Seems like a good deal on coal....

Foggy Jew · 03-12-2014 5:02pm #1

The following prices for coal have just been posted in my local 'Buy Sell Swop' Facebook page. The prices are based on purchasing a pallet of coal & they suggest that individuals can share a pallet if they want. The merchants are in the North of Ireland, so the delivery will cost you. I think it's about €40.00 to deliver to the Dublin area. It seems like really good value.

Slack 40kg for €6
Amber King 40kg for €7
Champion Premium Coal 40kg for €8
Black Diamond Blend 40kg for €10 (semi smokeless)
Smokeless Ovoids 40kg for €12

Kristopherus · 03-12-2014 5:05pm

Where in the North?

Foggy Jew · 03-12-2014 5:07pm

Coalisland, Co Tyrone. The crowd are called Coal Warehouse & if you like and share their FB page, you get 2 bags free. (As opposed to 3 bags full... :-P )

schemingbohemia · 03-12-2014 5:36pm

Presumably only the smokeless ovoids are legal to burn in Dublin?

Foggy Jew · 03-12-2014 5:38pm

I actually never thought of the smokeless issue! I live out in the country, so I can burn whatever.

September1 · 03-12-2014 5:56pm

Anyone has past experience buying from those guys?

AlanG · 03-12-2014 6:16pm

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Presumably only the smokeless ovoids are legal to burn in Dublin?

I'm pretty sure it is still legal to burn any coal in Dublin. It's selling it that is illegal. They are going to outlaw burning it but I don't think that it has been passed yet.
http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Atmosphere/AirQuality/SmokyCoalBan/

Inspector Dhar · 03-12-2014 8:12pm

Well, I stumped up for a mixed pallet of champion & black diamond 40kg bags, 12 of one & 13 of the other - including delivery, working out @ a little over €10.00 per bag. I'll let ye know if all goes well.

racso1975 · 03-12-2014 11:52pm

Is that delivered to dublin?

Inspector Dhar · 04-12-2014 12:06am

Yes. Like I said, I committed myself to about €260 today. If it works out OK, Zi'll let ye know. If I get a ton of stones I'll be o to Joe on Livelive.

waldo · 04-12-2014 12:24am

From the link above:

Following the review of submissions received under the consultation process, several proposed enhancements and new initiatives were identified to improve the effectiveness of the existing legislation so as to consolidate air quality benefits to date, and deliver further improvements across the country into the future.
Boundary modifications and extensions to most existing smoky coal ban specified areas, in line with Census 2011 data;
The extension of the ban to all of Dublin County, including suburbs and satellite towns;
The ban will be applied in six new provincial towns (with effect from 01 May 2013) because they have populations over 15,000 people - Greystones, Letterkenny, Mullingar, Navan, Newbridge and Portlaoise; Wicklow Town is also to be included following requests from members of the public, Wicklow County Council and local representatives;
A prohibition on the burning of bituminous or smoky coal is also being introduced to complement the existing ban on the marketing, sale and distribution.

The ban on burning real coal is there for a good reason! http://www.cplfuels.ie/news/2014/03/8000-lives-saved-by-smoky-coal-ban

vicwatson · 04-12-2014 12:51am

Link to Facebook page?.?

physioman · 04-12-2014 1:14am

vicwatson wrote: »

Link to Facebook page?.?

Go to Facebook and type in "coal warehouse" and it comes up ;-)

vicwatson · 04-12-2014 9:17am

physioman wrote: »

Go to Facebook and type in "coal warehouse" and it comes up ;-)

Thanks. Not on Facebook, thought it might have been an open page as they don't seem to have a website, anyway thanks for your help.

MelachiT · 04-12-2014 10:50am

That article implies that there is already a ban on the burning of somky fuels.

'Ban on burning

A ban on the burning of smoky coal and other prohibited fuels now applies in all smoky coal ban specified areas to complement the ban on the marketing, sale and distribution.

There is a range of innovative smokeless solid fuel products, including smokeless coal products, available on the market. Smokeless solid fuel is cleaner as well as more carbon and heat-efficient.so can deliver climate benefits as well as improved air quality and human health benefits.

Under the Regulations all smokeless solid fuel products must be clearly labeled as “SMOKELESS FUEL”. This allows householders to make an informed choice concerning the products they purchase.'

Am I reading it right?

Inspector Dhar · 04-12-2014 1:02pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Thanks. Not on Facebook, thought it might have been an open page as they don't seem to have a website, anyway thanks for your help.

00447739320304

bdeal · 04-12-2014 1:36pm

This seems like a great deal. Could you please let us know how it works out for you...

JJOG · 04-12-2014 2:25pm

AlanG wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it is still legal to burn any coal in Dublin. It's selling it that is illegal. They are going to outlaw burning it but I don't think that it has been passed yet.

Since 2012 it has been illegal to burn coal in Dublin and all 25 other urban areas where the ban applies. The text below is taken from the link you supplied, note the word 'Burning' in the title to the regulations below. Dublin are quite active at policing I believe. How would it make sense anyway to ban the sale but allow people to bring coal in from the outside and burn it!?

"Regulations

These improvements have now been given effect through new consolidating regulations - the Air Pollution Act (Marketing, Sale, Distribution and Burning of Specified Fuels) Regulations 2012 (S.I. No. 326 of 2012) (pdf, 206kb). These Regulations also incorporate the existing provisions of earlier regulations."

PeteFalk78 · 04-12-2014 4:26pm

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coal-Warehouse/658154320965461

Etnies · 04-12-2014 4:58pm

Always have to laugh at stuff like this, people see no wrong in it. Yet if you mention downloading a film or music the boards police are out in force

mickzer · 04-12-2014 5:24pm

Etnies wrote: »

Always have to laugh at stuff like this, people see no wrong in it. Yet if you mention downloading a film or music the boards police are out in force

The difference is this is LEGAL!!!

vicwatson · 04-12-2014 9:41pm

What's the best smoky coal to buy here - 40kg ???

coolkidirish · 06-12-2014 1:49pm

@Inspector Dhar I am very interested in seeing how this turns out for you.

I too have been checking out their deal and intended placing an order later this week (payday) and just googled them to see if there was any feedback and came across your thread. How long did they say delivery takes?

coolkidirish · 06-12-2014 1:51pm

Also...

I messaged this seller on Donedeal to price delivery and they came back and quoted the delivery price that Coal Warehouse provide on their FaceBook and they also gave me the UK mobile number for Coal Warehouse so they must be operating over the boarder in Cavan with this seller:

Donedeal : Search "Evans Coal Warehouse Carrickaderry Clontibret"

Kristopherus · 06-12-2014 2:38pm

coolkidirish wrote: »

Also...

I messaged this seller on Donedeal to price delivery and they came back and quoted the delivery price that Coal Warehouse provide on their FaceBook and they also gave me the UK mobile number for Coal Warehouse so they must be operating over the boarder in Cavan with this seller:

Donedeal : Search "Evans Coal Warehouse Carrickaderry Clontibret"

I thought Clontibret was in Monaghan:)

Big Lar · 07-12-2014 2:03pm

I would be interested in this, but cannot find any comments on their FB either negative or positive which concerns me.
Has anybody purchased and can they confirm quality ?

coolkidirish · 07-12-2014 4:36pm

Big Lar wrote: »

I would be interested in this, but cannot find any comments on their FB either negative or positive which concerns me.
Has anybody purchased and can they confirm quality ?

Inspector Dhar bought some at the end of last week but not sure when it due for delivery

P_Cash · 07-12-2014 5:44pm

vicwatson wrote: »

What's the best smoky coal to buy here - 40kg ???

Best coal is black diamond, pinky/red front on the bag. It costs around 17-18 per 40kg bag reputable supplier, usually a good co-op.

The carbon tax has done nothing but bring cheap terrible dangerous s#1t coal to the market.

yabadabado · 08-12-2014 8:34pm

anyone buy from this crowd?Whats the verdict ?

coolkidirish · 09-12-2014 4:20pm

I placed an order with them this morning.

I went with...
5 x 40kg of Smokeless Ovoids (€12 per bag)
20 x 40kg Champion Premium Coal (€8 per bag)

When you like and share their FaceBook Page they give you 2 free bags on your pallet so it knocked off €16 for 2 of the Champion Premium Coal bags which brought the price down to €204, I asked them to round it down to €200 which they did

Delivery to Cork is €64.58 so in total it cost €264.58 which I was very happy with.

How it works is...
1. You need to ring ACE who are the couriers on 018702822 / 018702836 and pay them for the collection/delivery first.
2. You then ring the office for the Coal Warehouse (O Neill's Coal Warehouse) on 04887740911 (give it about 10 min I was told as they need to wait on an email from ACE to confirm shipping is paid) and give them your order.
3. Wait for delivery ha

It is a bit of back and forth on the phone between the courier and the coal warehouse when you place the order originally, but it is worth it at that price. Apparently delivery takes 2-3 business days, so I will hopefully have it by the weekend so will let you all know how it goes.

physioman · 09-12-2014 4:49pm

coolkidirish wrote: »

I placed an order with them this morning.

I went with...
5 x 40kg of Smokeless Ovoids (€12 per bag)
20 x 40kg Champion Premium Coal (€8 per bag)

When you like and share their FaceBook Page they give you 2 free bags on your pallet so it knocked off €16 for 2 of the Champion Premium Coal bags which brought the price down to €204, I asked them to round it down to €200 which they did

Delivery to Cork is €64.58 so in total it cost €264.58 which I was very happy with.

How it works is...
1. You need to ring ACE who are the couriers on 018702822 / 018702836 and pay them for the collection/delivery first.
2. You then ring the office for the Coal Warehouse (O Neill's Coal Warehouse) on 04887740911 (give it about 10 min I was told as they need to wait on an email from ACE to confirm shipping is paid) and give them your order.
3. Wait for delivery ha

It is a bit of back and forth on the phone between the courier and the coal warehouse when you place the order originally, but it is worth it at that price. Apparently delivery takes 2-3 business days, so I will hopefully have it by the weekend so will let you all know how it goes.

What's the price difference between what you are getting and the equivilant in cork

coolkidirish · 09-12-2014 5:29pm

physioman wrote: »

What's the price difference between what you are getting and the equivilant in cork

In my area they only sell Smokeless Coal and the largest bag would be 20KG. Depending on where you buy it it would be €15-€25 for the 20KG bag. I know Topaz even sell 12.5KG bags of Smokeless for €10.85, whereas The Coal Warehouse have 40KG bags of Smokeless for €12 (another €2.60 approx for delivery per bag).

Even if you check out the Co-op webpage you see their prices...

They charge €370.00 for 20 X 40Kg Bord Na Mona Premium Polish Coal which works out at €18.50 per bag, whereas the Coal Warehouse's version is €8 per bag (€2.60 then for delivery)

physioman · 09-12-2014 6:15pm

coolkidirish wrote: »

In my area they only sell Smokeless Coal and the largest bag would be 20KG. Depending on where you buy it it would be €15-€25 for the 20KG bag. I know Topaz even sell 12.5KG bags of Smokeless for €10.85, whereas The Coal Warehouse have 40KG bags of Smokeless for €12 (another €2.60 approx for delivery per bag).

Even if you check out the Co-op webpage you see their prices..

They charge €370.00 for 20 X 40Kg Bord Na Mona Premium Polish Coal which works out at €18.50 per bag, whereas the Coal Warehouse's version is €8 per bag (€2.60 then for delivery)

That is a lot cheaper alright. Was asking my da about them he actually bought a few bags off them 3 weeks ago cuz he lives near them. They have an outlet in clontibret, co. Monaghan.
He wrote back to me saying

"The smokeless i was buying was 17-50 for 40kgs bag, this cost 14-40 for 40kgs so happy enough. Will try a bag of nuggets next time to mix with the bags i got as they are harder to burn. They cost only 12 a bag"

coolkidirish · 09-12-2014 6:35pm

physioman wrote: »

That is a lot cheaper alright. Was asking my da about them he actually bought a few bags off them 3 weeks ago cuz he lives near them. They have an outlet in clontibret, co. Monaghan.
He wrote back to me saying

"The smokeless i was buying was 17-50 for 40kgs bag, this cost 14-40 for 40kgs so happy enough. Will try a bag of nuggets next time to mix with the bags i got as they are harder to burn. They cost only 12 a bag"

Ahhh ya, the Smokeless stuff is the most expensive. The 5 bags of Smokeless I got are for my old fella also, I got the smoky for myself as it is cheaper.

vicwatson · 09-12-2014 7:00pm

P_Cash wrote: »

Best coal is black diamond, pinky/red front on the bag. It costs around 17-18 per 40kg bag reputable supplier, usually a good co-op.

The carbon tax has done nothing but bring cheap terrible dangerous s#1t coal to the market.

Not interested in the expensive black diamond coal but the cheap bargain alert coal, I want to know the best Smoky coal that they sell.

Not interested in the environment thanks, cant afford to be interested in it, I need to heat my home for the cheapest price possible, when we all get rich again (!!) I'll consider the environment.

coolkidirish · 09-12-2014 7:05pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Not interested in the expensive black diamond coal but the cheap bargain alert coal, I want to know the best Smoky coal that they sell.

Not interested in the environment thanks, cant afford to be interested in it, I need to heat my home for the cheapest price possible, when we all get rich again (!!) I'll consider the environment.

Champion Premium Coal (€8 per bag) is their best smoky coal

P_Cash · 09-12-2014 7:18pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Not interested in the expensive black diamond coal but the cheap bargain alert coal, I want to know the best Smoky coal that they sell.

Not interested in the environment thanks, cant afford to be interested in it, I need to heat my home for the cheapest price possible, when we all get rich again (!!) I'll consider the environment.

Lol. Who mentioned the environment.

Best coal is best coal. Nothing to do with environment.

Well i guess you can't do better than 40kg of champion above for €8

What on earth it could be like for 8€ is beyond me.

Is it for open fire, I've heard of coal flying out of the fire. Cheap coal like. So be careful

Then you have the whole thing of how well does a half a bucket of coal burn, and for how long.

I get 10-13hrs from a harmony 1 stove with a 3/4 full bucket of coal in it without touching it.

I'm sure there is coal that just sits there, or needs a storm to push it along and it's burnt in 2 hrs

P_Cash · 09-12-2014 7:23pm

coolkidirish wrote: »

In my area they only sell Smokeless Coal and the largest bag would be 20KG. Depending on where you buy it it would be €15-€25 for the 20KG bag. I know Topaz even sell 12.5KG bags of Smokeless for €10.85, whereas The Coal Warehouse have 40KG bags of Smokeless for €12 (another €2.60 approx for delivery per bag).

Even if you check out the Co-op webpage you see their prices...

They charge €370.00 for 20 X 40Kg Bord Na Mona Premium Polish Coal which works out at €18.50 per bag, whereas the Coal Warehouse's version is €8 per bag (€2.60 then for delivery)

Don't compare bord na Mona polish coal with a cheap coal. Same as comparing a bridgestone Tyre for 130 versus a Tyre for 50.

I think ur just pointing out the cheap deal though. Which indeed it is bargain coal

screamer · 09-12-2014 8:34pm

a bridgestone Tyre for 130 versus a Tyre for 50.

You'd be very surprised if you knew where they were all manufactured!

Coal is hit and miss, it depends what you get, a pallet of stuff that is hard as stones to burn or flies up the chimney is a lot to waste money on to find out......

coolkidirish · 09-12-2014 8:47pm

screamer wrote: »

Coal is hit and miss, it depends what you get, a pallet of stuff that is hard as stones to burn or flies up the chimney is a lot to waste money on to find out......

I agree, for my first order I went in with 4 others to be on the safe side and test it out. We got 5 bags each and it works out at approx €50 each for 5 x 40kg bags so not too bad a loss if it isn't great stuff.

I know one fella in Tralee who used them and he got the €7 a bag stuff and said "I ordered it Wednesday and it came today not bad considering time of year we got 1 tonne of the amber flame it's small coal but warm and easy burning"

I'll give ye my verdict on the €8 a bag stuff.

Big Lar · 09-12-2014 10:02pm

Am very tempted with this, will hold off till next week till the verdicts are in

eezipc · 10-12-2014 12:42am

I'm tempted as well but I'll wait and see what the verdicts are.
Two winters ago I ordered a pallet of coal from a merchant in Connemara somewhere and it was awful. There was no heat from it at all and I just ended up with loads of ash.

Kristopherus · 10-12-2014 1:53am

eezipc wrote: »

I'm tempted as well but I'll wait and see what the verdicts are.
Two winters ago I ordered a pallet of coal from a merchant in Connemara somewhere and it was awful. There was no heat from it at all and I just ended up with loads of ash.

But then Coalisland & Clontibret are miles away from Connemara:D:D:D. And I'm pretty sure the same merchant has totally different coal this winter;).

Inspector Dhar · 10-12-2014 8:41am

I placed my order last Wednesday & my pallet was delivered on Thursday. I got 12 bags of Champion & 13 bags of Polish premium. I've been using it in my Stanley & it's 100%. Perhaps more ash than I was getting from the stuff I was paying €18.50 a bag for, but as I got this coal for an average of a tenner a bag, I'm not complaining.

coolkidirish · 10-12-2014 8:59am

Inspector Dhar wrote: »

I placed my order last Wednesday & my pallet was delivered on Thursday. I got 12 bags of Champion & 13 bags of Polish premium. I've been using it in my Stanley & it's 100%. Perhaps more ash than I was getting from the stuff I was paying €18.50 a bag for, but as I got this coal for an average of a tenner a bag, I'm not complaining.

Just out of curiosity, which county did you have it sent to? Trying to estimate when mine might come

thanks

Lanshane · 10-12-2014 9:49am

Inspector Dhar wrote: »

I placed my order last Wednesday & my pallet was delivered on Thursday. I got 12 bags of Champion & 13 bags of Polish premium. I've been using it in my Stanley & it's 100%. Perhaps more ash than I was getting from the stuff I was paying €18.50 a bag for, but as I got this coal for an average of a tenner a bag, I'm not complaining.

Just wondering what the difference between the Premium Polish and the Champion is? I use a Drewmet Polish boiler designed for buring coal and heats the house well but goes through the turf pretty quick so looking to get good coal to mix in it? What would ye recommend? Would a bag or two of their slack be worth getting I wonder, just to throw a few shovels in to dampen it a bit and let it simmer for hours? I'm not interested in smokeless, just good old dirty hot stuff!

Inspector Dhar · 10-12-2014 1:45pm

Mine was delivered to County Meath. I think the delivery was about €53-ish. As somebody posted earlier, the process is that you contact Act Pallet Delivery, pay them the delivery fee. They send an order to the Coal Warehouse in Tyrone. The Coal Warehouse then phone you, you pay them over the phone and arrange a delivery date. Sounds complicated, but it's not. As for the difference between Premium Polish and Champion?.... €2 a bag! Oh and one bag's white, the other ones yellow, and for the life of me I can't see the difference between them. Somebody told me that I should have got slack, but tbh, that sounds too complicated. I light my cooker when I get home from work. I lurry the coal onto it, I'm cosy and warm for the night. I still have glowing embers in the morning, so the kitchen is nice and toasty, off I work to go, come home and light the cooker. Repeat. :-)

deandean · 10-12-2014 6:40pm

Interesting thread!

Anyone who's taken a delivery: Do they have a forklift at the back of the truck to unload the full pallet? Or do they carry each bag up your driveway?

coolkidirish · 10-12-2014 6:59pm

deandean wrote: »

Interesting thread!

Anyone who's taken a delivery: Do they have a forklift at the back of the truck to unload the full pallet? Or do they carry each bag up your driveway?

I was told over the phone by the couriers they unload the whole pallet with a forklift for you.

marklazarcovic · 10-12-2014 7:28pm

interesting ... anyone from galway get some?

10-12-2014 7:39pm

Hhmmm.

I think this may be worth trying out. Just forked out €36 on two bags of Staffords 40kg bags.

Could be a right saving to be made

Seems like a good deal on coal....

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