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Galway Races/Arts festival, closing for COVID?

  • 01-04-2020 10:39am
    #1
    Whereisgalway
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    Surely they have to cancel the arts festival and the races this year


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  • #2
    Ashleigh1986
    Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ashleigh1986


    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    Surely they have to cancel the arts festival and the races this year[/QUOTE

    To early to make that call just yet .
    From an economic point of view ... Losing both events would cost the city tens of millions in revenue .
    Imagine by the 1st of June if we had gone tru the worst of this , the government announced that people could go back to work and socialise .
    I don't expect our airports / and ports to be allowed to accept tourists for all of 2020 .
    Galway arts and racing festival could be Irish peoples only holiday of the year .
    The month of April is going to be huge regarding how this all plays out .


  • #3
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Potentially the races could run behind closed doors.


  • #4
    Ashleigh1986
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Potentially the races could run behind closed doors.

    They could ... But ...
    They wouldn't allow it if bookies / pubs / restaurants and hotels were still shut .
    They all go hand in hand .
    We need to get on top of this in April ... As in reach our peak .
    What's wordying is NOT the amount of testing been done BUT the length of time it's taken for results to come true .
    Wouldn't be at all surprised if the amount of testers in labs is shockingly low and that's where the problem is .


  • #5
    Whereisgalway
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    Surely they have to cancel the arts festival and the races this year[/QUOTE

    To early to make that call just yet .
    From an economic point of view ... Losing both events would cost the city tens of millions in revenue .
    Imagine by the 1st of June if we had gone tru the worst of this , the government announced that people could go back to work and socialise .
    I don't expect our airports / and ports to be allowed to accept tourists for all of 2020 .
    Galway arts and racing festival could be Irish peoples only holiday of the year .
    The month of April is going to be huge regarding how this all plays out .

    wimbledon and the Olympic were due to run in July/August and have both been cancelled


  • #6
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Problem is if at the end of this month if we have zero cases for 15 full days once we have flights open from active areas we have potential to be back where we are today within 2 or 3 weeks. They need to isolate all visitors from countries with active cases.


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    Whereisgalway wrote: »

    wimbledon and the Olympic were due to run in July/August and have both been cancelled

    Totally different events and can’t be compared to the races from a logistics point of view (qualifying also etc). Also Wimbledon starts mid June which is a lot closer.

    The races could be a fairly late call imo no need to be jumping into cancelling the biggest week of the year in Galway. It could be the saviour of many businesses in Galway too which can’t be forgotten.


  • #8
    Whereisgalway
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    Lydia Tasteless Vial wrote: »
    Totally different events and can’t be compared to the races from a logistics point of view (qualifying also etc). Also Wimbledon starts mid June which is a lot closer.

    The races could be a fairly late call imo no need to be jumping into cancelling the biggest week of the year in Galway. It could be the saviour of many businesses in Galway too which can’t be forgotten.


    They need to be making the call fairly soon tbh


  • #9
    Ashleigh1986
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    Would be surprised if a decision made on galways 2 major events would be made before May 1st .
    If at all possible we need to reopen by July 1st .
    That's 13 weeks away still .
    A lot ( as has been proven over past month ) can change in the next 13 weeks .


  • #10
    DuckSlice
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    I think both will be cancelled, would look very bad on the city if events all over the country and world are being cancelled but these were to go ahead.

    The Irish open due to be held in may in Kilkenny has been cancelled, that's probably the highest profile event cancelled so far.


  • #11
    WallyGUFC
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Problem is if at the end of this month if we have zero cases for 15 full days once we have flights open from active areas we have potential to be back where we are today within 2 or 3 weeks. They need to isolate all visitors from countries with active cases.
    Flights other than cargo should be suspended indefinitely really.


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  • #12
    Mrs OBumble
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    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    They need to be making the call fairly soon tbh

    Why?


  • #13
    beardybrewer
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Problem is if at the end of this month if we have zero cases for 15 full days once we have flights open from active areas we have potential to be back where we are today within 2 or 3 weeks. They need to isolate all visitors from countries with active cases.

    This makes it sound like we aren't letting in flights from affected areas today. On the contrary on the radio they were talking about a flight of 150+ people coming in from New York. I don't think we've locked out any flights yet and there is no forced quarantine for new arrivals.


  • #14
    Whereisgalway
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Why?

    To avoid a disaster like the 2020 opening where it was called off too late

    Fail to prepare prepare to fail


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    Both will not be going ahead.

    We won't be done with covid-19 until there is a vaccine so large scale events will all be cancelled or be modified to such an extent as to largely negate the local value of them

    Another important aspect to remember is the sponsorship. By the time the races come around a lot of the existing sponsors may have gone to the wall. One big race is sponsored by a car sales company..... Can't imagine too many sales happening


  • #16
    Mrs OBumble
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    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    To avoid a disaster like the 2020 opening where it was called off too late

    Fail to prepare prepare to fail

    Too late for what?

    I'm sure there are preparations for a variety of scenarios going on already. Including but not limited to cancellation.


  • #17
    Kingp35
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    There is zero chance that either will go ahead.


  • #18
    Whereisgalway
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Too late for what?

    I'm sure there are preparations for a variety of scenarios going on already. Including but not limited to cancellation.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/edinburghs-summer-festivals-cancelled-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-991456.html

    All the info you need


  • #19
    Kingp35
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    Edinburgh has just cancelled all it's August festivals, including the fringe festival.


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    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Edinburgh has just cancelled all it's August festivals, including the fringe festival.

    Yep

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-52121586


  • #21
    Whereisgalway
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    Lydia Tasteless Vial wrote: »
    Totally different events and can’t be compared to the races from a logistics point of view (qualifying also etc). Also Wimbledon starts mid June which is a lot closer.

    The races could be a fairly late call imo no need to be jumping into cancelling the biggest week of the year in Galway. It could be the saviour of many businesses in Galway too which can’t be forgotten.

    Surely people's health is more important than a few hoteliers, Publicans and bookies


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  • #22
    Ashleigh1986
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    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    Surely people's health is more important than a few hoteliers, Publicans and bookies

    Yes health is obviously more important that a few hoteliers / publicans/ bookies ....
    But a country's economy is also extremely important .
    Having employment for peoples mental state is extremely important.
    Having people working paying their taxes is extremely important .
    These providers of same are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT .
    When we finally get to deal with the virus , you will be extremely thankful , as will any other person living in Ireland , of any business that provides employment to deal with the mess that's going to be left over after all this .


  • #23
    Whereisgalway
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    Yes health is obviously more important that a few hoteliers / publicans/ bookies ....
    But a country's economy is also extremely important .
    Having employment for peoples mental state is extremely important.
    Having people working paying their taxes is extremely important .
    These providers of same are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT .
    When we finally get to deal with the virus , you will be extremely thankful , as will any other person living in Ireland , of any business that provides employment to deal with the mess that's going to be left over after all this .

    They cancelled every other sporting event big and small on around the same time.


  • #24
    cal naughton
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    "These providers of same are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT .
    When we finally get to deal with the virus , you will be extremely thankful , as will any other person living in Ireland , of any business that provides employment to deal with the mess that's going to be left over after all this .[/quote]

    Of course the economy is extremely important that goes without saying. However people will be very cautious about how they will now spend there time after the business closure ban has been lifted. Will they want to pack into a public house on shop street during race week? I don't think they will the same goes for the racecourse ,Gaa matches and even hotels! Who knows who has been in the hotel room the night before.

    So definitely Health has to placed higher than the needs of the economy right now.


  • #25
    Mrs OBumble
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    I say again Too Late for What????


  • #26
    [Deleted User]
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    Whats the benefit for cancelling them now?

    No one knows where we will be in 3 months time


  • #27
    Kingp35
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    I say again Too Late for What????

    Too late to avoid looking like incompetent fools.


  • #28
    Storm 10
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    Wimbledon is cancelled now


  • #29
    Ashleigh1986
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    cal naughton wrote: »
    "These providers of same are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT .
    When we finally get to deal with the virus , you will be extremely thankful , as will any other person living in Ireland , of any business that provides employment to deal with the mess that's going to be left over after all this .

    Of course the economy is extremely important that goes without saying. However people will be very cautious about how they will now spend there time after the business closure ban has been lifted. Will they want to pack into a public house on shop street during race week? I don't think they will the same goes for the racecourse ,Gaa matches and even hotels! Who knows who has been in the hotel room the night before.

    So definitely Health has to placed higher than the needs of the economy right now.[/QUOTE]

    Health is priority right now with the government ... That's why we have shutdowns .
    There is no need at the moment or even in the month of April to make a decision regarding arts / racing festival .
    Even in May it's still plenty of time to make that decision.
    Galway business's are going to need all the help when/ if they're to reopen.
    Those 3 weeks will be vital for any business going forward .
    If galway remains closed for those 3 weeks the problems
    for many business's would go to another level .
    A decision regarding Olympic Games / Wimbledon etc have to made much quicker because they are world renowned events .
    As people already know the arts / racing festivals can get some businesss throw the winter up to Christmas .


  • #30
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    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Wimbledon is cancelled now

    It starts a month and a half before the races. There is no need to be making any decision until June at the earliest.

    I am fully aware and fully agree with people health being important but why cancel something that may well be safe to go ahead with by the time it comes around.

    There is zero talk of cancelling the All-ireland championship for example either.


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  • #31
    Whereisgalway
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    Lydia Tasteless Vial wrote: »
    It starts a month and a half before the races. There is no need to be making any decision until June at the earliest.

    I am fully aware and fully agree with people health being important but why cancel something that may well be safe to go ahead with by the time it comes around.

    There is zero talk of cancelling the All-ireland championship for example either.

    Edinburgh festival which on the same time has been cancelled and there’s a lot of talk about the championships been forfeited


  • #32
    westgolf
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    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    Of course the economy is extremely important that goes without saying. However people will be very cautious about how they will now spend there time after the business closure ban has been lifted. Will they want to pack into a public house on shop street during race week? I don't think they will the same goes for the racecourse ,Gaa matches and even hotels! Who knows who has been in the hotel room the night before.

    So definitely Health has to placed higher than the needs of the economy right now.

    Galway business's are going to need all the help when/ if they're to reopen.Those 3 weeks will be vital for any business going forward .If galway remains closed for those 3 weeks the problems
    for many business's would go to another level .

    As people already know the arts / racing festivals can get some businesss through the winter up to Christmas .[/quote]

    This is it in one short paragraph.


  • #33
    pure.conya
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    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    Surely people's health is more important than a few hoteliers, Publicans and bookies

    LOL ðŸ˜


  • #34
    pure.conya
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    I say again Too Late for What????

    So, do you think everybody connected to the races and arts festival all book their flights, accommodation and the rest the week before they arrive to Galway? The time to cancel is most definitely now


  • #35
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    pure.conya wrote: »
    So, do you think everybody connected to the races and arts festival all book their flights, accommodation and the rest the week before they arrive to Galway? The time to cancel is most definitely now

    No it isn’t, any decision can wait until at least June. It would be stupid to do it now before seeing how the next 2 months pan out.


  • #36
    Ashleigh1986
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    There's no need to cancel galways busiest 3 weeks just yet .
    If come the 1st of June we are left with just Irish tourists ,that are allowed to travel to galway so be it .
    We will certainly know a awful lot more in 8 weeks time .
    We have huge advantages over other countries / cities regarding the coranavirus .
    (1) we are an island
    (2) our population is extremely small especially outside Dublin .
    (3) so far the authorities have been doing a good job .
    (4) a high percentage of the Irish people are doing what's been asked ....
    At the end of this Irish people will want to let their hair down and enjoy a break .
    I know some will say they won't have the money , but there will plenty that will just want to party even if it's just a couple of days in galway .


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  • #37
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    Lydia Tasteless Vial wrote: »
    No it isn’t, any decision can wait until at least June. It would be stupid to do it now before seeing how the next 2 months pan out.

    Some things to consider

    1. Most international performers won't be able to travel to Galway to perform
    2. No large gatherings will be permitted until such time as there has been a large enough % (95%) of the population either infected or inoculated. We are currently have 0.07% of the population known to be infected.
    3. Sponsorship has dried up everywhere already, radio stations, newspapers etc are on the verge of collapsing. There won't be any spare funds for the arts or nags at that time.

    The ONLY thing that could have things back to normal by then would be a vaccine. That's still a year away at best.

    So, by all means, wait until June to announce the cancellation, but it will be cancelled or run in such a way as to negate any benefit to the local economy i.e. Behind closed doors with no visitors to the local area due to the closed hotels/restaurants/bars.

    Also, this https://www.rte.ie/amp/1127889/


  • #38
    youngrun
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some things to consider

    1. Most international performers won't be able to travel to Galway to perform
    2. No large gatherings will be permitted until such time as there has been a large enough % (95%) of the population either infected or inoculated. We are currently have 0.07% of the population known to be infected.
    3. Sponsorship has dried up everywhere already, radio stations, newspapers etc are on the verge of collapsing. There won't be any spare funds for the arts or nags at that time.

    The ONLY thing that could have things back to normal by then would be a vaccine. That's still a year away at best.

    So, by all means, wait until June to announce the cancellation, but it will be cancelled or run in such a way as to negate any benefit to the local economy i.e. Behind closed doors with no visitors to the local area due to the closed hotels/restaurants/bars.

    Also, this https://www.rte.ie/amp/1127889/


    Cannot see anything happening in Galway this summer.

    A vaccine is only about half effective at treating cases so that is no panacea. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/prevention-and-control/vaccine-effectiveness

    The way this is going everyone will be on long term lockdown as there is no clear way out of it given current public health concerns

    It is an impossible fix . Most of us will never work again or see our parents or friends ever again.


  • #39
    ben.schlomo
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    youngrun wrote: »
    Cannot see anything happening in Galway this summer.

    A vaccine is only about half effective at treating cases so that is no panacea. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/prevention-and-control/vaccine-effectiveness

    The way this is going everyone will be on long term lockdown as there is no clear way out of it given current public health concerns

    It is an impossible fix . Most of us will never work again or see our parents or friends ever again.
    You should really take a break from being online, it's clearly not doing you any favours judging by your posts. Get some exercise or read a book, anything else but being online.


  • #40
    Whereisgalway
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    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    You should really take a break from being online, it's clearly not doing you any favours judging by your posts. Get some exercise or read a book, anything else but being online.


    Honestly there is a lot going on in the World right now, no need to be acting the maggot in here, most of us like yourselves and youngrun are trying to adjust to a new normal and are busy, no need to be patronising


  • #41
    Mrs OBumble
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    youngrun wrote: »
    It is an impossible fix . Most of us will never work again or see our parents or friends ever again.

    BS.

    At worst we just need to let everyone catch is slowly, so that we don't run out of ICU beds.

    At best, it mutated next week so that the symptoms aren't so deadly.

    And lots of people are still working BTW.


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  • #42
    biko
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    Although Schlomo may be a bit direct your comment
    youngrun wrote: »
    Most of us will never work again or see our parents or friends ever again.
    seems very depressed, and I understand. This is a very stressful time for all of us.

    There are resources to help https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062109


  • #43
    youngrun
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    BS.

    At worst we just need to let everyone catch is slowly, so that we don't run out of ICU beds.

    At best, it mutated next week so that the symptoms aren't so deadly.

    And lots of people are still working BTW.

    I am only expressing my view

    Must be 25 per cent plus not working including construction sector . And rising. Up from 4 per cent on dole early March

    Government say the restrictions will continue . Indefinitely , There is no exit strategy and no pathway per them I am hearing

    This is not going to end soon.

    No Races. No Festivals, and no future for Galway at present.


  • #44
    youngrun
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    biko wrote: »
    Although Schlomo may be a bit direct your comment

    seems very depressed, and I understand. This is a very stressful time for all of us.

    There are resources to help https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062109

    Thanks.


  • #45
    Whereisgalway
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    BS.

    At worst we just need to let everyone catch is slowly, so that we don't run out of ICU beds..

    Borris Johnson has the same thinking as that


  • #46
    Mrs OBumble
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    Whereisgalway wrote: »
    Borris Johnson has the same thinking as that

    Nope. His plan had them catch it up-front.

    We are about flattening the curve - not zeroing it.


  • #47
    Whereisgalway
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Nope. His plan had them catch it up-front.

    We are about flattening the curve - not zeroing it.

    Research is inconclusive if you can catch it a second time but it’s a resounding fact that you can die and make no mistake about it mrs o bumble people of all ages have and will continue to die from catching it once


  • #48
    grbear
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    I'd say a call will have to be made on the Arts Festival in the next week or two. Considering the international element of the whole thing I'd say it will probably be cancelled.

    I don't see the need to cancel the races just yet. Wait until the May bank holiday has passed and then make the call one way or the other.


  • #49
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    youngrun wrote: »
    I am only expressing my view

    Must be 25 per cent plus not working including construction sector . And rising. Up from 4 per cent on dole early March

    Government say the restrictions will continue . Indefinitely , There is no exit strategy and no pathway per them I am hearing

    This is not going to end soon.

    No Races. No Festivals, and no future for Galway at present.

    While the situation is not good it’s also not as bad as you are making out. Sure many sectors are temporarily being hit hard but this is not an ordinary recession type scenario and the work and trade etc has not just disappeared it’s simply on hold.

    Also there are a lot of sectors not badly impacted, particularly things like IT and other tech areas which would be traditionally hit very hard. The Galway based company I work for is not impacted, we can all work from home indefinitely (I do it regularly anyway) and I know many more people in a similar scenario.

    It’s not good for your mental health to have such a bad outlook.


  • #50
    Utopia Parkway
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    youngrun wrote: »
    I am only expressing my view

    Must be 25 per cent plus not working including construction sector . And rising. Up from 4 per cent on dole early March

    Government say the restrictions will continue . Indefinitely , There is no exit strategy and no pathway per them I am hearing

    This is not going to end soon.

    No Races. No Festivals, and no future for Galway at present.

    Governments cannot hide their populations away indefinitely. It's just not sustainable economically or even psychologically and will end up causing massive problems in its own right. Eventually things will have to reopen and go back to normal whether we like it or not. The only question is when and that will probably differ depending on how badly affected individual countries are.


  • #51
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    Governments cannot hide their populations away indefinitely. It's just not sustainable economically or even psychologically and will end up causing massive problems in its own right. Eventually things will have to reopen and go back to normal whether we like it or not. The only question is when and that will probably differ depending on how badly affected individual countries are.

    Its definitely possible to do, but not until you have sufficient testing capacity to keep testing a large volume of people on an ongoing basis. For Ireland that would be about 50,000 a week. We were at 30k tests in total as of last Sat.

    South Korea have done this and managed covid-19 without any major lockdowns or impacts to society at large. That being said, they also issued every household a qty (10?) of face masks and had a continuous supply of them with no price gouging allowed

    So yeah, you can do it, but you need to have a lot of things in place first


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