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Most miserable trad song ever.

  • 25-01-2021 5:11pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Had a bit of a discussion about this a the weekend.

    I will give me my view but throw it open first.

    “The great Gaels of Ireland are the men that God made mad,
    For all their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad.”

    ― G.K. Chesterton,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    /thread

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Feisar wrote: »
    /thread


    And it goes on and on and on........six and a half minutes!!!!

    Total misery!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "Scorn Not His Simplicity"

    Sue me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Kilkelly has to win, my children have emigrated, the turf won't burn, the crops are failing, and that just for starters.

    From Clair to here.

    The Fields of Athenry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Yeah, if you start a song sitting down at a young man's graveside you know you're on a spiral.


    Erra whisht yourself, I'm trying to get the barman's attention.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    "Scorn Not His Simplicity"

    Sue me.

    if it was a trad song you might have a point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "The old main drag" by the Pogues. None of your shiny happy people nonsense here.







  • Not really a trad song but Grace is a miserable auld tune. Lad gets married and then is dragged out to be shot.


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Layton Stocky Yoga


    Not really a trad song but Grace is a miserable auld tune. Lad gets married and then is dragged out to be shot.

    Class song.




  • Isle of hope, Isle of tears another one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    The green fields of France.

    I went to see Eric Bogle he wroth the green fields of France and it was a great night despite most of his stuff being on the miserable side. The same with the pogues a great night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Not really a trad song but Grace is a miserable auld tune. Lad gets married and then is dragged out to be shot.

    Hate that ****ing song quickly followed by that abomination Caledonia, invariably sung by some squaking out of tune pissed woman...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    A lot of the stuff out of Sharon’s box don’t be great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    What's the one about a lad on a nixer, who fell into a cement mixer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    mariaalice wrote: »
    The green fields of France.

    I went to see Eric Bogle he wroth the green fields of France and it was a great night despite most of his stuff being on the miserable side. The same with the pogues a great night.

    Is that really a trad song? More folk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Hate that ****ing song quickly followed by that abomination Caledonia, invariably sung by some squaking out of tune pissed woman...

    As lamenting songs about Scotland go, it pales in significance to the braw Loch Lomond.
    Love how that builds to a crescendo

    "home ... home ... we're going home"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    mariaalice wrote: »
    The green fields of France.

    I went to see Eric Bogle he wroth the green fields of France and it was a great night despite most of his stuff being on the miserable side.

    Was that in Whelan’s, M? Thought his ‘Do You Know Any Dylan’ was a good laugh.

    But, yeah, when you’ve got ‘Green Fields of France’ with ‘And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda’ it’s always going to lean towards the sad side

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Was that in Whelan’s, M? Thought his ‘Do You Know Any Dylan’ was a good laugh.

    But, yeah, when you’ve got ‘Green Fields of France’ with ‘And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda’ it’s always going to lean towards the sad side

    Yeah in Whelans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Any trad song without actual singing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    biko wrote: »
    Any trad song without actual singing.

    Sean nós?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Cradle of Filth - Coffin Fodder

    Overplayed, sentimental, diddly-eye claptrap.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    razorblunt wrote: »
    As lamenting songs about Scotland go, it pales in significance to the braw Loch Lomond.
    Love how that builds to a crescendo

    "home ... home ... we're going home"

    Runrig live version ?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Skibbereen for the win . I sat in the Famine plot there and cried as the words ran through my head . “. Name checked in “ Jockser Goes to Stuggart” “ and the last that he was seen was arm in arm with Jackie Charleton singing “ Revenge for Skibbereen.”

    Oh father dear, I oft-times hear you speak of Erin's isle
    Her lofty hills, her valleys green, her mountains rude and wild
    They say she is a lovely land wherein a saint might dwell
    So why did you abandon her, the reason to me tell

    Oh son, I loved my native land with energy and pride
    Till a blight came o'er the praties; my sheep, my cattle died
    My rent and taxes went unpaid, I could not them redeem
    And that's the cruel reason why I left old Skibbereen

    Oh well do I remember that bleak December day
    The landlord and the sheriff came to take us all away
    They set my roof on fire with their cursed English spleen
    I heaved a sigh and bade goodbye to dear old Skibbereen

    Your mother too, God rest her soul, fell on the stony ground
    She fainted in her anguish seeing desolation 'round
    She never rose but passed away from life to immortal dream
    She found a quiet grave, me boy, in dear old Skibbereen

    And you were only two years old and feeble was your frame
    I could not leave you with my friends for you bore your father's name
    I wrapped you in my cóta mór in the dead of night unseen
    I heaved a sigh and bade goodbye to dear old Skibbereen

    Oh father dear, the day will come when in answer to the call
    All Irish men of freedom stern will rally one and all
    I'll be the man to lead the band beneath the flag of green
    And loud and clear we'll raise the cheer, Revenge for Skibbereen!


  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    razorblunt wrote: »
    As lamenting songs about Scotland go, it pales in significance to the braw Loch Lomond.
    Love how that builds to a crescendo

    "home ... home ... we're going home"

    If this is the Runrig version of Loch Lomond then what they are singing is

    "Ho mo leannan bhoidheach"

    which according to Google means oh my beautiful sweetheart.

    around 3 minutes in on this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbb9aRSQpsY


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    the band plays waltzing matilda


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    It's a beautiful piece of music, but I always find the ending of Arthur McBride to be terribly sad.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Maniac 2000


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Runrig live version ?

    Yeah I think that’s the one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Weela Weela Walya is fair miserable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    bob mcbob wrote: »
    If this is the Runrig version of Loch Lomond then what they are singing is

    "Ho mo leannan bhoidheach"

    which according to Google means oh my beautiful sweetheart.

    around 3 minutes in on this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbb9aRSQpsY

    I based it off every Scottish wedding / Xmas party I’ve been to!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Even when Irish people are happy(ish) they still sing miserably sad songs like The Fields of Athenry.
    They worst ‘trad’ song of all imo is The Streets of New York as recorded by the Wolfe Tones, (or maybe it was the Provisional Wolfe Tones).

    Let’s face it, Irish people prefer miserable songs, (and miserable books and miserable films as well).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Not really a trad song but Grace is a miserable auld tune. Lad gets married and then is dragged out to be shot.

    He got off light. Wife specialised in howling at wakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Was at a friends house who has one of those Alexa Echo devices

    Friend was explaining how Alexa would play just about any genre of music.

    So for the laugh I asked Alexa to play some happy trad music

    Alexa replied " I don't know any happy trad music"

    True story...


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The Croppy Boy.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Well, given our history of centuries of colonial oppression, wars, “the” famine (in reality there were many but the 1845-49 one was the most documented), grinding poverty, misery, hunger, disease....etc etc.

    ...it’s sorta not surprising that all our traditional music lyrics are sad, sorrowful ones. The Ireland of today doesn’t really lend itself to such lyrics, except for homelessness which, apart from Covid-19 is the biggest challenge we face.

    I have to admit that I was never the biggest fan of trad music - sure, a live session down the pub with a good band and the drink flowing (in my drinking days) can be great fun, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to listen to it. My eldest sister plays the bodran and accordion with an expat Irish trad group in Canada.

    My late mother knew quite a few trad ballads - and sang a few of them beautifully - Carrickfergus and The Spinning Wheel come to mind.:o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Christy Moore playing... Ride On..


  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think there’s a bit of misery in all of us but Grace is a gem of a song, about patriotism and love for fellow countrymen and the love of a young bride for her hero of a husband.

    It’s hardly the fault of anyone on the isle that their end was miserable, a despicable death by firing squad at the order of a foreign oppressor for a young man answering a nations call.

    How times have changed and how easy it is to dismiss the sadness of generations past and the music their and YOUR history inspired. Look past the misery of your own pointless existences lads, if that’s all you see in some of the other songs you’re knocking there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Had a bit of a discussion about this a the weekend.

    I will give me my view but throw it open first.

    “The great Gaels of Ireland are the men that God made mad,
    For all their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad.”

    ― G.K. Chesterton,


    All trad music is either miserable, a random structureless din or a celebration of alcoholism.


    One depressing one that springs to mind for me is "School days over" by Luke Kelly. I can just imagine a kid having to get out of his warm bed before dawn and go to work down a flithy, dark, dangerous coal mine. Talk about leaving school only for that to be your bright and happy future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,040 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Springhill Mining Disaster has to be up there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    JayZeus wrote: »
    I think there’s a bit of misery in all of us but Grace is a gem of a song, about patriotism and love for fellow countrymen and the love of a young bride for her hero of a husband.

    It’s hardly the fault of anyone on the isle that their end was miserable, a despicable death by firing squad at the order of a foreign oppressor for a young man answering a nations call.

    How times have changed and how easy it is to dismiss the sadness of generations past and the music their and YOUR history inspired. Look past the misery of your own pointless existences lads, if that’s all you see in some of the other songs you’re knocking there.

    We are not knocking them one of my sisters married into a family of singers and trad musicians and we use to have great sessions. This is after hours.

    Anyway just thought of this.

    The sun is burning a cheery song about nuclear annihilation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Why are people conflating folk songs with trad? Just because The Dubliners sang it doesn't make it a trad song. Luke kelly was heavily influenced by Ewan MacColl (father of Kirsty) and songs like "The Spinghill Mine Disaster" and "Lifeboat Mona" come from the folk tradition not trad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Why are people conflating folk songs with trad? Just because The Dubliners sang it doesn't make it a trad song. Luke kelly was heavily influenced by Ewan MacColl (father of Kirsty) and songs like "The Spinghill Mine Disaster" and "Lifeboat Mona" come from the folk tradition not trad.

    All alright, let's expand it and say in the trad ballad folk tradition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,960 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Cerveza wrote: »
    A lot of the stuff out of Sharon’s box don’t be great.

    Sharon's box was never great the tune was always a bit dry

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    They Never Came Home by Christy Moore.

    https://youtu.be/wcizhnIU2lI


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭thehairygrape


    gozunda wrote: »
    Was at a friends house who has one of those Alexa Echo devices

    Friend was explaining how Alexa would play just about any genre of music.

    So for the laugh I asked Alexa to play some happy trad music

    Alexa replied " I don't know any happy trad music"

    True story...

    😄😄. If that’s not true it deserves to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    More dark than sad

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Feisar wrote: »
    /thread


    Close the thread, give this man the $10,000


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭MIRMIR82


    Well, i for one love all the misery of trad. :D And Irish folk music is excellent! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    tumblr_nw8nhaVi0m1rprnp2o1_500.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Gun_Slinger


    The Unquiet Grave - Luke Kelly



    On a lighter note - Traditional Irish Folk Song - Denis Leary :D



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