The Luas: Badly designed?

LollipopJimmy · 17-03-2019 10:42pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

Google maps says that walk takes 30 minutes. Even if you’re power walking that will take at least 20 minutes. The Luas will take about 10 minutes but certainly no more than 15. Of course if you’re adding waiting time for changing trams then that’s a different story.

Try it yourself at rush hour, the luas can be 6/7 minutes getting from Marlborough to Trinity alone. I make the walk in 20/22 minutes

Somedaythefire · 19-03-2019 10:43am

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Try it yourself at rush hour, the luas can be 6/7 minutes getting from Marlborough to Trinity alone. I make the walk in 20/22 minutes

I've never once had the luas take 6 or 7 minutes to get to Trinity at rush hour. It routinely, and by routinely I mean nearly every single day at rush hour, it takes 13-15 minutes to get to Harcourt. Today it took 11 minutes.

AndrewJRenko · 19-03-2019 11:12am

Somedaythefire wrote: »

I've never once had the luas take 6 or 7 minutes to get to Trinity at rush hour. It routinely, and by routinely I mean nearly every single day at rush hour, it takes 13-15 minutes to get to Harcourt. Today it took 11 minutes.

11 minutes from where to where?

Somedaythefire · 19-03-2019 4:10pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

11 minutes from where to where?

Marlborough to Harcourt Street.

AndrewJRenko · 19-03-2019 5:02pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Marlborough to Harcourt Street.

Which end of Harcourt St?

Dyr · 19-03-2019 5:05pm

The Luas in college green will regularly completely block the junction there for traffic travelling up townsend street, only a matter of time before a car or truck doesnt realise the green light is only a suggestion there and ploughs into a carriage

Apparently the traffic corps are okay with this carry on right outside their window.

So yeah, not the best system in the world

Jamie2k9 · 19-03-2019 6:45pm

Bambi wrote: »

The Luas in college green will regularly completely block the junction there for traffic travelling up townsend street, only a matter of time before a car or truck doesnt realise the green light is only a suggestion there and ploughs into a carriage

Apparently the traffic corps are okay with this carry on right outside their window.

So yeah, not the best system in the world

Well its taxi and Dublin Bus that make this happen by blocking access to Trinity....

Dyr · 19-03-2019 7:28pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Well its taxi and Dublin Bus that make this happen by blocking access to Trinity....

Who's responsibility is it to ensure that they only cross a junction when they have space to clear it?

The old luas drivers have been given a TFI papal blessing to do as they see fit, the results are evident.

Jamie2k9 · 19-03-2019 7:53pm

Bambi wrote: »

Who's responsibility is it to ensure that they only cross a junction when they have space to clear it?

The old luas drivers have been given a TFI papal blessing to do as they see fit, the results are evident.

Again bus and taxi are blocking boxes. If trams waited for clearance they would be hours.

19-03-2019 9:56pm

The biggest design flaw was not putting it in a tunnel.

LollipopJimmy · 20-03-2019 10:40am

17 minutes last night from Charlemont to O'Connell. I decided to give it a try this morning on the reverse but at just before 8.30 this morning but the next tram at Marlborough was 8 minutes away so I walked.

AndrewJRenko · 26-03-2019 10:54pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Try it yourself at rush hour, the luas can be 6/7 minutes getting from Marlborough to Trinity alone. I make the walk in 20/22 minutes

Just over nine minutes from Marlborough to Harcourt on Friday evening at rush hour;

LollipopJimmy · 27-03-2019 10:35am

Marlborough to Charlemont yesterday morning was 21minutes.

Also Strava time pauses when it's stopped, so your 10minutes wouldn't include times stopped or moving slowly

Jamie2k9 · 27-03-2019 10:36am

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Marlborough to Charlemont yesterday morning was 21minutes.

Also Strava time pauses when it's stopped, so your 10minutes wouldn't include times stopped or moving slowly

I am sure when its pissing rain you have no problem using it.

LollipopJimmy · 27-03-2019 10:42am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I am sure when its pissing rain you have no problem using it.

What has that got to do with the length of time it takes? I used it yesterday, I was banjoed after training.

fatknacker · 27-03-2019 11:48am

It should have a leap scanner on board

LollipopJimmy · 27-03-2019 11:58am

fatknacker wrote: »

It should have a leap scanner on board

You'd see a big rush for it when the orange lads got on though.

AndrewJRenko · 27-03-2019 12:17pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Also Strava time pauses when it's stopped, so your 10minutes wouldn't include times stopped or moving slowly

Nope, elapsed time.

LollipopJimmy · 27-03-2019 12:36pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Nope, elapsed time.

Fair enough, seems you got lucky. It's not been that way for me. Now there are times it's quick but for me it's taking 17-20 odd minutes going that way around 8.30ish.

If I get off the Red Line at Abbey at 8.30 I walk because I know I'll be in work on time whereas I've been late if I take the Green Line. Thankfully I'll be back commuting on the bike in 2 weeks which takes all of 15minutes from door to door

jrmb · 27-03-2019 1:26pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

You'd see a big rush for it when the orange lads got on though.

That's true but no doubt they could temporarily turn them off. In France, on-board scanners work well.

salmocab · 27-03-2019 1:30pm

jrmb wrote: »

That's true but no doubt they could temporarily turn them off. In France, on-board scanners work well.

There’s no need for on board scanners really, maybe an email extra couple at stations wouldn’t go amiss. If you turned them off people could just claim I was waiting my turn and it just went off.

jrmb · 27-03-2019 1:39pm

salmocab wrote: »

There’s no need for on board scanners really, maybe an email extra couple at stations wouldn’t go amiss. If you turned them off people could just claim I was waiting my turn and it just went off.

I appreciate your point but in French cities this doesn't seem to be a problem. I've had to get used to tagging on at the last minute, on the off chance that there's no space on the tram or that it doesn't arrive for a long time. On-board scanners would eliminate that.

Dravokivich · 27-03-2019 1:50pm

fatknacker wrote: »

It should have a leap scanner on board

Needs a but more than a few screws. It would require a design change in how leap itself works with luas.

AndrewJRenko · 27-03-2019 1:58pm

jrmb wrote: »

I appreciate your point but in French cities this doesn't seem to be a problem. I've had to get used to tagging on at the last minute, on the off chance that there's no space on the tram or that it doesn't arrive for a long time. On-board scanners would eliminate that.

There's barely room to breathe on rush hour trams. How many scanners are you going to need to ensure they are reachable? Where are you going to locate them?

AndrewJRenko · 15-04-2019 9:51pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Fair enough, seems you got lucky. It's not been that way for me. Now there are times it's quick but for me it's taking 17-20 odd minutes going that way around 8.30ish.

15 minutes in Friday rush hour

Capt'n Midnight · 16-04-2019 12:00am

Map of Dublin Trams from 1922 to see what we had. The Blue lines are heavy rail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dublin_1922-23_Map_Suburbs_MatureTrams_wFaresTimes_Trains_EarlyBus_Canals_pubv2.jpg

nice_guy80 · 16-04-2019 4:21am

Just shows how small the city was

L1011 · 16-04-2019 6:37am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Map of Dublin Trams from 1922 to see what we had. The Blue lines are heavy rail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dublin_1922-23_Map_Suburbs_MatureTrams_wFaresTimes_Trains_EarlyBus_Canals_pubv2.jpg

Single unit double deckers, that network would never have survived today to that scale if kept. Anywhere that has tried to retain that kind of network is left with effectively tourist lines that are unsuited for actual public transport (Lisbon for instance) and have to build modern Metro lines also.

Amsterdam wound its extensive old network down to a single line that was retained due to unsuitable road layout for buses before rebuilding what worked for articulated trams.

Edgware · 16-04-2019 7:55am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Just shows how small the city was

But then of course there was very functional multi family accommodation in Monto and similar areas which housed thousands. No need for a three bed semi out in the sticks

The Luas: Badly designed?

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