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The Plot Against America - HBO - (***Spoilers***)

  • 18-01-2020 5:18am
    #1
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭


    Coming March 16th.

    From David Simon comes the next series dealing with alternative history based on the novel by Philip Roth.
    The original six-part limited series will premiere on March 16. It comes from David Simon and Ed Burns, who previously co-created HBO’s The Wire and Generation Kill. The story “imagines an alternate American history during World War II, told through the eyes of a working-class Jewish family in New Jersey as they endure the political rise of Charles Lindbergh, an aviator-hero and xenophobic populist, who captures the presidency and turns the nation toward fascism.”

    https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1217514911363936257


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  • #2
    steve_r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭steve_r


    Very keen to see this


  • #3
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Man in the High Castle: the prequel :D

    I know it isn't, but hard to ignore the slight parallels


  • #4
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    From David Simon

    Sold!

    Although, that doesn't look like the wire so I'm guessing this might be a little out of his experience zone. Hope it does well though.


  • #5
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    David Simon and HBO are the best tv combination ever.


  • #6
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    pixelburp wrote: »
    The Man in the High Castle: the prequel :D

    I know it isn't, but hard to ignore the slight parallels

    Wonder if they will have an OberstGruppenführer?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • #7
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I'm in!



  • #8
    blackwave
    Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭blackwave


    Looking forward to this already!


  • #9
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    This looks frightening!



  • #10
    Osamabindipper
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 110 ✭✭Osamabindipper


    This looks very interesting


  • #11
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Osamabindipper wrote: »
    This looks very interesting
    Spielberg was interested in doing a biopic on Lindbergh but was told in no uncertain terms by the other studios that if he persued the project he would never work again in Hollywood. His biography by Scott Berg is a brilliant read.


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  • #12
    EverythingGood
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    What channel will it be on over here?


  • #13
    Slippin Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭Slippin Jimmy


    Adding this to my watch list. Love David Simon's work.


  • #14
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    EverythingGood wrote: »
    What channel will it be on over here?

    Sky Atlantic.


  • #15
    blackwave
    Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭blackwave


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Spielberg was interested in doing a biopic on Lindbergh but was told in no uncertain terms by the other studios that if he persued the project he would never work again in Hollywood. His biography by Scott Berg is a brilliant read.

    If that's true then fair play to David Simon's and HBO for taking it on as it is a sensitive topic.


  • #16
    Agent Coulson
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    Starts tonight.


  • #17
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    1: Solid opener. Sets the scene. Get the feeling it might get pretty grim.

    Things I looked up
    Goyim: plural of goy: a Jewish name for a non-Jew.
    Nudge: Alternative Spellings: nudzh, noodge: verb: bore, pester, nag; noun: pest, whiner.
    Putz: A fool, an ass, a jerk
    Shegetz: often disparaging : a non-Jewish boy or youth. 2 : a Jewish boy who does not observe Jewish precepts
    Shush: I think this is a persons name
    Sheeny: (slang, offensive, ethnic slur) A Jew


  • #18
    steve_r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭steve_r


    Watched this last night. Certainly quite relevant with what's going on today in the policical world


  • #19
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Slydice wrote: »
    1: Solid opener. Sets the scene. Get the feeling it might get pretty grim.

    Things I looked up
    Goyim: plural of goy: a Jewish name for a non-Jew.
    Nudge: Alternative Spellings: nudzh, noodge: verb: bore, pester, nag; noun: pest, whiner.
    Putz: A fool, an ass, a jerk
    Shegetz: often disparaging : a non-Jewish boy or youth. 2 : a Jewish boy who does not observe Jewish precepts
    Shush: I think this is a persons name
    Sheeny: (slang, offensive, ethnic slur) A Jew

    Shush: keep it down, the news is on the tele

    Is it more shoosh? That's as above, be quiet/whisper


  • #20
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Shush: keep it down, the news is on the tele

    Is it more shoosh? That's as above, be quiet/whisper

    I wasn't sure. They used it twice in the episode so I was just stuck on guessing it's a name.


  • #21
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    HBO threw up a Script-on-Screen bonus clip:



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  • #22
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Good first epiosde


  • #23
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2:
    Well there it is. This feels like it's gonna get very grim


  • #24
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Excellent first episode.


  • #25
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    3:
    Jeez this is getting grim. Not sure what they've planned for the last episode. Not watching the previews.

    Looked up:
    Sh'ma: wiki - Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad: "Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One."

    Henry Ford: Jeez that's alot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford


  • #26
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    There are 6 episodes. Plenty mileage and dark places to go.


  • #27
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Homelander wrote: »
    There are 6 episodes. Plenty mileage and dark places to go.

    Ah! I'd gotten into my head there was 4.

    6 could be.. well it could go very grim or .. well at this point maybe a different shade of grim


  • #28
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    4:
    The mother standing up against her Sister I thought was good. Saying that though Winona Ryder is putting in the acting to her role. Grimmest thought came when he was looking at the map and it had numbers and they were for camps.

    Looked up:
    Zei Gezunt: be healthy, be well; farewell!
    Balabusta: a good homemaker.
    Bubbe: Yiddish word for grandmother (had seen Safta or Savta used in Hunters)
    Prawns: are not kosher
    Gay Kocken Offen Yom: insult: Go S**t in the ocean!

    Judah Benjamin: Things becoming a bit clearer on the role the Rabbi is filling, his motivations and why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin


  • #29
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Another great episode. My only complaint would be that the Alvin's departure and return - considering all that happened in between - was a little too rushed. Everything in the show's world is generally believable and credible, but that bit seemed too expedited.


  • #30
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    5: That was chilling. Awe I guess the last episode is gonna be dark.


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  • #31
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The finale was an hour and bit of brilliantly powerful TV!


  • #32
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,654 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    "Why don't you call von Ribbentrop?"

    Ouch!

    I liked the ending...a message of hope intermingled with reality.


  • #33
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    6: Jeez that was grim.
    The burning of the ballots at the end.
    Ouch.


    Overall: Don't come to this show to feel uplifted. It did have that David Simon / Ed Burns combo feel to it though. A real gut punch.


  • #34
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Great show. Bit rushed at points, and the pacing was a little off in the last 3 episodes for me - the first 3 episodes were way better paced and structured, the last 3 felt like they were on fast forward a little.

    Excellent watch though.


  • #35
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    HBO have the Commentary (podcast) for all the episodes up as a Youtube Playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO79iP69FaZP7xsOycx-FMBzRCMkD5E0M

    I haven't listened to them yet _BUT_ the commentary for The Wire was really good so I'm guessing this will be too.


  • #36
    JP Liz V1
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    EverythingGood wrote: »
    What channel will it be on over here?

    Sky Atlantic and NOW TV on Tuesday July 14th
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #37
    cdgalwegian
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    Homelander wrote: »
    Great show. Bit rushed at points, and the pacing was a little off in the last 3 episodes for me - the first 3 episodes were way better paced and structured, the last 3 felt like they were on fast forward a little.

    Excellent watch though.
    Yeah, excellent watch, despite the 'less-is-more' narrative jumps. It felt like the writers felt the audience didn't need their hands held; that we could fill in the gaps- of course we could, but it did jar a bit. I would imagine it was to prevent hindering the build-up of tension, which worked.
    Really good acting all round, with spot-on authenticity of the era, adding to the believability of the unfolding counterfactual story.


  • #38
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Watched the first two on Sky Atlantic last night. I thought it was was intriguing, but still pretty slow. Does it get better from here? I'll definitely watch one more episode, but maybe not till the end if it doesn't pick up somewhat.


  • #39
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    This eh.. probably isn't the type of show you are looking for.


  • #40
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Slydice wrote: »
    This eh.. probably isn't the type of show you are looking for.

    Why so?


  • #41
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    Why so?

    cos it sounds like you want something different from this:
    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    but still pretty slow.

    when you say this:
    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    if it doesn't pick up somewhat.

    More things happen but the pacing is pretty much the same.


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  • #42
    Gramsci Babeuf
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    Just finished watching this and really enjoyed it. It captured the slow creep of fascism very well IMO. A second series would be equally fascinating.


  • #43
    cdgalwegian
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    Gramsci Babeuf wrote: »
    Just finished watching this and really enjoyed it. It captured the slow creep of fascism very well IMO. A second series would be equally fascinating.

    Yeah, loved the ambiguity about FDR's election, what with the
    activities with the ballot boxes.

    It was all quite cleverly done, though it felt a little contradictory/mismatching where
    the fascism was built up to a crescendo with Lindbergh's disappearance, but just seemed to disappear after this in the lead-up to the election.
    . It kinda felt forced/not believable.


  • #44
    Ashbourne hoop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    I too thought it was a little slow, but very interesting, and was superbly acted and looked brilliant too. Would definetly watch a 2nd season


  • #45
    Mad_maxx
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    two episodes in and its not really winning me over so far, i really liked the Deuce and of course The Wire as well

    i will stick with it though


  • #46
    JoeExotic81
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭JoeExotic81


    Is there any word on a second season? If not, I'd go as far as saying it ended poorly.

    Beyond that it was very good. Great acting, found the pacing fine but can see how some found issue with it.

    Hopefully a second season to wrap it up, but the flaky ending felt final.


  • #47
    Mad_maxx
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    I found it just OK , wrapped up far too quickly


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