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Tubeless Puncture cost

  • 20-01-2020 9:47pm
    #1
    Darrener
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭


    Punctured front and rear tubeless on a pothole in Santry this evening.. Anyone know the rough cost of tubeless puncture repair..thanks Thinking of going back on the marathon plus after this


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  • #2
    CantGetNoSleep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Darrener wrote: »
    Punctured front and rear tubeless on a pothole in Santry this evening.. Anyone know the rough cost of tubeless puncture repair..thanks Thinking of going back on the marathon plus after this

    Any puncture I've had that wouldn't seal with sealant was fixed using a patch for an inner tube


  • #3
    Darrener
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Darrener


    CantGetNoSleep wrote: »
    Any puncture I've had that wouldn't seal with sealant was fixed using a patch for an inner tube

    Thanks CantGetNoSleep


  • #4
    columbus_66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭columbus_66


    I had to patch the inside of my tubeless tyres when they became leaky but I don't thing ordinary inner tube patches stick so well to the nylon tyre carcass, is there another type of tubeless tyre patch?


  • #5
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Is it a cut or just a hole too big to seal? For my debut tubeless ride, I put one of the kits with tubeless plugs in my saddle bag? One ride is my tubeless experience, but I was under the impression it was something I should carry.


  • #6
    fat bloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,928 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    My last one cost me:

    70€ in a taxi home, leading me to sell the 400e tubeless wheelset for 150 quid, then buying a set of zonda for 350 quid and tubes and tyres for them, so...

    €720 then:pac:


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  • #7
    columbus_66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭columbus_66


    Could you not have fitted normal tyres and tubes on the tubeless wheel set? I have done that now to 3 wheel sets that take tubeless.


  • #8
    fat bloke
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    columbus_66 wrote: »
    Could you not have fitted normal tyres and tubes on the tubeless wheel set? I have done that now to 3 wheel sets that take tubeless.

    I did yeah in the interim and then got a puncture out on the road another day and fcuk me if I was there still I couldn't have got the tyre back on. I was nearly home so I just clip-clop-cleated it home. -Actually, iirc I did a tube in and the tyre back on but I pinched the tube in the process and I didn't have another. Was a bad day for it anyway - cold, wet, sore hands, youtube-it's-all-about-the-technique advice ringing in my ears. Sometimes you need to just press reset. It was an interesting tubeless test while it lasted but for now I'm back to rolling with tubes again.


  • #9
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    How often do you need to replace the sealant in the tyres? I've read six months, but is that just best practice?
    I should probably start carrying a spare tube just in case!


  • #10
    columbus_66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭columbus_66


    I make sure I can remove the tyre easily on the tubeless wheels before I go out for a spin. I can't use some of the old tubeless tyres as they are too tight but other normal tyres that have stretched a bit work fine. I try to avoid tyre levers. And it you centre the tyre in the valley in the middle of the rim it comes off easier.


  • #11
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Effects wrote: »
    I should probably start carrying a spare tube just in case!
    I assumed that was a must? Like I said, only done one ride tubeless, but had a repair kit and left the tubes in the saddle bag. Admittedly that was gravelling rather than road.


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  • #12
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I guess I wasn't carrying a tube as I figured tubeless would work out ok for me!
    Riding in France with a relative, me tubeless and him standard, he got about 3 punctures in the space of two weeks.
    There's a vine in the area that's really sharp. I presumed it just didn't affect tubeless as it reseals automatically.


  • #13
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Starting to change my mind on tubeless!
    Went for a spin along the cliff path in sutton/howth yesterday.
    Picked up a thorn it seems, and wheel was flat this morning.
    Took a few trips to the local garage to get it pumped as my track pump just wouldn't cut it. Looking up a few options now, like the Schwalbe Tire Booster.
    Even though I got rid of the thorn, it's still leaking air and the sealant isn't working properly. So I'll pick up a repair kit tomorrow.


  • #14
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Effects wrote: »
    How often do you need to replace the sealant in the tyres? I've read six months, but is that just best practice?
    I should probably start carrying a spare tube just in case!

    Its a bit of an issue in our club....


    Tubleless is the new in thing, everyones getting it, only half know how to repair a puncture or refill the sealant. Hands in the air, help me, can't do squat on group rides. Instances of punctures happening and no sealant being released.


    Keep these in your saddlebag if you're running a tubeless system:
    https://www.wiggle.co.uk/park-tool-emergency-tyre-boot-patch/


  • #15
    padjocollins
    Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭padjocollins


    bought a cube travel pro and they have tubeless tires. i haven't a clue how to maintain the tyres or reseal leaks/punctures. Could someone post some decent tutorial links/videos please. I heard that rear wheel tubeless punctures are a nightmare to fix/replace on a belt drive. Is this true ? thanks


  • #16
    padjocollins
    Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭padjocollins


    so i have this bike
    https://www.cube.eu/2020/bikes/tour/travel/cube-travel-pro-blacknbrown-2020-trapeze/
    and these tyres Schwalbe Marathon Almotion, Performance, Kevlar, 55-622. Are they tubless tyres ?

    I suspect i don't have tubeless tyres, as they describe the rims as tubless ready. On reflection, probably the best thing for me. I'm better off with tried and trusted technology


  • #17
    Effects
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    ED E wrote: »
    Keep these in your saddlebag if you're running a tubeless system:
    https://www.wiggle.co.uk/park-tool-emergency-tyre-boot-patch/

    I've stuck regular patches on the inside of the tyre on my regular system, to fix bigger gashes.

    But with all the sealant on the inside with tubeless, I'm not sure how well it would work. It would be a nightmare to try and remove all sealant and clean/dry the tyre wall to fit a patch.

    And then it wouldn't inflate again with a regular pump. I've used Co2 canisters before, but I think it took three of them to seat the tyre, and then finished off with a regular pump. But that wasn't while on the road, which would have been even more frustrating.


  • #18
    columbus_66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭columbus_66


    It's hard to patch the inside of a tubeless tyre as it is rubber to nylon and not rubber to rubber. I see proper patches anywhere for tubeless tyres, and the plugs are not suitable to the very thin carcass of a road tyre.


  • #19
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Went to four bike shops in town, none had a repair kit. Most didn't even know what they were.
    Forgot about Littlesport in Fairview until I was passing and chanced them. They had one. They got 100 of them by accident in an order and sent 99 of them back. I got the one they kept as a just in case.


  • #20
    H.E. Pennypacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭H.E. Pennypacker


    columbus_66 wrote: »
    It's hard to patch the inside of a tubeless tyre as it is rubber to nylon and not rubber to rubber. I see proper patches anywhere for tubeless tyres, and the plugs are not suitable to the very thin carcass of a road tyre.

    It depends on the tyre. Hutchinson Fusion and some other brands have a butyl lining and can be patched. Plugs designed for tubeless tyres can be used very effectively - I used two last week to seal a 7mm gash and was able to pump it up to 80 psi afterwards which it held during a spin afterwards with no problem.


  • #21
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Did you need to use a tube of rubber solution/glue on the inside of the plug? The repair kit I have came with this, but I'm worried about having to deal with the sealant in the tube, and also getting the tyre reseated, which means a trip to the garage and a load of cursing.


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  • #22
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Have zero experience of using them, but I got my kit on Amazon. Hopefully will be a long time before I have to use it.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MG5LGCM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Throwing in a tube would be less faff than trying to patch (rather than plug) at the side of the road I'd imagine? Would you need to carry sealant to patch as well?


  • #23
    H.E. Pennypacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭H.E. Pennypacker


    Effects wrote: »
    Did you need to use a tube of rubber solution/glue on the inside of the plug? The repair kit I have came with this, but I'm worried about having to deal with the sealant in the tube, and also getting the tyre reseated, which means a trip to the garage and a load of cursing.

    No, the tyre starts on and the plug goes in from the outside. It takes less than five minutes to repair. The remaining sealant helps seal the repair. I used this kit:
    https://www.merlincycles.com/maxalami-road-mtb-tubeless-tyre-repair-kit-110339.html


  • #24
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    This is the one I have, which is the same as the two kits above it seems, but with the extra glue for whatever reason.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nutrak-Tubeless-Repair-Associated-Tools/dp/B079FXM2WH

    I got it for €5 which seems pretty good.

    The repair video from Giant seems to show them using rubber glue on the plug before they put it into the tyre.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-lruemFmqQ


  • #25
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    There's a lifeline one on Wiggle, which is pretty much the same as the Nutrak. I just liked the form and function of the one I linked too.

    Is the glue the same as a puncture repair kit?


  • #26
    Effects
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    Yeah, seems to be standard rubber cement.


  • #27
    bullvine
    Registered Users Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    I have a 5 year Old Giant Defy. It has what I think is bog standard wheels for this level of bikes. I went through a stage where I was getting a pinch puncture almost every week. Just on back wheel always, I had a GP 4000 tyre. I changed for a Schwalble tyre for the rear, one of the tough ones, cant remember exact model, a 25c it was going grand for a few weeks, then I got another feckin pinch puncture one day. Absolute nightmare to take this tyre off in the winter, I broke 2 of the levers trying to get it off.

    Should I consider going tubeless? I always make sure I have at least 120psi in the tyre.

    Thanks,


  • #28
    gman2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    bullvine wrote:
    I have a 5 year Old Giant Defy. It has what I think is bog standard wheels for this level of bikes. I went through a stage where I was getting a pinch puncture almost every week. Just on back wheel always, I had a GP 4000 tyre. I changed for a Schwalble tyre for the rear, one of the tough ones, cant remember exact model, a 25c it was going grand for a few weeks, then I got another feckin pinch puncture one day. Absolute nightmare to take this tyre off in the winter, I broke 2 of the levers trying to get it off.

    A defy will take a 28mm tyre, try that next time and drop the pressure (I have mine at 85 and it's much more comfortable).


  • #29
    bullvine
    Registered Users Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    gman2k wrote: »
    A defy will take a 28mm tyre, try that next time and drop the pressure (I have mine at 85 and it's much more comfortable).

    interesting, thanks


  • #30
    H.E. Pennypacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭H.E. Pennypacker


    bullvine wrote: »
    I have a 5 year Old Giant Defy. It has what I think is bog standard wheels for this level of bikes. I went through a stage where I was getting a pinch puncture almost every week. Just on back wheel always, I had a GP 4000 tyre. I changed for a Schwalble tyre for the rear, one of the tough ones, cant remember exact model, a 25c it was going grand for a few weeks, then I got another feckin pinch puncture one day. Absolute nightmare to take this tyre off in the winter, I broke 2 of the levers trying to get it off.

    Should I consider going tubeless? I always make sure I have at least 120psi in the tyre.

    Thanks,

    Check your rim tape - it might be misaligned and causing the pinch punctures.


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  • #31
    Effects
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    gman2k wrote: »
    A defy will take a 28mm tyre, try that next time and drop the pressure (I have mine at 85 and it's much more comfortable).

    I've just ordered a couple of 28mm Duranos for my commuter. Not as much protection as the previous Durano Plus, but I'm trying them out over the 25mm tyres.


  • #32
    Effects
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    I just used the kit to patch the tubeless tyre. The plug just wouldn't go in so I had to cut it down to half the size. Would have been impossible to do roadside without a scissors.


  • #33
    Mercian Pro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Mercian Pro


    Lots more info, opinions and tales of tubeless on https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057818455


  • #34
    Effects
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    Got another puncture close to the end of a spin yesterday, coming through Irishtown. Air gushing out pretty fast.
    Got the wheel off, plugged, and pumped up again in no time.
    The two lads I was with couldn't understand how I fixed a puncture so quickly!


  • #35
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I had to put two plugs in to seal a hole yesterday - didn't notice it on Saturday, but just noticed the tyre was flat in storage yesterday. Seemed to be ok leaving this morning, but after one botched attempt at cutting the excess (and pulling out the plug) yesterday, I just plugged and left it after a few minutes wheel spinning!

    Going to have to add either a double chamber pump or an airshot to the workshop. Any recommendations on which option is better? I don't have an expensive track pump, but it's working fine with no issues. I'll be shopping in the same cheaper end of the market for a double chamber one (lifeline/ planet x). Also, if I can get over the schrader to presta issue, I still have a shock pump if the current pump can't get an airshot up to pressure (I have the the connectors, which I'll use with my in laws compressor in the meantime).


  • #36
    CantGetNoSleep
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    Effects wrote: »
    Got another puncture close to the end of a spin yesterday, coming through Irishtown. Air gushing out pretty fast.
    Got the wheel off, plugged, and pumped up again in no time.
    The two lads I was with couldn't understand how I fixed a puncture so quickly!
    Plugged using those little worm things?

    Do you even need to take the wheel off for one of those?

    I really need to teach myself how to use them, tried once and it was a complete failure, hole looked too small to plug but was still not sealing with sealant


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  • #37
    Effects
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Going to have to add either a double chamber pump or an airshot to the workshop. Any recommendations on which option is better?

    I went with this one.
    It's still in the post so can't comment. The price was decent.
    As luck would have it, the gauge on my cheap track pump broke the day after ordering from Rose bikes, so while it works, I'll need to get a new one to get my pressures right.


    CantGetNoSleep wrote: »
    Plugged using those little worm things?

    Do you even need to take the wheel off for one of those?

    I really need to teach myself how to use them, tried once and it was a complete failure, hole looked too small to plug but was still not sealing with sealant

    Yeah, I have this kit here. Took a while to find one in Dublin, and the store that had it only had it by accident.

    I found the plugs too big, so I have some of them cut lengthways so they are only half the size. I couldn't get a full sized one in.

    You don't have to take the wheel off but I figured it would be easier to work with. I'm terrified of losing the seat between the tyre and wheel and getting stuck on the side of the road.


  • #38
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Effects wrote: »
    I went with this one.
    It's still in the post so can't comment. The price was decent.
    As luck would have it, the gauge on my cheap track pump broke the day after ordering from Rose bikes, so while it works, I'll need to get a new one to get my pressures right.
    Yes, that's the one I was looking at too.


  • #39
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Back on the airblaster v dual chamber track pump question...

    Lidl have compressors coming up, for not much more than a dual chamber pump. So anyone with experience have an opinion on whether that's a better for the job? Obviously a bit more multi-functional* than either other option, if a lot less portable...

    *sand blaster and spray gun also on sale, and an old steel frame waiting to be restored hanging in the shed...


  • #40
    gman2k
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    Macy0161 wrote:
    *sand blaster and spray gun also on sale, and an old steel frame waiting to be restored hanging in the shed...


    A small compressor like these coupled with one of these sand blasters will not remove paint.
    I have a larger compressor and it still won't remove paint with those blasters.


  • #41
    fat bloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,928 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Back on the airblaster v dual chamber track pump question...

    Lidl have compressors coming up, for not much more than a dual chamber pump. So anyone with experience have an opinion on whether that's a better for the job? Obviously a bit more multi-functional* than either other option, if a lot less portable...

    *sand blaster and spray gun also on sale, and an old steel frame waiting to be restored hanging in the shed...



    Are they petrol or electric compressors? Does anyone here use them for drying bikes? - Getting water out of nooks and crannies? - I see people on youtube using air compressors for such things.


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  • #42
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    fat bloke wrote: »
    Are they petrol or electric compressors?
    Electric. They've two options.

    Maybe they wouldn't do for the restore job, but I've a few tools already to use with my inlaws, and I figure could be a handy edition. But at the moment, it'd have to be the job for seating tubeless tyres.


  • #43
    gman2k
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    fat bloke wrote:
    Are they petrol or electric compressors? Does anyone here use them for drying bikes? - Getting water out of nooks and crannies? - I see people on youtube using air compressors for such things.


    I use my compressor to dry the bike, does a great job.


  • #44
    fat bloke
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    gman2k wrote: »
    I use my compressor to dry the bike, does a great job.

    Yeah, I've gotten into a great habit of thoroughly washing the bike immediately after my saturday spin. The rest of the week is indoor rollers so it's nice to have the bike clean and humming for the indoor use. Drying it is a pain in this weather particularly though.


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