Irexit Freedom Party

Creative83 · 02-09-2018 10:53pm #1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/political-party-seeking-irish-eu-exit-to-be-launched-1.3615657

Have to say I don't like the cut of their jib.

They don't appear to have any platform or support whatsoever other then Brexit

Nate--IRL-- · 02-09-2018 11:14pm

LOL

That is all.

Nate

the_syco · 02-09-2018 11:39pm

They seem to want Ireland to have no option but to rejoin the UK. What a shower of c***s!

ancapailldorcha · 02-09-2018 11:47pm

Mod: We already have a thread in Politics so I have moved this.

LuckyLloyd · 03-09-2018 10:37am

Who is funding them? If you get an answer to that I bet the answer will clearly indicate they have no true interest in Ireland or its interests.

Dr Brown · 06-09-2018 12:19am

These lads will definitely be getting my vote.

The men of 1916 did not die so that Ireland could be ruled by the EU.

Dr Brown · 06-09-2018 12:23am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Who is funding them? If you get an answer to that I bet the answer will clearly indicate they have no true interest in Ireland or its interests.

How do you know they even have funding ?

You don't need much funding to start a party.

Other parties have been set up in Ireland from people who had little or no money.

expectationlost · 06-09-2018 1:01am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Who is funding them? If you get an answer to that I bet the answer will clearly indicate they have no true interest in Ireland or its interests.

who is funding them? indirectly the us/EU is, their previous conference was funded by the EU party EFDD Herman Kelly is the spokesperson for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_of_Freedom_and_Direct_Democracy https://www.facebook.com/events/157396868222390/

MayoSalmon · 06-09-2018 4:01pm

Nobody will pass any heed on them..the Irish love the EU whether they want to admit to it or not.

LuckyLloyd · 06-09-2018 4:46pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

These lads will definitely be getting my vote.

The men of 1916 did not die so that Ireland could be ruled by the EU.

Nor did they die to thether themselves to Britain's ultimate folly.

ancapailldorcha · 06-09-2018 5:48pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

These lads will definitely be getting my vote.

The men of 1916 did not die so that Ireland could be ruled by the EU.

Why do people come out with nonsense like this? Do you have to repeat it so many times to ensure that you keep believing it. The EU does not rule Ireland.

The one positive thing about Brexit is that it's the best pro-EU argument that's ever been made.

martingriff · 07-09-2018 7:51pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

These lads will definitely be getting my vote.

The men of 1916 did not die so that Ireland could be ruled by the EU.

So the EU is ruling so it would not matter what party would be in government as everything happening can't be Fina Gaels fault it's all the EU

MayoSalmon · 07-09-2018 8:38pm

ancapailldorcha wrote:

The one positive thing about Brexit is that it's the best pro-EU argument that's ever been made.

How? If anything it shows exactly how protectionist and full of beauracarcy the EU is.

Like falling down a well and literally no way out..cesspit of a yoke gone way way past it's mandate.

ancapailldorcha · 07-09-2018 8:39pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

How? If anything it shows exactly how protectionist and full of beauracarcy the EU is.

Like falling down a well and literally no way out..cesspit of a yoke gone way way past it's mandate.

How on earth does it show that, exactly? The second half of your post is just meaningless soundbytes. By all means, add specifics if you know of any.

MayoSalmon · 07-09-2018 8:54pm

ancapailldorcha wrote:

How on earth does it show that, exactly? The second half of your post is just meaningless soundbytes. By all means, add specifics if you know of any.

The onus is on you to prove your argument that the Brexit negotiations are somehow showing the great worth of the EU.

Dr Brown · 07-09-2018 10:50pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The EU does not rule Ireland.

What are you talking about ?

We can't even pass a budget without EU approval.

They also control our interest rates because we locked into the Euro currency which is run for the benefit of Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak

ancapailldorcha · 08-09-2018 12:05am

Dr Brown wrote: »

What are you talking about ?

We can't even pass a budget without EU approval.

They also control our interest rates because we locked into the Euro currency which is run for the benefit of Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak

Not remotely the same as ruling a country. Ireland is free to leave the Euro.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 2:30am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Not remotely the same as ruling a country. Ireland is free to leave the Euro.

If you control the budget/money then you control the country.

Also we can't even have our own Immigration policy because of the EU.

The Lisbon treaty specifically mentions “burden-sharing” in terms of "refugee" policy.

A country that can not control its borders is not a country.

http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/lisbon.html

Larbre34 · 08-09-2018 3:47am

Dr Brown wrote: »

If you control the budget/money then you control the country.

Also we can't even have our own Immigration policy because of the EU.

The Lisbon treaty specifically mentions “burden-sharing” in terms of "refugee" policy.

A country that can not control its borders is not a country.

http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/lisbon.html

Thats one vote for Ireland's version of Golden Dawn so. You will never be convinced of your own nonsense so i wont even try.

I'm happy enough however that despite some bumps in the road, the vast majority of Irish people know and support the fact that our EEC / EC / EU membership has been single biggest factor in turning Ireland from the stagnating social and economic basket case it was by 1970 into one of the richest, most modern, open, progressive, influential, educated, flexible, diverse exemplar of a small nation anywhere in the World. Of course we have problems that need solving, no nation is ever complete, but the societal solutions are ours to debate and decide, within the EU principles we adopted.

I look forward to the Irexit Freedom Party getting more air-time. If their spokespeople are every time going to made as much of a twonk as Hermann Kelly was the other night, it'll be great entertainment.

ancapailldorcha · 08-09-2018 9:27am

Dr Brown wrote: »

If you control the budget/money then you control the country.

Also we can't even have our own Immigration policy because of the EU.

The Lisbon treaty specifically mentions “burden-sharing” in terms of "refugee" policy.

A country that can not control its borders is not a country.

http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/lisbon.html

Utter nonsense. Ireland signed up to both.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 2:12pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Utter nonsense. Ireland signed up to both.

Yes and we signed away our freedom.

The men of 1916 are turning in the graves.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 2:32pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Thats one vote for Ireland's version of Golden Dawn so. You will never be convinced of your own nonsense so i wont even try.

I'm happy enough however that despite some bumps in the road, the vast majority of Irish people know and support the fact that our EEC / EC / EU membership has been single biggest factor in turning Ireland from the stagnating social and economic basket case it was by 1970 into one of the richest, most modern, open, progressive, influential, educated, flexible, diverse exemplar of a small nation anywhere in the World. Of course we have problems that need solving, no nation is ever complete, but the societal solutions are ours to debate and decide, within the EU principles we adopted.

I look forward to the Irexit Freedom Party getting more air-time. If their spokespeople are every time going to made as much of a twonk as Hermann Kelly was the other night, it'll be great entertainment.

You should check your history Ireland was actually booming in the 1960s before we even joined the EU.

But if Ireland had joined the EU in 1960s the Europhiles would have claimed the growth of the economy was because of the EU.

I also look forward to the Irexit party getting air-time because they will blow many of the pro EU arguments out of the water.

Like the claim the EU "gave us money" when in reality they took far more money from us in terms of our fishing industry then they ever gave us.

But Irish politicians we never talk about this because they want to get on the EU gravy train just like Pádraig Flynn and others.

The only reason the Irish love the EU so much is because of the pro EU Propaganda that is pumped through the Irish media and the "education" system. When I was in school we use to have a class called "civics" which was nothing but EU Propaganda.

Larbre34 · 08-09-2018 3:10pm

Hermann Kelly tried to blow the Pro EU arguments out of the water on 'Tonight' during the week and he was made to look a bloody fool and a fascist. Even Ming Flanagan dismantled him.

Fishing? Imagine an Ireland that never entered the EEC, having to spend billions on fishery protection ships from the fleets of EU countries coming to our waters to clean up. The CFP isnt ideal but the overfished stocks must be protected and a common set of rules in the Region is the way to do that.

You mention it in isolation of course to suit your agenda, but what about Agriculture - Irish produce has the springboard of strong EU quality guarantees to become among the highest regarded in the World. And IT and Pharma and Innovation and Hospitality and Aircraft Leasing and BioTech... You know the high value stuff that actually employs people?

The common market has revolutionised Ireland. Your 1960s boom was nothing more than state agencies burning cash and some people in Stillorgan buying mini-skirts. Proof? It was a house of cards, killed by the first sniff of an oil crisis. Ireland would be in the toilet without the EU, but you already knew that.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 4:25pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Hermann Kelly tried to blow the Pro EU arguments out of the water on 'Tonight' during the week and he was made to look a bloody fool and a fascist. Even Ming Flanagan dismantled him.

Fishing? Imagine an Ireland that never entered the EEC, having to spend billions on fishery protection ships from the fleets of EU countries coming to our waters to clean up. The CFP isnt ideal but the overfished stocks must be protected and a common set of rules in the Region is the way to do that.

You mention it in isolation of course to suit your agenda, but what about Agriculture - Irish produce has the springboard of strong EU quality guarantees to become among the highest regarded in the World. And IT and Pharma and Innovation and Hospitality and Aircraft Leasing and BioTech... You know the high value stuff that actually employs people?

The common market has revolutionised Ireland. Your 1960s boom was nothing more than state agencies burning cash and some people in Stillorgan buying mini-skirts. Proof? It was a house of cards, killed by the first sniff of an oil crisis. Ireland would be in the toilet without the EU, but you already knew that.

The main reason the industries you mention are in Ireland is because of our low corporation tax not the EU.

As for the economy we had several down turns since the 1960s even though we part of the EU. The fact of the matter is that the country was booming in the 1960s without the help of the EU.

To say that Ireland would be in the toilet without the EU is laughable in the extreme. We would of got out of the recession far quicker if the EU hadn't forced us to pay off the banking debt.

Just ask the people of Greece how the EU has helped them over the past 10 years they literally are in the toilet.

Larbre34 · 08-09-2018 5:00pm

You need to decide on your chickens and eggs dear boy. We wouldn't have had the prosperity to the level that predicated the scale of the recession in the first place. Yes, cheap money due to euro membership was a big part of the puzzle, but the banking regulation, or lack of it, and the fiscal mess was all home grown.

The EU had to be harsh on Ireland as not to reward poor governance just as they had to be harsh on Greece for the same reason. Yes, Greece shouldnt have been admitted to the Euro in the first place, but their rampant corruption and mis-appropriation had to be tackled for the sake of future generations too.

Seth Brundle · 08-09-2018 5:02pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

Yes and we signed away our freedom.

What freedoms have we signed away?

Dr Brown wrote: »

The men of 1916 are turning in the graves.

Why are they turning in their graves? Because we are part of a large union that works for all members equally?
Did they spin around when we were run by the church and one of the most backward countries in Europe?

Seth Brundle · 08-09-2018 5:37pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

The main reason the industries you mention are in Ireland is because of our low corporation tax not the EU.

Other countries have relatively similar effective corp tax rates.
We have the attraction of having a well educated population of native English speakers who jave close ties with both America and Europe.
But none of that obviously counts.

Dr Brown wrote: »

As for the economy we had several down turns since the 1960s even though we part of the EU. The fact of the matter is that the country was booming in the 1960s without the help of the EU.

As for Ireland booming in the 60s: no we weren't! There was some growth but nothing in comparison to after we joined the EU.
Rural Ireland in the 60s was a complete craphole.

Dr Brown wrote: »

To say that Ireland would be in the toilet without the EU is laughable in the extreme. We would of got out of the recession far quicker if the EU hadn't forced us to pay off the banking debt.

We were in the toilet before the EU with very conservative economic policies. The aid from the EU along with being compelled to adhere to modern policies helped us out of the toilet to the point that were not a progressive multicultural nation.

Dr Brown wrote: »

Just ask the people of Greece how the EU has helped them over the past 10 years they literally are in the toilet.

Check your sources. Greece dug a massive hole for themselves through reckless economic policies. They had a choice when the crap hit the fan: take loans from Europe and follow economic prudence or leave the EU. They made the choice and are now on the road to recovery. If it was so bad their socialist government wouldnt have stucknwith the big bad EU but that doesnt follow your bulls**t narrative!

ancapailldorcha · 08-09-2018 5:53pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

Yes and we signed away our freedom.

The men of 1916 are turning in the graves.

Soundbytes tend to make for abysmal economic arguments. But then, we knew that before Brexit added to the sheer mountain of proof.

spurious · 08-09-2018 6:01pm

I doubt the 'men' of 1916 would support anything about this gang.

as a "patriotic party" it is "pro-nationalist and supportive of stable families for procreation".

Alarm bells right there.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 7:40pm

spurious wrote: »

I doubt the 'men' of 1916 would support anything about this gang.

as a "patriotic party" it is "pro-nationalist and supportive of stable families for procreation".

Alarm bells right there.

That's just common sense the family unit is the building block of any nation.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 7:48pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What freedoms have we signed away?

Immigration policy and monetary policy just to name two.

Why are they turning in their graves?

Because we gave away our sovereignty to the EU. What do you think 1916 was all about ?

Because we are part of a large union that works for all members equally?

So the EU works equally well for Ireland as it does for Germany ?

Did they spin around when we were run by the church and one of the most backward countries in Europe?

The church hasn't had serious influence in Ireland for decades.

Politically Correct Liberalism is the new religion of modern Ireland.

Larbre34 · 08-09-2018 8:00pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

That's just common sense the family unit is the building block of any nation.

They don't mean family units as the law in Ireland describes. They just mean married men and women to have babies and thats not what most Irish people accept as a definition any longer.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 8:05pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Other countries have relatively similar effective corp tax rates.
We have the attraction of having a well educated population of native English speakers who jave close ties with both America and Europe.
But none of that obviously counts.

The claim that Ireland is well "educated" has been repeated so many times that people actually believe it. Never mind the fact that we have some of highest illiterately rates in Europe and our Universities are sliding down in global rankings.

As for Ireland booming in the 60s: no we weren't! There was some growth but nothing in comparison to after we joined the EU.

In the 1980s the economy was a basket case yet the EU did nothing to save us back then.

We were in the toilet before the EU with very conservative economic policies. The aid from the EU along with being compelled to adhere to modern policies helped us out of the toilet to the point that were not a progressive multicultural nation.

The so called aid we got from the EU is nothing compared to the amount of money they took from us.

Also how is becoming a multicultural nation a good thing ? do you think Ireland should be like Sweden ?

Check your sources. Greece dug a massive hole for themselves through reckless economic policies. They had a choice when the crap hit the fan: take loans from Europe and follow economic prudence or leave the EU.

They should of left the EU. Merkel literally let greek people die on the streets yet she had no problem paying for "refugees" who were not even EU citizens.

They made the choice and are now on the road to recovery. If it was so bad their socialist government wouldnt have stucknwith the big bad EU but that doesnt follow your bulls**t narrative!

A Greek government that actually cared about its people would of left the EU.

Dr Brown · 08-09-2018 8:09pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

They don't mean family units as the law in Ireland describes. They just mean married men and women to have babies and thats not what most Irish people accept as a definition any longer.

All the data shows that Married couples provide the best environment to raise children.

I don't see how that's controversial ?

Annasopra · 08-09-2018 10:52pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

All the data shows that Married couples provide the best environment to raise children.

I don't see how that's controversial ?

Are you suggesting there is data suggesting that heterosexual couples are better to raise children? That is a lie. Its not controversial. It is wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Seth Brundle · 09-09-2018 8:39am

Dr Brown wrote: »

All the data shows that Married couples provide the best environment to raise children.

I don't see how that's controversial ?

What data?
All the scientific research has found that kids need a loving home and it doesn't matter if it's heterosexual or homosexual.
You're posts are based on spreading lies. If this is the new Ireland that you want the IMO you can feck right off.

09-09-2018 9:29am

Dr Brown wrote: »

Yes and we signed away our freedom.

The men of 1916 are turning in the graves.

I'm always bemused at the invocation of the men of 1916.
Sean Lemass was a veteran of the Easter Rising and he led us into the EEC.

I would be interested to know what the men and women of 1916 would make of us leaving a union of peers that has brought prosperity and growth to follow the path being beaten by Tories and the likes of Nigel Farage.

Wanderer78 · 09-09-2018 9:31am

Can't see these lads getting too far, as Brexit unfolds, they sound like they're stuck in a bit of a time warp, but shur best of luck to them

WinnyThePoo · 09-09-2018 12:05pm

I think their aim is try and get a mep seat. Hopefully the constituents cope what they are. Charlatans with slogans and no care for the Irish people at all.

Dr Brown · 09-09-2018 1:37pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Are you suggesting there is data suggesting that heterosexual couples are better to raise children? That is a lie. Its not controversial. It is wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.

Seth Brundle · 09-09-2018 2:33pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.

On average? What is that meant to mean? The average set of heterosexual parents are better than the average set of gay parents? Where did you read this?

Irish Praetorian · 09-09-2018 2:57pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.

OK, I'll bite; heres two of the most recent, and also largest, studies on the issue of SSM couples raising children;

http://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_Nontraditional_Families_Demography.pdf

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/lgb-parent-families-july-2014.pdf

They both suggest that the families on average do just as well (or even slightly better) than the typical heterosexual couple. Have you any evidence to dispute these claims?

Now I'll even toss a fig leaf here and say that that SSM families should make sure their children have a role model of the 'missing' gender so to speak - but on the fundamental question I think your simply mistaken about the statistical findings.

Annasopra · 09-09-2018 4:36pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.

That isnt true though. You are making completely false statements.

Seth Brundle · 09-09-2018 4:43pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That isnt true though. You are making completely false statements.

Just like his Brexit dream

mariaalice · 10-09-2018 10:56am

Interesting question if they got rid of the anti-same-sex marriage, anti the abortion, anti-emigration ultra nationalism xenophobic elements would their leave the eu message get more support.

maccored · 10-09-2018 11:41am

why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?

mcmoustache · 10-09-2018 12:16pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Interesting question if they got rid of the anti-same-sex marriage, anti the abortion, anti-emigration ultra nationalism xenophobic elements would their leave the eu message get more support.

There would no longer be an Irexit party for a start. The only reason that these people exist at all is that the country is too liberal for their liking and they think that leaving the EU will change the country back to how it was prior to Jack Lynch.

mcmoustache · 10-09-2018 12:21pm

maccored wrote: »

why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?

The time to do this was after the bailout. There would have been more of a populist appetite for it back then as there was some resentment over the bailout conditions.

Now, after seeing the shambles that is Brexit, there isn't a hope in hell of an Irexit movement getting off the ground in the near future. It would be like trying to sell thalidomide to pregnant women in 1957 versus trying to do it now.

Seth Brundle · 10-09-2018 12:36pm

maccored wrote: »

why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?

erm, that is Brexit in a nutshell!

Dr Brown · 10-09-2018 12:53pm

maccored wrote: »

why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?

Irexit might be the only way to avoid a hard border.

ancapailldorcha · 10-09-2018 12:54pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

Irexit might be the only way to avoid a hard border.

I don't see why Ireland should commit economic suicide simply because the UK did something monumentally stupid.

Irexit Freedom Party

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