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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Second entry down is the birth record of Mary Brogan, daughter of Bernard Brogan and Martha Burrows.

    For Date and Place of Birth I'm reading -

    Fourth
    March
    1866
    Nerney's
    Cottages
    Sandwith
    Street not __________ ???

    What do you think that last word is?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭ath262


    not numbered

    there's a small x where he was going to put the number


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Good spot ath!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dia squish


    Looking at entries 479 and 480 here.

    479 - Can't figure out the place of death, occupation, or the word under the informant's name (cousin?)

    480 - Cause of death?

    Also - anyone think these two entries are referring to the same person? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    479 & 480 - seems to relate to the same person with slight differences in details; the first informant is Anastatia Kavanagh Cullen, present at death, residence 52 Mountjoy Square; the second informant was Nicholas Whyte esq, Coroner for the city of Dublin
    place of death - Jervis St Hospital; residence [hard to read] 4 Court & House Ball? on off Great Hawkins ... Lisyard???
    occupation 479 ship stoker; 480 ship fireman
    cause of death: 479 Fracture of the skull, inquest; 480 fracture of the skull by falling into the hold of a ship accidental, inquest held 10 July 88

    Freeman's Journal 10 July 1888 p3 reports that he died in the hold of the Steamer "Longford"; the inquest was told he fell 23ft into the hatch, verdict accidental death [Dublin Daily Express 11 July 1888]


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    479 Place of death was Jervis St hospital, but I think after that is a Liverpool address.
    Occupation - Ship _____?
    Given the dreadful writing, could be cousin.

    **edit
    Checking the papers for inquest reports, it seems he fell 23 feet down a hatchway into the hold of the steamer Longford.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭dia squish


    KildareFan wrote: »
    479 & 480 - seems to relate to the same person with slight differences in details; the first informant is Anastatia Kavanagh Cullen, present at death, residence 52 Mountjoy Square; the second informant was Nicholas Whyte esq, Coroner for the city of Dublin
    place of death - Jervis St Hospital; residence [hard to read] 4 Court & House Ball? on off Great Hawkins ... Lisyard???
    occupation 479 ship stoker; 480 ship fireman
    cause of death: 479 Fracture of the skull, inquest; 480 fracture of the skull by falling into the hold of a ship accidental, inquest held 10 July 88

    Freeman's Journal 10 July 1888 p3 reports that he died in the hold of the Steamer "Longford"; the inquest was told he fell 23ft into the hatch, verdict accidental death [Dublin Daily Express 11 July 1888]
    spurious wrote: »
    479 Place of death was Jervis St hospital, but I think after that is a Liverpool address.
    Occupation - Ship _____?
    Given the dreadful writing, could be cousin.

    **edit
    Checking the papers for inquest reports, it seems he fell 23 feet down a hatchway into the hold of the steamer Longford.

    Thanks guys!

    How did you find these inquest details? I have a FMP subscription and entered the name and date into the newspaper search, but didn't get any results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    <How did you find these inquest details? I have a FMP subscription and entered the name and date into the newspaper search, but didn't get any results.>

    The newspaper reports didn't mention his address - often less detail in the search criteria will produce more results.

    What's strange is that his death was registered twice - normally with an inquest, the coroner will be the informant, which happened in this case. For some reason Anastatia also decided to register the death.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I found the inquest report on irishnewsarchive.com . It's a subscription site - though free in libraries and schools.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    I think that the Liverpool address is [ ] Street off Great Howard, Liverpool.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5961850.pdf

    Third entry down, father of the bride. I can't make out his first name. The surname is Tully, and he's 'living'. I think his occupation is 'Smith'?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    It looks like Norah but that can't be right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭ath262


    Church record gives parents as John and Norah


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Is it the Pro Cathedral?
    Have you looked at Church record?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    It looks like Norah but that can't be right.

    That's what I thought! They subsequently had a daughter called Norah. Hmmm. Could Margaret's mother have been Norah and it's a mistaken entry? I hardly think the person filling it in would put a mother's name deliberately.

    Thanks all. John it is so...

    Edit: mother was indeed Norah, going by the church record.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    For what it's worth, I have an Irish civil marriage record where the groom's mother is named instead of his father, said groom having been born out of wedlock.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭kanadams123


    Marriage

    Any ideas on the marriage of Owen Hayes and Julia Carroll (sponsors transcribed as Thomas Hayes and John Carroll)
    The very bottom of the left page! There seems to extra writing, possibly Latin? I can't even make that out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    kanadams123, they got a dispensation as they were 1st cousins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭kanadams123


    1st cousins?

    Wow, was not expecting that!
    Thanks for the help wyldwood!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    My understanding is 4th to 4th dispensation is for 3rd cousins

    1st to 1st is siblings
    2nd to 2nd is 1st cousins
    3rd to 3rd is 2nd cousins


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    Apologies, of course A New Earth is correct 3rd cousins - wasn't thinking properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭kanadams123


    Ahh Thanks Guys ! I was wondering this as I couldn't make a 1st cousin connection between them!


  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭SophieLockhart


    Cause of death for No 156 please, before 'cardiac dropsy'. Elizabeth Coll -

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05919/4680585.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Mitral Stenosis?


  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭SophieLockhart


    montgo wrote: »
    Mitral Stenosis?

    Wow that doesn't even sound like something real, but apparently it is and connected to cardiac issues. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭kildarejohn


    Placename in Kildare baptismal Register

    Would be interested in opinions on the interpretation of one place that appears several times in the 1844 Register for Kildare Parish here - https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634478#page/19/mode/1up

    The name appears against the entries on March 12th & Mar 24th - towards bottom of LH page - and on May 5th & 7th on RH page.
    It could be "Coolahan" or "Coolban" or maybe "Cashlan", but I cannot find any Townland names or names on map to match any of those for near Kildare Town. Any ideas?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭BowWow


    I read the March ones as "Cashlan" and the May ones as "Coolahan".

    I looked at the register before looking at what you thought they were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,204 ✭✭✭jos28


    Looking for help with the address for Richard and Alice Keogh on this marriage cert please. Is it unusual that they would have the same surname/address ??


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    It's Harman Street. It was Alice's address.
    Richard may have given it rather than a barracks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,204 ✭✭✭jos28


    Cheers Spurious, many thanks


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