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Why is there ever a debate about who was the best Irish Sports person ever? *READ OP*

  • 22-07-2020 6:25pm
    #1
    sxt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭


    It is Roy Keane

    There is no other Irish person close. Who ever is second, is a distant second

    He is the most influential sports person in Irish sporting History, and in British football history, and one of the most influential in World soccer history

    19 major titles

    An inspirational force of nature with the guile, skill and will to win at all costs, he almost demanded it, and he inspired his team to do it. One of a very select few Irish sports persons to excel in the heat of battle.

    He literally dragged Man utd to their first Champions league win. Putting in an inspirational performance against Juventus in the the semi finals when they were looking at certain defeat against. Diego Maradona was left slack jawed at the dominance of the performance

    This is a player that would have been the first pick on any team or country in the world.

    This is a guy who played in the biggest and most competitive sport on the planet

    His legend will live on for centuries

    Mod:

    partyguinness and Randy Archer do not post in this thread again.

    Constant back and forth bickering cleaned up. Anymore of this nonsense will result in further thread bans and/or other sanctions


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, he’s neither.


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Katie Taylor could go the distance.


  • #4
    sxt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭sxt


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    No, he’s neither.

    Can you name an Irish sports star that would compare?


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Michelle Smith de Bruin


  • #6
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    I hate to say it, as I can't stand him, but conor mcgregor would certainly be up there on the list


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  • #7
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,398 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Keane doesn’t even have as many Olympic medals as Jack B. Yeats.


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    italodisco wrote: »
    I hate to say it, as I can't stand him, but conor mcgregor would certainly be up there on the list

    Couldn't think of a worse ambassador, McGregor is a feral knackbag.


  • #9
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Ap McCoy


  • #10
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    italodisco wrote: »
    I hate to say it, as I can't stand him, but conor mcgregor would certainly be up there on the list




    Not a fcukin chance


  • #11
    sxt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭sxt


    italodisco wrote: »
    I hate to say it, as I can't stand him, but conor mcgregor would certainly be up there on the list

    In regards to the amount of people who play football vs the people who practise MMA World wide, I don't think he can be


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  • #12
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    James Cecil Parke


  • #13
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Collie D wrote: »
    Keane doesn’t even have as many Olympic medals as Jack B. Yeats.

    Or Nobel prize


  • #14
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Seán Kelly!


  • #15
    jaykay74
    Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    George Best


  • #16
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    sxt wrote: »
    Roy Keane

    There is no other Irish person close. Who ever is second, is a distant second

    He is the most influential sports person in Irish sporting History, and in British football history

    Any objections?

    Yeah, you're probably right. The sport Keane played in, is played by millions of people world wide, so to be competitive at a high level in such a popular sport is indeed a great achievement.

    There are probably only a handful of elite MMA fighter so McGregor doesn't compare.


  • #17
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Edgware wrote: »
    Or Nobel prize
    You're mixing up your Yeatses there!


  • #18
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,398 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    cdeb wrote: »
    You're mixing up your Keatses there!

    And you’re mixing your Yeats with your Keats :)


  • #19
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Christy ring


  • #20
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Collie D wrote: »
    And you’re mixing your Yeats with our Keats :)
    Damned ninja edit wasn't quick enough! :mad:


  • #21
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,352 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    By what measure? Henry Shefflin earned more silverware, captained more teams, and played for longer. Not international though.

    The question is, as both Keane and Shefflin would agree no doubt, pointless. And any answer would be incorrect as it could easily be logically dismantled. ‘Who was the best ever’ is a mindset lads carry over from the playground debates of which was the best dinosaur, and Oasis v Blur.


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  • #22
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    The o Donovan brothers


  • #23
    DrGreenThumb82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭DrGreenThumb82


    Jack Charlton. Won a World Cup. Beat that Roy Keane


  • #24
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Clifton Hugh Lancelot de Verdon Wrottesley

    Came fourth in the skeleton in the Winter Olympics despite us not having any aul bit of snow since that one time yer man hit his head off the footpath on the news


  • #25
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Michelle Smith de Bruin

    Our most successful Olympian does get forgotten about in these lists.


  • #26
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    If there's no debate, it calls into question the logic of starting a thread about it.


  • #27
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    endacl wrote: »
    By what measure? Henry Shefflin earned more silverware, captained more teams, and played for longer. Not international though.

    The question is, as both Keane and Shefflin would agree no doubt, pointless. And any answer would be incorrect as it could easily be logically dismantled. ‘Who was the best ever’ is a mindset lads carry over from the playground debates of which was the best dinosaur, and Oasis v Blur.

    Aye. 'Tis subjective.


  • #28
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    joe40 wrote: »

    There are probably only a handful of elite MMA fighter so McGregor doesn't compare.

    Yes, there’s only 5 elite MMA fighters in the world today.


  • #29
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Pillar caffrey


  • #30
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Roy Keane is not even the best footballer. In this order
    1. Liam Brady
    2. Paul McGrath
    3. John Giles
    4. Roy Keane


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  • #31
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    italodisco wrote: »
    I hate to say it, as I can't stand him, but conor mcgregor would certainly be up there on the list

    BOllocks.


  • #32
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    sxt wrote: »
    Roy Keane

    There is no other Irish person close. Who ever is second, is a distant second

    He is the most influential sports person in Irish sporting History, and in British football history

    Any objections?

    hes not even the greatest ever footballer - soccer player we have produced


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    hes not even the greatest ever footballer - soccer player we have produced

    George best?


  • #34
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Its between Taylor and Padraig Harrington for me. I think with what KT has done she edges it but I will always have a soft spot for Paddy.


  • #35
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    italodisco wrote: »
    I hate to say it, as I can't stand him, but conor mcgregor would certainly be up there on the list

    :D


  • #36
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    DrGreenThumb82 wrote: »
    Jack Charlton. Won a World Cup. Beat that Roy Keane

    It's a common misconception that Big Jack won the World Cup with England in 1966. He actually won it with Ireland in 1990, thanks in no small part to Packie Bonner's amazing save when Toto Schillaci tried to score for Italy in the quarter finals.


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  • #37
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Its clearly *insert some random GAA player from my county*.

    My choice would be Keane and McGrath's lovechild.


  • #38
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    DrGreenThumb82 wrote: »
    Jack Charlton. Won a World Cup. Beat that Roy Keane

    Also, was English.


  • #39
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    .anon. wrote: »
    It's a common misconception that Big Jack won the World Cup with England in 1966. He actually won it with Ireland in 1990, thanks in no small part to Packie Bonner's amazing save when Toto Schillaci tried to score for Italy in the quarter finals.

    Packie parried the shot with such velocity it fell into Jack Charltons path, who had the relatively easy task of slotting past an unsighted albeit not-bald-yet Walter Zenga.


  • #40
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Deleted User wrote: »
    George best?

    George Best was as british as finchely


    paul mc grath was a better player , at least for ireland

    never saw him play but anyone ive spoken to , claims john giles was better than keane


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Our most successful Olympian does get forgotten about in these lists.
    As far as I know, Jimmy Magee still protests her innocence. There are none so blind ...

    Edit. He's dead isnt he? RIP memory man Jimmy Magee


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  • #42
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    Its between Taylor and Padraig Harrington for me. I think with what KT has done she edges it but I will always have a soft spot for Paddy.

    People take away from what McGregor did due to MMA being a niche sport and to a point that's fair enough. But womens boxing has to be an even shallower talent pool.


  • #43
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    George Best was as british as finchely

    He was from Belfast, which is in Ireland, not Britain, as can clearly be seen from aerial photographs.


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    As far as I know, Jimmy Magee still protests her innocence. There are none so blind ...

    Hes dead with years :pac:


  • #45
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Roy Keane is not even the best footballer. In this order
    1. Liam Brady
    2. Paul McGrath
    3. John Giles
    4. Roy Keane

    Your having a laugh, the other 3 are only legends by Irish Standards. Keane is a legend by world standards, he's one of the best players to ever play in English football.


  • #46
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    McGrath would be up there in fairness.

    Cracked out our Euro 88 game against England the other evening (ITV commentary for some reason). Ron Atkinson said McGrath was probably the best defender in the tournament. Couldn't get over us playing him in centre-mid


  • #47
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    .anon. wrote: »
    He was from Belfast, which is in Ireland, not Britain, as can clearly be seen from aerial photographs.

    he identified as british so has to be excluded


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    George Best was as british as finchely

    "You can't be an Ulsterman without being an Irishman", who said that?

    Ian Paisley.

    If that dirty bigot could call himself an Irishman, then so was George Best.


  • #49
    ronano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,147 ✭✭✭ronano


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Michelle Smith de Bruin

    You're taking the whiskey smelling piss


  • #50
    deckie66
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭deckie66


    Pat O'Callaghan - double Olympic Gold Medalist Amsterdam 1928 & Los Angeles 1932


  • #51
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    "You can't be an Ulsterman without being an Irishman", who said that?

    Ian Paisley.

    If that dirty bigot could call himself an Irishman, then so was George Best.

    if best saw himself as irish , thats good enough for me , i dont think he did however

    if he is irish

    he is out in front as the best ever sports person from this country - island


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