player for De La Salle in minor final against Dungarvan so hopefully he drives on

cookey123 · 21-11-2014 9:30am

Rumour has it ballygunner wont be selling players but possibly getting 2 in on "free" transfers

Jarjohn · 22-11-2014 3:44pm

Munster Club Int Hurling Final Cappoquin 0-8 Bruff 0-9 h/t in Mallow

Mountainlad · 22-11-2014 4:45pm

Cappoquin Munster Club Intermediate champions on a scoreline of 1-11 to 0-13. Well done to all involved.

Waterford club hurling teams have never been stronger as a whole. Do agree that Ballygunner aren't the team they were or Mouunt Sion were at the start of the last decade but still a good team and there's plenty of good teams around.

I don't doubt that the structure of Intermediate and particularly Junior hurling in the County could be improved but nonetheless the exposure young lads from a variety of different clubs are getting on County teams is greatly benefiting us.

Slobbery · 23-11-2014 10:34am

Mountainlad wrote: »

Cappoquin Munster Club Intermediate champions on a scoreline of 1-11 to 0-13. Well done to all involved.

Waterford club hurling teams have never been stronger as a whole. Do agree that Ballygunner aren't the team they were or Mouunt Sion were at the start of the last decade but still a good team and there's plenty of good teams around.

I don't doubt that the structure of Intermediate and particularly Junior hurling in the County could be improved but nonetheless the exposure young lads from a variety of different clubs are getting on County teams is greatly benefiting us.

It was a year of comebacks for Cappoquin, surely they will do ok senior next year?

Any of their players worth looking at for the county panel?

cornerboy · 23-11-2014 11:17am

Slobbery wrote: »

It was a year of comebacks for Cappoquin, surely they will do ok senior next year?

Any of their players worth looking at for the county panel?

Conor Murray.......outstanding at centre back

Mountainlad · 23-11-2014 12:03pm

I know we've had the Shane O Rourke discussion but surely given our lack of forwards they need to at least try him.

cornerboy · 23-11-2014 12:34pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

I know we've had the Shane O Rourke discussion but surely given our lack of forwards they need to at least try him.

Senior county hurling is all about pace........he doesnt have that ingredient, may wel lbe found out at senior club.

Cute Hoore · 23-11-2014 4:07pm

Huge Congratulations to Cappoquin Affane GAA.

Deisegodeo · 23-11-2014 5:58pm

Ballygunner beat Dungarvan by 7 points in the u21 county final today, something like 2-11 to 0-10. Even allowing for the poor state of the pitch, this was a poor enough game with lots of errors and poor striking and shooting. The Gunners deserved the win which was built on a very solid defence but clearly Dungarvan missed Daly and Lyons, while Ryan Donnelly showed bits of real class but wasnt fully fit. With those 3 fully fit this might have been a different game.

Congrats to Cappaquinn on their great victory in the Munster final.

TheScoringGoal · 23-11-2014 8:07pm

Is Peter Hogan minor again next year? Easily the best player on the pitch today. To be fair to Curran and Donnelly they had poor supply into them but both hit good scores at times

TheScoringGoal · 23-11-2014 8:08pm

Is Peter Hogan minor again next year? Easily the best player on the pitch today. To be fair to Curran and Donnelly they had poor supply into them but both hit good scores at times

Jarjohn · 23-11-2014 9:06pm

cornerboy wrote: »

Senior county hurling is all about pace

Far from it. Can be useful but if a fella can pick off scores in a forward line I'd take him any day. What about a fella that has a great hand and great striker of a ball off both sides. Dismiss him because its all about pace? Ive seen plenty of lads with pace but cant field a ball and striking piss poor when they get in great positions.

cul beag · 24-11-2014 2:16am

Jarjohn wrote: »

Far from it. Can be useful but if a fella can pick off scores in a forward line I'd take him any day. What about a fella that has a great hand and great striker of a ball off both sides. Dismiss him because its all about pace? Ive seen plenty of lads with pace but cant field a ball and striking piss poor when they get in great positions.

No disputing Shane O Rourke's ability but its a huge step up to inter county where the pace of hurling would be 10 times faster than what he has been playing. But I suppose you can use the likes of the Prendergasts,eoin Murphy,jack Kennedy(before he moved to DLS)as examples of players that made the switch to this level comfortably but I do think he would have to get into better physical shape if he was to be considered. I suppose there has been worse players tried out down through the years so to be fair to him if he was willing to work on the physical side he could be considered. Cappoquin wouldn't be county and Munster champions without him that's for sure.

Orizio · 24-11-2014 7:48am

Jarjohn wrote: »

Far from it. Can be useful but if a fella can pick off scores in a forward line I'd take him any day. What about a fella that has a great hand and great striker of a ball off both sides. Dismiss him because its all about pace? Ive seen plenty of lads with pace but cant field a ball and striking piss poor when they get in great positions.

Name a slow inter-county hurler that plays for a major hurling county.

Cian McCarthy is head and shoulders the best half-forward in club hurling in Cork. Why doesn't he start or even make the Cork panel? Zero pace.

cul beag · 24-11-2014 8:40am

Just wondering how Archie Knox is feeling this morning? 16k to win a western title!!!

Sliabh gCua1 · 24-11-2014 11:39am

cornerboy wrote: »

Senior county hurling is all about pace.........

Its attatutes like that here in Waterford is holding us back. Some seem to think that you have to be a fast player to get on the teams and be successful. Its no good having a team where everyone does the same thing the same way. You have to have players involved who offer different things. Seamus Prendergast or Stephen Molumphy never put up what you would call big scores in games for Waterford ( i know they got there 2 or 3 points) yet they won many games for Waterford doing what others were not doing.

Mountainlad · 24-11-2014 12:17pm

Orizio wrote: »

Name a slow inter-county hurler that plays for a major hurling county.

Cian McCarthy is head and shoulders the best half-forward in club hurling in Cork. Why doesn't he start or even make the Cork panel? Zero pace.

Noel McGrath

Orizio · 24-11-2014 1:04pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Noel McGrath

Good example of a lad who by and large doesn't pull his weight in the big games because he is too slow to work hard. For all his natural talent had only one really good game last year. In general was a lot more impressive when he first came on the scene compared to now.

Luckily for him, like Horgan and Canning, he is undroppable regardless of his form.

Mountainlad · 24-11-2014 1:13pm

Orizio wrote: »

Good example of a lad who by and large doesn't pull his weight in the big games because he is too slow to work hard. For all his natural talent had only one really good game last year. In general was a lot more impressive when he first came on the scene compared to now.

Luckily for him, like Horgan and Canning, he is undroppable regardless of his form.

Would agree but I think his biggest obstacle is strength and commitment to winning dirty ball. He just doesn't have that, needs space or hes at nothing. Mind you, Paudie Walsh ate him for 20 minutes in the drawn game and after that I though he was Tipps best forward (though not saying a lot).

Pace is definitely important but I wouldn't necessarily write off a player if hes a bit slower. I think he's worth trying given the lack of forwards we have at the minute, certainly don't see the harm in it.

OldBoro · 24-11-2014 1:52pm

cul beag wrote: »

Just wondering how Archie Knox is feeling this morning? 16k to win a western title!!!

Seriously get you facts right before you go making stupid statements.

thegambler2 · 24-11-2014 7:41pm

OldBoro wrote: »

Seriously get you facts right before you go making stupid statements.

Dungarvan will only get stronger in coming years, expect them to win a county soon, especially with the players they are recruiting

cul beag · 24-11-2014 10:58pm

OldBoro wrote: »

Seriously get you facts right before you go making stupid statements.

Sorry was I wrong? Is it closer to 20k is that what you're trying to tell me!!

3ships · 24-11-2014 11:22pm

I had not realized Cappaquin were such outsiders to win on Saturday. Congrats and thanks for bringing a trophy back to the Deise. I wonder did the Cornerstone lads put money on em last week at 18-1 to win the All Ireland. They are now 7-2 as Munster champions would be favorites to beat O Donovan Rossa in the semi. The history between Antrim and Waterford Club sides would suggest its hardly a foregone conclusion (besides the Northeners have a decent U16 team #only messing but not really).

Cappaquins involvement in the Club Championship precludes their better players from being involved in the winter challenge games and Waterford Crystal Cup. So the opportunity for a Murray and O Rourke and others to wear a county jersey anytime soon is unlikely. Fintan O Connor would have a good idea whose capable anyway. Also I was not aware previously of Fintan O Connor's involvement in the WIT Fitzgibbon win last Feb so fair play to him.

One other thing, did anyone else shout for Kilmallock yesterday in the hope that 3 of Limerick's best players would not be available for the league game in February

Mountainlad · 24-11-2014 11:25pm

3ships wrote: »

I had not realized Cappaquin were such outsiders to win on Saturday. Congrats and thanks for bringing a trophy back to the Deise. I wonder did the Cornerstone lads put money on em last week at 18-1 to win the All Ireland. They are now 7-2 as Munster champions would be favorites to beat O Donovan Rossa in the semi. The history between Antrim and Waterford Club sides would suggest its hardly a foregone conclusion (besides the Northeners have a decent U16 team #only messing but not really).

Cappaquins involvement in the Club Championship precludes their better players from being involved in the winter challenge games and Waterford Crystal Cup. So the opportunity for a Murray and O Rourke and others to wear a county jersey anytime soon is unlikely. Fintan O Connor would have a good idea whose capable anyway. Also I was not aware previously of Fintan O Connor's involvement in the WIT Fitzgibbon win last Feb so fair play to him.

One other thing, did anyone else shout for Kilmallock yesterday in the hope that 3 of Limerick's best players would not be available for the league game in February

Didn't even think of it. Also forgot O'Connor was involved with Bonnar in WIT this year.

Cake Man · 25-11-2014 7:31am

Didn't think of that either, we'll take it. Will still be a tough place to go and get a result but if we're to get back to Div 1, we'd need to get results in Limerick and Wexford.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if the extended lay off for many of our players will be beneficial for next season. By the time the lads go back into preseason and Crystal cup, nearly all of them will have gone a few months without much if any game time. Even at that it will only have been club and maybe a few college games. Hopefully the break will allow them to come back fresh for 2015.

hardybuck · 25-11-2014 3:03pm

3ships wrote: »

One other thing, did anyone else shout for Kilmallock yesterday in the hope that 3 of Limerick's best players would not be available for the league game in February

Gavin O'Mahony is suspended for his club, can he tog out for the county? I think there used to be a way of playing club if you were serving an intercounty suspension - maybe they've done away with that.

eastwestlad · 25-11-2014 4:38pm

Ballyvoile Boy wrote: »

All clubs were sent a text on 19th September inviting all players whjo will be minor next year to training. I asked our club secretary as my youngest brother is that age and he showed me the text, it came from John Quinn below in the city.

For the record, Tim Lenahan is very popular with the players I hear and I know Oran Curran from last year also involved. They played 4 matches in an U17 tournament recently in Munster and all players who wanted to be there were looked at.

And before you go there, I'm not Tim or Oran and I don't even know Tim to see to be honest, but the young lads coming back with good reports. A lot of the lads you refer to above played and were looked at during the U17 tournament. I don't doubt your passion, but its important to get the facts right. If players didn't get word of training then they might want to ask their clubs why not.

I am aware of this as Balinacourty club sec was sent this but it wasn't an open training session as only Conor Prunty/John Elsted/David Looby and Ronan Mansfield were allowed go to the training because the first 3 were county minor last year and Mansfield was u16. Not any minor was allowed attend. As Luke O Connor who was on holidays at the time of u17 training wasn't able to go. There are certain players on that panel who don't deserve to be there in fairness. They reason they are on it and everyone knows it's with a lot of players, they peaked early around u13 and other players take time. But if your telling me that Carthach Barry who started in the western/county final and Munster semi final for Brickey rangers at corner back, and was one of the best on the day doesn't deserve to start for county why does someone who came through u16 and u17 do but yet they have never once even made the bench of there intermediate/senior team. I get the idea of given them a shot but when it comes to show I'll go with the lads who have experience playing intermediate/senior football compared to the lads who played u16/17 county because playing intermediate/senior club football is around county minor standard.

From what I heard about four Brickey boys, I heard in the local a few weeks ago off someone who has played with these lads and it is, Carthach Barry last year choose county hurling, Maurice Daly never went to any trial however he was dragged up to the u16 tournament cause they realised his ability however Maurice plays East Munster rugby, Cathal Curran choose u16 hurling and Paul Whelan had the bone come out of his knee at 14 and missed 1 and half years but returned last year. All of these boys have said to the man I talked too that they would play and train if invited but weren't invited because they didn't play u16. Yet next year Barry will be centre back, Curran Wing back, and Daly and Whelan Midfield. In division 1 football in Waterford and two midfielders and and a centre back of a div 1 side are left out of the panel simply down to not playing u16/17 county. But yet Barry and Whelan who played intermediate this year are left out and have experience against big players compared to people who have only ever minor football. Not many are Barry's speed Daly's strength or Whelan's height/catch/kicking (about 6ft 3/4)

Is the purpose of there being a county having the best 15 on the field? Well already I say only about 10 of the 15 in minor are on the panel. There are other players neglected, Sean Crotty of Dungarvan who is again a midfielder in div 1 football who is 6ft 1 neglected. Even my own Club man Cormac Dwyer, abit lazy, but an incredibly skill full player, he may not start. But when the courty football centre back ain't in the panel there is something wrong. People need to tell the likes of Tim Lenihan and his backroom staff of these players. A Munster title isn't far from reach, it will take a lot of work, and money needs to be put into physically building some if these players. But it is possible, Waterford will never have a better chance at a Munster Title.

It will be another unfortunate year if already 5 of 15 aren't even been looked at that should be starting. There a few on the panel from ye east from what I heard however none are near the standard really, if you look at the teams in div 1 really only two are from the east. I am pretty sure this is div 1 football next year:
1) Balinacourty
2) Brickey Rangers
3) DLS
4) Dungarvan
5) The Nire
6) Stradbally
7) Gaultier
8) Spot playoff

I heard seeing as Clashmore (although they win div 2 last year) lost a lot of players there will be a playoff between the top four teams of div 2 last year, Rathgormack, St. Oliver's, Cois Bride, Clashmore. As you can see little eastern teams in div 1 despite there big pool of players and that's all down too them not bothered with football. And smaller western teams with small pools of players they go farther.

Soz again for the very long post.

hardybuck · 25-11-2014 6:10pm

eastwestlad wrote: »

There a few on the panel from ye east from what I heard however none are near the standard really, if you look at the teams in div 1 really only two are from the east. I am pretty sure this is div 1 football next year:
1) Balinacourty
2) Brickey Rangers
3) DLS
4) Dungarvan
5) The Nire
6) Stradbally
7) Gaultier
8) Spot playoff

I heard seeing as Clashmore (although they win div 2 last year) lost a lot of players there will be a playoff between the top four teams of div 2 last year, Rathgormack, St. Oliver's, Cois Bride, Clashmore. As you can see little eastern teams in div 1 despite there big pool of players and that's all down too them not bothered with football. And smaller western teams with small pools of players they go farther.

Just in relation to the east, yeah some of it will definitely come down to dedication. However, from experience I know that having an eastern based selector (ideally from one of the better clubs at that age group) is a very good idea. Not only will they help ensure that the best players down that neck of the woods are identified, something as small as having a selector organise transport can go a long way.

We've seen on the senior panel that as soon as they appoint someone from the east on the selection team suddenly you have representation from that end of the county.

3ships · 25-11-2014 7:32pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Gavin O'Mahony is suspended for his club, can he tog out for the county? I think there used to be a way of playing club if you were serving an intercounty suspension - maybe they've done away with that.

Not sure about that but the Portaferry game is on Feb 7th so if they lose the Kilmallock lads will be back for the League if they, as expected, win they won't be back till after Paddy's Day

thegambler2 · 25-11-2014 8:23pm

eastwestlad wrote: »

I am aware of this as Balinacourty club sec was sent this but it wasn't an open training session as only Conor Prunty/John Elsted/David Looby and Ronan Mansfield were allowed go to the training because the first 3 were county minor last year and Mansfield was u16. Not any minor was allowed attend. As Luke O Connor who was on holidays at the time of u17 training wasn't able to go. There are certain players on that panel who don't deserve to be there in fairness. They reason they are on it and everyone knows it's with a lot of players, they peaked early around u13 and other players take time. But if your telling me that Carthach Barry who started in the western/county final and Munster semi final for Brickey rangers at corner back, and was one of the best on the day doesn't deserve to start for county why does someone who came through u16 and u17 do but yet they have never once even made the bench of there intermediate/senior team. I get the idea of given them a shot but when it comes to show I'll go with the lads who have experience playing intermediate/senior football compared to the lads who played u16/17 county because playing intermediate/senior club football is around county minor standard.

From what I heard about four Brickey boys, I heard in the local a few weeks ago off someone who has played with these lads and it is, Carthach Barry last year choose county hurling, Maurice Daly never went to any trial however he was dragged up to the u16 tournament cause they realised his ability however Maurice plays East Munster rugby, Cathal Curran choose u16 hurling and Paul Whelan had the bone come out of his knee at 14 and missed 1 and half years but returned last year. All of these boys have said to the man I talked too that they would play and train if invited but weren't invited because they didn't play u16. Yet next year Barry will be centre back, Curran Wing back, and Daly and Whelan Midfield. In division 1 football in Waterford and two midfielders and and a centre back of a div 1 side are left out of the panel simply down to not playing u16/17 county. But yet Barry and Whelan who played intermediate this year are left out and have experience against big players compared to people who have only ever minor football. Not many are Barry's speed Daly's strength or Whelan's height/catch/kicking (about 6ft 3/4)

Is the purpose of there being a county having the best 15 on the field? Well already I say only about 10 of the 15 in minor are on the panel. There are other players neglected, Sean Crotty of Dungarvan who is again a midfielder in div 1 football who is 6ft 1 neglected. Even my own Club man Cormac Dwyer, abit lazy, but an incredibly skill full player, he may not start. But when the courty football centre back ain't in the panel there is something wrong. People need to tell the likes of Tim Lenihan and his backroom staff of these players. A Munster title isn't far from reach, it will take a lot of work, and money needs to be put into physically building some if these players. But it is possible, Waterford will never have a better chance at a Munster Title.

It will be another unfortunate year if already 5 of 15 aren't even been looked at that should be starting. There a few on the panel from ye east from what I heard however none are near the standard really, if you look at the teams in div 1 really only two are from the east. I am pretty sure this is div 1 football next year:
1) Balinacourty
2) Brickey Rangers
3) DLS
4) Dungarvan
5) The Nire
6) Stradbally
7) Gaultier
8) Spot playoff

I heard seeing as Clashmore (although they win div 2 last year) lost a lot of players there will be a playoff between the top four teams of div 2 last year, Rathgormack, St. Oliver's, Cois Bride, Clashmore. As you can see little eastern teams in div 1 despite there big pool of players and that's all down too them not bothered with football. And smaller western teams with small pools of players they go farther.

Soz again for the very long post.

Are you getting money for each Brickey player on the minor panel?

The blue blaa · 25-11-2014 9:16pm

eastwestlad wrote: »

I am aware of this as Balinacourty club sec was sent this but it wasn't an open training session as only Conor Prunty/John Elsted/David Looby and Ronan Mansfield were allowed go to the training because the first 3 were county minor last year and Mansfield was u16. Not any minor was allowed attend. As Luke O Connor who was on holidays at the time of u17 training wasn't able to go. There are certain players on that panel who don't deserve to be there in fairness. They reason they are on it and everyone knows it's with a lot of players, they peaked early around u13 and other players take time. But if your telling me that Carthach Barry who started in the western/county final and Munster semi final for Brickey rangers at corner back, and was one of the best on the day doesn't deserve to start for county why does someone who came through u16 and u17 do but yet they have never once even made the bench of there intermediate/senior team. I get the idea of given them a shot but when it comes to show I'll go with the lads who have experience playing intermediate/senior football compared to the lads who played u16/17 county because playing intermediate/senior club football is around county minor standard.

From what I heard about four Brickey boys, I heard in the local a few weeks ago off someone who has played with these lads and it is, Carthach Barry last year choose county hurling, Maurice Daly never went to any trial however he was dragged up to the u16 tournament cause they realised his ability however Maurice plays East Munster rugby, Cathal Curran choose u16 hurling and Paul Whelan had the bone come out of his knee at 14 and missed 1 and half years but returned last year. All of these boys have said to the man I talked too that they would play and train if invited but weren't invited because they didn't play u16. Yet next year Barry will be centre back, Curran Wing back, and Daly and Whelan Midfield. In division 1 football in Waterford and two midfielders and and a centre back of a div 1 side are left out of the panel simply down to not playing u16/17 county. But yet Barry and Whelan who played intermediate this year are left out and have experience against big players compared to people who have only ever minor football. Not many are Barry's speed Daly's strength or Whelan's height/catch/kicking (about 6ft 3/4)

Is the purpose of there being a county having the best 15 on the field? Well already I say only about 10 of the 15 in minor are on the panel. There are other players neglected, Sean Crotty of Dungarvan who is again a midfielder in div 1 football who is 6ft 1 neglected. Even my own Club man Cormac Dwyer, abit lazy, but an incredibly skill full player, he may not start. But when the courty football centre back ain't in the panel there is something wrong. People need to tell the likes of Tim Lenihan and his backroom staff of these players. A Munster title isn't far from reach, it will take a lot of work, and money needs to be put into physically building some if these players. But it is possible, Waterford will never have a better chance at a Munster Title.

It will be another unfortunate year if already 5 of 15 aren't even been looked at that should be starting. There a few on the panel from ye east from what I heard however none are near the standard really, if you look at the teams in div 1 really only two are from the east. I am pretty sure this is div 1 football next year:
1) Balinacourty
2) Brickey Rangers
3) DLS
4) Dungarvan
5) The Nire
6) Stradbally
7) Gaultier
8) Spot playoff

I heard seeing as Clashmore (although they win div 2 last year) lost a lot of players there will be a playoff between the top four teams of div 2 last year, Rathgormack, St. Oliver's, Cois Bride, Clashmore. As you can see little eastern teams in div 1 despite there big pool of players and that's all down too them not bothered with football. And smaller western teams with small pools of players they go farther.

Soz again for the very long post.

If that is Sean Crotty the former Abbeyside lad who joined Dungarvan this year, he's still U16 next season and I'm almost certain there's a new rule stating county minors must be U17 or else upto the age to be eligible to play i remember being told this recently. Someone else may confirm this..

The blue blaa · 25-11-2014 9:47pm

Can anyone help me here? Do the county board sell season tickets for entry to all club games in waterford and are the national league games included aswell? Christmas present for the old man sorted if they do.

Sliabh gCua1 · 25-11-2014 11:16pm

This players must come from clubs playing Division one is a joke.

I remember going to a meeting 11 or 12 years ago, and a then selector with a intercounty panel stood up and said that there would only be division one players in the panel. However he and the other selectors on that team quickly learned that they could not get 26 players (the county board were fairly stricked on it at the time, in football anyway), he and the other selectors not only had to go looking at players that played in division two competitions for a year or two previous with their club to get the best players available, they also had division three players and maybe even had one or two division four players.

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