Demons Souls

Retr0gamer · 08-06-2009 12:56am

You need to do some co-op work to get your world tendency up to pure white i think.

Headshot · 28-06-2009 6:13pm

Iv to really recommend this game,superb game

Niall0 · 29-06-2009 12:45pm

Thinking of getting this, whats the combat like?
Is there any disadvantage to buying the hong kong or whatever version?
Whats the best version to get?
Wheres the best place to get it?

Thanks

Retr0gamer · 29-06-2009 1:30pm

Check out the wiki for places to buy it from. Make sure you get the asian version not the japanese version since thats the one that's completely in english including the manual. There's an american version out soon but there's no point in waiting but if you want to it's being published by atlus so don't wait around to buy it, Atlus games sell out quick and they hardly ever reprint.

The combat might look like diablo but it's nothing like it, it's completely skill based. It's like a much slower paced Devil May Cry.

eddhorse · 30-06-2009 12:13pm

Does getting the Hong Kong version mean that you only see the ghosts of former players from that region?

Retr0gamer · 30-06-2009 1:56pm

The servers seem to be worldwide at the moment and the messages left are built out of predetermined phrases so there's no language barrier.

AnCapaillMor · 30-06-2009 6:43pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The combat might look like diablo but it's nothing like it, it's completely skill based. It's like a much slower paced Devil May Cry.

Heh, 1% skill and about 150 arrows. The only ones i had to get in close with were the phalanx, man eater, fire dude and the false king. False king is tough alright, he's the only one i've left, so i'm just leveling up like a mofo at the moment.

For the white world tendancies, the best thing to do is, everytime you kill a boss and get your soul back, go back to the nexus and kill yourself with a fall. dieing in full form takes away from the white world tendancy. Killing a boss adds 1. Kill all 3 while in soul form and you should have a white world tendancy. to get black, quickest way is to keep dieing in whole life form, use stone of Ephemeral Eyes to revive and repeat. In pure white you'll need to die 7 times to get pure black. There's enough eyes, i got around 50 so far.

Pure black is handy for rare weapons from the black phantoms, namely the talisman of beast(can use magic and miracles with no side affects). And primeevil demons which drop rare souls, colorless demons soul etc. Pure White unlocks some paths, namely the gate at the start of boletarian(pure back opens it as well) and it unblocks a powerful sword in 2-3 after defeating the dragon god.

BTW do not be tempted to use meltstone, it cost me my Quality compound long bow +5. Its stronger than the white bow. BTW buy as much heavy arrows as possible of the hyena dude.

L31mr0d · 01-07-2009 11:41am

Game just arrived in the post there yesterday.

Perhaps I picked the wrong class but already I keep dying on the first level. I'm a Knight, is there a better class to start with for a beginner?

I can understand the point behind the lack of a pause feature but it's an absolute pain if the phone rings or I need to get up for a minute to do something, especially if I'm being chased down by another knight.

Also, If I attack someone in the Nexus how do I stop them from attacking me every time I go back into the Nexus?

Retr0gamer · 01-07-2009 12:48pm

Keep at it, it took me ages to get past the first level but it's do able. It's like an old school 16-bit game, you think you aren't making progress but you are getting a little bit further each time. As for your problem in the nexus, haven't a clue.

L31mr0d · 01-07-2009 12:58pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As for your problem in the nexus, haven't a clue.

Yeah I usually like to test the water to see what I can get away with, so the first guy I had to talk to in the Nexus I attacked, and he started attacking me back. Then every time I died and came back to the nexus he would still attack me meaning I could never talk to him. As it was at the start I decided to just restart the game.

I was just wondering if there was a way of stopping them from attacking you.

AnCapaillMor · 01-07-2009 6:43pm

Its the reason the game is so difficult and great, actions have consequenses, there's no reload. You fart in the game and it saves it. Who is thats attacking you? You'd get away with not dealing with 1 or 2 of the guys in the nexus, but some are essential.

Kiith · 01-07-2009 10:21pm

Christ this game is bloody hard. I know you've all said it, but christ

Very enjoyable game overall, although dying at a later stage in the level can be really frustrating. Especially when its a one hit kill against an emeny that looks normal enough, but is actually super strong. There's one guy in the first level that kept one-hitting me with his spear. The dragon killing me in 1 hit i dont mind....he's a dragon afterall. But the other guy nearly made me smash something.

AnCapaillMor · 01-07-2009 11:07pm

The dude with the red eyes?, stay well away from any of them for a long long time. The dragon, stay well away again, although it is worth dieing for if you can take the heat shield. Dragon forgot about him, you can kill him later on with the help of a couple of hundred arrows.

L31mr0d · 02-07-2009 4:55pm

Can someone explain the items to me. The hero soul... I've used it, nothing happened, now what?

Also, after I talked to the monumental I got given blue and white eye stones or something, what do I do with them?

Edit: Also what are the benefits to being alive and being a soul? I died, I used the Stone of Ephemeral Eyes (thinking it would restore me to where I died) but it merely just restored me to life again. The only noticeable difference I can see between being alive and being a soul is that my armour makes noise when I move and roll.

Also the guy with red eyes on the first level, I read a note before him that said you have to be soul lvl 40.

L31mr0d · 02-07-2009 5:01pm

nvm about the hero souls question, found the wiki:

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/consumables

Looks like the in game description is a mistranslation:

"Mistranslation in item description. Says "Turns user into a soul," but should actually say "Turns into souls when used.""

So it just gives you souls to buy stuff, ok I understand now.

AnCapaillMor · 02-07-2009 6:17pm

The hero's souls etc can come in handy when leveling up. Do not consume the demons souls, you'll be able to make some pretty nice weapons from the blacksmith at the start of stonefang tunnel.

Being alive the advantage is more energy, the disadvantage is dieing when alive takes away from a white world tendency.

The red eye, wait till you've at the level that'll allow you to hold the moon winged spear and the flame shield. If you've them at an appropriate level, he's piss easy, block with the shield and stab. I was taking on 3 of them with these weapons. Upgrade these as much as possible, if lucky enough its possible to take him out with a bow and arrow, just hit him long range, retreat and he'll walk back, rinse and repeat, sometimes it works. If you've death cloud or poison cloud already just hit him with it, then hide and wait.

L31mr0d · 04-07-2009 10:54pm

Few questions:

1. After I defeat the phalanx demon where should I go next?
2. Also, is there anyway to return to the nexus without losing all my souls?
3. When I killed the phalanx he brought me back to life. Am I to assume to get surplus demon souls that I have to progress onto the next demon without losing one life?
4. I've read theres coop in some form, is this true? How does it work?

Retr0gamer · 04-07-2009 11:13pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

Few questions:

1. After I defeat the phalanx demon where should I go next?
2. Also, is there anyway to return to the nexus without losing all my souls?
3. When I killed the phalanx he brought me back to life. Am I to assume to get surplus demon souls that I have to progress onto the next demon without losing one life?
4. I've read theres coop in some form, is this true? How does it work?

1. That's really up to you, once you beat that boss the game opens up to you.
2. Not sure about this but pretty sure you have to die or use the waystone.
3. Don't worry, you'll be dead again pretty soon. It's part of the game.
4. Yes there's co-op a little later on. You get an item that when used allows other players to join into your game. It leaves a marker that other players can touch to join into your game. You'll also be able to join other peoples games yourself in a while. Even more fun is that you'll soon be able to invade other peoples games for some PvP or have people invade your game.

Gummy Panda · 05-07-2009 4:49pm

Damn those dragons burning bridges!!

It's a great game that has that frustated one more try feeling. I restarted as soldier as they're suppose to be easier to
play then knights

Kiith · 05-07-2009 5:23pm

I'm still making surviving (so to speak) as my Knight. Having a tough time with the Tower Knight boss on 1-2 though. I know what to do, but doing it is kinda hard.

**** YOU TOWER KNIGHT!! AGH!!!!

Gummy Panda · 05-07-2009 7:27pm

Kiith wrote: »

I'm still making surviving (so to speak) as my Knight. Having a tough time with the Tower Knight boss on 1-2 though. I know what to do, but doing it is kinda hard.

**** YOU TOWER KNIGHT!! AGH!!!!

He killed me a few minutes ago. I knew i should've explored a bit before touching that fog especially after annoying blue eyes guys

AnCapaillMor · 06-07-2009 8:46am

Don't forget the crystal gecko up the stairs. Have ye got a decent bow yet? If so try and upgrade it, buy 100 or so arrows, go up to the top after taking out all the bowmen, find a place where the knight can't hit you and fire away at your hearts content, wait till he drops his shield. All about timing.

The bridge dragon can also be taken out with about 150 arrows. I'd advise running around the first section, just gathering up souls, farming the mini phalanx and keep going back to the nexus to level up, now that phalanx is no more, the blind doll can level you up. The moon winged spear is somewhere on the bridge too i think, its worth getting killed for.

Kiith · 06-07-2009 11:01am

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Don't forget the crystal gecko up the stairs. Have ye got a decent bow yet? If so try and upgrade it, buy 100 or so arrows, go up to the top after taking out all the bowmen, find a place where the knight can't hit you and fire away at your hearts content, wait till he drops his shield. All about timing.

The bridge dragon can also be taken out with about 150 arrows. I'd advise running around the first section, just gathering up souls, farming the mini phalanx and keep going back to the nexus to level up, now that phalanx is no more, the blind doll can level you up. The moon winged spear is somewhere on the bridge too i think, its worth getting killed for.

I've gotten the Moon Winged Spear i think, just after buying a short spear from the merchant guy on 1-2. I've only got a **** bow so far though, and i used the only 6 arrows i found on some random enemies on 2-1. Will try and farm some more, and will go to 4-1 to get the better bow.

It better work though, as i dont think i can handle another instant death from the Tower Knight.

AnCapaillMor · 06-07-2009 11:08am

Instant death on tower knight, you definately need to level up then. concentrate on vitality, strength and dexterity, you'll definately need to up them to use the moon winged spear. Level up magic later.

Hold on to the moon winged spear, particularly handy for the skeletons on 4-1. upgrade the crap out of it, for me it's the best weapon in the game. Upgrade the crap out of the compund long bow. Makes most of the boss battles so much easier.

L31mr0d · 06-07-2009 12:48pm

Yeah I've been farming for a bit now on those dragon bridges as I definitely need to upgrade more before continuing. I load up the phalanx level, kill the guys directly behind me, run past those mini phalanx (too much effort for little reward) then run along the bridges to the second outpost and let myself die. I then repeat and collect my soul then die again. Doing this allows me to double up my souls on each run, then when I've got enough souls I use the underground passage on the bridges to get back to the archstone and return to the phalanx

A few questions:
1. Can I open the gate to the left of the room with the mini phalanx in it that leads to the underground passage beneath the bridges?
2. Does people rating your messages have any affect on your stats?

Also, I don't know if I'm carrying something new or what but previously, when I used the archstones to return to the nexus I'd lose all my souls. Now when I use the archstones I keep all my souls (allowing me to farm) Was this happening for anyone else?

AnCapaillMor · 06-07-2009 1:06pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

A few questions:
1. Can I open the gate to the left of the room with the mini phalanx in it that leads to the underground passage beneath the bridges?
2. Does people rating your messages have any affect on your stats?

To get souls, you're best off doing 1-1 again, if you've the spear and spiked or flame shield, the knights are so much easier with it. I remember getting 4-5000 souls per run through. 4-1 would be worth going through too, as the enemy are very vulnerable to the spear and yield alot of souls also the compound long bow is there, do not even attempt the 2 bladed dude. The minute you get the bow, get out of there.

1. don't think so, does the door prompt you. To get to the passage, get to the first tower on the bridge, go to the bottom and take a left.
2. I doubt it. I've left plenty of messages and got SFA for it.

As for the stones, i did'nt bother with them, i just went back to the nexus stone, but the one time i did use them, i kept my souls. Maybe its because you've beat the first boss or the recent patch brought it in.

rossism · 06-07-2009 1:15pm

have the game a while now and i love it. the only thing im wondering about is if its possible to get new armor for your charachter? im getting bored of fluted armor.

AnCapaillMor · 06-07-2009 1:38pm

Loads of Armour going around, but anything stronger\better than the fluted will have to found or won well into the game.

rossism · 06-07-2009 3:49pm

ok beat the tower knight, which was actually quite easy after i had leveled up a bit. Anyone know how you get past the big gate? it says i need the soul of a giant?

Gummy Panda · 06-07-2009 3:56pm

rossism wrote: »

ok beat the tower knight, which was actually quite easy after i had leveled up a bit. Anyone know how you get past the big gate? it says i need the soul of a giant?

You can't do 1-3 without doing 2-2

AnCapaillMor · 06-07-2009 4:10pm

Yeah you're better off wandering around worlds 2,3 and 4 now, 1-3 is farely tough. I'd advise 4-1 and pick up the compound long bow, then go for the red dragon on the bridge.

Kiith · 06-07-2009 6:33pm

Decided to leave the Tower boss for the time being, and killed the Spider Boss in 4-1 (i think) there. 1st time and all. Ahh that felt good :P

I'd recommend anyone having a hard time on the tower boss to go there. I would definitly say my dodging/blocking improved fighting that boss.

rossism · 06-07-2009 6:36pm

im stuck on the spider, i need more arrows:P. the knights easy enough as long as you stay behind him. white sticky stuff seems to be really effective against him.

Kiith · 06-07-2009 7:59pm

Ahh, you dont need to use the bow for the Spider. Just dodge his web thing, then run around his fireball, block his swipe and run from his flame wave thing....easy :P

rossism · 06-07-2009 11:22pm

to late arrows are .....more effective:pac:.now if only that king Doran would hand over his sword id be sorted.

AnCapaillMor · 07-07-2009 8:17am

Doran is farely tough, altho if you have it, Death Cloud works really well on him. He does'nt drop any weapon, just a ring and some pretty decent light armour.

Anyone know where i can find chunks of spiderstone, doing my best to find some without any luck. According to Wiki the miners in 2-2 drop some but i killed at least 150 last night and all i got were the odd splinters, loads of chunks of sharp and hardstone tho.

L31mr0d · 07-07-2009 11:31am

How do you know what number the level is? I only see the name of the area. How do I know where 4.1 is?

I defeated the Tower Knight as well. Was surprised that stabbing him in the balls did so little damage so I moved around to stabbing him in the head, lol.

Also I bought the heal miracle but don't seem able to use it (it's greyed out) I thought it might of been that I needed to equip the catalyst stick but that didn't change it. How do I use the heal miracle (would really come in handy when I run out of herbs)

Also, I found this tip in regards to buffing your arrows with turpentine:

"Note: Normally all Bows cannot be buffed with Turpentine, Black Turpentine and Sticky White Stuff.
However, you can buff it in the following manner:
Equip a Bow on the Left Hand. Equip a weapon that can be buffed on the Right Hand, e.g. a Battle Axe.
Use the weapon buff. The weapon on the right will be buffed.
Press L1 to equip the Bow with 2 hand.
If you shoot an arrow now, the arrows fired will have the weapon buff."

AnCapaillMor · 07-07-2009 11:41am

Just look at the stone positions, boletaria is world 1, 1-2 is the 2nd nexus stone, the phalanx one, 1-3 the tower knight nexus stone. Stonefang is 2, Tower of latria is world 3, shrine of storms 4 and so on.

Miracles you need the talisman of god, I think the beast talisman is the only item that can caste both magic and miracles. There is the insanity catalyst, i think it does both but it halves your mp and is a waste of a colourless demons soul.

L31mr0d · 07-07-2009 3:44pm

Cheers for that AnCapaillMor. I guess I wasted a few thousand souls buying this miracle so, lol.

Also, in regards to the Crystal Geckos. Has anyone got the 1 in 1.1? I haven't even seen it. Supposedly it's in that little passage down to the left when you enter the level on the bridge but I've never seen it there.

Also the Crystal Gecko in 1.2 no longer seems to appear. It appeared once or twice and now it never appears.

AnCapaillMor · 07-07-2009 4:17pm

The talisman of god is fairly common, i think you'll come across in world 2. Its a bit of a pain in the ass equipping a catalyst and talisman to summon magic and miracles but its doable. The beast talisman does both but that requires a BW tendency and a tricky phantom fight.

you know that locked gate at the very start of Boletarian palace just down the steps from the first soldier you encounter?, well guess where the gecko is. Gate will only open on pure black\white world tendency. Him and the 1-2 guy are'nt that important as you can buy those ores of a dude in stonefangI(except chinks), however the chunks of sharpstone and hardstone are fairly common drops.

The 1-2 gecko, everytime you kill a boss of that world go back there(same applies every world), most of the times they'll appear once after an event like that. Make sure to have thief ring equipped it'll give you a head start on it, or just shoot it up the ar*e with an arrow. Same applies for the other worlds. There's one bit in 2-2 where there's at least 6 of them close together, having a good bow and theif ring can be very lucrative.

rossism · 07-07-2009 8:49pm

i have two of the talisman of god.The first i got in 2-1 although i cant remember where. The second was in 4-1, i think.

Anyone else notice a lack of online play? i can never find the blue soul signs used to summon players, and i find it rare that anyone summons me.

*Hank Scorpio* · 07-07-2009 10:03pm

Was gona buy the Asian version for my b/day from yesasia.com. 47euro, free shipping.

2 questions: Is the korean version different from the asian version. It's a euro cheaper

Also, is there custom duty to be paid?

Kiith · 08-07-2009 1:02am

Managed to Kill the Tower Knight there, after avoiding him for a while. Wasnt too bad now that im a higher level. Also can kill red eyes in 1-1 in melee combat too, which is nice. Farming sharpstones now, so i can upgrade to a Winged Spear +6, but im not sure if i want to upgrade it to the Moon Spear, as my magical stats are crap.

Really enjoying it now.

AnCapaillMor · 08-07-2009 8:41am

*Hank Scorpio* wrote: »

2 questions: Is the korean version different from the asian version. It's a euro cheaper
Also, is there custom duty to be paid?

Only diff is the asian versions manual is in english, korean one is in korean. Got the korean one myself, english speaking, never really bother with manuals so was fine by my standards. Got mine from ebay and paid SFA duty, never got anything from playasia.

Kiith I'm not concentrating magic at all, its only about 20 compared to dexterity and strength which is about 35, and the moon winged spear is miles ahead of any other weapon i have.

Oh yeah apparently pure bladestone is one of the hardest things to get in the game, i was searching through google last night and came across an ebay auction of some guy willing to meet up online and drop the pure bladestone for you, all for only 200 phillipino dollars. Its gone the way of WOW..

L31mr0d · 08-07-2009 11:45am

Ok I'm having a hard time on the spider, I have no ranged weapons or magic really so need to move towards it and melee. However the spider either quickly crushes me or gets me with her fire blast.

Looking at a list of the requirements to kill her online:

* Total Protection
* Soul Light
* Ring of Flame Resistance
* White Bow + White arrows
* Sticky White Stuff

I have none of that stuff

Also, the sticky white stuff, where can I buy it?

AnCapaillMor · 08-07-2009 12:16pm

I did'nt even attempt to melee the spider. Best off getting the flame shield a decent bow, 4-1 has a vendor(you'll have to rescue him first) who sells longbows and the compound long bow is around there.

Sticky stuff, I think the vendor in 3-1 sells it. you can pick it up by the bucketload off the leeches in 4-2. Water veil would be handy against him i suppose, it reduces fire damage. I've 3 whitebows, if i could figure out how to invade games and drop it for ya, i'd do it, the 3 are pretty tough to get. Total protection you should be able to get it by trading in the tower knights soul. Ring of flame resistance is on one of the bodies by both dragons. You'll need the 3-1 boss's soul for soul light.

I was wrong patches sells sticky white stuff, its 5000 souls a pop.

rossism · 08-07-2009 1:21pm

to invade other games you need to get the red eye stone.You can get one by defeating a black phantom that has invaded your game.

AnCapaillMor · 08-07-2009 1:33pm

Co-op
In Demon's Souls, players can team up with 3 other players online to form a group of 4 adventurers for a single level! The host (must be in physical body form) needs to find a blue text marker (which is left by players in soul form using "Blue Eye Stone"). You can check how many times that player was online and their ranking score percentage. Then you can choose to summon that player, he will show up in its "blue" phantom form. After beating a demon boss, the blue phantoms will be granted their physical body back, but will not progress in the story (for example you will not get trophy for beating the boss in blue phantom form, you have to beat it in your own game).

All four players receive Souls for their hard work and can team up to take out Bosses even faster and with better efficiency, but it appears that you may only play Co-Op in levels that have not been rid of their Boss Demon yet. When the Boss Demon in the Host's game is complete, the two Phantom adventurers who joined the Host's adventure return to their own adventures where they left off. As the Co-Op game ends, each player is permitted to rate the other player(s) on a Grade system which carries with the adventurer. So other players can know how good (or bad) a certain player is.

PvP
In addition to the Blue Eye Stone, Demon's Souls has the "Black Eye Stone" and it has a slightly different function. It allows a player to force their way into another adventurer's game to take the place of that area's Boss Demon. The adventurer who uses the Black Eye Stone becomes the "Black Phantom" and must either be defeated by the defending adventurer or kill the adventurer to gain Souls!

If the invading player fails to kill the host, or somehow dies by the environment of the stage (falling, fireball in 1-x) but not by hosted or a blue phantom player, your Soul Level will decrease, deducting a level from your highest stat.

Another aspect of PVP is using the"Red Eye Stone" , an item you gain once you get the "bad ending" of the game, you can place a red text marker on the ground which other players can see.
If the use it they summon you to a duel.
You can gamble on how many souls the winner of the duel will recieve.

If anyones up for a coop some time?

rossism · 08-07-2009 2:06pm

i am ,just name the level:D

L31mr0d · 08-07-2009 2:37pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Total protection you should be able to get it by trading in the tower knights soul.

balls

I consumed that soul, I didn't know you could trade them in for items. Where do I trade in demon souls?

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Ring of flame resistance is on one of the bodies by both dragons. You'll need the 3-1 boss's soul for soul light.

You mean the dragons in 1.1

Demons Souls

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