How are ye dealing with the compulsory homosexuality in Ireland?

splinter65 wrote: »

As soon as the economic affects of the no deal Brexit start to bite all these socialist pet projects ( promoting the LGBTQ+ agenda morning noon and night etc)will be dumped like the rubbish they are and reality will take over.

You're god damn right. The organization I work for really pushed it this year. And you know what? It seemed to have the opposite of the desired effect. I noticed less of the rainbow lanyards about. We were told that we could use a pride signature on emails. Out of hundreds of people, I came across two employees using it. The lgbt movement has been hijacked by corporate interests and will be tossed when there is no use for it anymore.

paw patrol wrote: »

if I was trying to climb aboard a bandwagon I would have thought it was glorious effort - it had everything a well worked argument with evidence provided with links to news article and a link back to previous boards post from a while back.
I don't know what more you could ask for in the context of an internet forum post... please tell.

What is really going on is that I suspect you just don't agree (which is fine) but in the absence of a rebuttal are just throwing out lazy tropes.

like "victimhood" wtf ? ****in hell that was some leap.

Careful now. You're well on the road to being accused of confirmation bias by citing evidence to back up your POV. It's the ultimate lazy put-down of cogent, researched argument online. But that's a story for another day.

You're not wrong, by the way. I've experienced similar corporate agenda pushing here in Ireland. It makes me uncomfortable as I don't believe a workplace is a suitable environment for any social, political, religious or other activity that can result in judgement around participation or non-participation.

I also suspect that there's a huge degree of bandwagoning and PR at play as organisations strive to be seen to support flavour of the month. Where were they 10, 15 and 20 years ago when the struggle for acceptance, respect, tolerance and non-discrimination actually needed support?

In fairness, there's a legitimate point to be made that incessant and cringeworthy virtue signalling by corporations ("Hey, look at us! We're so trendy, buy our stuff!") and organisations does turn people off, big time. In other words, I firmly believe that causes, movements and factions become "uncool" as a direct result of being overly adopted and pushed by corporations who don't give a f*ck about anything except PR.

I feel like the Rainbow Garda Car was a fairly good example. The Gardaí have been embroiled in scandal after scandal in recent years, several of which have been extremely damaging to Irish democracy the the rule of law. For an organisation which is at the moment in the public's "bad books" to try and hop on a good PR bandwagon with a move like that just comes across as cringe - it's akin to a celebrity who's embroiled in some kind of scandal (racist comments caught on camera, drink driving charges, domestic abuse, whatever) making a very public, very media-spun donation to a charity or something along those lines - if there's a better way of screaming "I may be regarded as a scumbag at the moment, but I'm trendy and progressive just like you!" this would be it. Banks, AGS, blood sucking corporations, etc - all of these are currently in society's bad books in general and the left's in particular, such that their very forced publicising of their participation in "causes" of any kind comes across as a totally desperate attempt to deflect attention away from whatever issue they're rightly being hammered for in general public discourse.

In my view, this then has an immediate knock on effect of "uncooling" whatever cause these organisations have adopted - in this case, "ugh, Pride has just become another vehicle for w@nkers to tell us how great they are while destroying the environment (in the case of corporations like Starbucks) the economy (in the case of banks) and society's faith in the justice system (in the case of AGS)".

Now, maybe some of these organisations are genuinely getting involved just for a bit of a laugh and because they support the causes they're adopting, but that doesn't actually matter - what matters is how it's perceived. And how it's perceived at least among people I know - even gay people who have been huge supporters of Pride etc in the past - is as nothing more than a cringeworthy exercise in PR spin, attempting to distract everyone momentarily from whatever reason the public has been angry at these entities in recent years.

Tl;dr, I hypothesise that when a formerly trendy 'cause' or 'movement' is adopted by an entity which is held in widespread disregard by the target demographic, this causes the movement itself to lose its 'mojo' as it comes to be regarded as a mere dumping ground for corporate marketing.

riffmongous wrote: »

Pmsl reading some of the stuff here. How on earth do people manage to get through life, if they think they are being oppressed by omnipresent lgbt coverage?? How do ye deal with things like Trump, Brexit or the Premier League?

Some people just don’t notice the total fake ness and hypocrisy of the corporate/political/entertainment world.
Then some of us are acutely conscious that entities of these worlds are suddenly shouting at us “Hey Ireland! We see you have become very progressive and liberal! So now you have to buy our product/vote for me/like my new album in order to prove it! C’mon! Get your debit card out to prove how tolerant you are!”.

riffmongous wrote: »

https://twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1167058894474100737


So much going on there.. Why is it always Poland these bizarre stories come from? When did Marxist-Leninism become Marxist Lesbianism? when did Thatcherite Leo become a Marxist? Why are these right wing nutjobs always obsessed with homosexuality?

Possibly something to do with the fact that Poland as a nation has been persistently attacked and affronted in consequence of it's being 'God's Playground' ie stuck between the Germans and the Russians. It could be considered unfortunate.

It leads to an exquisite sense of nationhood, when you existed only a language, actually absent from the map. It crystallises the mind much more immediately than being neutral in an 'Emergency'. Perhaps if the worst flag the Poles had ever seen coming over the horizon was a rainbow flag... ah well.

Historically, homosexuals have tended not to have much to contribute to the preservation or maintenance of that will to survive, either by deed or lifestyle. Unless there are things about Josef Pilsudski, or Witold Pilecki that are not more generally known.

They go too far in the other direction, but it is a matter of fact that Poland is not yet pussified and generally obsessed with the gay agenda in the way that people here have accepted.

batgoat wrote: »

This thread managed to bring out some particularly deluded views mixed with homophobia. Some posters seem to be rather intimidated by kissing, flags or hand holding.. Must be a hard life for them.

Is it “deluded”to not be a fan of over enthusiastic public displays of affection? You do realize that the vast majority of people manage to carry on with their lives without ever having to be intimate in public with their partner?
And that the vast majority of the public don’t appreciate public displays of intimacy?

batgoat wrote: »

Are the quotes because you're doubting they're people or what?

Around 50% of characters involved in current storylines in the UK soaps are gay. Some of them didn’t used to be gay but they are now. Is that representative of the real world ?

Handbags at dawn, dearie?

batgoat wrote: »

It clearly is natural and it hasn't hindered procreation in the slightest. Now get over yourself.



I don't follow soap operas but I believe they also have an inordinate amount of affairs and murders as well. Is that representative? I'm also not even sure if you've made up that stat tbh since you guys seem to find everything so overbearing.

It's funny that you seemed to ignore that I was asking a poster if he views gay people as subhuman which he does apparently. But too many gay soap opera characters is your concern...

The crime and the affairs would be hugely more representative and have been a staple of soaps all over the world for 50 years. The current fashion in the world of entertainment for pretending that every other couple is same sex (when they’re not) is an example of bandwagon jumping by the entertainment industry which is on the brink of suffering a backlash because of over saturation.
Most people can see that it’s a completely cynical ploy by the industry to increase revenue.
I don’t find anything overbearing nor am I concerned intimidated or overwhelmed by homosexuality despite your obvious enthusiasm to have that affect on people.
Nobody cares batgoat anymore what or who you love. You’ll just have to get used to that and move on.