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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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  • #552
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just 23%.

    I bet you the other candidates (exc MDH) wished they had got such a crap % of the votes.

    I didn't say anything about a 'crap' vote.

    I was referring to predictions that he would romp home or top the poll.

    Even a casual observer would admit that 23% is a long way short of that.


  • #553
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote:
    As is assuming that 23% in a one horse personality race shows likely future outcomes. It was a third of the winner, who could have won while sitting at home in bed.


    Not that it's terribly important but Mickey D got just under 56 percent, that's not three times Casey's vote. Also I don't think anyone thought no one other than the incumbent was going to win despite the nonsense one poster here likes to repeat.


  • #554
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    I would consider 23% a good result considering every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.The Late Late Show was a typical example of whats wrong with this country.


  • #555
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mgn wrote: »
    I would consider 23% a good result considering every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.The Late Late Show was a typical example of whats wrong with this country.

    A good chunk or that 23% votes for him exactly because 'every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.'.

    His entire support started and ended when he started to go after travellers.


  • #556
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    super_furry wrote: »
    A good chunk or that 23% votes for him exactly because 'every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.'.

    His entire support started and ended when he started to go after travellers.

    Started to go after the travellers.What is that supposed to mean.


  • #557
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mgn wrote: »
    Started to go after the travellers.What is that supposed to mean.

    When he started to 'tell the truth that everyone knew', I presume.


  • #558
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I didn't say anything about a 'crap' vote.

    I was referring to predictions that he would romp home or top the poll.

    Even a casual observer would admit that 23% is a long way short of that.

    Who predicted he would romp the poll?

    No-one I remember.

    Sure MDH was the clear favourite, and was always predicted to get more than the other 5 candidates combined.

    Your use of the word 'just' in the "just 23%" was meant to be demeaning to PC. When in fact you know that 23% of the vote in a 6 horse race, inc a runaway favourite, is pretty damn good.


  • #559
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mgn wrote: »
    Started to go after the travellers.What is that supposed to mean.

    It means that until his verbal diarrhea on the radio, he was floating around 4% support and was in the race as the second, less interesting Dragons Den celebrity.

    He then stumbled across an anti-travller rant that had him suspending his presendential bid and considering withdrawing from the race entirely, until he cottoned on to the fact that there was a portion of the electorate that would vote for him because he attacked travellers.


  • #560
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?


  • #561
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    super_furry wrote: »
    It means that until his verbal diarrhea on the radio, he was floating around 4% support and was in the race as the second, less interesting Dragons Den celebrity.

    He then stumbled across an anti-travller rant that had him suspending his presendential bid and considering withdrawing from the race entirely, until he cottoned on to the fact that there was a portion of the electorate that would vote for him because he attacked travellers.

    He considered withdrawing because he was threatened by the lovely people you seem to defend.


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  • #562
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?

    Ahhh the old 'well I agree with him so it's not wrong' angle.

    You can try to tie things up in semantic knots all you like, but the fact is, the success of Casey's entire campaign was built on his anti-traveller remarks and comments. He was on 2% in the polls until then.


  • #563
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mgn wrote: »
    He considered withdrawing because he was threatened by the lovely people you seem to defend.

    Now you're just making stuff up.


  • #564
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?

    This is the usual selective memory people have about him and only quote some of what he said.

    Here is what he said originally; 'everyone knows that travellers are basically people who camp on others land'.

    Nowhere near the truth and designed to enflame.


  • #565
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This is the usual selective memory people have about him and only quote some of what he said.

    Here is what he said originally; 'everyone knows that travellers are basically people who camp on others land'.

    Nowhere near the truth and designed to enflame.

    Thats what they do, they litter the land as well.


  • #566
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    super_furry wrote: »
    Ahhh the old 'well I agree with him so it's not wrong' angle.

    You can try to tie things up in semantic knots all you like, but the fact is, the success of Casey's entire campaign was built on his anti-traveller remarks and comments. He was on 2% in the polls until then.

    So we should have been kept ignorant of the fact that travellers are refusing houses because they arent getting stables with them?
    Do you find something wrong with people knowing the truth?


  • #567
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edgware wrote: »
    So we should have been kept ignorant of the fact that travellers are refusing houses because they arent getting stables with them?
    Do you find something wrong with people knowing the truth?

    We all know that if he had quoted the general figure for the amount of turned down social housing he would not have gotten the traction he did.

    The information was always there - nobody was hiding it.


  • #568
    recedite
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?
    All true.
    Anyway, that was then, and this is now.

    Do travellers feature in the european parliament campaign? I haven't heard any mention of them at all.


  • #569
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This is the usual selective memory people have about him and only quote some of what he said.

    Here is what he said originally; 'everyone knows that travellers are basically people who camp on others land'.

    Nowhere near the truth and designed to enflame.

    Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that point, as I think he wasn't far off the truth, but you think its at the opposite end.

    I think he also said they were Irish and not a separate race on the same interview he said about them camping on other peoples land.

    But I wouldn't say he went out to attack travellers per se.


  • #570
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that point, as I think he wasn't far off the truth, but you think its at the opposite end.

    I think he also said they were Irish and not a separate race on the same interview he said about them camping on other peoples land.

    But I wouldn't say he went out to attack travellers per se.

    The vast majority of travellers live in settled accommodation. Fact, not an 'opinion'.

    So he was wholly wrong to say it.

    There are many many more turning down social housing for a variety of reasons. But that wasn't of concern to Casey. Travellers were.


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  • #571
    is_that_so
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not that it's terribly important but Mickey D got just under 56 percent, that's not three times Casey's vote. Also I don't think anyone thought no one other than the incumbent was going to win despite the nonsense one poster here likes to repeat.
    It's not really. Game was over when he declared. Nobody much cares what came after it.


  • #572
    Plumbthedepths
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    is_that_so wrote:
    It's not really. Game was over when he declared. Nobody much cares what came after it.


    As I said it's not important just felt it necessary to correct you false claim.


  • #573
    bobbysands81
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's not really. Game was over when he declared. Nobody much cares what came after it.

    He’s officially declared.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/total-of-59-candidates-declare-for-european-parliament-elections-1.3860879?mode=amp


  • #574
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    He’s officially declared.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/total-of-59-candidates-declare-for-european-parliament-elections-1.3860879?mode=amp

    Eh, the Presidential.


  • #575
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I wasn't too surprised about Ming. He got a "real" EU issue and ran well with it.

    So tell us what your Ming has been doing, since the last election.


  • #576
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    So tell us what your Ming has been doing, since the last election.

    Well he's not mine and I don't much care what he's been or not been doing. What exactly should they be doing and what have any of them been doing? The only one I'm ever aware of is McGuinness. That's only because she may well end up President of the EU Parliament at some point soon.


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  • #577
    BarryD2
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well he's not mine and I don't much care what he's been or not been doing. What exactly should they be doing and what have any of them been doing? The only one I'm ever aware of is McGuinness. That's only because she may well end up President of the EU Parliament at some point soon.

    You seem to be partial to Ming and consider he's a shoe in. There must be a reason for that logic. You could see Casey sucking up a lot of the skeptical rural vote, if he gets the oxygen of publicity.


  • #578
    Simple_Simone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Simple_Simone


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well he's not mine and I don't much care what he's been or not been doing. What exactly should they be doing and what have any of them been doing? The only one I'm ever aware of is McGuinness. That's only because she may well end up President of the EU Parliament at some point soon.

    But surely you heard about the heroic Lynn Boylan, SF's finest MEP?

    The bould Lynn single-handedly rescued young Ibrahim Halawa from an Egyptian prison and flew him home to Dublin to a hero's welcome. The woman is a legend!


  • #579
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Simple_Simone wrote: »
    But surely you heard about the heroic Lynn Boylan, SF's finest MEP?

    The bould Lynn single-handedly rescued young Ibrahim Halawa from an Egyptian prison and flew him home to Dublin to a hero's welcome. The woman is a legend!
    The main thing is that she gets her head into the Brussels trough like the rest of them. The EU dictatorship knows how to buy people off.


  • #580
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Who predicted he would romp the poll?

    No-one I remember.

    Sure MDH was the clear favourite, and was always predicted to get more than the other 5 candidates combined.

    Your use of the word 'just' in the "just 23%" was meant to be demeaning to PC. When in fact you know that 23% of the vote in a 6 horse race, inc a runaway favourite, is pretty damn good.

    In the Boards poll, 54% said they would be giving their vote to Casey. This is not the same as predicting that he would romp home. But it does show that there is less support for Casey in the real world than on After Hours.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108386878


  • #581
    Edgware
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    In the Boards poll, 54% said they would be giving their vote to Casey. This is not the same as predicting that he would romp home. But it does show that there is less support for Casey in the real world than on After Hours.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108386878
    Are you insinuating that posters on After Hours are not in the real world?
    And there was I taking everything posted so serious


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  • #582
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Maria Walsh on the Tonight Show complaining about the lack of broadband and running as an MEP on the Fine Gael ticket.


  • #583
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    mgn wrote: »
    Maira Walsh on the Tonight Show complaining about the lack of broadband and running as an MEP on the Fine Gael ticket.

    "It's an education process"

    She's perfect for them nonsense wrapped up as solutions.


  • #584
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Casey is a one trick pony. He is not suitable as an MEP, isn't he a Eurosceptic at any rate?

    Ming stands a very good chance of re-election. It is ridiculous to suggest that he has done absolutely nothing for his constituents. We will see on when the European election results come in.

    I personally think the European Parliament is a bit of a gravy train...


  • #585
    Edgware
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Casey is a one trick pony. He is not suitable as an MEP, isn't he a Eurosceptic at any rate?

    Ming stands a very good chance of re-election. It is ridiculous to suggest that he has done absolutely nothing for his constituents. We will see on when the European election results come in.

    I personally think the European Parliament is a bit of a gravy train...

    Of course it is. A talking shop for a few attention seekers. We will see how it is when 30 to 40 percent of the seats go to right wing candidates


  • #586
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    You seem to be partial to Ming and consider he's a shoe in. There must be a reason for that logic. You could see Casey sucking up a lot of the skeptical rural vote, if he gets the oxygen of publicity.

    Nope, just looking at numbers. Ming topped the poll and a collapse in his vote in his vote would be quite surprising, particularly if that vote went to a non-politician. I never suggested he would top the poll again but I think he's likely to be returned. With Harkin not running there is an actual seat for Casey to target, especially that FF are after that one. Casey has also not run up against any party machine in an election. Using the presidential as evidence of anything is foolish.


  • #587
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    In the Boards poll, 54% said they would be giving their vote to Casey. This is not the same as predicting that he would romp home. But it does show that there is less support for Casey in the real world than on After Hours.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108386878

    Par for the course on online polls.


  • #588
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Vote No 1 for Casey and those in the south should give Dolores Cahill no 1 and Dublin Hermann Kelly no1.


  • #589
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Vote No 1 for Casey and those in the south should give Dolores Cahill no 1.

    Irexit?
    No thanks.


  • #590
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Irexit?
    No thanks.

    Well my preference would be serious reform but if not then yes. FG/FF or SF will not deliver reform.


  • #591
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Well my preference would be serious reform but if not then yes. FG/FF or SF will not deliver reform.
    Nor can or will the EU Parliament. Not sure what reform an Irexit MEP can deliver given their pretty obvious agenda.


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  • #592
    Diceicle
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Vote No 1 for Casey and those in the south should give Dolores Cahill no 1 and Dublin Hermann Kelly no1.

    Not an Irexit supporter - though I'm very much not a Europhile either - I heard Dolores Cahill debating some Senator (Byrne?) and the radio-presenter; she did very well to be fair. A very articulate person and a much better performer than Herman Kelly.


  • #593
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Diceicle wrote: »
    Not an Irexit supporter - though I'm very much not a Europhile either - I heard Dolores Cahill debating some Senator (Byrne?) and the radio-presenter; she did very well to be fair. A very articulate person and a much better performer than Herman Kelly.

    I agree about the debate with that FG nobody!

    I would also be somewhere in between on support for Europe.


  • #594
    Berserker
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    Diceicle wrote: »
    Not an Irexit supporter - though I'm very much not a Europhile either - I heard Dolores Cahill debating some Senator (Byrne?) and the radio-presenter; she did very well to be fair. A very articulate person and a much better performer than Herman Kelly.

    Articulate doth butter no parsnips with the Irish electorate. I think Casey has a decent chance of getting elected. He's the only candidate who openly criticizes certain minorities, questions the amount of refugees the country can take and he'll probably stick up for working people also.


  • #595
    is_that_so
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Articulate doth butter no parsnips with the Irish electorate. I think Casey has a decent chance of getting elected. He's the only candidate who openly criticizes certain minorities, questions the amount of refugees the country can take and he'll probably stick up for working people also.

    Will he get transfers and from whom?


  • #596
    Yurt2
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    Diceicle wrote: »
    Not an Irexit supporter - though I'm very much not a Europhile either - I heard Dolores Cahill debating some Senator (Byrne?) and the radio-presenter; she did very well to be fair. A very articulate person and a much better performer than Herman Kelly.

    I watched her speak at the Irexit conference in Limerick on YouTube. In the opening two minutes she declared herself "an expert" on South Korea, then claimed that they experienced a famine in 1977. Yeah, sure thing Dolores, "expert." If concocting a non-existant famine in what was already well on it's way to being a developed country is expertise, I think the good people of Ireland South could do without your kind offer to deploy it on our behalf in Brussels.


  • #597
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yurt! wrote: »
    I watched her speak at the Irexit conference in Limerick on YouTube. In the opening two minutes she declared herself "an expert" on South Korea, then claimed that they experienced a famine in 1977. Yeah, sure thing Dolores, "expert."
    Interviews at this stage will be fairly gentle all round and larger parties will put out well-meaning but not terribly good minions. As we get into May and closer to the election there will be a whole lot more prodding and the spoofers will fall away.


  • #598
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Will he get transfers and from whom?

    He'll get transfers from across the board given his stance on travelers and immigrants. There are plenty of voters out there who have concerns regarding the above but they've never had a political outlet to express them through. Casey gives them that.


  • #599
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Berserker wrote: »
    He'll get transfers from across the board given his stance on travelers and immigrants. There are plenty of voters out there who has concerns regarding the above but they've never had a political outlet to express them through. Casey gives them that.
    What do travellers have to do with the EU Parliament? Again this looks to be based on the result of the presidential, which is a beauty contest, and an assumption that he will replicate that. He is untested in a proper competitive election and if he's in a fight with professional politicians they are going to put him in their sights. There will also be a higher turnout and I can't see some of them wanting to opt for him.

    As I've said before this looks more like a Ganley situation where he may get a reasonable FP but fall short on that and on transfers.


  • #600
    Phoebas
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    Diceicle wrote: »
    Not an Irexit supporter - though I'm very much not a Europhile either - I heard Dolores Cahill debating some Senator (Byrne?) and the radio-presenter; she did very well to be fair. A very articulate person and a much better performer than Herman Kelly.
    I don't want to elect someone who wants to deliver a disaster in the form of Irexit to Ireland, no matter how articulate they are.

    The articulate lunatics are the worst kind of lunatics.


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  • #601
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Phoebas wrote: »
    I don't want to elect someone who wants to deliver a disaster in the form of Irexit to Ireland, no matter how articulate they are.

    The articulate lunatics are the worst kind of lunatics.

    An MEP wont deliver Irexit, that will be national Government and likely a referendum....


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