BREXIT - The impact on importing cars?

mickdw · 25-06-2016 10:29pm

Might even be an advantage if exporting to uk.

Currently you need to prove registered to new owner in uk before revenue will consider rebate.
If exporting to outside of eu, you only need to prove that it has been exported.
I believe in general the whole Brexit thing will amount to swings and roundabouts.

CiniO · 25-06-2016 11:07pm

testicles wrote: »

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Yes, but once UK leaves EU those won't apply anymore.
UK will have to decide on their own import taxes, and I actually doubt they would impose any high duty on cars imported from EU.

First Up · 26-06-2016 4:23pm

CiniO wrote: »

UK will have to decide on their own import taxes, and I actually doubt they would impose any high duty on cars imported from EU.

Far too soon to know. Whatever the terms of trade for cars, it will be part of an overall agreement covering everything from agriculture to chemicals and the rest. At the same time as it is negotiating its exit from the Single Market, the UK will be negotiating trade deals with Japan, Korea, US, Canada etc.

Lots of moving parts.

September1 · 26-06-2016 4:56pm

maximum12 wrote: »

Neither you or anyone else has any idea what will happen if/when the UK leaves the EU.

Extremely unlikely they will be out within 2 years due to the legal complexities.

The only thing we know is that Sterling has fallen so UK cars are cheaper today than they were yesterday.

We do not know for sure even if there would be brexit at all indeed, but we can predict worst case scenario where there is no deal and UK reverts to trading on similar conditions as any other WTO country, in that case you would have to pay customs and VAT in imports.

maximum12 wrote: »

There's no VAT on goods imported from outside the EU.

That is not true, even in case of Norway or Switzerland.

Revenue office of one of EU countries explains it pretty well: https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/paying-vat-and-duty

nophd08 · 12-02-2017 8:49pm

Maye this has been covered before but Does anyone know will there be any changes regarding vrt when importing a car from the UK after brexit. Will it end up like importing from Japan with vat etc.

Sam Russell · 12-02-2017 8:49pm

nophd08 wrote: »

Maye this has been covered before but Does anyone know will there be any changes regarding vrt when importing a car from the UK after brexit. Will it end up like importing from Japan with vat etc.

Yes.

griffinlee · 03-02-2019 11:09pm

shortly il need a new motor with a new addition to the family , whats peoples thoughts on importing post brexit? do you think this will become more difficult come this april?

Oafley Jones · 03-02-2019 11:15pm

griffinlee wrote: »

shortly il need a new motor with a new addition to the family , whats peoples thoughts on importing post brexit? do you think this will become more difficult come this april?

If they crash out, definitely. You’ll be paying VAT and customs duty regardless of whether it’ll be new or used. And that’s not taking into account the probable chaos at the ports.

griffinlee · 03-02-2019 11:16pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

If they crash out, definitely. You’ll be paying VAT and customs duty regardless of whether it’ll be new or used. And that’s not taking into account the probable chaos at the ports.

i am thinkig the same. i dont need the car really till june time but its prob best to get it before march deadline....

kindalen · 03-02-2019 11:30pm

No expert, but would guess March exit will be delayed. There is literally no infrastructure to enforce it.

corvus4906 · 19-03-2019 3:04pm

So I bought a car in Belfast on 23rd February and drove it home, across the border.

The earliest VRT appointment I could get in an NCTS office was last Friday, March 15th.

At this appointment, I was told they couldn't register it there and then because my car details needed to be sent off for assessment, because:
(A.) the exact car details were not on their system. (Even though the exact car details were on the Revenue website estimation calculator - seems bizarre they don't have a single system to go by - but this is a separate issue)

(B.) My car was under 2 years old (it's 17 months old).

Anyway...This assessment process typically takes 10 days they said, but I called revenue to check and they mentioned there's a 3-4 week backlog currently.

My Question/Issue...
With Brexit looming (assuming it happens on March 29th) I could potentially be subject so 10% Customs fee + 23% VAT bill, all because of a delay on the NCTS/Revenue's side in having my car's VRT assessment processed. This deems daft in my mind.

I would hope/expect they should take the date of my NCTS appointment (March 15th) as the date to go by, considering they don't the exact date when I actually drove it into Ireland.

Am sure there's a few people in the same boat right now but wanted to get thoughts on what people think?

Marcusm · 19-03-2019 6:59pm

corvus4906 wrote: »

So I bought a car in Belfast on 23rd February and drove it home, across the border.

The earliest VRT appointment I could get in an NCTS office was last Friday, March 15th.

At this appointment, I was told they couldn't register it there and then because my car details needed to be sent off for assessment, because:
(A.) the exact car details were not on their system. (Even though the exact car details were on the Revenue website estimation calculator - seems bizarre they don't have a single system to go by - but this is a separate issue)

(B.) My car was under 2 years old (it's 17 months old).

Anyway...This assessment process typically takes 10 days they said, but I called revenue to check and they mentioned there's a 3-4 week backlog currently.

My Question/Issue...
With Brexit looming (assuming it happens on March 29th) I could potentially be subject so 10% Customs fee + 23% VAT bill, all because of a delay on the NCTS/Revenue's side in having my car's VRT assessment processed. This deems daft in my mind.

I would hope/expect they should take the date of my NCTS appointment (March 15th) as the date to go by, considering they don't the exact date when I actually drove it into Ireland.

Am sure there's a few people in the same boat right now but wanted to get thoughts on what people think?

The point for both VAT and VRT will have arisen at the latest when you drive across the border. The fact that you have presented yourself to NCTS is proof that the car has entered Ireland.

hotrodder · 19-03-2019 7:11pm

Marcusm wrote: »

The point for both VAT and VRT will have arisen at the latest when you drive across the border. The fact that you have presented yourself to NCTS is proof that the car has entered Ireland.

I'm in the same boat. They told me that some valuations are still coming back aftr two weeks. Fingers crossed. I'm not sure how long insurance company will allow me drive it on yellow plates ??

Poor Farmer in the hills · 20-03-2019 11:01pm

If I import a car from the UK tomorrow and cannot get a VRT appointment until April could i be subject to the 20% tariff on diesels in the event of a crash out Brexit. I would hope the date of import should be the day it came into Ireland??

Marcusm · 20-03-2019 11:44pm

That is correct. VRT woukdn’t Be the issue however. That would be customs duties and VAT but equally not a problem.

Scoondal · 21-03-2019 6:07am

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

If I import a car from the UK tomorrow and cannot get a VRT appointment until April could i be subject to the 20% tariff on diesels in the event of a crash out Brexit. I would hope the date of import should be the day it came into Ireland??

Things may or may not go to hell on 30 March.
At whatever date a "NO DEAL" occurs you will then be liable for VAT and customs duties.

corvus4906 · 21-03-2019 2:50pm

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

If I import a car from the UK tomorrow and cannot get a VRT appointment until April could i be subject to the 20% tariff on diesels in the event of a crash out Brexit. I would hope the date of import should be the day it came into Ireland??

I'm in a very similar situation to what you're talking about.

I bought a car on 23rd of Feb.
I had my VRT appointment last Friday on 15th of March.

I was told my car needs to be assessed for VRT, and there's a backlog of 3-4 weeks currently.

So i'm worrying that they will not get around to assessing it until after the 29th...and when they come back to me with a VRT figure, and i go to pay it in the office, they try hit me with a VAT and Customs bill for 33% of the Sterling price i paid...on top of my VRT.

Very worried about it - especially unfair as the delay is on revenue's side considering i brought my car for assessment LAST WEEK.

Marcusm · 21-03-2019 4:03pm

corvus4906 wrote: »

I'm in a very similar situation to what you're talking about.

I bought a car on 23rd of Feb.
I had my VRT appointment last Friday on 15th of March.

I was told my car needs to be assessed for VRT, and there's a backlog of 3-4 weeks currently.

So i'm worrying that they will not get around to assessing it until after the 29th...and when they come back to me with a VRT figure, and i go to pay it in the office, they try hit me with a VAT and Customs bill for 33% of the Sterling price i paid...on top of my VRT.

Very worried about it - especially unfair as the delay is on revenue's side considering i brought my car for assessment LAST WEEK.

No need to worry as you have already imported it before Brexit day.

Poor Farmer in the hills · 21-03-2019 10:14pm

I hope you are right Marcusm!

Isambard · 21-03-2019 10:22pm

yes , it's the date of import that matters. In any event the date is looking more likely to be May22nd now

corvus4906 · 22-03-2019 2:20pm

Isambard wrote: »

yes , it's the date of import that matters. In any event the date is looking more likely to be May22nd now

I hope that's right too.

1 question though... how do you officially capture a 'date of import' as there's no really way to prove when you drove it across the border.

Do we know for sure they take the date of VRT appointment or something?

Date of sale seems odd because that doesn't prove you brought it across the border the same day.

awec · 22-03-2019 2:37pm

corvus4906 wrote: »

I hope that's right too.

1 question though... how do you officially capture a 'date of import' as there's no really way to prove when you drove it across the border.

Do we know for sure they take the date of VRT appointment or something?

Date of sale seems odd because that doesn't prove you brought it across the border the same day.

For cars from NI I think they presume the date of import is the date of purchase on the invoice, and if it isn't then you have to prove that the car was kept somewhere in NI until the date you really did import it.

corvus4906 · 22-03-2019 2:44pm

awec wrote: »

For cars from NI I think they presume the date of import is the date of purchase on the invoice, and if it isn't then you have to prove that the car was kept somewhere in NI until the date you really did import it.

Hope that's true so

Bizarre to me that Revenue can give you an estimated quote for an exact model car but then (in my case) say "oh we actually use a different system which that car is not on". They should really use the same system and remove the additional bottleneck.

Marcusm · 22-03-2019 4:22pm

corvus4906 wrote: »

Hope that's true so

Bizarre to me that Revenue can give you an estimated quote for an exact model car but then (in my case) say "oh we actually use a different system which that car is not on". They should really use the same system and remove the additional bottleneck.

You had the VRT appointment so they examined the car and can confirm that you imported it into the state. There’s hardly any stronger evidence.

corvus4906 · 22-03-2019 5:00pm

Marcusm wrote: »

You had the VRT appointment so they examined the car and can confirm that you imported it into the state. There’s hardly any stronger evidence.

100% agree but still dubious and won't believe I'm in the clear till and it's paid. Have zero faith in the system

Isambard · 22-03-2019 5:57pm

awec wrote: »

For cars from NI I think they presume the date of import is the date of purchase on the invoice, and if it isn't then you have to prove that the car was kept somewhere in NI until the date you really did import it.

nowadays they look at when the UK tax on it ran out and assume that was the date of import apparently.

hotrodder · 22-03-2019 6:18pm

Isambard wrote: »

nowadays they look at when the UK tax on it ran out and assume that was the date of import apparently.

That can't be the case as a lot of garages have cars with tax that expired months ago.

newmember2 · 22-03-2019 6:37pm

It's already been said, the date of import is taken as the day of sale unless you have some acceptable documentation to prove otherwise like an invoice for storage fees, ferry tickets, etc.

Isambard · 22-03-2019 7:00pm

hotrodder wrote: »

That can't be the case as a lot of garages have cars with tax that expired months ago.

they have a special arrangement. They don't have to pay VRT until the car is sold

(to make it clear, my post is for cars from Northern Ireland where there isn't a ferry ticket obviously).

michellie · 23-03-2019 1:40pm

hotrodder wrote: »

That can't be the case as a lot of garages have cars with tax that expired months ago.

Garages that are TAN holders are not subjected to penalties and can keep cars on their forecourt for months.

Isambard wrote: »

nowadays they look at when the UK tax on it ran out and assume that was the date of import apparently.

This is the case if proof of shipping/invoice wasn't provided.

Anyone who is currently still waiting to hear back with the price, you shouldn't incur penalties, they will amend it when you're returning to pay. Backlog at the moment is 4/5 weeks.

michellie · 23-03-2019 1:44pm

corvus4906 wrote: »

Hope that's true so

Bizarre to me that Revenue can give you an estimated quote for an exact model car but then (in my case) say "oh we actually use a different system which that car is not on". They should really use the same system and remove the additional bottleneck.

It is the same system(provided you're only using the Ros.ie calculator) , but certain types of cars at a certain age will always go to Revenue for manual valuation.

Isambard · 23-03-2019 2:20pm

michellie wrote: »

This is the case if proof of shipping/invoice wasn't provided.

.

In deed it is, my comment was directed at people who think they can us the old "bought it in NI" ruse (when the car in fact has been in the Republic for years) and get away with it. They are wise to that one.

michellie · 23-03-2019 6:56pm

Isambard wrote: »

In deed it is, my comment was directed at people who think they can us the old "bought it in NI" ruse (when the car in fact has been in the Republic for years) and get away with it. They are wise to that one.

Yes this ! Still many people trying that!

awec · 24-03-2019 10:52pm

They definitely don't check the tax for NI imports. Imported a NI car last week, UK tax was out for ages.

The VRT form has a box you fill in for date of import. If the date of import, or the purchase date on the invoice is more than 30 days ago you need to provide proof that the car was imported at a date later than the purchase date. If it's within 30 days then no questions asked.

This is with an invoice from a motor dealer. Not sure what they would do if you turned up with a made up invoice from a private seller in NI.

Isambard · 25-03-2019 11:01am

obviously no need for them to be checking if there is other supporting documents. It's the guys who are claiming the car came from NI when it had been in their possesion for years they will check for.

mickey15ie · 25-03-2019 11:47am

Morning all,

I am in a similar case and would be good if anyone knows the answer to the below.

I am living in the UK since 2010, i bought a car in Feb 2018. I have met the 6 months for owning a car over here. under current conditions i would not be liable for any VRT, VAT or custom duty.

But i am moving back on the first week of June 2019, what will be the situation then?

bazz26 · 25-03-2019 1:17pm

Nobody can answer that because we don't know how Brexit will play out yet. The landscape is literally changing every day.

Charles Babbage · 26-03-2019 12:44am

mickey15ie wrote: »

Morning all,

I am in a similar case and would be good if anyone knows the answer to the below.

I am living in the UK since 2010, i bought a car in Feb 2018. I have met the 6 months for owning a car over here. under current conditions i would not be liable for any VRT, VAT or custom duty.

But i am moving back on the first week of June 2019, what will be the situation then?

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/reliefs-and-exemptions/transfer-of-residence.aspx

transfer of residence is not connected to the EU, people sometimes bring back cars from the US, Dubai or Australia. So you should be OK.

bazz26 · 26-03-2019 12:50am

But he could be liable for VAT and customs duty on the car as the UK could be outside the EU by then.

Esel · 26-03-2019 9:08pm

bazz26 wrote: »

But he could be liable for VAT and customs duty on the car as the UK could be outside the EU by then.

Not if it is a Transfer of Residence importation.

michellie · 26-03-2019 10:36pm

bazz26 wrote: »

But he could be liable for VAT and customs duty on the car as the UK could be outside the EU by then.

No charges, the TOR covers all of that. Non EU TORs are dealt with through a seperate section, not the usual local revenue office.

adunis · 01-09-2019 11:58am

Vat on purchase + shipping plus cousins duty
Then pay the vrt ?
21%+10%+vrt
Just like a US IMPORT ?

colm_mcm · 01-09-2019 12:47pm

In practice that’s unlikely.

adunis · 01-09-2019 1:03pm

Pray tell why ?,when the tossers crash out they won't be in the EU

Marcusm · 01-09-2019 2:49pm

adunis wrote: »

Vat on purchase + shipping plus cousins duty
Then pay the vrt ?
21%+10%+vrt
Just like a US IMPORT ?

VAT is 23% not 21%

colm_mcm wrote: »

In practice that’s unlikely.

Without an agreement for a transition or an ongoing customs arrangement with the U.K., Ireland will have no choice. Most favoured nations clauses in other agreements will mean that the U.K. cannot be treated better while there is no actual agreement. That may mean that there is an interregnum after a crash our/no deal until a deal is (eventually) made.

Mooooo · 01-09-2019 3:48pm

Marcusm wrote: »

VAT is 23% not 21%

Without an agreement for a transition or an ongoing customs arrangement with the U.K., Ireland will have no choice. Most favoured nations clauses in other agreements will mean that the U.K. cannot be treated better while there is no actual agreement. That may mean that there is an interregnum after a crash our/no deal until a deal is (eventually) made.

Vat

martyoo · 01-09-2019 4:03pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Vat

It's spelled VAT.

Marcusm · 01-09-2019 6:21pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Vat

Value added tax is conventionally shortened to VAT; otherwise it could be misconstrued as referring to a vessel for storing liquid.

InTheShadows · 01-09-2019 10:01pm

adunis wrote: »

Pray tell why ?,when the tossers crash out they won't be in the EU

Why are they "tossers" ?

Mooooo · 01-09-2019 10:26pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Value added tax is conventionally shortened to VAT; otherwise it could be misconstrued as referring to a vessel for storing liquid.

Battery died as I went to edit. Commercial vehicles if I'm correct will have to pay uk VAT buying as well as Irish VAT when importing

BREXIT - The impact on importing cars?

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