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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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    #1292
    tnegun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Did they all end up with the same station?


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    #1293
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    sy_flembeck wrote: »
    By any chance was this a small red 132WW car? I had an issue on the Dublin Road yesterday opposite Lidl (within my 2km!). Have it on camera but was in two minds whether to post it here or report it. Either way this guy was a b311end. Didn't really want to take up AGS time atm.

    A white 10WW, sparkly clean, a young couple out for a spin apparently as they hadn't went anywhere. Ballsy enough to face off in front of two Gardai (the driver), and the passenger was confident enough to tell the Garda the (non existent) law. I miss the days when Gardai had no time for such a lack of manners, maybe I'm getting old but a modicum of respect for the Gardai was how I was raised, even when I disagree with them. Even sadder that they just accepted it.


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    #1294
    Dr_Colossus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    CramCycle wrote: »
    A white 10WW, sparkly clean, a young couple out for a spin apparently as they hadn't went anywhere. Ballsy enough to face off in front of two Gardai (the driver), and the passenger was confident enough to tell the Garda the (non existent) law. I miss the days when Gardai had no time for such a lack of manners, maybe I'm getting old but a modicum of respect for the Gardai was how I was raised, even when I disagree with them. Even sadder that they just accepted it.

    Inaction such as that festers a lack of respect.

    Ireland is a land of entitlements but with entitlement comes responsiblity but Ireland only wants it one way. People take no responsiblity for anything anymore, there's someone or something else always to blame for one's one actions but yet everyone has a heightened sense of their own importance.


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    #1295
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Another motorist gets themselves punished for driving in a selfish and bullying manner...

    https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1252604522838593536?s=19


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    #1296
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'd be curious as to whether the garda would just say 'yeah i forgot to tell you, but he got done for it' or would the garda have to provide details or proof that it happened?

    in short, might a garda be able to falsely tell you it was actioned, so you leave it rest?


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    #1297
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Jaysus Seth :eek:, that was a bad one, I just can't imagine what was going through the head of that "motorist", driving around not just you but another car, swapping lanes on a roundabout and barging through? The mind really does boggle.

    Glad to hear some sort of action happened.


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    #1298
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    MojoMaker wrote: »
    Jaysus Seth :eek:,
    Sorry, should have said that it weren't me there.
    Thankfully I don't have a Cork accent.


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    #1299
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,741 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i'd be curious as to whether the garda would just say 'yeah i forgot to tell you, but he got done for it' or would the garda have to provide details or proof that it happened?

    in short, might a garda be able to falsely tell you it was actioned, so you leave it rest?
    I've had those doubts about some of the responses I got from the Gardai.


    In the UK, the complainant gets a written response on the outcome, which is fairly sensible.


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    #1300
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I've had those doubts about some of the responses I got from the Gardai.


    In the UK, the complainant gets a written response on the outcome, which is fairly sensible.

    Possibly. Reporting close passes to Traffic Watch, they seem shocked that I am looking for a Pulse number as reference.

    Gardai also end up ringing back asking me if I'd like to make a statement, or will they "ring the driver and let them know that that type of behaviour isn't on, and leave it at that"...


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    #1301
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Possibly. Reporting close passes to Traffic Watch, they seem shocked that I am looking for a Pulse number as reference.

    Gardai also end up ringing back asking me if I'd like to make a statement, or will they "ring the driver and let them know that that type of behaviour isn't on, and leave it at that"...
    Even making a statement isn't guaranteed to go anywhere. The local Inspector (IIRC) will review the statement and any footage and then make a decision on whether it should be taken further. :rolleyes:


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    #1302
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Had a DB beep me this morning and then go to pull in on me at a stop. Frantically pointing at the cycle lane, which I moved into later when it was clear, he went by me giving the middle finger. Reported on twitter and I will be damned, DBnews asked for details to send onto the line manager for review. Probably won't do anything but it was nice to get a response and if all he gets is a warning not to be a d1ck it will be the most proactive response from DB ever.


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    #1303
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Had a DB beep me this morning and then go to pull in on me at a stop. Frantically pointing at the cycle lane, which I moved into later when it was clear, he went by me giving the middle finger. Reported on twitter and I will be damned, DBnews asked for details to send onto the line manager for review. Probably won't do anything but it was nice to get a response and if all he gets is a warning not to be a d1ck it will be the most proactive response from DB ever.
    Just seen your tweets - I'd report it to AGS trather than let it disappear into the information void that is a Dublin Bus investigation.


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    #1304
    Duckjob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Another motorist gets themselves punished for driving in a selfish and bullying manner...

    https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1252604522838593536?s=19

    The cynic in me wonders if it was the general f**kology of undertaking another car on the left into a roundabout and barging through to the right that landed him with the points and fine rather than the obvious (to us) endangerment of a cyclist.

    In other words, if the other car hadn't been there and it was just him and a bike I'm not sure there would have been any result...


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    #1305
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Just seen your tweets - I'd report it to AGS trather than let it disappear into the information void that is a Dublin Bus investigation.

    In the current climate, not sure there is a point. I don't have the energy or want to go into a station. My experience with the Audi was enough to convince me that where I can avoid talking to people at the minute, more the better for my mental health. I have enough going on without getting annoyed at someone for saying, 'its your word against theirs, lets leave it there'.


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    #1306
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,741 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »
    Possibly. Reporting close passes to Traffic Watch, they seem shocked that I am looking for a Pulse number as reference.

    Gardai also end up ringing back asking me if I'd like to make a statement, or will they "ring the driver and let them know that that type of behaviour isn't on, and leave it at that"...
    Yeah, I've had them suggest that informal approach too. I guess they are more used to dealing with 'novice' TrafficWatch users rather than 'frequent flyers' who are making regular reports.


    You'd have to wonder how rigorous they are about following up on the informal ones, if no-one is tracking these.


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    #1307
    tnegun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Have noticed a near return to normal service regarding close passes in the last few days on my local loop, very disappointing as it's not like these drivers have been held up anywhere!


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    #1308
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Yeah, I've had them suggest that informal approach too. I guess they are more used to dealing with 'novice' TrafficWatch users rather than 'frequent flyers' who are making regular reports.


    You'd have to wonder how rigorous they are about following up on the informal ones, if no-one is tracking these.

    If it’s on PULSE then it isn’t closed until reviewed by the superintendent in the district. There is a list of ways incidents can be closed off, and informal caution as opposed to say adult caution scheme, charge, summons etc, is one of them.


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    #1309
    sy_flembeck
    Registered Users Posts: 888 ✭✭✭sy_flembeck


    tnegun wrote: »
    Have noticed a near return to normal service regarding close passes in the last few days on my local loop, very disappointing as it's not like these drivers have been held up anywhere!

    Except for perhaps an hour to get into Tesco which, ironically, people seem able to do with no fuss whatsoever


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    #1310
    [Deleted User]
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    sy_flembeck wrote: »
    Except for perhaps an hour to get into Tesco which, ironically, people seem able to do with no fuss whatsoever

    ... and two meters apart ;)


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    #1311
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ... and two meters apart ;)

    Actually, alot of them aren't and really don't grasp what 2 meters is.


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    #1312
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,741 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    RobbieMD wrote: »
    If it’s on PULSE then it isn’t closed until reviewed by the superintendent in the district. There is a list of ways incidents can be closed off, and informal caution as opposed to say adult caution scheme, charge, summons etc, is one of them.

    But still though, what's to stop a lazy cop noting 'informal caution' and simply not bothering their ass to speak to the driver.

    Wouldn't it be amazing to get some data analysis of the close out rates by type and by station, to see what actually happens on the ground.


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    #1313
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    But still though, what's to stop a lazy cop noting 'informal caution' and simply not bothering their ass to speak to the driver.

    Wouldn't it be amazing to get some data analysis of the close out rates by type and by station, to see what actually happens on the ground.

    Yeah I suppose they could lie and say they administered a caution and get the incident closed off on PULSE, but then they would have to lie on PULSE and that stays there for good. It’d be far easier to just phone the driver up and have a chat knowing it’s not going near a court and no written statement needs to be taken.

    There was a PULSE update a few years ago so that data would be available through the Garda analysis unit. Every incident now requires a superintendent to close off every incident. Victims are informed of this by way of an automatic letter. I suppose with traffic related incidents, if you report dangerous driving, the victim is seen as the public at large and not you as an individual, as opposed to say a burglary or assault, where you are clearly the victim.

    Personally I don’t agree with an informal caution and if a garda offered me one I wouldn’t accept it. Either a case can stand on its own merits and go to court or not. The difficulty is a lot of people are not willing to take the time to give a statement, if they do give one, then it’s inevitably a summons for traffic stuff, which is 6 months down the road. By that stage they’re generally not as annoyed as they were at the time of reporting it and often don’t go to court as a witness and the case is struck out. Even if there’s a conviction, then it’s generally a fine, and only around 40% of those are paid. Im sure we all saw the results of that case in Ennis Court recently.


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    #1314
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Had a pair of mad yokes lose the plot with me a while ago presumably because I was not using the cycle lane (I was keeping a social distance from pedestrians and a cyclist in the lane!).

    The driver beeped at me as she passed which the camera didn't seem to pick up.
    The passenger squaked out the window at me and opened her door slightly just as they passed.
    I caught up with them at the lights and figured I'd ask the driver WTF. However, the passenger hopped out of the car just as the lights went green.
    I don't think I got to say anything to them and moved off ahead of them.
    As they passed me the second time, the passenger can eb seen opening her door towards me again.

    https://streamable.com/nnye4a


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    #1315
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Fecking Limerick people! :D

    What were they trying to do with the door, clean you out? Hope you told them they were on camera.


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    #1316
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mc Love wrote: »
    Hope you told them they were on camera.
    I dind't get the chance.
    As I said, I don't think I even got the usual abusive reference in.


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    #1317
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    I love how the passenger jumped out of the car


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    #1318
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,741 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Mc Love wrote: »
    Fecking Limerick people! :D

    What were they trying to do with the door, clean you out? Hope you told them they were on camera.

    Looks like an attempted assault at the end.


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    #1319
    padjocollins
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭padjocollins


    you were going at a fair clip there . i think you might have pulled in a bit more if you heard traffic coming up behind you. that said , traffic was very light plenty of room for them to overtake you. I wish people were more understanding of each other. bit more give and take would make life a lot easier for everybody.


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    #1320
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,741 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    padjocollins wrote: »
    you were going at a fair clip there . i think you might have pulled in a bit more if you heard traffic coming up behind you. that said , traffic was very light plenty of room for them to overtake you. I wish people were more understanding of each other. bit more give and take would make life a lot easier for everybody.

    Do you move over in busy city traffic Padjo when a faster cyclist comes up behind you? You know, give and take and all that...


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    #1321
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,612 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I don't think I got to say anything to them and moved off ahead of them.
    As they passed me the second time, the passenger can eb seen opening her door towards me again.
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Looks like an attempted assault at the end.
    Yep, if she shouted it is assault whether contact is made or not and very nicely gets out of the car to make easier to identify. This I would be down to the station.
    padjocollins wrote: »
    you were going at a fair clip there . i think you might have pulled in a bit more if you heard traffic coming up behind you. that said , traffic was very light plenty of room for them to overtake you. I wish people were more understanding of each other. bit more give and take would make life a lot easier for everybody.
    Have you missed whats going on at the minute? There was f all traffic, easy to overtake, there was simply no need for that behaviour and Seths position was perfect and socially responsible.


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