Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 9:06pm

Suttree wrote: »

The absolute bang of incel off this thread at the moment is horrendous.

Ah that's too easy. Although I don't agree with the poster who's sympathising with the imaginary incel/MGTOW landlord is only fair to get some sex from tenants. I don't agree with just throwing the incels under the bus either.

I don't think sex is a commodity which should be spread around so everyone gets some (seriously a proposal incels put forward). But I definitely don't want to simply ridicule them, they have enough problems without being bullied on top.

But being incel is absolutely no excuse for exploiting poor people to squeeze sex from them.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 9:09pm

Suttree wrote: »

The absolute bang of incel off this thread at the moment is horrendous.

theres a very recent hum of feminism too.

JP Liz V1 · 20-09-2019 9:11pm

Feisar wrote: »

This isn't a housing crisis issue, it's a dirty bastard issue.

Dail perfect place so

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 9:12pm

20Wheel wrote: »

that tangent is what im curious about and why im here.

but anyway, in response to the question, i don't think its something which you can make a blanket judgement on since the contexts will differ a lot in any number of imaginary scenarios.

for example; high society party girl (or boy) is so sick of daddy not giving her money for a penthouse and she blew this years inheritance on coke and vacations, now her only option is to blow one of her dads friends for a beach house etc etc. (yes i know, its very porno)

vs some poverty scenario. addict in winter.

so theres a moral range/spectrum here.

and we can turn that question back to you. if you can't answer it just say so.

man (or woman) hasn't been laid in a millennium, cry-**** himself to sleep. has a spare room, or some other means of exchange, and stumbles upon some girl who may possibly be interested in a mutual agreement.

is he a scumbag?

Is he a scumbag? Not a word I'd see as relevant to the discussion.

Your question is, at what point is it OK to exploit someone for sex. I really can't think of a point where that becomes OK. That's my answer.

At what point does that become OK to exploit sex from someone for you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 9:45pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is he a scumbag? Not a word I'd see as relevant to the discussion.

Your question is, at what point is it OK to exploit someone for sex. I really can't think of a point where that becomes OK. That's my answer.

At what point does that become OK to exploit sex from someone for you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?

or on the other hand.

at what point does it become acceptable to use your sexuality to exploit goods/services from someone?

some jewelry? a job? a house? a marriage contract?

good behavior as one so sees fit, the attendance of boring sht, the tolerance of family members, and the completion of household chores?

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 9:48pm

20Wheel wrote: »

or on the other hand.

at what point does it become acceptable to use your sexuality to exploit goods/services from someone?

some jewelry? a job? a house? a diamond and gold ring?

good behavior as one so sees fit, the attendance of boring sht, and the completion of household chores?

Wow. You really believe that women are asexual and only use sex to barter, don't you?

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 9:52pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Wow. You really believe that women are asexual and only use sex to barter, don't you?

nah that never happens.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 10:02pm

20Wheel wrote: »

nah that never happens.

It's probably misplaced, but I actually feel sorry for you

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 10:03pm

20Wheel wrote: »

or on the other hand.

at what point does it become acceptable to use your sexuality to exploit goods/services from someone?

some jewelry? a job? a house? a marriage contract?

good behavior as one so sees fit, the attendance of boring sht, the tolerance of family members, and the completion of household chores?

I don't know. Do you like that kind of behaviour too?

The question in asked was:
At what point does that become OK to exploit someone for sex, to you you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?

anewme · 20-09-2019 10:06pm

Nasty thread.

Some real women haters in here.

Toxic.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 10:16pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

It's probably misplaced, but I actually feel sorry for you

oh its misplaced.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't know. Do you like that kind of behaviour too?

The question in asked was:
At what point does that become OK to exploit someone for sex, to you you? 2 years without sex. 2 months? 20 years?

cant pick an exact point. but its somewhere between $1000 an hour jet setting escort and homeless addict.

i guess it depends on the two consenting adults involved.

as for the time-based question, that would figure too.
if someone is suffering for 20 years then thats a bit different to someone who hasn't had their jollies in a few days.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 10:20pm

20Wheel wrote: »

as for the time-based question, that would figure too.
if someone is suffering for 20 years then thats a bit different to someone who hasn't had their jollies in a few days.

OK. So what point does it become OK to for a landlord to exploit you or your son for blowjobs for rent?

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 10:32pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

OK. So what point does it become OK to for a landlord to exploit you or your son for blowjobs for rent?

at the point where i (he) choose(s) that option.

at what point does it become unacceptable for the lonely frustrated person to go on with no intimacy/contact.

does this same standard apply to you?

20-09-2019 10:42pm

RyanGarcia wrote: »

In my opinion it should be perfectly ok to exchange sexual favours for money whether it's man to man, man to woman, woman to man or woman to woman.

I believe we should not treat adults as overgrown children. Adults should be given the autonomy and agency to make informed decisions for themselves.

What should not be permitted is misleading your counterparty abiut the nature of the transaction. For example selling "Limited" mobile data which is in fact limited. That is exploitation as it exploits information asymmetry and misleads the customer

That was a fast turnaround.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 10:54pm

RyanGarcia wrote: »

I disagree with both you and El Duderino.

There is nothing wrong with paying for sex but likewise nobody is entitled to sex. If someone can't find someone to have sex that is there problem to figure out. They should either pay for it, or learn how to become more attractive.

those aren't my words.

Assetbacked · 20-09-2019 11:11pm

anewme wrote: »

Nasty thread.

Some real women haters in here.

Toxic.

Block. Block. Block. Block.

Safe space. Ignore the offline, real world.

Some real ostriches in here.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2019 12:45am

20Wheel wrote: »

at the point where i (he) choose(s) that option.

at what point does it become unacceptable for the lonely frustrated person to go on with no intimacy/contact.

does this same standard apply to you?

So no level of exploitation is off the table?

Your question is :
"At what point does it become
unacceptable for a lonely frustrated person to go on with no intimacy/contact?"

I don't understand the question. What does "unacceptable" mean in this context. If you mean at what poi t does it become OK to exploit a vulnerable person for sex, then I'd say there is no point where it becomes acceptable to exploit a vulnerable person for sex.

Of course that standard would apply to me. I don't consider myself entitled to exploit anyone for sex at any point. Sexual exploitation is off the table as far as I'm concerned.

Same question to you. At what point of being lonely and frustrated would this kind of sexual exploitation become acceptable for you?

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2019 12:55am

20Wheel wrote: »

those aren't my words.

Nor are they my words. No idea what that poster was getting at. That's pretty much exactly what I would say so I'm not sure what they're disagreeing with in me.

Uncle Charlie · 21-09-2019 1:00am

This kind of thing has been going on since the dawn of time.

AllForIt · 21-09-2019 1:04am

anewme wrote: »

Nasty thread.

Some real women haters in here.

Toxic.

Well maybe but it all kicked off as a result of what an odious woman said, - to a man, unsurprisingly.

I really do think that politicians should be reprimanded for reprehensible comments they make in the Dail, even ones where the reprehensible comment is inferred whether meant or not. Barred from the chamber for a week sorta thing for example.

Minime2.5 · 21-09-2019 1:09am

Ok this is how simple this stupid ****ing argument gets . Just say there is a group of people that like ice cream cones and there is one particular shop that sells them at a premium monetary cost or for sex . However there is another shop up the road that also sells ice cream cones that are cheaper but aren't quiet as nice and the transaction of sex isnt on offer so your options are

A. Pay the premium monetary price
B. Pay with sex
C.Go with the inferior but cheaper option up the road

At the end of the day the power of choice is always with the consumer

anewme · 21-09-2019 7:29am

Assetbacked wrote: »

anewme wrote: »

Nasty thread.

Some real women haters in here.

Toxic.

Block. Block. Block. Block.

Safe space. Ignore the offline, real world.

Some real ostriches in here.

In the real world, you'd get pulled up pretty promptly if you started sprouting a fragment of the toxic the ****e that's written here about women.

If you were man enough to say it openly that is, and not behind an anonymous keyboard.

Hoboo · 21-09-2019 8:16am

GRENADE !!!!

Annasopra · 21-09-2019 8:50am

Feisar wrote: »

Why are people making a housing issue out of this?

It is a housing issue

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2019 9:13am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It is a housing issue

Fundamentally, that's what it is. That's the angle I'd like the government to take. Increase the housing stock in highest demand areas. Make housing affordable and these kind of arrangements wouldn't really occur.

21-09-2019 9:35am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It is a housing issue

No it’s not. The tenants were moving out. The landlord allegedly made an indecent proposal to one of them which was rightly rejected.

21-09-2019 9:45am

Women have always used sex as a weapon with men they are not attracted to, and a lot of men fall for it. What disgusts them about this is a man using this against them. It's way women are far more worried about getting old than men are, and many mothers fight with their daughters ... They see the effect their daughters have on men that they once had. Its also why women think the best of people as women get treated better than men do in general.

The vast majority of men OTOH never had that power in the first place so getting older is no big deal, in fact it's often am improvement as they gain status as they get older.

It's also laughable when people say gender is a social construct... Gender is framed around how humans sexually reproduce.

Mr E · 21-09-2019 10:43am

Mod: Pro tip guys, if someone with less than 10 posts comes in here with a men-are-strong, women-are-weak tone, it's most likely a poster who has been reregistering for YEARS. We ban them on sight and delete their posts without prejudice. If you reply to them, you're wasting your time because your posts may also be deleted.

osarusan · 21-09-2019 11:33am

Mr E wrote: »

Mod: Pro tip guys, if someone with less than 10 posts comes in here with a men-are-strong, women-are-weak tone, it's most likely a poster who has been reregistering for YEARS. We ban them on sight and delete their posts without prejudice. If you reply to them, you're wasting your time because your posts may also be deleted.

Maybe lock the thread for a while to give the sad wanker a reason to vacate the basement?

Mr E · 21-09-2019 11:36am

Good idea.

Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

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