Playstation Classic

The Last Bandit · 25-09-2018 3:36pm

I would imagine is more to do with legal/licensing and localisation issues, different regions may have had different contracts for the games when first issued and all those EU language localisations aren't available in the NTSC/J versions.

It would be a lot simpler for Sony to maintain as few SKU & firmware images as possible.

Retr0gamer · 25-09-2018 5:25pm

Fieldog wrote: »

I don't think they will be 50hZ in this day and age, are they that silly?

Everyone generally has 60hz capable HDTVs...

Nintendo didn't in fairness

Yeah surprised and glad Nintendo didn't. But also the developers of the NES and SNES mini hardware were European and knew our plight unlike previous VC iterations. Don't be surprised at how few ****s a US or JAP team gives about Europe. Also it looks like it's using Vita hardware and software so the easy thing to do is just port EU versions of the games.

They are still doing so on PSN with 50 Hz PS2 and PS1 games. I got Metal Slug anthology and it's 50Hz on PS4. and 50Hz causes frame pacing issues on Vita TV and PS4 so there's that to enjoy as well on a 60Hz display.

25-09-2018 5:31pm

Metal Slug Anthology on PS4 is completely unplayable. Never should've been released

Retr0gamer · 25-09-2018 6:26pm

I at least got a refund for it.

Inviere · 03-10-2018 7:32pm

TheFloW working his magic yet again

https://twitter.com/theflow0/status/1047080495312506880

BadTurtle · 03-10-2018 7:58pm

Anyone any ideas when the rest of the games might be announced for this?

Doge · 04-10-2018 1:06am

Inviere wrote: »

TheFloW working his magic yet again

https://twitter.com/theflow0/status/1047080495312506880

Managed to fix that corrupt data issue I had with my Vita after playing Kula World.

I just redownloaded VitaShell in the henkaku menu and all was resolved.

Quite handy that it's in the menu.

DaveyDave · 29-10-2018 4:35pm

Game list revealed:

Battle Arena Toshinden
Cool Boarders 2
Destruction Derby
Final Fantasy VII
Grand Theft Auto
Intelligent Qube
Jumping Flash
Metal Gear Solid
Mr Driller
Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee
Rayman
Resident Evil Director’s Cut
Revelations: Persona
Ridge Racer Type 4
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
Syphon Filter
Tekken 3
Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six
Twisted Metal
Wild Arms

Retr0gamer · 29-10-2018 5:07pm

It's quite a poor line up. There's a few good ones there but an awful lot of duds. Persona 1 was butchered in English and is missing literally half the game as it was cut. Then including Resi directors cut which is a butchered version of the original. The music is awful in it. Why they didn't include the original is baffling.

Then there's utter crap like the awful port of rainbow six, toshinden and some badly aged games like destruction derby and twisted metal.

Missed the boat on RPGS. Very bad selection other than ff7.

eddhorse · 29-10-2018 6:13pm

Its gonna be 50hz too, isnt it, what a rip.
The Japanese one has a good line up.
Gonna have to buy all 3 of them.

TechnoFreek · 29-10-2018 6:22pm

Digital controller kills it for me.

Interest on hold until analog controllers made work and I understand hackability

Inviere · 29-10-2018 6:23pm

eddhorse wrote: »

Its gonna be 50hz too, isnt it, what a rip.
The Japanese one has a good line up.
Gonna have to buy all 3 of them.

Why buy three? Is the US one not the same as the PAL one but in 60Hz?

CiDeRmAn · 29-10-2018 6:31pm

Half the list is a waste of time, plus I'd rather the first three Ridge Racer games instead of type4.
No Wipeout 2097 either.

CosmicSmash · 29-10-2018 6:36pm

No Gran Turismo, Castlevania or Wipeout games, I would have expected at least a couple of those to appear.
Klonoa, Einhander or Tony Hawk's 2 would also have been a nice addition. I think I'll be cancelling my preorder looking at that lineup.

DaveyDave · 29-10-2018 6:38pm

Surprised not to see Gran Turismo considering it's an internal developer but I suppose the likes of Toyota don't want to be in current racing games and along with the soundtracks of that and Wipeout, probably makes licencing difficult.

Armored Core, Gradius and Parasite Eve on the Japanese console among a few others.

Retr0gamer · 29-10-2018 6:55pm

Battle arena toshinden, twisted metal and destruction derby might be iconic but they aren't worth playing and hardly as iconic as wipeout

Inviere · 29-10-2018 7:00pm

Destruction Derby I don't mind, not in the same league as WipeOut mind...disappointing list, debating whether to cancel or not

Jack burton · 29-10-2018 7:04pm

Mod chip be cheaper than this

Won't be buying it PAL anyway

Here we go · 29-10-2018 7:07pm

No tomb raider did they not run there entire advertising campaign around that when it came out no crash bandicoot or wipeout I know everyone’s going to have there own game they think should be there and you can’t please everyone but I’m not a huge tomb raider fan and I still think it’s a game that goes hand in hand with PlayStation it’s like having an Xbox mini with out halo

TechnoFreek · 29-10-2018 7:15pm

I'm guessing games like wipe out and gran turismo may have fallen foul of music licensing rights

Jack burton · 29-10-2018 7:31pm

TechnoFreek wrote: »

I'm guessing games like wipe out and gran turismo may have fallen foul of music licensing rights

I already kind of assumed that for wipeout.

The list reads more like a YouTube fan list then 20 heavy hitters for the system

TechnoFreek · 29-10-2018 7:39pm

Jack burton wrote: »

I already kind of assumed that for wipeout.

The list reads more like a YouTube fan list then 20 heavy hitters for the system

Exactly.

Tomb Raider does feel an odd omission as it was the face of PlayStation for a long time.

And no music rights concerns

brianregan09 · 29-10-2018 7:50pm

Looks a poor line up if I'm honest and leaving out the dual shocks make it even poorer , The only way I'd buy this now is if we can hack it

Inviere · 29-10-2018 7:52pm

Yeah feck it, preorder cancelled there. Garbage line up. RetroArch has me more than covered in this regard, and failing that, my Vita/Vita TV says hello.

manual_man · 29-10-2018 7:59pm

No Crash Bandicoot or Spyro either. Bizarre. I can't see this selling well

29-10-2018 8:04pm

I'll ring Smyth's tomorrow and cancel mine I think, they don't let you cancel on the website at all it seems.
Very weak list of games it has to be said. Rainbow six has no business being on a collection that's supposed to showcase the systems strengths, same with battle arena toshinden, they might as well have stuck on that star wars fighter.
Destruction Derby is a waste of space on there too, the sequels were much improved, same with Twisted Metal.

I'd find it much easier to forgive the PS Classics transgressions if it wasn't €100

CiDeRmAn · 29-10-2018 8:10pm

Tomb Raider will be on the Saturn Mini, that's where it debuted after all!

CiDeRmAn · 29-10-2018 8:12pm

But, if it's hackable it'll be worth it, certainly I think we can all compile a better list of games, albeit all with different entries.
I don't mind GTA either, that was loads of fun

Inviere · 29-10-2018 8:21pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

But, if it's hackable it'll be worth it

Find a PSTV on

.68 firmware, and that's something that's worth your money. Circa €100 or so for a system that'll work with DS3 controllers, pretty much ALL the PS1 games you want, compatibility with the vast majority of Vita games, compatibility with all the PSP games, and other systems too.

The PS Classic, really isn't worth it in comparison.

TechnoFreek · 29-10-2018 8:29pm

manual_man wrote: »

No Crash Bandicoot or Spyro either. Bizarre. I can't see this selling well

I'm sure Activision and the remakes nixed that

manual_man · 29-10-2018 8:33pm

TechnoFreek wrote: »

I'm sure Activision and the remakes nixed that

Perhaps. But there's just far too many big titles missing on this classic that would be a pull for the nostalgia factor. I'd say Sony will get a grilling in the games media for this. Over-priced and underwhelming lineup

30-10-2018 12:38am

manual_man wrote: »

Perhaps. But there's just far too many big titles missing on this classic that would be a pull for the nostalgia factor. I'd say Sony will get a grilling in the games media for this. Over-priced and underwhelming lineup

They really should get a grilling over this. They're trying to compete with Nintendo's minis that in fairness to them set the bar quite high, but what Sony are offering is laughable by comparison.

The Last Bandit · 30-10-2018 9:00am

I'll be keeping mine. Ya the line up is pretty crap its not like I'd actually planned on playing it much anyway - it'll just end up on the shelf with the other mini/classics.

No doubt this will be hacked at some stage to allow you to changed the content..

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2018 9:57am

Then it'll be a question of the available storage.
NES and SNES games are only a few megabytes, with CD audio PS games could be a lot bigger.
Unless there's a way to solder in an SD card holder we'll probably be limited to swapping out titles and stripping out the streaming audio to save space.

Retr0gamer · 30-10-2018 12:45pm

True, all these PS1 games are actually rather low on disc space. The biggest game there is FF7 and despite the 3 discs of the original game, the entire game code is on all three discs, only the videos change, so it would be easy to compress down to a smaller size.

I also wonder how they handle disc swapping if it is hacked. Koudelka is notorious for being copy proof because of one simple addition, you can't save at the disc swap screen meaning you can't access next disc unless it's original.

The Last Bandit · 30-10-2018 1:01pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

True, all these PS1 games are actually rather low on disc space. The biggest game there is FF7 and despite the 3 discs of the original game, the entire game code is on all three discs, only the videos change, so it would be easy to compress down to a smaller size.

I also wonder how they handle disc swapping if it is hacked. Koudelka is notorious for being copy proof because of one simple addition, you can't save at the disc swap screen meaning you can't access next disc unless it's original.

With emulation you won't need to rely on the games save mechanism, just snapshot the entire state.

o1s1n · 30-10-2018 1:07pm

I knew FFVII was spread across three discs due to the FMV content, but I didn't realise the whole code was actually on each this. That's pretty interesting.

Apparently if you're say, on disc 2 wandering around you can swap in disc 1 and the game will continue. It'll just play the wrong FMV sequence whenever you hit one.

EltonJohn69 · 30-10-2018 2:45pm

No FPS ?
Would have loved. Bit of doom or quake 2... I assumed Medal of Honor was going to be there

Retr0gamer · 30-10-2018 3:06pm

Yeah and the third disc of FF7 was only added at the last minute as they couldn't fit the last cutscene on disc 2.

30-10-2018 5:14pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Then it'll be a question of the available storage.
NES and SNES games are only a few megabytes, with CD audio PS games could be a lot bigger.
Unless there's a way to solder in an SD card holder we'll probably be limited to swapping out titles and stripping out the streaming audio to save space.

Theres a little dongle available for the Nintendo Minis that let you expand the storage via USB, can't see why it wouldn't work with the PS Classic.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013ENUF0Y/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=yt0-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B013ENUF0Y&linkId=a4f773ce3753f86421f29912f0424b2b

Dr Bob · 31-10-2018 1:27am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Then it'll be a question of the available storage.
NES and SNES games are only a few megabytes, with CD audio PS games could be a lot bigger.
Unless there's a way to solder in an SD card holder we'll probably be limited to swapping out titles and stripping out the streaming audio to save space.

...maybe thats why the line up is full of crap..to make it easier to choose what to delete to free up space !

CiDeRmAn · 31-10-2018 1:38pm

Inviere wrote: »

Find a PSTV on .68 firmware, and that's something that's worth your money. Circa €100 or so for a system that'll work with DS3 controllers, pretty much ALL the PS1 games you want, compatibility with the vast majority of Vita games, compatibility with all the PSP games, and other systems too.

The PS Classic, really isn't worth it in comparison.

I should be good to go, my PSTV is on 3.65

Inviere · 31-10-2018 1:46pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I should be good to go, my PSTV is on 3.65

So h-encore is the exploit you want

CiDeRmAn · 31-10-2018 2:02pm

Inviere wrote: »

So h-encore is the exploit you want

WTF?

Do humans actually do this stuff??

Very confusing.

Any help with this would be gratefully received.

Remember, any assistance must be given with the expectation of an idiot for an audience.

Inviere · 31-10-2018 2:05pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

WTF?

Do humans actually do this stuff??

Very confusing.

Any help with this would be gratefully received.

Remember, any assistance must be given with the expectation of an idiot for an audience.

Oh, you're in luck so Cidey. Apparently ENSO is compatible with 3.65, meaning a permanent hack

Note that the h-encore exploit chain is not “persistent” (meaning it does not remain installed after a reboot). For devices on firmware version 3.65, this is fortunately only a temporary restriction until Ensō is installed on a later page. For devices on 3.67 or 3.68, you will, unfortunately, need to perform a small portion of these instructions (which will be indicated) after every reboot until a new persistent exploit is developed.

https://vita.hacks.guide/installing-h-encore.html

Inviere · 31-10-2018 2:07pm

As for installing the exploit, I'd say Doge is your man...he done it there quite recently. When I hacked my 3.60 Vita it was a different exploit, so not sure about how the one you need is installed.

CiDeRmAn · 31-10-2018 2:33pm

I'll try it later on, I need to find the right USB cable

brianregan09 · 01-11-2018 6:40pm

So if I was to go down the PSTV route is it hard to set up and all that once I have , I modded an old PSP years ago and got it to play snes games , but it was a bit of a ballache

Inviere · 01-11-2018 6:59pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

So if I was to go down the PSTV route is it hard to set up and all that once I have , I modded an old PSP years ago and got it to play snes games , but it was a bit of a ballache

As far as I can make out, the below is the current definitive situation re Vita/PSTV Modding.

If on firmware

.60 - you should update to official 3.60
If on firmware 3.60* - you can install Henkaku Enso (permanent cfw)
If on firmware 3.61-3.68 - you can install H-encore (non permanent)
If on firmware 3.69 - you can't do anything, yet. Exploit for 3.69 is currently private.

*if on 3.60, you can update to a specially modified 3.65 in order to gain access to higher firmware games. You can only update to this special 3.65 if on an exploited 3.60 though, it won't work if you try to install it from anything else. I haven't bothered with this as I don't feel the need to, it's really only for higher firmware Vita games.

If you're undecided about staying on 3.60 and are thinking about going to 3.68, read this.

brianregan09 · 01-11-2018 11:55pm

Checked mine there and it's on 3.68

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