Describe Ireland's Youth & Culture

JacquesPompidou · 15-08-2002 11:53pm #1

What is Ireland's food and langauge like? Which Country is it most similar to?

What type of Music do the Young people of Ireland listen to? What is the night life like? What sports do we play, media, literature, clothes....

Which country are the Irish youth most similar to..?

Where will Irish Youth & Culture go in 10 years time?

Lots of comments Please!!!!

BJJ · 16-08-2002 12:03am

Ireland's culture today can best be described as "Brit-Pop"

That's what I voted

DadaKopf · 16-08-2002 12:04am

There's two kinds: Irish culture and the kind that's for sale.

JarJar blinks · 16-08-2002 12:08am

Brit Posh:

What sticks in my mind were all those "Oiie-rish" people crying over Dianna, and the Union Jack flown at 1/2 mast .

BJJ · 16-08-2002 12:25am

You should have added BIG-Broyther to the Brit Popular Vote.

Keep on Trekin · 16-08-2002 12:40am

I wanted to Vote for Atari Jag

Sometimes I think Ireland has no culture

Other times I think it's cities are very like Cardiff/Swansea in Wales

Lawnkiller · 16-08-2002 12:43am

irish youth culture:

ppl who love Louis Walsh and all that rolls out of his shed ("cos its good music and u can't argue with that..." - yeah, sure).

ppl who love anything but..

ppl who know what pubs are for.. - ppl who don't...

the good and the fuKin bad(and the ugly)

ppl wot know wot life is for....ppl who don't.

those are my ideas - didn't vote cos we aren't really like another country - thats what makes them foreign and us not.

Johnny_the_fox · 16-08-2002 1:22am

I thinks its a cross between Germanic and brit.

El Marco · 16-08-2002 4:08am

Tbh we're alot like brit-pop, but the most appealing seems to be Canadian.

pika · 16-08-2002 12:05pm

I voted brit just because the food in the other ones are ****e

naw I would say brit but without the spicegirls as they are slags

Robbo · 16-08-2002 1:35pm

It can be summed up in one word, unfortunately the censor won't allow me use that word.

TetsuoHashimoto · 16-08-2002 2:20pm

In General

Good Point: Unlike americans, Irish people know themselves, they have a strong identity, family, and they know where they come from a have knowledge of their county and province's history, lifestyle...

Bad Point: Irish people have no culture whatsoever except for a few people in Kerry, Donegal,Conemara still having the ability to speak the Native language, playing Reels , Hornpipes, or able to dance. Irish culture & customs are dead.
Irish culture today is either American or British, but mainly British.

I think Australians & Canadians have a stronger culture than theIrish, the Australians don't watch Liverpool or Leeds United everyday, they don't talk about Brookside at work, and they don't hang around fish n chip shops.
Take the Australians for instance.They play their own sports ( Rugby, Aussie Rules..) they watch their own TV channels, and
they have their own literature and lifestyle.

deco · 16-08-2002 2:30pm

This is the most stupid topic ever....

And BTW I go for Germanic...

Oktoberfest!!!

TetsuoHashimoto · 16-08-2002 2:54pm

Most Popular Sport: Not Hurling...The most flags, jerseys, bought....games watched are English Premiership Soccer Matches.

Most popular Irish literature in school/university:Not it's not Bram Stoker or James Joyce...it's Dickens, Beckett an Irish man that rejected his Irish roots, Shakesphere

Best Tv: Highest TV ratings in Ireland come from Eastenders and Corination Street figures

Pubs Nightlife and Beer: Pubs and Nightclubs close at almost the same time as in England. Irish people drink the same as the English...Larger and not German Beer, German beer actually tatses good. However Irish drink more Stout and Ale than the English.

Frequently Read Material: happens to be the Star the mirror and the Sun....All British Tabloids

Most Popular Music: Not the Dubliners or Christy Moore... It's Brit POP

Best Rugby Team: The British Lions mostly English Rugby players which for some strange reason they call them the Irish lions in Ireland. But I suppose this some from the "adopted Irish syndrome" just like the Oasis Brothers.

Ha Ha

Ireland has no Culture

DiscoStu · 16-08-2002 3:04pm

navel contemplating goth kids - straight from the 'burbs of the good old us of a.

tracksuite wearing, overly aggressive spanners - council estates in england.

d4 daddy's girls and rugby playing repressed homosexuals - middle england throwbacks.

not much irish in there is there?

Dave · 16-08-2002 3:07pm

The culture mentioned here is only the culture in the big cities, well in fact Dublin. In rural places the culture is alot different.

BJJ · 16-08-2002 3:26pm

Mostly ( 95% ): Brit POP
Some: Brit POSH
Slightly: USA CIty & Germanic

Dustaz · 16-08-2002 4:16pm

Agreed, its a stupid topic.

We are most like the english due to colonisation and geographical location. However, like anywhere, the irish have unique traits which set them apart from other nations.

The topic is stupid, but not as stupid as some of the replies.

Originally posted by TetsuoHashimoto
I think Australians & Canadians have a stronger culture than theIrish, the Australians don't watch Liverpool or Leeds United everyday, they don't talk about Brookside at work, and they don't hang around fish n chip shops.
Take the Australians for instance.They play their own sports ( Rugby, Aussie Rules..) they watch their own TV channels, and
they have their own literature and lifestyle.

Are you on crack? Australias most popular sports are foriegn sports : Rugby union, Rugby League and Cricket. The small minority that play AFL (aussie rules) are confined mostly to a single province. This is not the case in Ireland, where two native sports are popular throughout the nation. Australians like us watch Mr Murdochs TV channles as well as thier own.

Your ascertion that they have thier own literature and lifestyle (and by extension we dont) is ludicrous. The Irish have a huge literary tradition that you seem to have omitted in your second post. Your concept of what is irish literature seems skewed anyway, with Stoker being your first example.

The lions are a team that play as a touring side, not a real team. Munster and Ulster have had very successful european rugby teams

Also, FYI the english drink a lot more Ale than we do (probably a lot more stout too, dont know the figures)

Ireland has no culture
Ha Ha

I would argue that we do, but whats so funny about it?

Jak · 16-08-2002 5:38pm

Originally posted by TetsuoHashimoto
Bad Point: Irish people have no culture whatsoever except for a few people in Kerry, Donegal,Conemara still having the ability to speak the Native language, playing Reels , Hornpipes, or able to dance. Irish culture & customs are dead.

I believe there are also 8 people in a small village in North western Sligo who have culture also .. but I can't be sure :rolleyes:

Dustaz made the point well. I think you just have a fish&chips on your shoulder over Ireland not working out as well for you, because I can assure you there is a very strong culture to be found in this country if you look for it. Peronally I agree with you in the sense I have no time for brit pop culture, big brother and soap operas etc etc. but it is easily avoidable.

As for lifestyle (which you seem to mesh with culture) - I love the lifestyles that can be found and lived in this country. In any case as I mentioned in another post, last I checked Ireland had no barriers in place to prevent immigrants leaving the country.

Caesar_Bojangle · 16-08-2002 6:53pm

Republican USA

JarJar blinks · 16-08-2002 9:19pm

I disagree with Dustaz, It’s an interesting topic. I think many Oi-rish actually admire the English whether they be Robbie Williams, Angela Griffin,Sam Fox or David Beckham, many Oi-Rish wish they were British.

I’ve discussed this with many of my workmates. Some of them from foreign countries and yes some former British colonies. Montreal, Milan, Hongkong, Hamilton, Winnipeg, Gijon….

I think Dustaz’s analogy is wrong. If anyone's on Crack it's Dustaz.

Many of these places have their own lifestyle and culture that is very different to the one in England.

JarJar blinks · 16-08-2002 9:28pm

Do Italians support German and Spainish soccer teams because some Italian soccer stars play for Barcelona or B.Munich?
No the Italians have their own culture and soccer teams and don't need to adopt foreign ones.

Yes as long as you have Satelite you can watch Murdochs Channels anywhere in the World!!
But What TV Channels do Spanish people mostly watch, would they be Spanish?
Candaians well Canadain of course!!!
Now what about the Irish, what does the average household in Ireland have.? Answer British of course!!!!

I would agree with this Part of Dustaz's post:

"Irish have a huge literary tradition"

that they seem to have omitted in all our schools and universities.

Time to admit were almost the same as any other part of the British Isles.

TetsuoHashimoto · 16-08-2002 9:36pm

When talking or listening to the average Irish conversation, what 4 things will actually be said?

1Were you watching Brookside last night???

2Did you hear the Oasis/Steps/Brit-Pop tunes???

3You see the Liverpool match yesterday????

4Wanna go for a pint so we can talk about all of the above again!!!

I mean how many Irish players actually play for Leeds, Manchester City, Sunderland or any of those crappy English Clubs??

Maybe only 2 or 3 Irish players I bet.

JarJar blinks · 17-08-2002 1:30am

Actually these board and forums could represent part of Irish culture!

Can you guess boards.ie's most visited Sports Thread?

Angling Rugby or Soccer

What was the most popular Thread Viewed or Posted?

Not sure, but it may be Big Brother

Music?

Some good stuff but mostly Brit POPular

Pigman · 17-08-2002 1:49am

Could we have a category 'impressionable beyond the point of being funny'?

sceptre · 17-08-2002 12:48pm

Originally posted by TetsuoHashimoto
I mean how many Irish players actually play for Leeds, Manchester City, Sunderland or any of those crappy English Clubs??

Maybe only 2 or 3 Irish players I bet.

You are kidding me aren't you? Trolling is an art that you just don't seem to have mastered.

TacT · 17-08-2002 2:25pm

Dustaz, ignore this man, he seems to like posting tripe in order to get a response and as has been displayed in other threads this lad has such a big chip on his shoulder he doesn't need to go to the chippy after the bevy's when he can just slice off another couple of inches only to watch it grow back even bigger than before the next day.

All these pathetic perceptions you have of the Irish as we are would seem to be nothing more than grudges which you hold against society for some pathetic reason which remains yet undisclosed.

Perhaps you should find some way of venting your frustration/overload in your train of thought by getting laid or doing something physically demanding because you are mentally challenged, I can tell

That or he's another foreigner who's moved in and isn't mad about us, in which case he should just go home and stop snivelling and criticising anything and everything he can. Or get on with it and deal with it. It's a hard life innit

Brian Bennette · 17-08-2002 2:39pm

Canada a 51st State of America ???

Ok Admittedly Canadians watch quite an amount of American TV and listen to American music, but how many Irish youngsters watch, Friends or listen to R N’ B??

Quite a lot I bet.

In Canada we have and watch mainly our own television networks, we have our own Customs, and Cultures.
Only 60% of Canadian use English as their mother Tongue, the Rest speak French and Inuit/Native languages. How many people speak the Irish language every day, ….? About 5% I bet.

If Canada can be still called the 51st State, then Ireland is definitely part of the British Isles.

PS
How many Irish people play for Manchester United?? Because it seems to be the most common tshirt around here.
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Dustaz · 17-08-2002 2:48pm

2 in the first team.

Since when did soccer become such an integral part of 'culture'?

Gordon · 17-08-2002 2:55pm

JarJar blinks - do you have two login's - JarJar blinks and JarJar bink
?

Or is it someone else?

Brian Bennette · 17-08-2002 3:00pm

Since it became Part of every "Irish" news broadcast, since it's watched in every Irish Public-House, Since watching the English Premiership has become an Irish pastime and it's Ireland's largest sport. Since it gets pages of coverage in every Tabloid and Newspaper, Since the Manchester United T-Shirts are the most sold item in Irish Fashion......
....
..

If we Canadians are a 51st State

Then Irish are trully Part of the British Isles!!

2 Players, HAHA

That's stupid,
You're saying
Irish people support the town Manchester City with donations, jersey purchases, booking tickets.... because 2 Irish people happen to play for the team.

Dustaz · 17-08-2002 3:03pm

No, im not saying any of that. I was answering your question. Shut up.

Pigman · 17-08-2002 3:17pm

Christ this is pathetic!

BrianBenette you are cleary a troll and should have your arse kicked for it. Anyone who has to mention 'If canada is the 51st state etc' in EVERY post just to justify their own opinions is full of ****.

Besides, the whole thread has nothing to do with culture anyway. Falco defines German culture? Russia is defined by having 'rural communities'? How unique of them!

Keep on Trekin · 17-08-2002 3:17pm

Irish culture is dead, it's with O'Leary in the grave.

But for a while we've tried to market and sell what merit we had left to our forgotten Culture.

The are still elemets in Irish Culture alive Today. E.g the Craft work and Celtic Art from the Aran Islands.
The old Dubliners great pub songs.
Gaelic Football during the summer.
The Irish language in Conemara.

But Irish people today strive to be British, most of our culture has fadded away.

The Irish ballads, Aran Wooly Jumpers, Irish Dancing....Even the Tourists don't buy that stuff anymore.

Keep on Trekin · 17-08-2002 3:20pm

It seems to me that Russia was defined by:

Trotsky, Vodka, Kuznetsov, Musorgsky, Russian Ballad Music, Rural Communities

JacquesPompidou · 17-08-2002 3:42pm

Great Points and a good Debate, keep them posts coming!!

TacT · 17-08-2002 3:52pm

erm time to climb out of your cave and discover that people speak Irish in other places besides conemara you blithering fool.

Have you visited an IRISH PUB IN DUBLIN NAMED Conradh Na Gaeilge? (I'm not even sure about this but have visited myself, forget the name of the place) oh look there's even culture on the int0Rw3B here

If you don't know about Irish culture etc, then you had better go and educate yourself and take a walk around Dublin, see many of the famous statues, visit a museum or art gallery and go to a poetry reading and attend a cheili or go to a pub where Irish music is played.

Shut Up.

JacquesPompidou · 17-08-2002 3:58pm

Have you visited an IRISH PUB IN DUBLIN NAMED Conradh Na Gaeilge?

Yes I have. I liked it evry much.

I heard from my Irish workmates that out of the hundreds of pubs in Dublin there are only 5 pubs that Speak Irish & play Irish music every weekend.

Was this an exaggeration?

Caesar_Bojangle · 17-08-2002 4:06pm

There is no such thing anymore as "an irish culture" as we have evolved into an universal nation (europeans, africans, asians, americans and so on). Taking slices of each foreign cuisine and adding a dash of celtic mannerisms.

So for that reason why do we still teach the kidz irish in Sk00L, when it has no bloody use in everyday life. Personally i love irish but its a dead language and we could put a larger emphasis on something we may actually use such as german, french, computer skills or even english which will be ten times more useful in the longrun. Even Tg4 shows more programmes in english than the tongue it was set up to encourage so what does that tell you.

As Frank Mccourt would say "i wouldnt give them the steam off my piss", this has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread so i am gonna go over now.

Curry Pot Noodle's rock!!!!!!

TacT · 17-08-2002 4:19pm

nah spicy tomato is clearly the tastier option.

I should hope that was an exaggeration.

There's more to Ireland than Irish in the pub? Isn't there!*

NeeD BackuP On ThiS OnE! *

DadaKopf · 17-08-2002 4:42pm

Irish culture is what's going on now as embedded within a historical context. Unfortunately, too much of Irish culture is Dublin culture, and Celtic Tiger culture, which tends to write out the whole history part. Unfortunately we can't get to the future fast enough and it's doing damage. And when someone says that Irish culture is selling all over the world today, that's exactly the problem. Irish culture is being forsaken for things that are exaggerated and falsified for the sake of marketing.

We have to take a long, hard look at ourselves. Perhaps this thread could be moved to Humanities?

Augmerson · 17-08-2002 5:47pm

Caesar_Bojangle made a good point. Culture, Irish culture, even British culture, is becoming integrated into the Global culture(IMO has far too many American features)

Irish Culture didnt die, just changed. Culture can change. It already has from what it was 100 years ago. Watch this space in another 100 years. Despite having absorbed a large portion of foreign sports, languages and literature, customs etc. this Island has kept its culture intact incredibly, despite several invasions by Vikings and such. The Irish language, even if it isnt widely spoken, is still alive. Irish traditions have survived through Anglo persecution, and even through Irish neglect.

The point I try to make is, Irish Culture is still alive. Will still be alive in 100 years. Yes, no doubt, we will adopt different things, but in the end, as History has shown, Irish Culture is still alive, if somewhat Mutilated.

I cant say that any of the above descriptions are anything like the Ireland I know, I didnt vote.

TetsuoHashimoto · 17-08-2002 8:23pm

In the Next 20 years , Ireland will adopt more British Music and Sports and Newspaper before it adopts any other countires Culture.

TacT · 17-08-2002 10:13pm

WOW!

You have psychic powers too?

You are a constant source of surprise.

JarJar blinks · 17-08-2002 10:18pm

If it wasn't for the European transition, Dublin would have rejoined the UK

Pigman · 17-08-2002 10:22pm

Originally posted by JarJar blinks
If it wasn't for the European transition, Dublin would have rejoined the UK

Shouldn't you be over on one of the mullagh regional boards?

Augmerson · 18-08-2002 2:31pm

Originally posted by JarJar blinks
If it wasn't for the European transition, Dublin would have rejoined the UK

Well, I surely would miss Dublin, but I am confident that the rest of Ireland would have coped without the Pale. Are you on some new fangled drug? Your not from the Republic of Ireland are you?

Can you please expand upon your prophetic statement please, as then when you try to make sense of it, you'll realise what an utterly ridicolous statement it is.

Dont do Drugs, stay in School.

Dustaz · 18-08-2002 5:11pm

Originally posted by TetsuoHashimoto
In the Next 20 years , Ireland will adopt more British Music and Sports and Newspaper before it adopts any other countires Culture.

Here, why dont you come down to croker some day and me and the other 79,000 people that turn out regularly to watch irish men playing irish sports can have a word in your bitter little ear.

Kim Tae-Woo · 18-08-2002 7:15pm

I think the Irish culture is very similar to Canadian culture.

True, Ireland has lots of elements in its lifestyle that are very similar to England’s.
But to understand Irish culture, one must look at Ireland’s geographic location and the history of Ireland.
Thousands of years ago Ireland, France, Spain and England were all nations with old Celtic tribes. When the Roman Empire grew they expanded into France & England and the island of Ireland became isolated. Saxon and Norman tribes also entered England changing the life, structure and language of the country.
Like Korea was conquered by Japan, Ireland was also conquered by England many many times since the 13th century. This close proximity to England and these numerous battles changed Ireland and Ireland became diluted and the Irish language disappeared.
Unlike Korea, Ireland has a longer history of trade and war with England.
Canada is an English speaking nation, but they have many people that want to preserve their Native Canadian and unique culture & sports.

Many elements of Irish culture have almost disappeared completely. Such as Irish dance and the Gaelic language. This makes Ireland seem similar to England.
But there are also many elements of Irish Culture that still exist, such as Irish music, Gaelic football, and Irish poetry. These things give Ireland it’s own unique culture and They will stay in Ireland for a long time to come.
Well I hope they stay.

For me Ireland , seems closer to Canada than England.

pika · 19-08-2002 10:54am

I think they are just trying to get a reaction out of you the fact is that Ireland is not living in the past and we are up with the times. But some countries still think we go around on horse drawen carrages and little leprauchaun popping out everywhere. Look around you, are all the girls red haired? For Mr Canada we dont think of you been all slow and have Mounties every where? So why think of us with diddly di music and Guinness?
As I have found on recient trips to canada they are about 2 years behind us fashion wise, as in them x-worx type baggy jeans that weee here in the early 90's were "fashionable" there in 98?? We are a young culture, which is highly educated and due to this the country has changed considerably in the last 20 years, for us to improve we have to look forward not backward.

festivala · 19-08-2002 11:58am

Bad Point: Irish people have no culture whatsoever except for a few people in Kerry, Donegal,Conemara still having the ability to speak the Native language, playing Reels , Hornpipes, or able to dance. Irish culture & customs are dead.
Irish culture today is either American or British, but mainly British.

I agree with the Irish culture is British bit but all that 'dancing at the crossroads' stuff is NOT our culture. It's a part of it. And to a large extent, it's an invented culture.

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