Teaching boys to box

marieholmfan · 09-10-2018 8:19am #1

What is a good age to teach boys to box and very importantly having taught him to throw a punch how do I stop him from doing it in ordinary rough and tumble play.

FTA69 · 09-10-2018 8:23am

Traditionally the age was around ten in Ireland but in other countries it’s much younger. I went to Cuba to train for a month and the kids over there were in a full time academy by around eight years old. My own club now does young kids classes and there’s a huge focus on learning through play as well, kids are around five or six years old.

I wouldn’t worry about them suddenly breaking out three punch combos during messing in school, that’s inculcated into them very quickly from their coaches. Kids doing boxing were never the type to take liberties like that in my opinion.

Boxing will instill a great sense of discipline into any child and it’s a tremendously positive activity. As soon as any young person of mine is old enough they’ll have gloves on.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-10-2018 8:24am

marieholmfan wrote: »

What is a good age to teach boys to box and very importantly having taught him to throw a punch how do I stop him from doing it in ordinary rough and tumble play.

What age is the child?.

Bring him to a boxing club and see if he likes it, but my recommendation would be some kind of grappling style like Judo, BJJ, Freestyle Wrestling ~ these all come naturally to children, its how they play in a group.

Put a bunch of young lads in a field and watch them roll around rough housing, and that's why I always recommend grappling.

marieholmfan · 09-10-2018 8:35am

FTA69 wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry about them suddenly breaking out three punch combos during messing in school, that’s inculcated into them very quickly from their coaches. Kids doing boxing were never the type to take liberties like that in my opinion.

I plan to teach the absolute rudiments myself.

FTA69 · 09-10-2018 8:49am

I'm not trying to be smart but are you a boxer or coach yourself?

RiderOnTheStorm · 09-10-2018 8:51am

Part of the formal training of boxing and martial arts is discipline. When young fellas (and girls!) have confidence in their self defense they dont get themselves into fights (usually!)

"We learn karate, so we never have to use karate."
.....The Simpsons

marieholmfan · 09-10-2018 9:02am

FTA69 wrote: »

I'm not trying to be smart but are you a boxer or coach yourself?

Very reasonable question; not a bit smart. I boxed as a teenager and am in my early forties. Haven't sparred for 11 years. Boy is seven. My dad taught me (he was actually good though (LOL)). I have a lot of memories of it and it was a space for talking as well.

FTA69 · 09-10-2018 9:18am

marieholmfan wrote: »

Very reasonable question; not a bit smart. I boxed as a teenager and am in my early forties. Haven't sparred for 11 years. Boy is seven. My dad taught me (he was actually good though (LOL)). I have a lot of memories of it and it was a space for talking as well.

Sounds good mate, all the best with it.

KungPao · 09-10-2018 9:26am

I win for me! FOR ME!

Foxhound38 · 10-10-2018 9:03pm

I started when I was about 10. The trick is to find a good club. Used to box at St. Joseph's in Ballyboden - there was an aul fella (in his 70's), probably dead and buried now who used to attend ever session at my old club - he could barely breath with the wheezing let alone throw a punch, but everyone respected him - he was tough as nails back in the day (there was an old picture of him in the club finishing a marathon 50 odd years ago with a smoke hanging out of his mouth). He often spoke to the lads at the club about using their fists outside the ring - told us all that it wasn't what a man did. He did more than that too - jesus, I still remember the bollocking he gave me at 16 when he found out I was smoking.

It also kept me fit as a fiddle at the time, and disciplined.

Boxing was an extremely positive influence on my formative years - I'd recommend it to anyone.

The Rape of Lucretia · 10-10-2018 9:11pm

No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

One eyed Jack · 10-10-2018 9:23pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

I won’t say you’re wrong, as it’s very much subjective, but horseplay (or roughhousing as they call it Stateside) has been shown to be good for children -

https://psychcentral.com/lib/6-benefits-of-roughhousing-for-kids/

For what it’s worth OP, my brother started my niece in boxing at 7 years of age, and I’ve always enjoyed horseplay with my child. It has many benefits including keeping fit, fostering their social skills, as well as the benefits listed above.

TheValeyard · 10-10-2018 9:32pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

Wouldnt be my sport, but if it keeps young lads off the streets, away from drugs, gives them motivation, a purpose and trains them in discipline, then im all for it.

corner of hells · 10-10-2018 9:47pm

Have you dropped into the box factory recently , I hear they be recruiting for kids to box crackers for Christmas.

Grayson · 10-10-2018 9:50pm

Have you given him a few slaps to see how he handles it? If he still cries then he's too young.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 11-10-2018 12:05am

marieholmfan wrote: »

Very reasonable question; not a bit smart. I boxed as a teenager and am in my early forties. Haven't sparred for 11 years. Boy is seven. My dad taught me (he was actually good though (LOL)). I have a lot of memories of it and it was a space for talking as well.

Send him to a club, try a few in your area. He'll click with one.

I love coaching, I love new people regardless age coming to the club. I particularly like coaching females, because not one of them has ever told me they used to box as a teenager.

Forget about boxing as a teenager, if you want the kid to box (or learn any kind of combat sport) send him to a club and let him get proper coaching, don't even try coach from the sidelines (these parents are a nightmare).

Best of luck with the lad.

Outlaw Pete · 11-10-2018 12:12am

marieholmfan wrote: »

What is a good age to teach boys to box.....

Don't forget the girls...... little tigers like this one coming up, they need to be prepared too.

https://twitter.com/FG_jayson/status/1017151165442805765

harry Bailey esq · 11-10-2018 12:41am

marieholmfan wrote: »

What is a good age to teach boys to box and very importantly having taught him to throw a punch how do I stop him from doing it in ordinary rough and tumble play.

My club minimum age is ten

harry Bailey esq · 11-10-2018 12:51am

Marc Glamorous Specimen wrote: »

Send him to a club, try a few in your area. He'll click with one.

I love coaching, I love new people regardless age coming to the club. I particularly like coaching females, because not one of them has ever told me they used to box as a teenager.

Forget about boxing as a teenager, if you want the kid to box (or learn any kind of combat sport) send him to a club and let him get proper coaching, don't even try coach from the sidelines (these parents are a nightmare).

Best of luck with the lad.

Bracken in balbiggan is turning out a good few young lads well able to take straps for Ireland. Crank has been pro for three or four years now. Wish him all the best in the world, but fighting for your supper is a dirty business, shame really.

Donald Trump · 11-10-2018 12:52am

FTA69 wrote: »

Traditionally the age was around ten in Ireland but in other countries it’s much younger. I went to Cuba to train for a month and the kids over there were in a full time academy by around eight years old. My own club now does young kids classes and there’s a huge focus on learning through play as well, kids are around five or six years old.

Prince Naseem started when he was 7*

But back to being a little serious, in some countries, I think they don't announce a winner in bouts until maybe even 15. I think there is a minimum age in Ireland now too. Not so sure though. Haven't been in a proper club in about 10 years

*Just winding up from a different thread

Donald Trump · 11-10-2018 12:56am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

That's ok. You just don't know what you are talking about. It's a common mistake due to ignorance and zero experience. No harm done. People who have even a basis idea or experience of what it is in reality won't be threatened by your opinion

Donald Trump · 11-10-2018 1:03am

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Bracken in balbiggan is turning out a good few young lads well able to take straps for Ireland. Crank has been pro for three or four years now. Wish him all the best in the world, but fighting for your supper is a dirty business, shame really.

Whatever happened to the other fella down there. A banger. Boxed senior. Never won them though but I think won the intermediates. Half claimed to have broken Mayweather's ribs in sparring. Then disappeared

twowheelsonly · 11-10-2018 1:08am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Prince Naseem started when he was 7*

But back to being a little serious, in some countries, I think they don't announce a winner in bouts until maybe even 15. I think there is a minimum age in Ireland now too. Not so sure though. Haven't been in a proper club in about 10 years

*Just winding up from a different thread

Some clubs will start them as young as 6 or 7 but that's usually, but not always, when the coaches are related to the kids in some way. Usually it's 9 or 10 and 'officially' it's either 11 or 12 to start competitive boxing - pretty sure that it's 11 though. Even at that age novice boxers may still fight exhibition fights, where there is no winner, rather than go straight into competitive bouts.

Great sport for both fitness and discipline.

In Ireland you can't box as a pro until you're 18 although Irelands youngest professional, James Power, is only 17. He can box outside the country and did so recently in Mexico.

Back to the OP, I'd be inclined to get him into a club as well. Start at home and see if he really likes it then take him along to a local club to have a look around and see what other age kids are there.

harry Bailey esq · 11-10-2018 1:15am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Whatever happened to the other fella down there. A banger. Boxed senior. Never won them though but I think won the intermediates. Half claimed to have broken Mayweather's ribs in sparring. Then disappeared

Rodgey? Sparred mayweather for months, blow for blow. Never heard anything from him about moneys ribs though. Personal trainer now

Donald Trump · 11-10-2018 1:18am

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Rodgey? Sparred mayweather for months, blow for blow. Never heard anything from him about moneys ribs though. Personal trainer now

Found this

https://www.the42.ie/robert-gorman-3550758-Aug2017/

11-10-2018 7:07am

marieholmfan wrote: »

What is a good age to teach boys to box and very importantly having taught him to throw a punch how do I stop him from doing it in ordinary rough and tumble play.

We have been teaching our kids (now 8 and 4) the rudiments and basics of Brazilian Ju-jitsu since they turned 3. So I would say there is no right or wrong age to start with something like that. At every age there are some rudiments you can start off with - even from 3 - which will feed into good training and full training later.

As for stopping them during "ordinary rough play" - that is a good argument for starting their training early. Because the earlier it is the more likely it is that this play will either be with you or supervised by you. So if and when you see them "turn it on" at an inappropriate time you can shut it down - or shut the play down - and quite early instil in them that there is a correct time and place to switch into that mode - and consequences like loss of play and fun when it is done at the wrong time.

Peatys · 11-10-2018 7:15am

My girls are 5 & 4 and they love Taekwondo.
Boxing club lower age limit is 8, they'll be joining when they're old enough.

King of Kings · 11-10-2018 8:32am

my youngest two box age 4 and 7.
4 year old is a once a week class for 30min.
7 year old is now in the 7 -17 class and goes twice a week.
they love it.

eldest boxed for about a year when he was 13 but is now a difficult teen and wont do nothing

I didnt do boxing but did kickboxing and muay thai for quite a while so its something thats always been in the house.

Mint Sauce · 11-10-2018 8:37am

I'm sure its like most other Martial Arts, where its more about disapline, self control, respect, confidence, and motivation, rather then knocking the head of an opponent, then I am all for it.

marieholmfan · 11-10-2018 9:33am

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I'm sure its like most other Martial Arts, where its more about disapline, self control, respect, confidence, and motivation, rather then knocking the head of an opponent, then I am all for it.

It is mostly about stopping other boys from hitting you to be honest.

pickarooney · 11-10-2018 1:44pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Found this

https://www.the42.ie/robert-gorman-3550758-Aug2017/

Fantastic article. Thanks

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-10-2018 1:48pm

Does children's boxing training involve blows to the head?

FTA69 · 11-10-2018 1:51pm

Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »

Does children's boxing training involve blows to the head?

Depends. Ten year olds can be sparring yeah, that's how you learn.

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-10-2018 1:54pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Depends. Ten year olds can be sparring yeah, that's how you learn.

Proper punches? In some martial arts traing the sparring is all pulled punches - taps really.

Mean Laqueefa · 11-10-2018 1:57pm

Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »

Proper punches? In some martial arts traing the sparring is all pulled punches - taps really.

yeah but they are only kids, no weight behind anything, head protection and massive gloves, they cant do damage if they tried

FTA69 · 11-10-2018 2:02pm

Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »

Proper punches? In some martial arts traing the sparring is all pulled punches - taps really.

Proper, controlled technical sparring is what's encouraged. As the poster above said too, at that young an age they can't do any real damage anyway. Sparring is done to inculcate the techniques they learn and prepare them for competition. It's not a case of 11 year olds knocking each other out with blood and guts trench warfare.

Pkiernan · 11-10-2018 2:04pm

My 5 year old has been learning Tae Kwando since his 4rh birthday.

The discipline of the class and good parentli g will prevent him starting fights in school.

Yer Da sells Avon · 11-10-2018 2:07pm

If I ever have kids, I think I'd prefer that they were able to talk their way out of trouble and, if that fails, run really quickly.

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-10-2018 2:09pm

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

yeah but they are only kids, no weight behind anything, head protection and massive gloves, they cant do damage if they tried

Thanks. Kids' boxing won't be for my kid so.

I remember getting hard enough punches not that much older than 10, without training that I'm aware of. Not like a proper punch from an adult, but enough to give a black eye for example.

I think I read the head protection does sfa to protect the brain - could even be worse than not using it.

Probably sound preachy but I dont mean to. Dont view it as my business if other people get formal boxing training for their kids or not.

spurious · 11-10-2018 2:14pm

The really good amateur boxers don't get hit much.
It's as much about avoiding being hit as smacking them out yourself.

Your Face · 11-10-2018 2:46pm

You're never to young to learn how to throw a punch.
I'd also teach him basic self-defence and some of the dark arts.
There's no way to stop him using his skills during play but if he's a decent young fella it probably won't happen.

Mean Laqueefa · 11-10-2018 2:50pm

Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »

Thanks. Kids' boxing won't be for my kid so.

I remember getting hard enough punches not that much older than 10, without training that I'm aware of. Not like a proper punch from an adult, but enough to give a black eye for example.

I think I read the head protection does sfa to protect the brain - could even be worse than not using it.

Probably sound preachy but I dont mean to. Dont view it as my business if other people get formal boxing training for their kids or not.

its not preachy man alls good.

Honest of you dont think its for your kid that your choice and massive respect. I would add though you may look at black eyes and being whalloped when young, but it does happen in every sport, many i time ive been bruised up in football or GAA, my sister used to have black eyes from netball all the time. Kids are tough and i think the lessons you learn about it outweigh it for me.

I would be with Makkomi and get them into judo or any grabbling, there built for it anyway and always good to know how to land safely

FTA69 · 11-10-2018 3:33pm

spurious wrote: »

The really good amateur boxers don't get hit much.
It's as much about avoiding being hit as smacking them out yourself.

Not everyone is really good too I suppose. If you're competing and sparring you are going to get tagged from time to time. As Tyson Fury said, you can't go swimming without getting wet.

Mint Sauce · 11-10-2018 5:25pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

If I ever have kids, I think I'd prefer that they were able to talk their way out of trouble and, if that fails, run really quickly.

And be able to give a slap back if they really have to.

Feisar · 11-10-2018 6:28pm

Your Face wrote: »

You're never to young to learn how to throw a punch.
I'd also teach him basic self-defence and some of the dark arts.
There's no way to stop him using his skills during play but if he's a decent young fella it probably won't happen.

Dark arts? Like the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique? Or a Ringsend Uppercut!

Situational awareness is the best self defence going, that and a good shopping list.

Your Face · 11-10-2018 7:41pm

Feisar wrote: »

Dark arts? Like the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique? Or a Ringsend Uppercut!

Situational awareness is the best self defence going, that and a good shopping list.

An example would be a kick in the balls, amongst other techniques.

No point in preparing for a bout of Queensbury Rules after being blindsided by a scumbagerino.

thebaz · 11-10-2018 7:55pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

no its not - boxing teaches discipline, self confidense and self defense , and much needed physical excercise - when so many negative past times are on offer to our young - computers/drugs /smoking/binge drinking - but no, molly coddle our children , keep thme couped up inside , playing chess.

Pug160 · 11-10-2018 8:36pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

There's an argument to be made for that. But could you elaborate further? Where is the line drawn exactly? Many contact sports such as rugby can be every bit as brutal. I think most people are in agreement that a bit of grappling/wrestling is healthy for young kids. I reckon there might actually be two cases to be made here at both ends of the spectrum. One is the potential dangers of too much physical contact and the other is of the potential consequences of a complete lack of any contact at all.

Of course genetics would surely play a role in this too: some kids will simply take to rough play more than others and might benefit from it more. It's also not a bad idea to be able to defend yourself on some level. Would you be ''barbaric'' if you had to be? Admittedly, most people can go through their entire lives without needing to defend themselves or use force. But is there a case to be made for some kind awareness to be instilled in people at least? The point I'm trying to get at here is that if no one was willing to use any force there would be no protection given to people in situations where security or police were not around to help. Not sure if you saw it or read about it but a Spanish man was recently awarded (posthumously) a bravery medal in England for his role in trying to help during one of the terror attacks. I noticed they said he was a skateboarder. It's not a combat sport and certainly not barbaric but it's very physical and requires a lot of bravery.

Feisar · 11-10-2018 10:36pm

Your Face wrote: »

An example would be a kick in the balls, amongst other techniques.

No point in preparing for a bout of Queensbury Rules after being blindsided by a scumbagerino.

kick in the balls = Ringsend Uppercut.

Blindsided, see my point on situational awareness.

After that it's the three F's.

First
Fast
Furiuos

After that get a solicitor and try justify yer actions.

Feisar · 11-10-2018 10:39pm

By the by if I ever decide to go down the gangster route I'm investing in a groin guard, everyone thinks a kick in the balls is some sort of great leveller.

Your Face · 12-10-2018 9:43am

Feisar wrote: »

kick in the balls = Ringsend Uppercut.

Blindsided, see my point on situational awareness.

After that it's the three F's.

First
Fast
Furiuos

After that get a solicitor and try justify yer actions.

Furiuos - that's what wins fights.

Teaching boys to box

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