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CC3 -- Why I believe that a third option is needed for climate change

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  • #2252
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    What 'lunacy' exactly? Be more specific.
    I was specific, I was referring to the usual Hilary Clinton/neoliberal/Tulsi Gabbard/email server/blah blah gibberish beloved of fruitcakes nowadays, what did you think I was talking about?
    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    stop attempting to be something you are not.
    Its like talking to a chatbot, total waste of time... :confused:


  • #2253
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    What 'lunacy' exactly?
    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    aliensguyrussians.jpg?1580823999
    That lunacy.


  • #2254
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    I was specific, I was referring to the usual Hilary Clinton/neoliberal/Tulsi Gabbard/email server/blah blah gibberish beloved of fruitcakes nowadays, what did you think I was talking about?

    Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to name dropping 'Trinity College'. (loike)

    New Moon



  • #2255
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    That lunacy.

    But not this one?

    AkKtAHq.png

    Go away, bot.

    New Moon



  • #2256
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to name dropping 'Trinity College'. (loike)
    Pathetic, have a read of your recent posts if you want an example of someone with no clue, dont forget to review your infamous theories on David Attenborough penguin sadism from a few pages back while you're at it :p


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  • #2257
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Pathetic, have a read of your recent posts if you want an example of someone with no clue, dont forget to review your infamous theories on David Attenborough penguin sadism from a few pages back while you're at it :p

    Have I just been 'owned'? :eek:
















    :p

    New Moon



  • #2258
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    But not this one?

    AkKtAHq.png

    Go away, bot.
    Well yeah you could include that aswell, only people with their heads completely submerged in whatever MAGA sewer you get your news from would have the slightest clue what point you're trying to make with that though... :confused:


  • #2259
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    only people with their heads completely submerged in' whatever MAGA sewer you get your news from ld have the slightest clue what point you're trying to make with that though... :confused:

    In light of a just a very recent post of yours:
    Thargor wrote: »
    I was referring to the usual Hilary Clinton/neoliberal/Tulsi Gabbard/email server/blah blah gibberish beloved of fruitcakes nowadays, what did you think I was talking about?

    I'll let others decide exactly who really is the 'pathetic' and 'lunatic' and 'speak bot' one here. The tiniest scratch is enough to reveal what predictably lies beneath.

    Next!

    New Moon



  • #2260
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    In light of a just a very recent post of yours:



    I'll let others decide exactly who really is the 'pathetic' and 'lunatic' and 'speak bot' one here.

    Next!
    Lol, you do realise that was me quoting your own post back at you dont you? Or do you spend so much time in woke/MAGA/climate denier chatbot mode you cant remember what gibberish you posted 10 minutes beforehand? 'Pathetic' and 'lunatic' alright.
    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    The tiniest scratch is enough to reveal what predictably lies beneath.
    Errrr yeah, good one... :confused:


  • #2261
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Of course it is, except, of course, when you talk about it in order keep the conspiracy alive and post links to Wikipedia by way of source.

    Bad faith actor.

    But you’re the one who keeps bringing it up....

    How many times have you posted that Michael Mann tweet now??
    With absolutely zero context BTW


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  • #2262
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Lol, you do realise that was me quoting your own post back at you dont you? Or do you spend so much time in woke/MAGA/climate denier chatbot mode you cant remember what gibberish you posted 10 minutes beforehand? 'Pathetic' and 'lunatic' alright.

    What??

    Anyway, I'm in a mind to flesh out one of your more daft posts from last night.
    Thargor wrote: »
    I was specific, I was referring to the usual Hilary Clinton/neoliberal/Tulsi Gabbard/email server/blah blah gibberish beloved of fruitcakes nowadays, what did you think I was talking about?

    1. What is 'the usual' exactly in this context?

    2. Did you even know of Gabbard until I mentioned her here? but if so, what is 'the usual' regarding her? I mean... https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

    3. What is this 'email server' thing that you claim that I spoke of that is beloved by 'fruitcakes'? Because the only person on here who mentioned emails servers in connection with conspiracy here is Akrasia? Is he a fruitcake talking gibberish? Or is this just more a case of you just seeing what you want to see in order the justify your attempted belittlement of my 'gibberish'?

    If you want to refute anything I had to say, then go ahead... argue your case, but spare me these utterly vacuous and meaningless little soundbites.

    New Moon



  • #2263
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    What??

    Anyway, I'm in a mind to flesh out one of your more daft posts from last night.



    1. What is 'the usual' exactly in this context?

    2. Did you even know of Gabbard until I mentioned her here? but if so, what is 'the usual' regarding her? I mean... https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

    3. What is this 'email server' thing that you claim that I spoke of that is beloved by 'fruitcakes'? Because the only person on here who mentioned emails servers in connection with conspiracy here is Akrasia? Is he a fruitcake talking gibberish? Or is this just more a case of you just seeing what you want to see in order the justify your attempted belittlement of my 'gibberish'?

    If you want to refute anything I had to say, then go ahead... argue your case, but spare me these utterly vacuous and meaningless little soundbites.
    You keep posting Michael Mann’s tweet where ‘internal emails’ are explicitly mentioned

    You introduced emails to the topic, not me


  • #2264
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Akrasia wrote: »
    You keep posting Michael Mann’s tweet where ‘internal emails’ are explicitly mentioned

    You introduced emails to the topic, not me

    Jesus, first thing and the bots are out again.

    Michael Mann spoke of emails, not me, and you and him are the ones claiming conspiracy regarding them. I couldn't care less about his emails; what I am concerned about is your claim that we should 'listen to the experts and not half baked conspiracy theories' when you then go on to defend an expert, to the point where you go all out Russophobe on us (which is more than a little racist if we are honest) who is taking a fully baked conspiracy right out of the oven and handing it to you.

    I'll keep posting Mann's comments until you finally get it.

    New Moon



  • #2265
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    By the way, did you watch Planet of the Humans last night? Moore said he would only keep it on youtube for a limited time, so if it is taken down by now, do not worry, I have a full HD copy of it if you'd like me to pass it on.

    Actually, I just realised how I was tricked (silly moi) by yet another one of your sleights of hand.

    I didn't 'keep bringing up and reposting Mann's email comment'. I only asked you once why you continually ignored what he said in that particular tweet regarding Moore while pushing your case with respect to his Republican comments. I posted the 'email' tweet twice last night (only to make a point) well after your email comments.

    New Moon



  • #2266
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    By the way, did you watch Planet of the Humans last night? Moore said he would only keep it on youtube for a limited time, so if it is taken down by now, do not worry, I have a full HD copy of it if you'd like me to pass it on.

    Actually, I just realised how I was tricked (silly moi) by yet another one of your sleights of hand.

    I didn't 'keep bringing up and reposting Mann's email comment'. I only asked you once why you continually ignored what he said in that particular tweet regarding Moore while pushing your case with respect to his Republican comments. I posted the 'email' tweet twice last night (only to make a point) well after your email comments.

    Lol, you posted the tweet and then badgered me into responding to it, and when I did, you accuse me of bringing up conspiracy theories

    I did watch that documentary last night and it was appallingly bad. It actually made me angry watching it


  • #2267
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »

    I'll keep posting Mann's comments until you finally get it.
    And then claiming you never said anything about emails right after posting it for a 6th or 7th time? :P


  • #2268
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,957 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


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  • #2269
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Lol, you posted the tweet and then badgered me into responding to it, and when I did, you accuse me of bringing up conspiracy theories

    Again, you distort my words. I didn't accuse you of 'bringing up conspiracy theories', I accused you of being an actual conspiracy theorist, which fair play, you managed to prove in spectacular style just last night, complete with questionable sources 'n' all and with a few 'Michael Mann said's...' thrown in for good measure.

    Not to worry, here is a nice quirky little dance number for thee to enjoy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_OzV1ebOhA


    Just don't tell Mann, he might tut tut at you.
    Thargor wrote: »
    And then claiming you never said anything about emails right after posting it for a 6th or 7th time? :P

    Even if I did, (which I didn't) it isn't really the emails that's the bigger issue here..... is it?

    New Moon



  • #2270
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »


    Even if I did, (which I didn't) it isn't really the emails that's the bigger issue here..... is it?
    Well you seem to think its a pretty big issue the amount of times you've posted it, all I asked was what does any of that nonsense have to do with climate change...


  • #2271
    Mr Bumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭Mr Bumble


    Thargor wrote: »
    Well you seem to think its a pretty big issue the amount of times you've posted it, all I asked was what does any of that nonsense have to do with climate change...


    I note oil shares are taking a right hammering. Karma man. Don't forget, this one's passion for climate change is dripping in oil.


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  • #2272
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Well you seem to think its a pretty big issue the amount of times you've posted it, all I asked was what does any of that nonsense have to do with climate change...

    If you want to take up 'fruitcake' conspiracy theories about emails, talk to Akrasia, but a climate scientist pushing politically motivated conspiracies has everything to do with climate change. Deal with it.

    New Moon



  • #2273
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Mr Bumble wrote: »
    I note oil shares are taking a right hammering. Karma man. Don't forget, this one's passion for climate change is dripping in oil.
    Aww baby still butthurt all these months later? :P


  • #2274
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    If you want to take up 'fruitcake' conspiracy theories about emails, talk to Akrasia, but a climate scientist pushing politically motivated conspiracies has everything to do with climate change. Deal with it.
    Chatbot needs a reboot, can barely string a sentence together now. Got any more Russian ballet videos to prove what totally sane and coherent non-fruitcake points you're trying to make there Oneric?


  • #2275
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Chatbot needs a reboot, can barely string a sentence together now.

    Have you tried reinstalling your operating system? Deselect the 'email' option before doing so though as this is obviously causing you to freeze up.

    New Moon



  • #2276
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Have you tried reinstalling your operating system? Deselect the 'email' option before doing so though as this is obviously causing you to freeze up.
    Are those the emails you posted about 7 times on the previous page and then got upset and lied about ever posting at all? Its hard to follow what you're on about from post to post with all the Russian ballet videos and other conspiracy gibberish.

    Oh yeah and the Attenborough penguin sadism, cant forget Patricks classic penguin sadism theories.


  • #2277
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Are those the emails you posted about 7 times on the previous page and then got upset and lied about ever posting at all? Its hard to follow what you're on about from post to post with all the Russian ballet videos and other conspiracy gibberish.

    Oh yeah and the Attenborough penguin sadism, cant forget Patricks classic penguin sadism theories.

    What 'emails' did I post about 7 times? :confused:

    While you are trying to figure that out, here is another Russian conspiracy dance for you to enjoy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd6EKKKjIoE

    New Moon



  • #2278
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    What 'emails' did I post about 7 times?
    Huh wha? Emails? Never mentioned them or posted the same Tweet about them over and over again for the last 3 pages, nope not Oneric...

    Any chance you'd take a stab at explaining what the Russian dance videos are supposed to mean? Some kind of comedy bit? Or will you just deny ever posting them aswell once the thread moves to the next page?


  • #2279
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »

    Any chance you'd take a stab at explaining what the Russian dance videos are supposed to mean?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6rjqzvsrOI

    New Moon



  • #2280
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Pretty pathetic even by your deranged penguin sadism standards I think you'd have to agree?


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  • #2281
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Pretty pathetic

    Yeah, whatever ya say, Rachel.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/04/12/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-sees-a-russia-connection-lurking-around-every-corner/

    Russia
    Russia
    Russia
    Russia
    Russia
    Russia
    Russia
    Russia

    They're coming to get yooooou.

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    New Moon



  • #2282
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Errrr... I know Im speaking to a deranged chatbot here but you do realise it was you that was bawling about Russia and I never mentioned them?

    Have you given up on your ballet memes already though? But they were so clever and hilarious, I suppose you'll be denying ever mentioning them soon like the compulsive liar that you are...


  • #2283
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Thargor wrote: »
    Errrr... I know Im speaking to a deranged chatbot here but you do realise it was you that was bawling about Russia and I never mentioned them?
    .

    Yeah yeah blah blah

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    New Moon



  • #2284
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Lads, tone it down a tad - some banter is okay, but play the ball, not the "person"


  • #2285
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Yeah yeah
    Ah excellent you agree then, thats the first step.


  • #2286
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Thargor wrote: »
    Ah excellent you agree then, thats the first step.

    Right, now that everyone agrees, let’s get back to the topic. I have loads of very serious concerns about the Gibbs/Moore documentary. Seeing as he asked me to watch it, I’m interested in Onerics unbiased review. Do you think there are any elements that they could have done better?


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  • #2287
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Seeing as he asked me to watch it, I’m interested in Onerics unbiased review.

    Where exactly did I ask you to 'watch it'? :confused:

    New Moon



  • #2288
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Where exactly did I ask you to 'watch it'? :confused:

    Generally when someone introduces a source to a discussion, i would consider that they want people to actually read or watch the content of that source
    Here's where you introduced Moore's documentary to the discussion
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113305896&postcount=2155
    You then went on to spend 2 weeks trying to get me to respond to Mann's spat with Moore regarding his documentary
    and here is where you told me to make sure I watch it before it gets removed from youtube, but that you can also send me a link if it's too late

    "By the way, did you watch Planet of the Humans last night? Moore said he would only keep it on youtube for a limited time, so if it is taken down by now, do not worry, I have a full HD copy of it if you'd like me to pass it on.
    "

    So yes, I would be interested in your review of his film to see if you are recommending it as something that informs the debate, or if you referred to it purely because it's gotten 'climate experts' 'rattled'

    Do you think those 'climate experts' are justifiably 'rattled'?


  • #2289
    Hooter23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Seems all we have to do to fix our climate is to stop all cars and planes and weather patterns change instantly...if recent weather is anything to go by...


  • #2290
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    I'm getting a little tired of your distortions of what was said by me Akrasia in order to steer context in a way you want it to go. But let me once again waste my time and energy having to explain myself.

    1. I posted the video, along with my opinion of it - that is all. I didn't ask you or anyone to watch it.

    2. Regarding Mann's conspiracy nonsense regarding Moore, I simply asked why you selectively choose to ignore it while you were busy defending his garbage (which was almost word for word what the likes of Maddow has been repeating for the last 3 year which is curious in itself) with regards his similar comments towards the US President.

    3. I asked did you get to watch the video because it was just the night before that you said you were going to, which does not in anyway translate to ' go watch the video'.

    Anymore of this trollish crap and I'll have no choice but to ignore you, My views on PotH are pretty clear. Nowhere in that doc was the concept of climate change belittled or denied, so why it that we have climate change 'experts' up in arms about it? Is climate science and the 'green movement' - which is very much ideological driven - one and the same thing? if so, then that in itself would put into question the idea of an objective, non-partisan approach to climate as a scientific study.

    New Moon



  • #2291
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    I'm getting a little tired of your distortions of what was said by me Akrasia in order to steer context in a way you want it to go. But let me once again waste my time and energy having to explain myself.

    1. I posted the video, along with my opinion of it - that is all. I didn't ask you or anyone to watch it.

    2. Regarding Mann's conspiracy nonsense regarding Moore, I simply asked why you selectively choose to ignore it while you were busy defending his garbage (which was almost word for word what the likes of Maddow has been repeating for the last 3 year which is curious in itself) with regards his similar comments towards the US President.

    3. I asked did you get to watch the video because it was just the night before that you said you were going to, which does not in anyway translate to ' go watch the video'.

    Anymore of this trollish crap and I'll have no choice but to ignore you, My views on PotH are pretty clear. Nowhere in that doc was the concept of climate change belittled or denied, so why it that we have climate change 'experts' up in arms about it? Is climate science and the 'green movement' - which is very much ideological driven - one and the same thing? if so, then that in itself would put into question the idea of an objective, non-partisan approach to climate as a scientific study.
    Asking your opinion on a documentary you introduced to the topic is ‘trollish crap’
    But posting random YouTube videos of Russian folk dance isn’t?

    Do you think Moore’s film was an accurate representation of the current alternative energy market?

    Do you think his portrayal of specific American charities is a good representation of the overall green movement?

    If you think that taking statistics from pilot, proof of concept, schemes And using them to discredit all derivative technology is reasonable then you have a lot of explaining to do
    (Hint: the first touch screen smartphones were terrible by current standards...)


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  • #2292
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Asking your opinion on a documentary you introduced to the topic is ‘trollish crap’


    Why do you do this? Once again, you totally distort my words. No more.

    But why ask for my opinion? Why not just give your own unbiased one? I don't see any reason as to why Jeff Gibbs would show us anything but the truth of what is going on regarding the vested interests in so-called 'green energy? Unless.. like Moore, he is part of some great Kremlin funded misinformation campaign?

    But again I ask, why are 'climate experts' so 'interested' in these revelations? Gibbs did not attack climate science, so what's the dig?

    New Moon



  • #2293
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Firstly, let us recall this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/technology/jeff-bezos-climate-change-earth-fund.html

    Praised for his 'philanthropy' by the sickeningly servile to the rich NYT as he pours billions into 'climate research and activism'.

    Now, consider this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpKNE8k628o


    The fire is rising.

    New Moon



  • #2294
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Oneiric 3 wrote:
    The fire is rising.


    We can't keep going like this, we can't keep continuing with these levels of inequality, something will give eventually


  • #2295
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We can't keep going like this, we can't keep continuing with these levels of inequality, something will give eventually
    This is why globalisation will be challenged by more and more people in the future.
    The wealth pyramid works OK when businesses remain local and you end up with large numbers of small business leaders with maybe a million or so each.
    But when all the money is funnelled into ONE person's pocket, then it becomes obscene!


  • #2296
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is why globalisation will be challenged by more and more people in the future.
    The wealth pyramid works OK when businesses remain local and you end up with large numbers of small business leaders with maybe a million or so each.
    But when all the money is funnelled into ONE person's pocket, then it becomes obscene!

    wealth inequality is far more complex than just the accumulation of the wealthy, we have created a highly complex network of wealth accumulators in the form of institutions and corporations, in which maximum wealth accumulation is the main aim, at all costs, including environmental degradation, this is starting to fail in many ways, and also for the wealthy themselves.


  • #2297
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, only the little people pay taxes!


  • #2298
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Agree with all of the above, but just to steer us back to the 'topic' a little, the question I was trying to ask is why are billions being poured into 'climate research and activism' by this guy, while at the same time, extracting what he can, in the form of labour and money, from the ordinary worker? It is worth keeping in mind that this money is created by what is effectively slave labour (but labour that is of actual use to society) and being distributed back to an already well funded (primarily by the tax payer) body.

    And when you think of it, this could lead to an even bigger question, like for all of the funding and corporate donations given to climate scientists, what exactly are they giving back in return that is of any real value to society at large, or even the economy?

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  • #2299
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    Short answer, any economic activity involves money being moved from one pocket to another, each and every transaction is counted towards GDP and other economic indicators.
    It's this growth that the current economic system requires to function, also facilitates the continual transfer of wealth to the top.

    With climate change, big money can be made by backing both sides in the battle, just like an arms dealer who sells weapons to both sides in a war.


  • #2300
    M.T. Cranium
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    I suppose part of my motivation is political rather than scientific, as I observe that the response to climate change seems to be that governments see an opportunity to raise taxes without saying so, as the carbon taxes however portrayed are flowing into general revenues and have no real connection to any attempts to modify climate (in part because there is no realistic way to modify climate, our efforts in that regard can be described as totally ineffectual, whether you believe we could do much or not).

    It cannot go on forever to hide the taxation increase behind smoke and mirror schemes, but if these revenues are actually needed and not an opportunistic cash grab, then structure this into openly declared taxation schemes (income tax, various forms of VAT or GST) rather than blaming climate and further distorting a scientific debate that seems to be going around in circles.

    At the same time, a reasonable person would concede that for whatever reasons, sea levels could rise enough to require a response, and within half a century. So why not have very specific and detailed plans in place to deal with this, if it does come to pass, rather than waving magic wands like carbon taxes that are like Harry Potter spells designed to ward off the inevitable?

    This is an unprecedented situation in that governments and their electorates really cannot be sure that the "science" advising them is real science or just another political actor in another form. This has also become partially if not entirely true in the pandemic. Science insists on being taken very seriously and literally, but there is widespread doubt that it has the knowledge as fully developed as they claim. This is widely understood and not just my eccentric personal opinion (if it were, nobody would be reading this thread).


  • #2301
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Interesting.. in more ways that one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yz8nZbZPE8


    I've noticed that in the last few months, there seems to be a slight steer away from the narrative of excess and dangerous warming towards one that that is now trying to fill us with fear about a potentially dangerous cooling... if we don't repent of our sins.

    The plot thickens.

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