UFC253 - Undefeated vs Undefeated

hawaii501 · 26-09-2020 10:53am #1

how is there no thread for this already!!

Have to say I can't wait for this, have thought about all outcomes about how the main event will play out but I'm leaning towards Izzy by KO.
Think he will be done in the championship rds but again wouldn't be surprised if he Paulo did him in the 1st.

Again Reyes vs Jan another fight that looks a great match-up. Watched Jones/Reyes again and I still think he won that fight!
Think he will just have enough to beat Jan but again wouldnt be surprised if he was done in rd 1

Other fights interested in are kai kara france who i think will get it done on pts. Would love to see old favourite Diego win but afraid he has no chance imo.

derfderf · 26-09-2020 11:34am

Kind of thinking the same thing about Costa. I don't think Izzy (or really anyone) could handle that pressure for 5 rounds, but i don't think he'll have to. Costa doesn't look like a five round fighter.

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 1:41pm

Prediction: Costa to rough Izzy up a bit before a well placed Adesanya counter punch to spark him out in round 2/3.

Exciting co-main as well; two guys who aren't exactly gun-shy. Predicting Blachowicz for this.

Esse85 · 26-09-2020 4:21pm

I think Costa will clip him and win by KO in round 3.

He's a huge man for 185, think he said during the week he'd usually walk around at 220.

Both men would be suited towards 205 as well.

Beersmith · 26-09-2020 4:48pm

Costa can beat him but he has fought pretty poor competition romero apart

Alf Veedersane · 26-09-2020 5:23pm

The main reason I think Izzy wins is Costa gets hit too much. TKO in 3rd.

xtal191 · 26-09-2020 5:33pm

Would love Costa to win but I'd honestly be very surprised if Adesanya doesnt win, reckon he'll get it done in the first two rounds. Hes a great fighter but I cant stand him, hes way too cringy for my liking.

mailburner · 26-09-2020 9:27pm

not looking forward to seeing diego fight again and have a feeling he may well end up carrying on far too long like bj penn (probably not fair to compare anyone to penn though)

It's getting to the point where I don't think there's barely anyone in
the division he's capable of beating which might sound like a stretch to some.

izzy very late finish or pts for me, costa can't possibly win this standing so 49/46 izzy my guess

I think reyes will be too good for jan but may have to go 5 to get it done.

Some people talk about comebacks and unlikely champions like robbie lawlor and Jan went 1-4 back starting back in 2015 losing to the likes of cummins and manuwa
Jan fighting for a belt back then looked about as unlikely an event as you can get when he only looked tough and possibly a journeyman at one stage in his career.
It would be some achievement if he gets it done and it might even be fate as I don't think he had a prayer of beating Jones had they met.

derfderf · 26-09-2020 11:55pm

xtal191 wrote: »

Would love Costa to win but I'd honestly be very surprised if Adesanya doesnt win, reckon he'll get it done in the first two rounds. Hes a great fighter but I cant stand him, hes way too cringy for my liking.

Izzy trys much too hard with his rehearsed one-liners. Costa is hilarious though (on Twitter at least).

Esse85 · 27-09-2020 5:14am

Unreal power from Jan, his left kicks did some damage to the ribs of Reyes. Very heavy handed striker.

hawaii501 · 27-09-2020 5:15am

Jan brought the 'Polish Power' anyway. Them bodykicks left some mark on Reyes. Also just a broken nose and a KO in less than 2 rounds. A devastating win by Jan. He just seems to get better with every fight

Now hopefully the main event lives up to the hype also!!

MrStuffins · 27-09-2020 5:27am

That slo-mo of Jan breaking Reyes's nose.......

MrStuffins · 27-09-2020 5:35am

Good first round for Izzy. Costa's lead leg looks chewed up already

MrStuffins · 27-09-2020 5:41am

Easy work!

eagle eye · 27-09-2020 5:41am

Awesome performance from Izzy.

hawaii501 · 27-09-2020 5:41am

Whats left for Izzy now? He has cleaned out the division. What a performance!!

AbusesToilets · 27-09-2020 5:49am

What even was that from Costa? Clowning about, eating leg kicks. Just dumb

Esse85 · 27-09-2020 5:54am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

What even was that from Costa? Clowning about, eating leg kicks. Just dumb

Costa didn't look relaxed at all in the cage beforehand, I think Izzy got in his head.

Still Ill · 27-09-2020 6:04am

Izzy is phenomenal. A legit superstar. Smartest fighter in the UFC with the skills to back it up

derfderf · 27-09-2020 7:40am

What was it that Kelvin did that nobody else seems to be able to manage?
I like Kelvin, his fights are nearly always fun, but i never had him as someone that would give the champ his hardest fight.

I thought Izzy was overhyped after that fight, but he's definitely proved me wrong. Costa looked like he didn't belong there. He made it to that fight by being a wreckless bull, then decided to be ultra cautious. Whittaker was knocked out twice, but he at least gave Izzy something to think about.

yourdeadwright · 27-09-2020 9:06am

Great performance but is no one going to mention Izzy right pec?

Esse85 · 27-09-2020 9:41am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Great performance but is no one going to mention Izzy right pec?

Gyno?

27-09-2020 9:50am

Brutal from Costa. Just stood there while Adesanya chomped away at his left leg.

Esse85 · 27-09-2020 10:08am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Brutal from Costa. Just stood there while Adesanya chomped away at his left leg.

Yeah reminded me of the Romero fight.

Big reach advantage for Izzy, makes me wonder why Costa didn't attempt any takedowns if he's so much better at BJJ
Ego/ignorance probably made him want to stand in the centre and trade blows.

Cringy stuff from Izzy at post fight press conference, he always comes across almost victim like with a big chip on his shoulder.

ASOT · 27-09-2020 10:47am

Fight went exactly how i thought im afraid , very close to being Izzy/Costa 2. Big props to izzy , one if not the smartest in the game. Very well deserved win.

Absolutely buzzing for Jan, he is getting better and better. Like said in here in previous posts the power of that leg kick and the slow mo on the reyes nose break was class.

walshb · 27-09-2020 11:17am

My god, Costa put up little resistance. The shot that started it barely clipped him..

Jan win was enjoyable...

I switched off the post fight Izzy interview...weird!

Brussels Sprout · 27-09-2020 11:36am

I think that the way that Adesanya beat Whitaker has been the main reason for how his last 2 fights have gone. Both Costa and Romero's number 1 goal seemed to be not to get caught with a counter-strike. Costa wasn't as defensive as Romero was but compared to his previous fights he was unrecognisable. Costa's going to wish he had just rolled the dice and gone for it rather then that anemic performance.

yourdeadwright · 27-09-2020 2:33pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Gyno?

Could be some kind of strange pec injury but looks like Gyno,

Ush1 · 27-09-2020 8:32pm

Awful from Costa.

Fights at kicking range with a longer and more diverse striker. Where was the bulldozer who walked down Romero and Hall? Gastelum showed Izzy is vunerable when pressured but he honestly didn't need to break a sweat out there. Costa needed to close distance and throw combinations, his coaches must have been snapping.

mailburner · 27-09-2020 9:01pm

Terrible from Costa, absolutely no idea what to do

on the other hand it looks to me like Izzy is getting better every fight or did costa just make him look better?

Fair play to Jan, thought Reyes had his number but Reyes didn't look like himself in there, was he over confident? not sure what to make of his performance.
Jan probably just improved possibly.

MrStuffins · 27-09-2020 9:50pm

Jan has definitely improved. Fair play to him. He's been around the block and took his chance when it came.

With regard to Costa, the only thing I can think of is that he figured Izzy would be tough to put away and didn't trust his cardio for 5 rounds, so decided to take the cautious approach.

His lead leg will not thank him today

yourdeadwright · 28-09-2020 9:49am

Costa made the same mistake many have made before him,
They get to the big dance and all of a sudden try to change what they are and what got them there,
He is a super aggressive beast who made it there by being on the front foot and going after everyone ,

Get a title fight against Izzy and decided to wait and stand off effectively it becomes a case of trying to beat Izzy at his own game ,
Absolute crazy form him and his coaches, Sometimes you have to trust your own style , he has ended up thinking to much about what Izzy can do and not what he can do,

A long time ago but Anderson use to have the same effect on people,
Then Sonnen came around and just ignored everything Anderson was doing concentrated on his own game and came within a whisker of beating him, That you have to trust your own skill set and not get caught trying to match Izzy's

jim o doom · 28-09-2020 10:02am

Look's like Adesanya may have been indulging in some sort of steroid use given the boob he is currently growing. There are short term steroids that are out of your system in two days which would allow him to test clean. Sort of stuff you'd see in bodybuilders, not the UFC.

Esse85 · 28-09-2020 12:09pm

jim o doom wrote: »

Look's like Adesanya may have been indulging in some sort of steroid use given the boob he is currently growing. There are short term steroids that are out of your system in two days which would allow him to test clean. Sort of stuff you'd see in bodybuilders, not the UFC.

He deflected that question in one of the interviews and said along the lines of "don't be looking at my titties" he could easily of explained why his right nipple looked off.

eagle eye · 28-09-2020 12:17pm

I think this thing about Costa not going all out is a bit off.
He tried to come in plenty of times but got kicked and hit in the face. He got in once or twice but Izzy shook him off and got back to distance again.
Everytime he got close to Adesanya the speed of Izzy won the day.

US2 · 28-09-2020 12:18pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Costa made the same mistake many have made before him,
They get to the big dance and all of a sudden try to change what they are and what got them there,
He is a super aggressive beast who made it there by being on the front foot and going after everyone ,

Get a title fight against Izzy and decided to wait and stand off effectively it becomes a case of trying to beat Izzy at his own game ,
Absolute crazy form him and his coaches, Sometimes you have to trust your own style , he has ended up thinking to much about what Izzy can do and not what he can do,

A long time ago but Anderson use to have the same effect on people,
Then Sonnen came around and just ignored everything Anderson was doing concentrated on his own game and came within a whisker of beating him, That you have to trust your own skill set and not get caught trying to match Izzy's

We seen in the Gastelum fight that Izzy can be got if you keep pressure on him. Kelvin landed the big looping overhand at will in that fight, also nearly knocked him out with a headkick. For this reason I thought Costa could win but as you said, completely abandoned the style that got him to a titlle fight. Sickening

MrStuffins · 28-09-2020 12:19pm

Love how Izzy just fought Paulo Costa and we're wondering whether it was Izzy who was juicing :pac:

Esse85 · 28-09-2020 1:02pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Love how Izzy just fought Paulo Costa and we're wondering whether it was Izzy who was juicing :pac:

Based on Costas performance, he'd want a new juice supplier.

Whelo79 · 28-09-2020 1:59pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Costa made the same mistake many have made before him,
They get to the big dance and all of a sudden try to change what they are and what got them there,
He is a super aggressive beast who made it there by being on the front foot and going after everyone ,

Get a title fight against Izzy and decided to wait and stand off effectively it becomes a case of trying to beat Izzy at his own game ,
Absolute crazy form him and his coaches, Sometimes you have to trust your own style , he has ended up thinking to much about what Izzy can do and not what he can do,

A long time ago but Anderson use to have the same effect on people,
Then Sonnen came around and just ignored everything Anderson was doing concentrated on his own game and came within a whisker of beating him, That you have to trust your own skill set and not get caught trying to match Izzy's

Spot on.

xtal191 · 28-09-2020 7:18pm

Was Vettori Adesanyas most competitive fight?

US2 · 28-09-2020 7:30pm

xtal191 wrote: »

Was Vettori Adesanyas most competitive fight?

It was a split decision but I think Kelvin gave him most trouble, had him in real trouble a few times and dropped him twice.

jim o doom · 29-09-2020 9:39am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Love how Izzy just fought Paulo Costa and we're wondering whether it was Izzy who was juicing :pac:

Yeah man Izzy had clear Gynecomastia on his right pectoral - something very strongly linked to steroid use. Steroids like test suspension are out of a body in two days. However the drugs body builders take to suppress gyno stay in the body and would show up in a drug test, so he couldn't take those.

Gynecomastia can be caused by other medical conditions - and if it was, why wouldn't he just mention that during the post fight interview, instead of deflecting the question?

Mellor · 29-09-2020 10:19am

jim o doom wrote: »

Look's like Adesanya may have been indulging in some sort of steroid use given the boob he is currently growing.

It's always been a bit odd on the right if you look at photos. Even when he is really lean , the right pec muscle is different.

There are short term steroids that are out of your system in two days which would allow him to test clean. Sort of stuff you'd see in bodybuilders, not the UFC.

Why would bodybuilders go for short term steroids?
Seems pointless for bofybuilders, but exactly the thing that athletes wouldbe after.

yourdeadwright · 29-09-2020 11:29am

Mellor wrote: »

It's always been a bit odd on the right if you look at photos. Even when he is really lean , the right pec muscle is different.

Why would bodybuilders go for short term steroids?
Seems pointless for bofybuilders, but exactly the thing that athletes wouldbe after.

Some bodybuilding comps are tested and your suppose to be clean so it works well for them ,

Like a fighter they can't take the agents that help you not develop Gyno as they also show up in your system as banned substances,
Also a large amount of steroid users who are are young and stupid and have no idea of what they are doing or the side effects or how to avoid gyno

Mellor · 29-09-2020 1:11pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Some bodybuilding comps are tested and your suppose to be clean so it works well for them

Very few, “natural” body building comps are tested, no pro comps afaik.
But I imagine close to zero do out of comp testing. So it kinda of removes a main benefit of fast clearing drugs when nobody is going to walk you to piss in a cup at 7am mid cycle.

I mean I’m sure they’ll take whatever is available. I just can’t imagine natural bodybuilders having the resources if Lance Armstrong. But admittedly dint know the cost of the PEDs in question.

29-09-2020 1:15pm

This Dr. discusses the chest. Fast forward to 7:00

jim o doom · 29-09-2020 2:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This Dr. discusses the chest. Fast forward to 7:00

Very interesting that it's only affecting one side as the man in the video says, makes me think twice about whether or not it is steroid use.

jim o doom · 29-09-2020 7:42pm

Coach Greg has very different views on this, he's a bodybuilder who provides examples of unilateral gyno and in fact even had it himself and had surgery to remove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRrabrto9w&ab_channel=GregDoucette

Alf Veedersane · 29-09-2020 8:58pm

jim o doom wrote: »

Coach Greg has very different views on this, he's a bodybuilder who provides examples of unilateral gyno and in fact even had it himself and had surgery to remove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRrabrto9w&ab_channel=GregDoucette

He really needs to have subtitles on his videos

AlmightyCushion · 03-10-2020 11:29pm

jim o doom wrote: »

Coach Greg has very different views on this, he's a bodybuilder who provides examples of unilateral gyno and in fact even had it himself and had surgery to remove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRrabrto9w&ab_channel=GregDoucette

He looks and sounds like a juiced up Gilbert Gottfried.

jim o doom · 05-10-2020 8:15am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

He looks and sounds like a juiced up Gilbert Gottfried.

He really does.

UFC253 - Undefeated vs Undefeated

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