Greystones

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 2:35pm #1

Anybody got any views/opinions on this development? 3 houses for sale which would only have been bought last year. Any problems or issues in the development? And is there social housing in it? I'm not judging, just asking.

I'm planning a move and it's always the best way to get information directly from source. I've a belly full of E.As at this point.

Thanks

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 2:36pm

Sorry, this should read: Marina Village Greystones

mariaalice · 08-03-2019 4:12pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Sorry, this should read: Marina Village Greystones

They are trying to flip them I would think, they could have brought off plan and are hoping to make a bit, try and find out what the development was launched at and compare the price they are asking now.

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 4:20pm

mariaalice wrote: »

They are trying to flip them I would think, they could have brought off plan and are hoping to make a bit, try and find out what the development was launched at and compare the price they are asking now.

They were bought on and around 500k, asking 650k.

Creamy Goodness · 08-03-2019 4:24pm

Don't think there's social around them but they'll have the usual minimum 10%, I don't know the area very well but I feel like they were overpriced even for Greystones. The development backs on to the dart line which could annoy some, also they're right on the harbour, I'd worry about the erosion there as the area was quite prone to it going back a few years.

mariaalice · 08-03-2019 4:27pm

seasidedub wrote: »

They were bought on and around 500k, asking 650k.

Well, there is your answer.

Sweet.Science · 08-03-2019 4:32pm

seasidedub wrote: »

They were bought on and around 500k, asking 650k.

Not a bad house to get from the council :eek:

mariaalice · 08-03-2019 4:35pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Not a bad house to get from the council :eek:

I am not sure about this but I think they did some sort of deal with the council so there may be no social housing in the development.

loyatemu · 08-03-2019 4:37pm

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Don't think there's social around them but they'll have the usual minimum 10%, I don't know the area very well but I feel like they were overpriced even for Greystones. The development backs on to the dart line which could annoy some, also they're right on the harbour, I'd worry about the erosion there as the area was quite prone to it going back a few years.

they're all within the Harbour development and behind the walls and rock armour so should be OK from an erosion point of view. Of course if sea levels rise dramatically, all bets are off.

Creamy Goodness · 08-03-2019 4:41pm

I hadn't thought of that, was thinking more about the multiple projects over the last 10-15 years to stop erosion around bray head/harbour redevelopment etc.

but yeah if the level rises you'd have an expensive aquarium of a house :pac:

cunnifferous · 08-03-2019 5:11pm

Overpriced tbh. Similar houses in other developments in Greystones going for 100 to 150k less.

Sure your right on the sea but most of the houses have absolutely no view of it because it's so overdeveloped. Also you might want to consider that you'll have quite a lot of people passing through doing the cliff walk which could be a bit of an annoyance.

No anti social behaviour or anything as far as I'm aware though.

loyatemu · 08-03-2019 5:29pm

cunnifferous wrote: »

Sure your right on the sea but most of the houses have absolutely no view of it because it's so overdeveloped. Also you might want to consider that you'll have quite a lot of people passing through doing the cliff walk which could be a bit of an annoyance.

currently the Cliff Walk goes through the estate because of the apartment construction work, when everything is finished the walk will be redirected along the marina boardwalk.

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 5:44pm

Appreciate the answers- was not keen on the Marina Village, was bidding on a gorgeous little jewel close to Ladies Cove. Went up 200k. Someone is going to pay 765k for 120m2 with basically a patio so no room to extend and will be massively overlooked by the la Touche redevelopment. So Greystones seems to be the in place. Gutted. Ah well.

loyatemu · 08-03-2019 6:09pm

look at the older estates around the town. That sort of money would get you somewhere in Hillside, Heathervue, Rathdown Park with money left over to renovate and modernise.

cunnifferous · 08-03-2019 6:14pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Appreciate the answers- was not keen on the Marina Village, was bidding on a gorgeous little jewel close to Ladies Cove. Went up 200k. Someone is going to pay 765k for 120m2 with basically a patio so no room to extend and will be massively overlooked by the la Touche redevelopment. So Greystones seems to be the in place. Gutted. Ah well.

I know the house you're talking about. If someone is willing to pay 765k for that good look to them!

For 200k less than that, like the previous poster mentioned, you will get a lot in greystones even with the current eye-watering prices.

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 6:18pm

cunnifferous wrote: »

I know the house you're talking about. If someone is willing to pay 765k for that good look to them!

For 200k less than that, like the previous poster mentioned, you will get a lot in greystones even with the current eye-watering prices.

E.A. phoned 765k cash buyer. Wow.

el Fenomeno · 08-03-2019 6:19pm

seasidedub wrote: »

E.A. phoned 765k cash buyer. Wow.

Insanity.

mariaalice · 08-03-2019 6:22pm

cunnifferous wrote: »

I know the house you're talking about. If someone is willing to pay 765k for that good look to them!

For 200k less than that, like the previous poster mentioned, you will get a lot in greystones even with the current eye-watering prices.

Its not comparing like with like anything unique, interesting, cottage(ie) and fairly central will attract a premium in Greystones. A collage of my sister is renting in Greystones and they will not buy in an estate they are waiting for the right house. Even in the 1980s, it was like that.

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 6:26pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Its not comparing like with like anything unique, interesting, cottage(ie) and fairly central will attract a premium in Greystones. A collage of my sister is renting in Greystones and they will not buy in an estate they are waiting for the right house.

Yes. I was willing to pay a premium for an interesting, unusual place, but 765k is an awful lot, bear in mind cannot be extended and will be completely overlooked. The back balconies of the la Touche redevelopment are practically in the garden/patio thing. But it had.....something.....

antiskeptic · 08-03-2019 6:30pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Anybody got any views/opinions on this development? 3 houses for sale which would only have been bought last year. Any problems or issues in the development? And is there social housing in it? I'm not judging, just asking.

I'm planning a move and it's always the best way to get information directly from source. I've a belly full of E.As at this point.

Thanks

Unless your familiar with Greystones, I'd take a long, hard look at any car commute your planning in and out onto the N11. It's one of the reasons Bray is outperforming similar "societal-level" estates in Greystones

I've not been much down there but when I was down there it struck me as typical modern high-density/concrete jungle. Everything is man-made materials. How this will hold up price wise is open to question. Take Saran Wood in Bray: similar high density/friend can't find a car park space when they visit kind of place. Houses there do far worse price wise than similar size, "societal-level" houses around - simply because that packed-in life grates

Quite why anyone would buy a house right beside the sea, when even corporate media is like a voice crying out in the wilderness regarding impending sea-level prospects ... is simply beyond me. Read anything on Artic ice and the impact on sea levels of even single glaciers sliding into the sea.

Put it this way: if someone offered me a property down there as a fixed 20 year investment, at half the current selling price, I wouldn't take it. Value could be completely wiped out in a heartbeat - with even with a single, far-less-than-catastrophic event. All it takes is for the masses to turn in the direction to what all the scientists are saying is on top of us already ... and you might as well be selling a house near Cherynobl.

There's a good chipper on the road in though. Best in Greystones.

I live on a hill

seasidedub · 08-03-2019 6:39pm

antiskeptic wrote: »

Unless your familiar with Greystones, I'd take a long, hard look at any car commute your planning in and out onto the N11. It's one of the reasons Bray is outperforming similar "societal-level" estates

I've not been much down there but when I was down there it struck me as typical modern high-density/concrete jungle. Everything is man-made materials. How this will hold up price wise is open to question. Take Saran Wood in Bray: similar high density/friend can't find a car park space when they visit kind of place. Houses there do far worse price wise than similar size, "societal-level" houses around - simply because that packed-in life grates

Quiet why anyone would buy a house right beside the sea, when even corporate media is like a voice crying out in the wilderness regarding impending sea-level prospects ... is simply beyond me. Put it this way: if someone offered a property down there as a fixed 20 year investment at half the current selling price I wouldn't take it.

I live on a hill

I know all about the commute - have similar. But have tweaked my hours accordingly. Lucky to be able to. It's just my big pleasure in life is sea swimming, I'm boring otherwise- and to pop out the gate and into the sea would be bliss. You reckon the Marina is a no no?

mariaalice · 08-03-2019 6:42pm

seasidedub wrote: »

I know all about the commute - have similar. But have tweaked my hours accordingly. Lucky to be able to. It's just my big pleasure in life is sea swimming, I'm boring otherwise- and to pop out the gate and into the sea would be bliss. You reckon the Marina is a no no?

You will love it if it works out, of a summers evening lots go swimming after work I have seen someone get off the Dart go to the beach take off the work clothes and go swimming.

antiskeptic · 08-03-2019 6:51pm

seasidedub wrote: »

It's just my big pleasure in life is sea swimming, I'm boring otherwise- and to pop out the gate and into the sea would be bliss. You reckon the Marina is a no no?

I fully understand amenity proximity. Somewhere on the sea for a keen sea swimmer, well, that couldn't be but heaven.

But its not the tea leaf readers pointing at sea-level rises, it's the body science. And they are screaming at the top of their voices.

Buying on sea strikes me as head in the sand.

Edit: I'm reminded of the point in The Big Short were one of the protagonists stands up mid-head-in-sand-seminar, and says "zero". That's how much houses-on-sea would be worth if anything sea level kicks off.

Its not as if you can't live very close to the sea on a hill. Heck, the sea might even come to you.

Box09 · 11-03-2019 11:06pm

Wouldn't like to live there. Most of the houses are very small, no sense of space around the area, traffic issues, potential flooding and insurance issues. Not to mention very overpriced. Greystones is also rapidly losing its soul and is overated.

Stallingrad · 12-03-2019 11:57am

The Marina Village houses look attractive until you have to live in them. Railway to the rear, massive apartments blocking the view to the sea, over looked postage stamp gardens, limited parking, access road will very busy as it is the only way in and out for everyone. Great location but I wouldn't want to live there.

seasidedub · 12-03-2019 12:43pm

Just in case anyone's interested- that small cottage type house I was bidding on is now at 780k for 120m2, overlooked by La Touche hotel redevelopment and no room anywhere to extend. It was lovely, but 780k for 120m2?

Finally, anyone got anything good to say about the Marina Village?? Anyone?

mariaalice · 12-03-2019 12:52pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Just in case anyone's interested- that small cottage type house I was bidding on is now at 780k for 120m2, overlooked by La Touche hotel redevelopment and no room anywhere to extend. It was lovely, but 780k for 120m2?

Finally, anyone got anything good to say about the Marina Village?? Anyone?

This is a left-field suggestion and totally depends on your work and lifestyle situation but would you look at Rush lovey beach and much cheaper property.

A few good things about the Marina village it's within in a five to ten-minute walk from the Dart and a two-minute walk from the Beach house pub, any maybe a three-minute walk to the beach.

seasidedub · 12-03-2019 12:56pm

mariaalice wrote: »

This is a left-field suggestion and totally depends on your work and lifestyle situation but would you look at Rush lovey beach and much cheaper property.

A few good things about the Marina village it's within in a five to ten-minute walk from the Dart and a two-minute walk from the Beach house pub, any maybe a three-minute walk to the beach.

Thanks for this. I'm currently in a beach area of north county Dublin. I need to move and am only willing to move to the sea as I've lived by it all my life. I know Rush, Skerries etc very well, but need to go south. Can't afford Dalkey, Sandycove etc, so Greystones is the best choice. I'm used to a village atmosphere so want that too.

mariaalice · 12-03-2019 1:04pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Thanks for this. I'm currently in a beach area of north county Dublin. I need to move and am only willing to move to the sea as I've lived by it all my life. I know Rush, Skerries etc very well, but need to go south. Can't afford Dalkey, Sandycove etc, so Greystones is the best choice. I'm used to a village atmosphere so want that too.

You would also get an A rated house, personally, the lack of privacy would be an issue for me but depending on what you are used to might not be an issue for you, Greystones is a great place lots of lovely coffee shops and restaurants, walks the beach the Dart etc.

Stallingrad · 12-03-2019 1:25pm

Seagreen/Waverly a short walk from the sea, elevated so no fear of fish on your doorstep in a few years. None of the downsides of being wedged on the seafront.

C3PO · 12-03-2019 1:31pm

cunnifferous wrote: »

I know the house you're talking about. If someone is willing to pay 765k for that good look to them!

For 200k less than that, like the previous poster mentioned, you will get a lot in greystones even with the current eye-watering prices.

You can't compare that house to living in a housing estate! If I had the money I would buy it like a shot! It's a lovely house in a great location .... right in the middle of Greystones!

seasidedub · 12-03-2019 1:34pm

C3PO wrote: »

You can't compare that house to living in a housing estate! If I had the money I would buy it like a shot! It's a lovely house in a great location .... right in the middle of Greystones!

780k now. I know, it was fabulous. Unique

seasidedub · 12-03-2019 1:37pm

I saw Seagreen/Seagreen view. Still packed in up there and houses built so unimaginatively. If they had "flipped" them upside down you'd get great views from living room. But no, this is Ireland, a 3 bed semi has a formula......

C3PO · 12-03-2019 1:41pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Thanks for this. I'm currently in a beach area of north county Dublin. I need to move and am only willing to move to the sea as I've lived by it all my life. I know Rush, Skerries etc very well, but need to go south. Can't afford Dalkey, Sandycove etc, so Greystones is the best choice. I'm used to a village atmosphere so want that too.

Would this appeal .... it does to me!

https://www.daft.ie/wicklow/houses-for-sale/bray/harley-hill-strand-road-bray-wicklow-2029708/

Stallingrad · 12-03-2019 1:43pm

C3PO wrote: »

You can't compare that house to living in a housing estate! If I had the money I would buy it like a shot! It's a lovely house in a great location .... right in the middle of Greystones!

You'd have to convert to unicyle, no room to store a proper bike!

Near 800K and no bathtub. The Tiger is back!

el Fenomeno · 12-03-2019 1:54pm

Which is this house you're talking about? I see one listed on daft for 765k but not 120m2....

seasidedub · 12-03-2019 2:01pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Which is this house you're talking about? I see one listed on daft for 765k but not 120m2....

Actually 127, was on for 745, now at 780

loyatemu · 12-03-2019 2:09pm

it's a bit ramshackle but it has character, is right beside the harbour and the Beach House:
https://www.daft.ie/wicklow/houses-for-sale/greystones/bethal-terrace-trafalgar-road-greystones-wicklow-1949001/

there are several houses available in Hillside and Heathervue, both good estates with lots of families living in them and minutes walk from the beach and village.

seasidedub · 12-03-2019 2:19pm

loyatemu wrote: »

it's a bit ramshackle but it has character, is right beside the harbour and the Beach House:
https://www.daft.ie/wicklow/houses-for-sale/greystones/bethal-terrace-trafalgar-road-greystones-wicklow-1949001/

there are several houses available in Hillside and Heathervue, both good estates with lots of families living in them and minutes walk from the beach and village.

This one is a bit big and needs a lot of work but location is great. I'll look into the other areas!

C3PO · 12-03-2019 2:59pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Thanks for this. I'm currently in a beach area of north county Dublin. I need to move and am only willing to move to the sea as I've lived by it all my life. I know Rush, Skerries etc very well, but need to go south. Can't afford Dalkey, Sandycove etc, so Greystones is the best choice. I'm used to a village atmosphere so want that too.

Stallingrad wrote: »

You'd have to convert to unicyle, no room to store a proper bike!

Near 800K and no bathtub. The Tiger is back!

You obviously know me!!

recedite · 13-03-2019 4:13pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Finally, anyone got anything good to say about the Marina Village?? Anyone?

That noisy metal box in the garden - its a heat pump for the heating system. You might end up with lower fuel bills than most if gas and oil prices go up in future, but electricity remains stable. Its a fairly new technology though.

Stallingrad wrote: »

The Marina Village houses look attractive until you have to live in them. Railway to the rear, massive apartments blocking the view to the sea, over looked postage stamp gardens, limited parking, access road will very busy as it is the only way in and out for everyone. Great location but I wouldn't want to live there.

As pointed out here, you really need to check out where the high rise apartments will be relative to the house that's for sale.

13-03-2019 7:03pm

I almost bought in this development a number of years ago when the prices were around the 500K mark...thought it was a class development until I learned about the apartments and how bloody tight and on top of each other they were. How many houses will there be in total? It really put me off and since I go to greystones most weeks as i've friends living there, i am shocked how many apartments are going in and blocking those houses that once had a sea view.

There's still a number of houses (6 i think) with a direct sea view now going for over 7 figures where if money was no object, yeah go on, i'll take three! Stunning view.

For what it's worth, as a South Dublin blow in who grew up in Dublin 18 and was living in Ranelagh at the time I bought (2013/14), I ended up buying a new build in a new, small development in the outskirts of "Bray" just off the N11...exactly 10 mins away from Cabinteely Village. My kids will go to school in South Dublin and take the dart every day and i pat myself on the back with how much i've saved moving out of South Dublin back then and closer to Wicklow in general where in either parts of greystones or parts of Bray, there was serious value to be had in comparison to south dublin where the majority of suburbs are dull and overpriced Do it! Move out this way ;-).

seasidedub · 14-03-2019 2:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I almost bought in this development a number of years ago when the prices were around the 500K mark...thought it was a class development until I learned about the apartments and how bloody tight and on top of each other they were. How many houses will there be in total? It really put me off and since I go to greystones most weeks as i've friends living there, i am shocked how many apartments are going in and blocking those houses that once had a sea view.

There's still a number of houses (6 i think) with a direct sea view now going for over 7 figures where if money was no object, yeah go on, i'll take three! Stunning view.

For what it's worth, as a South Dublin blow in who grew up in Dublin 18 and was living in Ranelagh at the time I bought (2013/14), I ended up buying a new build in a new, small development in the outskirts of "Bray" just off the N11...exactly 10 mins away from Cabinteely Village. My kids will go to school in South Dublin and take the dart every day and i pat myself on the back with how much i've saved moving out of South Dublin back then and closer to Wicklow in general where in either parts of greystones or parts of Bray, there was serious value to be had in comparison to south dublin where the majority of suburbs are dull and overpriced Do it! Move out this way ;-).

I take your point, but buyers of the houses (other than the 1 million euro ones you mention) were aware from the beginning that they would not have sea views. They were told. Otherwise those houses would have been much more expensive. The apartments will be tightly packed and the management fees are almost 3k a year. I'm genuinely interested to know what you thought of the houses?

Stallingrad · 14-03-2019 2:17pm

€3K a year management fees! For an apartment in Wicklow, madness.

happyfriday74 · 14-03-2019 3:42pm

€3K a year management fees

Location has no bearing the level of management fees. Service charge is simply the cost of providing the common area services to the building broken down over the number of units.

Some buildings are configured differently than others and have different needs.

From looking at the plans I would bet hefty insurance premium given they are on the water and a big lift maintenance charge given there 7 lifts would go a long way to outlining the 3k mgt fee.

antiskeptic · 14-03-2019 5:30pm

Box09 wrote: »

Wouldn't like to live there. Most of the houses are very small, no sense of space around the area, traffic issues, potential flooding and insurance issues. Not to mention very overpriced. Greystones is also rapidly losing its soul and is overated.

My sister bought in the Rathdown estate in the late 90's. It was something like a proper village then but she hates it now having watched development pile up around the area, the harbour go and vacuous retail/coffee/expensive eateries envelop the village.

With all the new development going live (Charlesland II, The Marina) and undoubtedly coming down the tracks (on the north approaches to the town), Greystones "village" can't help but disappear down a surburban sinkhole.

antiskeptic · 14-03-2019 5:34pm

loyatemu wrote: »

it's a bit ramshackle but it has character, is right beside the harbour and the Beach House:
https://www.daft.ie/wicklow/houses-for-sale/greystones/bethal-terrace-trafalgar-road-greystones-wicklow-1949001/

That's been on for years so might be worth a lowball if you don't mind living on sea.

14-03-2019 11:46pm

seasidedub wrote: »

I take your point, but buyers of the houses (other than the 1 million euro ones you mention) were aware from the beginning that they would not have sea views. They were told. Otherwise those houses would have been much more expensive. The apartments will be tightly packed and the management fees are almost 3k a year. I'm genuinely interested to know what you thought of the houses?

Some were great. They're nice and flash looking (like a lot new builds) but a lot of them don't seem to have actual driveways or proper gardens and are now (due to developer's greed) really starting to look squashed in and on top of each other especially relative to what they cost.

I foresee one or two challenges here in the next 18-24 months with the following:

1) Parking in general - i can see pay and display and double yellow lines being implemented to curb visitor parking etc

2) Bray --> Greystones (and vice versa) cliff walk footfall - do you want to look out your window at apartments and hundreds of people walking by on a Saturday? I've started noticing signs up saying "Private, residents now live here" or something to that effect. This will start to annoy people over time.

3) Usual traffic but that's not exclusive to Greystones

In general, i'd have liked to have seen the apartments behind the houses and the houses brought forward so they get better views. That way the apartments higher up would still get sea views which a lot want.

seasidedub · 15-03-2019 8:10am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some were great. They're nice and flash looking (like a lot new builds) but a lot of them don't seem to have actual driveways or proper gardens and are now (due to developer's greed) really starting to look squashed in and on top of each other especially relative to what they cost.

I foresee one or two challenges here in the next 18-24 months with the following:
1) Parking in general - i can see pay and display and double yellow lines being implemented to curb visitor parking etc

2) Bray --> Greystones (and vice versa) cliff walk footfall - do you want to look out your window at apartments and hundreds of people walking by on a Saturday? I've started noticing signs up saying "Private, residents now live here" or something to that effect. This will start to annoy people over time.

3) Usual traffic but that's not exclusive to Greystones

In general, i'd have liked to have seen the apartments behind the houses and the houses brought forward so they get better views. That way the apartments higher up would still get sea views which a lot want.

Thanks for the input. I'm really looking to move but am from the sea and really want to stay by it. The houses look squashed due to narrow roads as in all new estates. You get A rated as the pay off. The cliff walk supposedly will be 're- routed. Apartments were always going to be in front with views. The energy rating really attracts....

antiskeptic · 15-03-2019 11:10am

The question arises as to what is coming down the tracks (and I don't mean a better Dart service!)

There's heavy development going on around Greystones, it forming a natural hub given infrastructure like town/schools/n11/dart

The 'harbour' is a key amenity. Why live beside the sea if your not going to avail of it?

It's likely that the amenity aspect will be developed further. There will be more visiting the seafront as they move into the area in any case.

What will that look like given the harbour carpark limited? If the roads are given over to the council, do you get a situation as so often the case: disc/resident parking, with the residents battling it out with amenity users.

Such is the case in the environs of Bray seafront. You don't want to get to a situation where you're sticking cones on parking spots or battling it out with folk who park on your spot irrespective of what the official position is.

There's a touch of parking/crowds Ground Zero about the area. As my sister found out, what you move into now need not stay that way

15-03-2019 5:23pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Thanks for the input. I'm really looking to move but am from the sea and really want to stay by it. The houses look squashed due to narrow roads as in all new estates. You get A rated as the pay off. The cliff walk supposedly will be 're- routed. Apartments were always going to be in front with views. The energy rating really attracts....

Go for it. I don't think you'll regret it at all. It seems to tick all your boxes :-) which is a great position to be in

Greystones

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